>tfw religion is looking more and more viable as your existential crisis intensifies How can anyone turn to atheism for answers? Why are they all so full of themselves in thinking that they know it all? I just don't get it.

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Anonymous Thu Feb 6 02:53:50 2014 No.4540850 [DELETED]

>tfw religion is looking more and more viable as your existential crisis intensifies

How can anyone turn to atheism for answers? Why are they all so full of themselves in thinking that they know it all? I just don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 02:54:50 2014 No.4540851 >>4540850 You are clearly too lazy to look up a reason or two.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 02:54:50 2014 No.4540853 Don't worry about it, just find a religion that does something for you in that it helps you grow as a person and live a more fulfilling life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 02:56:50 2014 No.4540854 read ur heidegger, u inauthentic theyperson

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Anonymous Thu Feb 6 02:58:50 2014 No.4540860

the only people who turn to atheist are dissilusioned teens and older atheists are just people who never grew out of that phase that everyone goes through when they find out the world has just as much ragged edges as it does beautiful things

even beyond the ethical teachings and values that hedonistic fucktards are trying to circumvent because they also bring along responsibility and self restraint, there are rational arguments for theism

see the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otrqzITuSqE

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Thu Feb 6 02:59:50 2014 No.4540861 >>4540850 They aren't "full of themselves in thinking that they know it all" The older child who finds out about the Santa lie, gets bummed out for a time but then gets over it. He now knows. That's it. There's already a thread about this stuff.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 02:59:50 2014 No.4540863

>>4540850
and yes you are right, atheism does not give answers, it doesn't give hope, it gives nothing but cynicism

the people who defend atheism because "muh science" are too thick headed to understand that agency doesn't compete with mechanism and law

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:00:50 2014 No.4540866 >>4540854 no read spinoza, differencing wenature

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:01:51 2014 No.4540869 >>4540850 Pot and kettle, OP. Pot and kettle.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:04:50 2014 No.4540875 >>4540850 faggots "turn" to atheism but many of us just stop caring the whole argument is moot

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:10:50 2014 No.4540883 is /lit/ hot for taoism or some other east asian religion?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:12:50 2014 No.4540885 you dont turn to atheism for answers to your petty problems, you turn to it for reality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:12:50 2014 No.4540887 File: 613 KB, 200x200, 1391266443527.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4540885 >OP has existential crisis >turning to atheism for "reality"

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:15:50 2014 No.4540888

Yeah m8, here's the solution to your existential crisis: God loves you, He gave you meaning, you don't have to be afraid of death becuz that's when the good part starts. It's not like that's the easy, cheating answer, right guys? Becuz we are Contrarians4lyf

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:20:50 2014 No.4540895 >>4540866 toppest of keks and the highest of lels

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:21:50 2014 No.4540897 Agnosticism is the objectively best option for people who aren't looking for a higher being bullshit (that may or may not exist).

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:21:50 2014 No.4540898

>>4540883
in order of prevelance, as far as i can tell in the last 6-8 months:

- existential nihilism
- absurdism
- agnosticism/skepticism
- stirner
- heidegger
- various political ideologies -- communism, ancap, libertarian, anarchism, nazi, fascism, reactionary, etc

this is for the regulars. every single newfag here is having an existential crisis for the first time and they were probably kicked out of other boards

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:23:50 2014 No.4540902 >>4540898 i forgot epicurianism and stoicism. those should go nearly as high as stirner if not higher

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:23:50 2014 No.4540903 >>4540887 just saying bro. you shouldn't deceive yourself about the value of your existential crisis. its a romantic break from reality. nothing more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:34:50 2014 No.4540921 if you are not a secular humanist, there's something wrong with you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:37:50 2014 No.4540925 literally suck a dick

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:41:50 2014 No.4540930 >>4540850 you dickface most of them just dont care there are people who approach life with the idea that they believe what they perceive and don't believe anything about what they don't. they are not opposed to religion they just don't have any.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:45:50 2014 No.4540937 Because atheism is not a belief system you retard. Get into philosophy like everyone else.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:47:51 2014 No.4540939

>>4540921

http://ptw.uchicago.edu/Melamed08.pdf

http://cw.routledge.com/textbooks/alevelphilosophy/data/A2/Nietzsche/NietzscheHerdMorality.pdf

Secular humanists are atheists who don't have the balls to accept reality and fall into the same delusions as religious people.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:49:50 2014 No.4540943

>>4540850
>>tfw religion is looking more and more viable as your existential crisis intensifies
I know tf, but I don't believe any honest intellectual can be properly religious (that is, not just religious out of tradition etc.).

>Why are they all so full of themselves in thinking that they know it all?
You must be confusing reddit fedoras with real atheists.

>>4540897
Agnosticism is flawed
>may or may not exist
are both absurd propositions when it comes to god
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:52:50 2014 No.4540945 File: 12 KB, 300x300, Democritus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] in the end it's all just atoms anyway, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:55:50 2014 No.4540947 >>4540939 Awwww, baby's first college philosophy class.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:55:50 2014 No.4540948 File: 33 KB, 377x598, 1391676936920.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4540945 maybe. once we track them down

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 03:56:50 2014 No.4540949

It takes a lot of courage to accept atheism when one is looking for answers. In a sense, it's almost an absurdist move. A recognition of the fact that we cannot have all the answers. Many people retreat back to the illusion of comfort offered by religion when confronted with this hard truth.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:04:05 2014 No.4540956 >>4540949 Why are there so many underage atheists on 4chan then? Most of them are cowards too afraid to talk to girls.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:05:05 2014 No.4540957
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>>4540949
what you describe is as stupid as the alternative you propose. when presented with a very simple scenario of "I don't know" you somehow end up at either "I can't know" or "I know"

what the dick, man

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:11:50 2014 No.4540962

>>4540956
Well, atheism can also serve as a justification for a lot of problems the autistic faggots who populate 4chan have.
>tfw no gf
"well, that's because love is a fiction and i'm 2 deep 4 shallow nonintellectual girls"
>tfw depressed because no higher calling or vocation in life
"that's because there is no objective meaning to my existence because god doesn't exist"
>>4540957
Are you the idiot posting about ignosticism and agnosticism? Honestly, you're just playing language games now. Have fun with your illusion of superiority though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:15:50 2014 No.4540966 >>4540962 capitalism has fucked you right up lel

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:16:50 2014 No.4540969 I wondered that myself OP. Atheism is completely empty. It has nothing to offer to people but jerking off to an IQ score.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:17:51 2014 No.4540970 >>4540962 I am not that person and there is substance in the argument

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:17:51 2014 No.4540971

>>4540956
There are different types of "atheists".
There's philosophical/intellectual atheism and there's political/cultural atheism, which is common for young males living in the US and is often a rebellious act against the mainstream Christian culture.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:17:51 2014 No.4540972 >>4540969 what else is there?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:17:51 2014 No.4540974 >>4540850 Atheism is admitting you don't know it all. Nihilism is admitting you don't know it all. Religion is the pretence of knowing it all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:19:50 2014 No.4540977 >>4540947 University level, actually. So do you have any arguments against Spinoza's and Nietzsche's anti-humanism? I would call existentialism and humanism baby's first college philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:26:50 2014 No.4540982 >>4540969 Of course "atheism" is empty, it's an abscense.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:28:50 2014 No.4540985

Religion is not pretense you edgy fedora wearing bastards. It's the single greatest thing that propelled humans to where we are today in terms of civilization and science, in the historical sense, and Christianity offers a rational explanation that allows people to pursue a moral life instead of one where you get drunk and shoot up drugs and have no family, a way of life you see being more and more encouraged by the cultural revolution.

Take your pick: hope in ultimate justice and consequences of your own actions or hopelessness and cynicism, aka hell, because no, hell is not a place down under, you make up your own hell by not searching for hope, you'll be in hell long before your death, because hell is the absence of all the good things brought onto someone by theist and the acceptance of a supernatural side of the universe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:30:50 2014 No.4540987 >>4540985 There is plenty of hope in atheism. Stop being an edgy crucifix-wearing bastard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:30:50 2014 No.4540988 >>4540972 God, hope, faith and love.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:30:51 2014 No.4540990 >>4540985 >Christianity offers a rational explanation >muh old sacred book so rational

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:31:51 2014 No.4540991 >>4540988 all spooks

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:31:51 2014 No.4540992 >>4540970 When we don't know that we don't know, we think we know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:32:51 2014 No.4540993 >>4540977 >arguments Nietzsche's anti-humanism dismal science. that was easy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:35:50 2014 No.4540998 >>4540992 I don't know what you are saying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:35:50 2014 No.4540999 >>4540985 >has never met a miserable theist >has never met a happy atheist I'll take delusional shitposters for 500, Alex.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:38:50 2014 No.4541001 >>4540850 >thinking atheism is the answer >not turning to satanism and self-worship >not becoming Buddhist and practicing kundalini yoga Atheism is for the lazy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:38:50 2014 No.4541002 >>4540985 I agree with you anon. Too bad those who matter will not hear you and those who already know don't need to hear it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:41:26 2014 No.4541005 >>4541001 >thinks worshipping satanism and worshipping the self are equivalent >doesn't realize that buddhism and hinduism are conflicting practices /pol/ is leaking, gaiz

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:42:26 2014 No.4541006 >>4541005 Satanism is self worship dummy

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:43:26 2014 No.4541007 >>4541001 >hurr I'm trying every religion out there it's not a fashion. Take it seriously. Start with christianity and the bible.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:43:26 2014 No.4541008

>>4540985
>Christianity offers a rational explanation that allows people to pursue a moral life instead of one where you get drunk and shoot up drugs and have no family

Then how do you explain that divorce is less frequent among atheist couples?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2013/11/study-atheists-get-divorced-less-than-deeply-religious-couples/

And how do you explain that atheists are less likely to commit crimes than religious people?

http://www.baylor.edu/mediacommunications/news.php?action=story&story=130818\

This study was made by a Baptist College in Texas so don't call it biased.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:44:26 2014 No.4541009 >>4541007 >start with western religion Oh you dot jaypeg

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:46:42 2014 No.4541011 >>4541007 Religion is the most unserious thing. I can do whatever I want and still get to heaven even if I don't sincerely believe in it. Why CANT I do everything?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:48:43 2014 No.4541012 >>4541006 >babby read lavey and thinks he's the next nietzsche in any case, "atheistic satanism" is still atheism

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:50:42 2014 No.4541015 >>4540860 >theism is religion Keep dreeming, sonny Jim. >>4540850 So, the more depressed you become, the more you want to believe a reassuring lie. Sounds logical. Have fun being an idiot, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:52:43 2014 No.4541017 Absurdism is by far the best approach to existentialism. OP, read The Stranger.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:55:42 2014 No.4541020 >>4541011 only plebian protestant heretics think that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:57:42 2014 No.4541024 >>4541008 >And how do you explain that atheists are less likely to commit crimes than religious people? That's not what the article says at all.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 04:59:42 2014 No.4541026

>>4541008
Statistics belong in economic debates, not everything a person does is determined by religious faith, maybe burgerland culture encourages divorce, maybe radical burgerland evangelists encouraged marriage between people who are immature mentally?

I'm not claiming that practicing christians are by default better people, just like a guy having the right set of tools isn't automatically going to make something with them instead of hitting people over the head and taking their money

By all means you'll surely take it as a win if you want even if those statistics have nothing to do wih what I'm saying, I'm just stating what christianity is to people, unlike the atheist propaganda that christianity is us praying to santa clause because we're afraid of burning in hell otherwise. It's intensely personal, in modern times it has no more influence on your life -except in radical communities- than a book telling you to cook eggs, owning it and reading it doesn't link your actions thereafter to every other person who has read and failed to understand how to crack an egg.

>>4541002
I usually just end up trying to dismantle whatever "arguments" atheists come up with, usually atacking religious organisations like the Catholic Church, or based on "atheist vs christian" statistics like the former anon, that doesn't get that all humans are sinful in nature, since it's one of the main teachings of the religion he refuses to explore

Again, everyone went through this phase, and then we grew out of it. Instead of trying to link christianity with divorces or whatever, you should try and come up with reasons why an individual would benefit from limiting their perception of the world to what they see and what they understand. Should people who have never seen red and cannot understand what it the color red is deny the existence of colors?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:00:42 2014 No.4541027 >>4540937 Yes it is. You believe that there is no God. Fucking retard. Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:03:42 2014 No.4541031 >>4541027 There's no proof for god though... scepticism is the default position. I have not seen a reason to believe in god; that idea has no effect on my life. Atheism is distinctly a lack of belief rather than an affirmation of belief.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:03:42 2014 No.4541032 >>4540974 You are describing agnosticism. Not atheism. Atheism claims that it knows that there is no god.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:04:13 2014 No.4541033 >>4541027 Furthermore, atheism does not mean anything other than the lack of belief in god. It does not mean atheists have a certain set of values to which they must adhere - there is no 'system of belief' at all.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:06:13 2014 No.4541035

>>4541031
Secularism is the lack of belief. Atheism is believing that there is no god and that your belief is correct. Scepticism is also not the default position. Why do I hear both these arguments so much? Go back to reddit. You have a basic misunderstanding of these definitions. You are not born with scepticism. You are born not knowing anything about the subject. Secular.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:07:13 2014 No.4541036 >>4541035 Not knowing is what I meant; scepticism was the wrong word. But any new ideas should at first be faced with scepticism until they prove their worth.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:08:13 2014 No.4541038 Hydrogen, like starlight, traverse the verses Only in Key. To find an octave. To find a frequency. To find, a cup. To be The sea.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:08:13 2014 No.4541039

>>4541032
There is no universally accepted definition of what an atheist is. Many self proclaimed atheists are actually what you'd call agnostics or ignostics etc. Let's not waste too much time with this. If you're past puberty you should grow out of "muh club vs your club" mentality.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:11:13 2014 No.4541041

>>4541026
>limiting their perception
this

atheists are asspies

>>4541031
if you bothered to read the bible, you'd know that even people who saw Jesus performing miracles "live" doubted him

People struggle with their belief every day, I know I do, and I also know I benefit from it every day, even if it just bring me comfort and peace of mind. Again this is just one small aspect of it, the hope and the way of life brought by all this is proof enough to me that it is worth pursuing, with all my doubts and all my daily questions. Just read the bible already, it won't turn your brain into fruitcake.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:11:13 2014 No.4541042

Seriously, though, what can an atheist/skeptic do to get those good religious feels?

Alain de Botton talks about it and proposes a "church of atheism", but let's be real it's not very serious, even if it's amusing as an idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBFHVOLhxOk

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:17:13 2014 No.4541049 >>4541039 Pick up a dictionary and you will find the accepted definition of atheist. You are confusing how to live your life as an atheist with what it is to be an atheist. I don't understand what your last sentence is about.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:18:13 2014 No.4541051 >>4540982 >an abscense there is no such thing as an absence of a nonexistent thing

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:20:13 2014 No.4541053 >>4541041 Would you be religious/have belief in god if you could get the same sense of community and belonging elsewhere?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:21:13 2014 No.4541055 >>4541042 here Actually, as I'm rewatching that video now, Alain is less of a faggot that I remember him to be (mostly from at some of his other videos). He makes many good points.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:22:13 2014 No.4541057

>>4541049
>Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:23:13 2014 No.4541059
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Read
- Fear and Trembling (Kierkegaard)
- St. Augustine's Confessions
- The Sickness Unto Death (Kierkegaard)
- The Courage To Be (Tillich)
- Orthodoxy (Chesterton)

I can't just suggest 1 book to put an end to an existential crisis because the crisis never ends. It never ended for me, and being Christian only made it worse, but it put it into a perspective all too familiar.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:24:13 2014 No.4541062 >>4541059 I forgot Pascal's Pensees.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:25:13 2014 No.4541065 >>4541057 All of those say that the person BELIEVES that there are NO DEITIES. Non of this is contrary to my post.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:28:14 2014 No.4541070 >>4541065 You suck at reading >>absence of belief that any deities exist

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:29:14 2014 No.4541071

>>4541065
>I reject your belief that there is a donkey behind this door
>I believe there is no donkey behind this door
>I am not convinced there is a donkey behind this door
it can be everything except
>I believe there is a donkey behind this door

this is simply how it is. it's because people didn't think to include the various ways people can lack a belief when they first thought of a word for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:29:14 2014 No.4541072 >>4541059 Just remember that a guilty unbeliever is better than a confident believer. I'd also reccommending "the Kingdom of God is Within You

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:29:14 2014 No.4541073 >>4541065 "rejection of belief in the existence of deities" "the absence of belief that any deities exist" learn how to read

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:35:13 2014 No.4541077

>>4541070
>>4541071
>>4541073
I honestly don't understand why you would want to muddy the definition of atheism instead of being as clear as possible. A deer is not an atheist because of it's absence of belief. It is completely secular. Atheism is as much a religion as anything else.

Oh wait nevermind. You all came from r/atheism and want to be able to gather up the people who don't give a shit about religion as atheists so that you can seem like it's a bigger group than it is. The distinction between an atheist who believes there is no god and someone who doesn't believe or care about anything is important.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:39:13 2014 No.4541081 File: 166 KB, 288x268, leave here.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541077 because it's meant all those things before people started giving a shit about the specifics. you must be really stupid.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:39:13 2014 No.4541082

>>4541077
We are trying to make it clear. The deer is an atheist, though it wouldn't define itself as such; it does not believe in a god.
Atheism is nowhere near a religion. Atheists have no set of doctrines to pull a belief system from. There are people who believe in a god of some sort who are not religious.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:41:46 2014 No.4541085 >>4541077 Atheism. Let's examine the word. Theism: belief in a deity A (prefix): negation Atheism: not believing in a deity

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:43:13 2014 No.4541091

>>4541077
Sorry, but you're not the dictionary master and you don't get to decide what a word means.

>The distinction between an atheist who believes there is no god and someone who doesn't believe or care about anything is important.
Eh, not really. Anyone who takes a few minutes to think will arrive to a more or less same conclusion on the matter. Unless he's a "political atheist" with an agenda.
If you think it's so important to group people in the right category, you're still stuck at that very reddit mentality which you're complaining about.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:50:13 2014 No.4541092 >>4541091 >If you think it's so important to group people in the right category you're right. no more hermeneutics. especially no exegesis. fuck philology. wait, what's the purpose of the board again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:52:13 2014 No.4541094 >>4540985 >cynicism The atheists will always be very, very awesome.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:54:14 2014 No.4541098
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things that got me over existential crises/prevent me from going back:

>falling/being in love
purpose is ascertained via existing for the beloved and experienced the joy of togetherness. but this is often contingent and fleeting.

>appreciation/creation of beauty
"'beauty is truth, truth beauty,' – that is all / Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know". quitting the world or finding it tedious is impossible if you find beauty in every nook and cranny. studying art/lit/poetry/film or something like that will give you deeper and more refined and permanent pleasures.

>fighting for/against something
for democracy, against oppression, whatever. there is so much suffering in the world and to do nothing to improve it even in some small way is scandalous. make the world a better place then when you entered it, derive meaning from the fact that providence will benefit from your struggle just as you benefit from the struggles of untold thousands who fought hard in all sorts of ways so you could have a good life.

>pleasure
need not be an endorsement of unbridled hedonism (though that is an option: "get money, get things, fuck bitches" seems to be a staple way to divert attention from the shitty state of one's existence). every day can be filled with new physical joys: the texture of raw tuna, feel of dirt between fingers in the garden, dopamine rush of a workout, etc etc. probably not an end in itself but a pleasur-less life is not with living.

i'm sure there's more but i would stress (1) having a substantive goal to dedicate your existence to (for me its benefiting others) and (2) having a cultivated aesthetic sensibility so that the world is full of beauty and pleasure and mere surfaces are not meaningless but fulfilling.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 05:55:14 2014 No.4541100 I recommend reading: The Baghavad Gita The Yoga Sutras of Patanjal The Vivekachudamani

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:05:13 2014 No.4541109 >>4541057 >>4541065 wow, you're cuntcombustioned and embarrasing yourself now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:12:13 2014 No.4541122 >>4540985 >Christianity offers a rational explanation Stopped reading right there.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:16:13 2014 No.4541126

>>4540850
>>4540985

I'm kind of in the same boat as OP. I'm finding Christianity to be more and more "viable" in a theological and moral sense, and these questions keep haunting me. I've never really felt this way and I don't know how to deal with it, it's like I can't imagine going back to being agnostic/apatheist after the realizations I've come to.

Even if I were to go full Christian, however, there are a lot of problems for me, and I'm not even sure if it would make me happier and calmer. Some of the morals the Church preaches are hard for me to accept, and the view of homosexuality is personally the hardest. I can't imagine going through life sincerely believing that what I'm doing is wrong just because I want to feel loved and be faithful to a man. The natural law theory seems like bullshit to me, and any understanding of history comes to the conclusion that our modern view of sexuality as a firm split between homo/hetero/bi is simply a product of civilization, hugely influenced by Christian thinkers.

Basically, the Christian view seems very bleak on a lot of points so I don't know how it would bring me a "peace of mind", unless I just go full universalist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:19:13 2014 No.4541128 >>4541053 I don't get a sense of community and belonging from my belief in God, I get other things.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:19:13 2014 No.4541129

I don't believe in god, but I take solace in believing the Universe will one day contract, have another Big Bang and I will be reborn into a new consciousness a few eons after I (and the universe) die
Hopefully I don't get a fucking worm or something like that

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:21:13 2014 No.4541133 >>4541129 With that said, realize one day you're going to be dead and use that as fuel to follow your dreams and die without regrets

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:22:14 2014 No.4541135 >>4541129 >I will be reborn If you forget everything when you die and lose all the embodied characteristics of your consciousness then how can there be an "I" which is reborn? Or, in other words, go kill yourself pleb.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:23:14 2014 No.4541137

>>4540937
>Because atheism is not a belief system you retard.

Well for many people it is a belief system. Thjis is true especially for Americans who often equate atheism with scientism. It works in the same way as religion: a sort of grand scheme where used to understand what surrounds you. Maybe they got over the idea of God but sure the haven't got rid of religious thinking. In fact they get all preachy about it like modern evangelists

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:24:13 2014 No.4541140 >>4540888 Who are you to tell him what God thinks of him? Heck, could be that God actively hates him.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:29:13 2014 No.4541146

>>4541122
*tips fedora*

>>4541126
again as mentioned above, everyone has questions and doubts, we're not a sponge, we're humans

you should look into stuff like speeches from archbishop fulton sheen that take on various questions and doubts etc.

Don't jump to confuse what the "Christian view" with what you hear being preached by one organisation or another, find out for yourself first what it is people are preaching exactly.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:33:13 2014 No.4541150

>>4541146
I understand what you mean, but if I just went and looked at which branch of Christianity suits me the best, it seems like pure cherrypicking for my own taste, and that sounds wrong. I like the Catholics because I adore the tradition - a lot of these "liberal" churches seem to be Protestant and want to deny the tradition and the theology for a more "down to earth" view, which I don't find agreeable since philosophy is what got me into Christian theology in the first place.

But I'm not jumping to conclusions, I've been going over these feelings almost every day, one day thinking that I should become a professed Christian, the next that it's ridiculous. I'm not in a hurry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:40:32 2014 No.4541156 File: 28 KB, 375x375, 1381363153562.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >people being atheist I'm an anti-theist. That's one more rational than just plain atheism.

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There are so many religions in the world claiming to be the one true religion and contradicting each other and falling on a personal God became nothing but ill comforting mind games to me. This is why I've taken a "wait and see" approach which one might describe as atheist until proven otherwise.
And I'm better for it. I don't pray in order to gather the strength to fix my problems, I just go to it. I'm no longer trying to live down my life because some vague promise of an eternal one that will bring me rewards. I'm more happy and content now than I ever was seeking salvation. But that's just me, your experience may vary and if religion or faith, organized or otherwise brings you happiness, rock on.
Pic related, what some of you will think of me no matter what I say.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:42:32 2014 No.4541159 >>4541150 Orthodox faith is the most superior. Read the Philokalia, read Athanasius, read Vladimir Solovyov, read Sergei Bulgakov.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:43:33 2014 No.4541160 >>4541077 A deer or a newborn is, by definition an implicit atheist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:43:33 2014 No.4541161 So, is this the thread where we just act like retards and shitpost? lel edgy fedora! lel!

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:45:32 2014 No.4541163 >>4541156 You don't know what you're talking about. Every single person in thsi world is either a theist or an atheist. anti-theist simply means you actively oppose the idea of a deity.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:46:32 2014 No.4541164 >>4541122 you're familiar with the watchmaker analogy right? you're walking along a beach and you find a watch, therefore there must be a watchmaker? that's rational isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:46:32 2014 No.4541165 >>4541163 >anti-theist simply means you actively oppose the idea of a deity. yeah.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:51:32 2014 No.4541172 >>4541165 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism You personal definitions of words and terms are worthless. You just want to pretend that you are better than atheists because of the reddit/fedora maymay, even though you really are an atheist yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:52:32 2014 No.4541173 >>4541164 It is, right until you get stung by a wasp and realize that us humans aren't gods and can't build deers... yet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:53:32 2014 No.4541176 >"having" an "existential" "crisis" You know, suicide isn't such a bad option, methinks. It's not like you're intelligent enough to ever accomplish anything meaningful.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 06:59:32 2014 No.4541185 >>4541164 http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/paleys-argument-from-design-did-hume-refute-it-and-is-it-an-argument-from-analogy/ No, it's not rational.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:08:32 2014 No.4541202 is this a new may may?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:17:32 2014 No.4541215 >>4540861 Go away namefag. Adults are talking.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:26:50 2014 No.4541229

>>4541126
>The natural law theory seems like bullshit to me, and any understanding of history comes to the conclusion that our modern view of sexuality as a firm split between homo/hetero/bi is simply a product of civilization, hugely influenced by Christian thinkers.

No, the homo/hetero/bi thing was invented by socialists/feminists, etc. in the 1800s. Look it up. In Christianity there were never such things as "homosexuals", just people that gave in to an abominable temptation. You have to be careful about what translation you use. Modern translations are using the term "homosexuality" or "homosexual" in 1 Corinthians 6:9 for example, whereas a more accurate translation is simply, "liers with men".

>I can't imagine going through life sincerely believing that what I'm doing is wrong just because I want to feel loved and be faithful to a man.

Get over yourself. This is Pride. This is the modern "homosexual" cult at its finest. They like to picture themselves as superior beings with more cultivated sexual tastes. They say things like, "what's wrong with loving another man?", and then proceed to engage in orgies and promiscuity that has nothing to do with love, and everything to do with lust. Stop loving your self more than God and you'll get over your "homosexuality". It's just an identity that you've attached yourself to in order to flatter yourself.
You're basically saying, "I don't want to believe in a God that won't let me have sex with men." Well, there's a lot of things God doesn't want you to do. For example, he doesn't want you to have sex outside of marriage at all. Every Christian has to battle with temptations, not just you precious "homosexuals" with your beautiful curse. Stop equating your soul with your flesh. Stop looking at your sexual desires and telling yourself, "this is the real me". No, sex is not the most fundamental part of human nature, despite what the modern world tells you. The most fundamental part of human nature is the desire for God, not sex. Stop letting sex pull you away from God.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:28:49 2014 No.4541232 just so we are clear existential crisis is code word for tfw no gf right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:39:49 2014 No.4541243 >>4541232 This kind of thing is more about satisfaction than achievement.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:55:49 2014 No.4541252 >>4541229 >hurr durr socialists/feminists, etc. >Stop doing things I don't like

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:56:49 2014 No.4541256 >>4541229 >this whole post TOPPEST OF THE LELS

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:58:49 2014 No.4541260

If you're not with Christ then you're with the Antichrist http://www.kingshipofchrist.org/dl/Kingship-of-Christ-Rev-Denis-Fahey-Dublin.pdf

Secularism, Humanism, Secular Humanism - is just a cult promoted in the media to create an apathetic, cattle-like population that is easy to control because all it cares about it is consumer goods.
Socialism/Communism is a messianic religion created by a few talmudic rabbis in order to usurp control of a nation and enslave its population en masse.
Darwinian Evolution is a gnostic cult where DNA becomes a pantheistic "life-force", sex and sexual competition become the reason for living and the genitals become the "holy of holies", and where eugenics/managed-breeding are used to bring about a "master race".
Most people have been inducted into the cult of romance that started in the Middle Ages, which had its antecedents in Ancient Rome with the likes of Ovid. It's the Romeo & Juliet cult. In this cult your "soul-mate" or "other half" becomes the Messiah, the Saviour, "if I can only meet the right girl/guy, I know that I'll be happy".
New Age, neopaganism, occultism, Freemasonry, kabbalah - all of this is Antichrist. It is also taking over society at large, in preparation for the Antichrist.
All popular music is absolutely drenched in occultism, including the most popular stars.

The Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ put it has been officially usurped by Freemasons/Jews since the 1960s, though they had infiltrated it before that. The last few Popes have been Antichrists, but the Protestants are dead wrong in thinking that Catholicism in general is Antichrist. Truly, Protestantism has been an absolute scourge to Christianity because it has divided it. The Protestant Reformation was a massive step towards the breaking up of Christendom and the onset of Modernism.
Here's what the Antichrist will look like, here's the people "falling down and worshipping the Beast": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r-hnjwUBLk
If you don't believe in Christ, this will be you or your children in the near future. There is going to be a catastrophic war and a man is going to present himself as the saviour. He is going to unite the world into a One World Government and start a One World Religion, something that politicians have been working towards for many, many years now. He'll declare himself to be divine and most people will believe him, and will worship him.

If you are an atheist you need to pull your head out of your ass. There is no such thing as atheism in a practical sense. Everybody worships something. If you don't worship Jesus Christ then you'll just end up worshipping a false god like money (Mammon) or sex (aphrodite or adonis or ganymede, etc.). The Modern World is idolatrous. It's the worship of Man (humanism). That's why the EU building has been designed to look exactly like an old painting of the Tower of Babel. The Tower of Babel is a biblical story that represents man's desire to be as God.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:59:49 2014 No.4541261 >>4541049 >using a dictionary to look for definitions of complex concepts lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 07:59:49 2014 No.4541262 >>4541252 Looks like you beat him

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:01:49 2014 No.4541263

>>4541252
>hurr durr socialists/feminists, etc.

But I'm right.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=homosexual

If you don't know that part of socialism is to undermine morals (particular sexual morality) then you need to look into the matter. The reason that they seek to undermine sexual morality is in order to destabilize the family, cause divorces. The reason they want to destabilize the family is so that the State becomes the most powerful institution, and so that the State has control over children rather than families.
Look into it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:02:49 2014 No.4541264 File: 14 KB, 345x365, 1366705147853.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541229 aaaand we're done

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:05:49 2014 No.4541265
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>>4541260
I'm don't think of myself as the kind of person to spout of internet catchphrases like "You just went full retard", but damn, dude, you're really pushing the boundaries between willingly buying into mythology and full-blown paranoid schizophrenia.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:07:49 2014 No.4541268

>>4541260
Here's a man that knows what's coming, for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWzDFjBKUw

It surprises me that poor people today generally are wiser than the rich. The people that go to modern universities end up so brainwashed and ignorant as to the reality of things, it's really disgusting. If you have kids, you need to homeschool them and keep them away from the universities, because they are nothing but indoctrination factories.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:10:49 2014 No.4541270
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>>4541260

>If you are an atheist you need to pull your head out of your ass. There is no such thing as atheism in a practical sense. Everybody worships something. If you don't worship Jesus Christ then...

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:14:49 2014 No.4541273

>>4541265
I'm not paranoid or schizophrenic, but I have no way of proving that to you unless we contact via Skype but I have no intention of doing that.
What I'm talking about isn't a laughing matter.

>For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.

I don't blame you for not being able to see. The media has created this benign screen over everything, this view of life where it's just about having fun, being nice to people, getting a good job, etc. So when someone starts talking about demons he comes across as hysterical. People here always talk about their "existential crises". This crisis does not happen to you by accident. It's the spiritual wasteland that is the modern world, and that spiritual wasteland was not brought about deliberately to demoralize people. The Media/Press is just a gigantic demoralization system, like Kierkegaard said back in the 1800s, long before it became the monolith that it is today.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:16:49 2014 No.4541275

>>4541270
it's true, worship just means adoration. If you do not adore Christ then you will either (1) end up adoring something else (idolatry), or (2) end up adoring nothing (nihilism). The worst form of idolatry is self-worship, self-deification. That's quite popular today.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:18:49 2014 No.4541277

>>4541229
You're making a lot of assumptions here and it sounds dumb.
Why should I feel superior for my sexuality? It's a part of me, like everyone else. I don't care what you think homosexuals are like or what they do. You can't generalize a whole sexual identity and make it fit your little definitions and how they're egoistic and apart from God. This is the really idiotic part and why I can't accept these morals.
Everyone engages in lust. Homosexuals are more promiscuous simply because it's easier to find a fellow homosexual who wants to fuck you. It's simple as that.

Do we have to control that lust? Sure, everyone does. I was given the opportunity for sex back when I was a miserable virgin, but I decided against it, because physical attraction is simply not enough for me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:20:49 2014 No.4541278 >>4541273 >believes he is constantly assailed by invisible, malign forces >the jews/freemasons/media >not paranoid tho

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:23:49 2014 No.4541283 >>4541278 >People actively undermine nations and peoples >Lel conspiracy yea rite eksdee

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:31:49 2014 No.4541290

The problem with atheism/materialism is that it sticks to this naive concept of "matter", and does not perceive that "matter" is itself spiritual/conceptual. Things have a spiritual reality to them.
For example, whenever you see a bunch of 14 year old girls dressed like sluts and pouting for a camera, you can see the Devil grinning over how much power he's gained over the youth, causing them to abandon all morality and hope to worship worldly things. When a materialist looks at an image like this he might see something else. He might see sexual lust, or the blank idea of "slut" or "degeneracy", or the idea of bad parenting or "daddy issues", or cultural trends / fashions / popular forms of expression, or the definition/quality of the picture, etc. The point is that it comes down to interpretation, and a materialist is generally somebody who knows nothing about the art of interpretation, and so he has all of his interpretations formed for him by Media. A materialist is generally somebody who knows only how to look at the dirty/unclean aspect of reality, and insists on the dirty side of reality being "the real" and the divine/transcendent aspects as being fantasy. Look at how dirty our literature has become from the Realist period and beyond. Materialism should be called Philistinism or Barbarism, because that's what it is. It's for people that only believe in carnal things, things that they can touch or feel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:34:49 2014 No.4541291 >>4541290 >For example, whenever you see a bunch of 14 year old girls dressed like sluts and pouting for a camera, you can see the Devil >you can see the Devil >not schizophrenic tho

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:35:49 2014 No.4541293

>>4541283
There's no one out to get you.
Elite shadow games don't concern the public; They're there to hold onto power/gain power within the confines of the 1%. The world is rudderless, even the most carefully constructed conspiracies have the tendency of either going nowhere or not working as planed.
The vatican engages in this as well as the freemasons, zionist jews, atheist media industry jews, christian republicans, populist democrats, scientologists, etc... Everyone is out there to hold onto/carve themselves a bigger slice of the pie for selfish and/or ideological reasons and it these struggles can't be simplified to black/white good vs. evil simplistic morality. To want more fore oneself and those close to oneself is inherent to human nature, to a fault.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:35:49 2014 No.4541294 >>4541290 >The devil You're right that matter has something spiritual to it but you've discredited yourself by involving the Devil. Introducing Statistics and Chance into Science is where Science as a world-outlook became outdated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:35:49 2014 No.4541295 >>4541232 well that too

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:37:49 2014 No.4541298

>>4541293
Their increase in power is costing me my own. They are, in a way, out to get me. Take a financial crisis for example and my politicians telling me the population should split the bill fairly, even though some bankers gambled my money away and ask for more. The game is rigged.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:38:49 2014 No.4541300 >>4541232 Depends. It certainly didn't matter to Kierkegaard.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:40:49 2014 No.4541304

I find it quite stunning that those who pride themselves in knowing the philosophies of the world and their intellectual prowess are so obsessed with portraying atheists as teenage rebels with no girlfriend, constantly browsing 4chan to pick a fight.

If your own world view is so superior, y u so mad bro?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:40:50 2014 No.4541303 >>4541294 >Introducing Statistics and Chance into Science is where I stopped paying attention in class

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:41:49 2014 No.4541306

>>4541277
>You can't generalize a whole sexual identity

I don't generalize a sexual identity, "sexual identity" is already a generalization. When somebody calls themself a "homosexual" they've already generalized themself.

>a miserable virgin

See, this is how antichrist your mentality is. Is the Blessed Virgin Mary also a "miserable virgin"? You've been taken up by that philistine "get laid", American Pie where you tally up "sexual partners" for a Hi-score. It's vile.

The very idea of "sexual identity" is itself disgusting. It's a modern invention. People didn't have "sexual identities" before the modern age, they only had sexual practices. "Sexuality" was something you DID, not something that you WERE. The attempt to brand people as "heterosexual", "homosexual", etc., has been an attempt to make us more beastly, to make us more philistine, by getting us to neurotically associate "the self" with our lusts.

There was a guy on /mu/ who was talking about how his girlfriend and he get into petty arguments and make each other jealous by complimenting over people for their looks. He said, "my girlfriend knows that I'm attracted to asian girls". I told him that he wasn't attracted to asian girls, that he was only attracted to his girlfriend, and that his "attraction to asian girls" is nothing but a temptation that comes from outside of himself, and not part of his self/being. That's consistent. If you are in a monogamous relationship then you are by that very fact only attracted to one person. If you are attracted to more than one person then you are unfaithful/cheating/are not in a monogamous relationship, like Christ said, if you lust after another woman then you've already committed adultery (the stoic Seneca said something similar too). I am currently asexual. If I marry I will be monosexual. I will never be heterosexual, because I'm not a pig that is attracted to every woman that there is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:44:49 2014 No.4541309 >>4541304 >bawww we're the victims d-d-d-d-duh catholics set fire to us bawwww

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:44:49 2014 No.4541310 >>4541306 >dat repression >dat projection srsly, how much sleep do you lose over how wicked and dirty everything is?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:45:49 2014 No.4541312 >>4541304 Atheism is a luxury. Check yr privilege.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:47:49 2014 No.4541314 >>4541303 u sure told me m8

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:48:49 2014 No.4541317 >>4541314 I was just havin a laff but I hope you werent being 2 srs :^)

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:48:49 2014 No.4541318 >>4541309 >>4541310 Actually I'm quite a happy person :)

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:49:49 2014 No.4541319

>>4541310
>dat repression

>muh Freud

what's wrong with repression? Repression is normal and healthy. What you call "repression", borrowing from that neurotic Jew Freud and his ilk, the ancients called "self-restraint", and they deemed it a virtue. If it weren't for so-called "repression" there would be a lot more rape and adultery in the world. Thank God for "repression".

>srsly, how much sleep do you lose over how wicked and dirty everything is?

I don't, it's you that's "projecting" now. I don't view sex as dirty in itself.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:50:49 2014 No.4541320

>>4541298
>Their increase in power is costing me my own.
True when it comes to material things, but a decrease in their power could mean chaos. It's a tightrope they walk as much as us: Overthrowing the government/banking system/elite that plays their shadowgames just means a time of uncertainty until a new government/banking system/elite playing shadowgames that are even more likely to take away your sense of freedom until order is established, which might take longer than you have to live.
>They are, in a way, out to get me.
It is also in their self interest to keep you as content as possible in order not to be overthrown.
>Take a financial crisis for example and my politicians telling me the population should split the bill fairly, even though some bankers gambled my money away and ask for more.
Not excusing those idiots, but that's what they were; human fallible idiots, gambling our fortunes away. And it is unfair that they've set up a system that absolves them of blame, but you can bet your ass some of them are scared and some of them are actively trying to ensure this wont happen again. But we've been there before with different idiots throwing the dice, recessions will probably not disappear any time soon but at least this one is milder than the great depression; Here's hoping the next will be even more inconsequential.
>The game is rigged.
And will always be rigged. We can't win, we can only attempt to make things more fair.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:51:49 2014 No.4541322

>>4541260
>>4541306
You have some good insights, but I gotta ask: why Christianity?
What makes Christianity special and better than other ideologies? How can you ignore its flaws and how can you claim that it has divine inspiration (as opposed to it being a cultural product like many others)?

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:51:49 2014 No.4541323
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>>4540850
>Holding on to the need for answers
Someone doesn't know how to wu-wei.

Reminder: Whenever you're stressed, an annoying daoist will remind you that you don't need what you're stressed about looking for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:51:49 2014 No.4541324 >>4541310 Are you that liberal guy on Youtube who says that you should let your girlfriend bang and as many men as possible and watch it happen so that you get over your "insecurity"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:58:49 2014 No.4541333 Why are religious people the first group where the group doesnt prove their claim first, but asks other to disprove it.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:58:49 2014 No.4541334

>>4541320
>but a decrease in their power could mean chaos.
The Talmud-inspired 'top' áre responsible for most of the chaos, divide and conquer tactics and NWO bullshit.

The game wasn't always rigged, shit starts to hit the fan the moment a nation tries to let the Government print money or radically reduce 'middle-man jobs' that have established a situation where they create their own reasons for being necessary.

I think we're both on the same page but have different answers.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:59:49 2014 No.4541337

Could someone explain to me why theism is supposed to give your life meaning, I don't get it...

Ok lets say there is an afterlife and your purpose on earth is to be good so you get to "heaven", you are rewarded. So then you get there and your are happy and you can praise the Lord, and then what? What meaning does that have? Why does God need another one sucking his dick up there? What meaning does never ending praisal have?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 08:59:49 2014 No.4541339 >>4540985 tips choir-boy

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:00:49 2014 No.4541342 >>4541322 F.P. Yockey's Imperium talks about the same critiques >>4541260 talks about. Christianity is a unifying glue and engine for Europe and pre-1933 America.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:03:49 2014 No.4541347

>>4541306
>People didn't have "sexual identities" before the modern age, they only had sexual practices.

Yes. And the Christian mentality is to condemn certain sexual practices, and bless others. Vaginal intercourse is morally right, oral isn't. They're the ones who bring forth these delusional systems and deny the importance of sex.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:03:49 2014 No.4541348 >>4540850 we're post-orthodoxy now cracker

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:04:49 2014 No.4541349 Why do people argue with religious people when they have yet to prove the existence of their 'god' in any shape

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:05:49 2014 No.4541351

>>4541322
Read The Gospels and see for yourself. This translation is decent: http://www.drbo.org/
Here's a good resource: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/index.html

>What makes Christianity special and better than other ideologies?

Mainly that it's the truth. But I have no way of showing that to you when you're coming from a position of complete moral and epistemological relativism.

>How can you ignore its flaws and how can you claim that it has divine inspiration (as opposed to it being a cultural product like many others)?

I do not think that Christianity has flaws anymore than I think Christ has flaws. Christians have flaws, but Christianity itself explains why Christians (and men in general) are flawed, so there's no contradiction.
As for the matter of divine inspiration: read for yourself. Christ said that there would be stumbling-blocks to believing, but that you would be blessed if you did believe. Again, if you're coming from a place of relativism, I can't ensure you of anything because I know you can just make the claim, "well, plenty of other religions claim that you are blessed if you believe in them". Just look at The Gospels and contemplate Christ's words and actions, and what he represents. The first step I took towards Christianity was realizing that Christ's sacrifice on the Cross was the most beautiful gesture conceivable; it was clear to me that Christ was the greatest man to have ever lived, or, even if he did not exist (as I was not yet a believer), that this story was the most beautiful ever written. I didn't yet believe in Christ but I understood the Idea of Christ on a rudimentary level, what it meant, why it had spread so far, why it came to dominate Europe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:05:49 2014 No.4541352 >>4541347 >Getting sucked off is important >Why can't I try to fuck a girl in the nose?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:06:49 2014 No.4541355 >>4541337 http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02364a.htm

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:07:49 2014 No.4541361 >>4541351 >It's better because it's the truth and it's the truth because I say so.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:08:49 2014 No.4541362 >>4541361 >Average arguments from religion

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:09:52 2014 No.4541364 >>4541355 >http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02364a.htm so what? what's that supposed to tell me?

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:11:49 2014 No.4541367

>>4541306
>It's a modern invention
lol no it isn't. different cultures have had different identities with retard to sexuality and gender since the beginning off time. just because you refuse to prescribe it as an identity because of your ignorance and simply delineate it as practice as if practice doesn't give arise to an identity or vice versa is your issue with your little god.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:11:49 2014 No.4541369 >>4541349 Why do people argue with non-religious people when they have yet to prove the non-existence of anyone else's 'god' in any shape

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:12:50 2014 No.4541373 >>4541369 You claimed first that god(s) exist, time to start proving they do, child

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:13:49 2014 No.4541374

>>4541351

Read The Gospels and see for yourself. This translation is decent: http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospel-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster/dp/0812976568

>What makes Pastafarism special and better than other ideologies?
Mainly that it's the truth. But I have no way of showing that to you when you're coming from a position of complete moral and epistemological relativism.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:13:49 2014 No.4541376

>>4541351
I'm not exactly trying to pick a fight here but how would you account fro all the revisions and removal or exclusion of text from the bible as we know it? The Catholic Church has over the years rejected or revised certain parts of the bible as the cardinals at the time saw fit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:13:49 2014 No.4541379 >>4541369 Because their beliefsystem tells them you don't have to prove a negative. Yet this same system fucks up their theories by having waves, particles, atoms, radiation etc intersect and overlap each other

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:13:49 2014 No.4541380 >>4541374 Hey dont drag pastasfarism to shit flinging contest between delusional christian and rational anons

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:14:49 2014 No.4541381

>>4541306
>When somebody calls themself a "homosexual" they've already generalized themself.

So wait, are you trying to say that you don't believe "true" homosexuality exists? That there is not a category of people who are attracted to their own gender and not to the opposite gender? Because this is, as the anon above me says, not a modern invention at all. Read some history.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:14:49 2014 No.4541383

>>4541334
>The Talmud-inspired 'top' áre responsible for most of the chaos, divide and conquer tactics and NWO bullshit.

Not really, we also have "sinister forces" collaborating with the Muslim elite to keep the status quo; We have "former" commies and their demoralization/destabilization/normalization tactics and counter tactics by "former" McCarthyists; We have the Vatican Bank secretly supporting this and that cause and subtly sowing seeds against others, etc...
The game was always rigged; Sure, middle-man jobs have been "reduced" (or rather, either moved someplace else or stood still without new openings) but it is better to be working class now than to be working class then when conditions weren't this bad for the middle class in the western world and, even if poor I'd rather be alive now than in the romanticized, conservative to the point of strangulation 50s.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:15:49 2014 No.4541384 >>4541369 According to this logic you would have to admit that unicorns are real because you can't prove that they're not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:17:50 2014 No.4541385 File: 139 KB, 640x480, king koopa smirking.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541334 >>4541383

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:17:50 2014 No.4541386 >>4541369 >>4541384 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_pink_unicorn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:18:50 2014 No.4541387 >>4541369 >You claimed Nope

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:18:50 2014 No.4541389 >>4541386 I am so glad that Flying Spaghetti Monster is a legit religion in Russia

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:19:49 2014 No.4541391 >>4541384 >unicorns are comparable to Being itself sure thing bro

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:19:49 2014 No.4541393 >>4541384 >>4541386 >still at babby level cake

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:20:49 2014 No.4541394

>>4541387
By you I referred to religious people and I took you as one :,)

I am still waiting here, why Christianity is atheistic towards every other religion but not to their own and proof of their God.

Protip: you cant prove it.

>>4541391
Yes , comparing such puny things like Christian God to Pink Unicorn is a slight, I hope Christians apologize the Pink Unicorn followers.

Must be a mighty thing to create this all, such as PU.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:21:49 2014 No.4541395 >>4541391 >unicorns are comparable to Being itself Could you translate that for me please? I'm looking for an english sentence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:21:49 2014 No.4541396 >>4541393 >Cant disapprove anything >Only retard circular logic and/or self-defeating arguments at best >-n-n-n-uh religion real.. How can one man be utterly rekt.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:23:10 2014 No.4541400

>>4541394
Arguments for the existence of God are not specifically arguments for the existence of the Christian God, you fucking idiot. The definition applies to a monotheistic Being and source of all creation. You can't prove empirically that Jesus was the Son of God, contained both a human essence and a divine one and died on the cross so he could forgive our sins. That's why it's a religion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:23:11 2014 No.4541398 >>4541393 >Claims we just just don't understand something >doesn't give explanation

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:24:10 2014 No.4541401 >>4541386 >hur god is the same as invisible horses and teapots This is why modern atheists can't be taken seriously.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:25:10 2014 No.4541403 >>4541401 Then explain the difference.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:26:10 2014 No.4541404

>>4541398
Religious people everyone.

>>4541400
Given the context of the thread were big Jesus Anon is arguing, I took it for granted that you'd understand why I referred to the Christan God.

>I cant prove.
Good, now stop brainwashing little kids.

>>4541401
>I have 0 arguments.
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>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:28:10 2014 No.4541407 >>4541395 Maybe you should go back to /b/ instead of shitposting on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:29:10 2014 No.4541409 >>4541404 >empirical proof is the only acceptable truth >I can't prove the inherent value of human beings, love, faith Stop brainwashing little kids, asshole.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:29:27 2014 No.4541410 >>4541407 >Arguing about some made up shit like 'God' >not shitposting in itself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:30:27 2014 No.4541412 >>4541407 I just asked you to clarify that for me because the sentence doesn't make any sense, but thanks for insulting me I guess..

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:30:27 2014 No.4541414 >>4541409 What the fuck is the point of that comparison. Are you brain damaged? either admit you believe into Santa Clause or dont open your trap mouth again.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:32:25 2014 No.4541415

>>4541414
There is no empirical proof that human beings are inherently valuable and deserve to live. Why do we brainwash our kids with this idea? Please provide proof of this claim.

Denying anything but empiricism makes nihilism the only option by definition. This is why your viewpoint crumbles.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:33:25 2014 No.4541417

>this thread
Thank God I wasn't born in America. It seems that atheists are getting way too much shit for not conforming to the "norm" like "adults". Fortunately where I live no one gives two flying shits about religion except old fucks, rich fags and the military. Just go ahead and say the entirety of Europe is full of edgy fedorafags, that would be entertaining to read.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:35:25 2014 No.4541418
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>>4541396
>>4541398
>>4541403
>>4541404
>create a creature that is simple invisible and hinge your bets on that being an accurate parody of god
>get called out for presenting an apples-and-oranges false equivalent, since in no religion is god an invisible animal or object
>LYL REKT SUCH BUTTHERT MUST BE A RELIGULS PERSON, SO DUM

Good job, guys. Good to know that if something is "invisible" you can't prove it exists. At least we can throw that Dark Matter shit out the window amiright?

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:35:25 2014 No.4541419

>>4541164
First mover argument, all good. That's a reason why there would be a God, not why religion would have anything true in it.

Theism is not religion. In fact, theism has nothing to do with religion. Theism is the argument of the watchmaker, a seeming necessity to create anything, religion takes this concept and tells you how to live your life because of it.

So in your analogy:
You're walking along a beach and you find a watch, therefore there must be a watchmaker.
Then someone walks up to you and sais that means you need to go to a magical building on sundays and not have sex before marriage and cover women in blankets.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:35:25 2014 No.4541420

Give yourself your own meaning; set your own goals and ambitions. Don't let a mass decide that for you. Atheist Don't know it all--no one does. I didn't give up religion looking for answers in Atheism/Agnosticism, I gave up religion because I felt I was lying to myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:36:25 2014 No.4541421 >>4541412 It makes perfect sense, unless you're ill/uneducated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:36:25 2014 No.4541423 >>4541417 >europe so edgy hurr durr just kidding, I agree with you but in europe we also have a lot of moderate christianity and state sanctioned religion, I guess you're from scandinavia?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:37:25 2014 No.4541424 File: 37 KB, 494x265, we-are-stars.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4540866 Spinoza is for hippies wearing sweater vests.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:38:25 2014 No.4541426

>>4540850
Accepting hard truths is a sign of maturity. Honestly, you're probably experiencing some depression. You ought to try exercise, meditation and better sleeping practices. Remember that thoughts don't make you said, hormones make you sad, and you can't think yourself into happiness.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:38:25 2014 No.4541427

>>4541164
>you're walking along a beach and you find a watch, therefore there must be a watchmaker?

What if someone dropped it?
What if it was in a beach cart and it fell off?
What if it was washed up on the beach?
Or are you refering to the existence of the watch itself and not its location?

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:39:25 2014 No.4541429

>>4541164
>>4541419
"Even if the design argument is completely successful, it could not (in and of itself) establish a robust theism; one could easily reach the conclusion that the universe's configuration is the result of some morally ambiguous, possibly unintelligent agent or agents whose method bears only a remote similarity to human design. In this way it could be asked if the designer was God, or further still, who designed the designer? Hume also reasoned that if a well-ordered natural world requires a special designer, then God's mind (being so well ordered) also requires a special designer. And then this designer would likewise need a designer, and so on ad infinitum. We could respond by resting content with an inexplicably self-ordered divine mind but then why not rest content with an inexplicably self-ordered natural world?"

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:39:25 2014 No.4541430 >>4540860 This person is a complete an utter idiot and thinks his inability to accept reality is mature. Ignore him and everyone like him.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:39:26 2014 No.4541432 >>4541423 France. It's a secular country as written in its very constitution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:41:26 2014 No.4541433 File: 9 KB, 197x132, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4540860 >there are rational arguments for theism

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:42:25 2014 No.4541434

>>4541429
It's called a FIRST cause for a reason.
>one could easily reach the conclusion that the universe's configuration is the result of some morally ambiguous, possibly unintelligent agent or agents whose method bears only a remote similarity to human design.
A conclusion that is consistent with some theisms.

Am I really on /lit/?

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:42:25 2014 No.4541435

>>4541419
>>4541164
"Science can't explain the beginning of everything yet, but neither does religion." Here is an analogy: Imagine you leave an empty room and lock the doors. After a while you come back, open the door and you find a completed puzzle game on the floor. The creationist argument is like responding to the question where the puzzle came from with "a bearded man put all the pieces together." It doesn't answer the question how the puzzle (or the bearded man) got into the room in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:42:25 2014 No.4541436 >>4540863 >implying atheists can't be optimistic You are seriously retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:43:25 2014 No.4541437 >>4541415 There is nothing crumbling here, you only thinking not being religious faggot makes people kill themselves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:43:25 2014 No.4541438 >>4541432 Germany still lacks behind on this issue... i mean the government even collects a religious tax

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:43:25 2014 No.4541439 >>4540888 Nope.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:46:25 2014 No.4541443 >>4540898 This guy has it right. I'm actually one of the guys pushing nihilism lately, an it's mostly in the name of first pushing out: 1 Protestants 2 Catholics 3 Spinoza pantheists In order of importance.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:46:25 2014 No.4541444

>>4541423
Actually there are only a few European countries with a state religion and most of them are... in Scandinavia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion
But it's a different context anyway. In Europe it's more about a moderate tradition, whereas in the US it's thriving even among younger generations and it's more pervasive and extreme (including genital mutilation etc.).

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:47:25 2014 No.4541446 >>4541437 So now that you can't answer, it's alright, is it? Hilarious.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:48:26 2014 No.4541447

>>4541434
But a God outside of the confines of our universe (i.e. a first cause) doesn't make sense because universe means the totality of existence and if god is not part of it, per definition he doesn't exist. Hume proposes that a God which defies the confines of our universe is by no measures a better solution than a universe which is just there. If a believer is willing to accept a God that is not part of this universe, why can't the believer accept a beginning which is just as unexplainable?

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:48:26 2014 No.4541448

>>4540949
>courage
haha, I used to think that too. Now I look back on my atheist days longingly. Everything made so much more sense.

>not arriving at the point of skepticism of all metaphysics and naturalism
>not having the torturous uncertainty of not believing in the Bible but having the full awareness that it might be true and you're doomed if you don't have faith

if you don't have the fear of God in your heart yet then your life is laughably easy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:48:26 2014 No.4541449 File: 11 KB, 588x418, 1302795742726.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541418 >suddenly, no responses

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:49:25 2014 No.4541450 >>4541444 Oh thanks, didn't know that! :)

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:49:25 2014 No.4541451 File: 190 KB, 510x680, 1391698192703.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541426 >Remember that thoughts don't make you said, hormones make you sad, and you can't think yourself into happiness.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:50:25 2014 No.4541452 >>4541448 >Pascal's Wager HAHAHAHAHHAHAA

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:51:25 2014 No.4541456
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>>4540866
Spinoza's ideas have been around longer and are better developed in the East, and atheists spout 'we are the universe observing itself' feel good crap all the time.

So what niche does Spinoza actually fill?

Christians that want to remain religious, but feel like traitors for going outside their traditions? What else is there?

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:52:25 2014 No.4541457

>>4541452
>Pascal says that unbelievers who rest content with the many-religions objection are people whose scepticism has seduced them into a fatal "repose". If they were really bent on knowing the truth, they would be persuaded to examine "in detail" whether Christianity is like any other religion, but they just cannot be bothered.[19] Their objection might be sufficient were the subject concerned merely some "question in philosophy", but not "here, where everything is at stake". In "a matter where they themselves, their eternity, their all are concerned",[18] they can manage no better than "a superficial reflection" ("une reflexion légère") and, thinking they have scored a point by asking a leading question, they go off to amuse themselves.[20]

As Pascal scholars observe, Pascal regarded the many-religions objection as a rhetorical ploy, a "trap"[21] that he had no intention of falling into. If, however, any who raised it were sincere, they would want to examine the matter "in detail". In that case, they could get some pointers by turning to his chapter on "other religions".

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:52:25 2014 No.4541458 >>4541449 >>4541418 invisible does not equate untestable. radio waves are invisible but clearly you can prove they exist, god, or an invisible unicorn are untestable, so there is no difference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:52:25 2014 No.4541459 >>4540956 You don't know their age you moron

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:54:25 2014 No.4541460 >>4541418 There's difference between religious foundationalism and yet unproven hypothesis in science. One asks for belief, the other just consideration.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:54:25 2014 No.4541461 >>4540957 THE REASON WE DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD IS THE SAME REASON WE DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING SUPERNATURAL. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME TO EVEN CONSIDER LEPRECHAUNS AND POTS OF GOLD. GOD IS NO DIFFERENT.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:55:25 2014 No.4541464 File: 447 KB, 901x868, IMG_9104.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541457 Do I really have to argue this? It's such a cringe worthy argument as well.. >I believe because of fear

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:56:25 2014 No.4541465

>>4541447
The first cause argument is hinged on the fact that in a universe where causation exists the universe itself must be caused. It's probably a matter of semantics whether this cause is "outside" of the universe or not. Some theisms, like Hindu theisms, practically equate the universe to being god, whereas panentheism argues the universe is IN god, so what you're referring to is more deistic (which is a popular idea in Western Christianity, so it is a valid criticism).

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 09:59:25 2014 No.4541469 >>4541465 But you're suggesting that there is something that doesn't need a cause which is just as illogical as saying there was no cause, so where is the argument for creation here?

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:01:25 2014 No.4541472

>>4541456
Are you actually asking what niche Spinoza filled? Because the answer there ranges from The West dumbass to lurk moar and you'll get the j/ks. Perhaps you like the idea that since the idea existed in the East that there is no niche to be filled in the West by it. There's a nice intuitive sensibility to that kind of retardation which can only be filled by Spinoza since the East wouldn't bother with it. Perhaps you're just being that meta. I doubt it though.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:03:26 2014 No.4541474

>>4541456
Spinoza is the rationalistic refinement of scholastic philosophy, an attempt to arrive to the truth using only logical arguments that proceed from agreed axioms. It's the most successful attempt compared to anything before it, at least in my experience. I don't see how the ideas are "better developed" in the East, maybe if you mean apart from the argumentative sense.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:05:25 2014 No.4541476

>>4541458
>an invisible unicorn [is] untestable
You realize what you're saying that natural science can't tell us whether one horned horses don't exist, right?

You're wrong, of course. Science CAN tell us whether unicorns do or don't exist either, regardless if they're invisible or not.

>>4541460
I never suggested otherwise. It was the quoted persons that did, by stating that invisible entities can not be proven or disproven. This is of course false, so the parodies naturally crumble on themselves.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:10:25 2014 No.4541482

>>4541452
>>4541464
original poster here:
I don't believe in the Wager. I can't will myself to believe the Bible. I don't care about "wasting what precious little time I have", or the many-gods argument, or anything. I'm perfectly fine living with or without a God. What hurts is that no matter how you live, you never know whether or not the foundation from which you derive values is real.

The extra-painful part is that one explanation of reality claims that you are doomed if you don't believe it, and it has made itself just barely historically plausible enough to appear as a threat.

It's not a wager because there isn't even a game to be played. You have to live in uncertainty just hoping that some scientific or historical research, or otherwise divine intervention, will steer you in the right direction.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:10:25 2014 No.4541483

>>4541469
The argument is the fact that it isn't illogical to suggest that there must be a causer that is not itself caused; That's strictly logical. It's illogical to suggest there is no cause, when we know that causation exists. They're both weird answers, but the first at least is conceivable.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:12:25 2014 No.4541484
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>>4541474
>logic
>religion

Ah the religious rear their fedora clad head. Why don't these people just admit they're after atheist's approval? Yeah, we get it, you're not one of 'those Christians'. You're more rational. You deserve respect.

Whatever dude. Stop trying so hard, it's fucking annoying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:13:25 2014 No.4541486 >>4541484 Always remember: this is the best you could do.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:13:25 2014 No.4541487 >>4541483 >we know that causation exists HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA I'm not even him but, no.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:14:25 2014 No.4541488 >not being apathetic enough to just be agnostic

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:15:25 2014 No.4541490 >>4541487 >whales just materialize in my couches and spoons rust before they're even made HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA Must be a wacky world you live in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:16:25 2014 No.4541491 >>4541487 Fuck off, Hamid Al-Ghazali, you're drunk.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:17:25 2014 No.4541492 >>4541484 Spinoza was an atheist, though. Or a pantheist at best. Definitely not religious.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:21:25 2014 No.4541496 >>4541490 >>4541491 >I'm comfortable in my heuristic you're as bad as the rest of them (give or take a margin of error)

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:22:25 2014 No.4541498 >>4541476 How would you test it? do you have evidence that unicorns don't exist?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:22:25 2014 No.4541499 >>4541484 Ah, the ignorant rear their head. Congratulations, you've proven you haven't the slightest idea of what Spinoza claimed, and probably anything else in this thread. Spinoza was an influential biblical critic, you fucking scum.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:22:25 2014 No.4541500 File: 27 KB, 948x948, 1391700178516.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541492 >pantheist >not religious

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:23:25 2014 No.4541501 >>4541492 Panentheist, dawg.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:24:59 2014 No.4541503 I'm sick of these pseudo intellectuals that turn to religion to find something that sounds like an answer. You're not a smart special snowflake, you're just a bitch who keeps staring down a botomless pit that is not that big a deal.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:24:59 2014 No.4541504 >>4541496 >one man can be this wreckt

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:25:58 2014 No.4541507 File: 115 KB, 545x887, 1346478968405.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541500 >atheist >not religious Good argument we have here, huh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:27:59 2014 No.4541508 >>4541500 Even theism doesn't imply religion, though. How is that not obvious? A person could believe in a personal interventionist God and still not subscribe to any established dogma, social structure, moral claims, etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:28:59 2014 No.4541510 File: 254 KB, 444x648, mhh.i.p11.100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Let poetry be the way to your happiness.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:30:58 2014 No.4541512 >>4541510 it's not working, blake ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:36:58 2014 No.4541519 File: 494 KB, 500x210, Loki.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541499 So how isn't he used by Christians to prove themselves to fedoras, if he was one?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:36:58 2014 No.4541520 File: 23 KB, 408x266, philippepetit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1101.htm

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:37:58 2014 No.4541522

>>4541498
>How would you test it?
How do you test for any kind of animal? I'm not a scientist but I'm not daft enough to suggest that scientists are in an agnostic limbo over the exist of fucking Bigfoot or Nessy.

>do you have evidence that unicorns don't exist?
Really?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:39:58 2014 No.4541525 >>4541504 >one man >implying i'm not a mereological nihilist >implying to be otherwise is something other than ego preserving delusion

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:40:58 2014 No.4541530 >>4541522 >I'm not daft enough to suggest that scientists are in an agnostic limbo over the exist of fucking Bigfoot or Nessy Well, they are and you just proved yourself to be a moron

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:41:59 2014 No.4541532 >>4541519 Because he wasn't a Christian and criticized together with Judaism. Fuck, just stop posting here and read before you start arguing about things you don't know anything about. 5/10 troll.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:41:59 2014 No.4541533

>>4541347

Well in older times thats perfectly justifiable, in times when hygiene was neglected as such, all forms of sex could be seen as dirty and immoral as it could lead to illness. However, procreation was necessary hence why vaginal intercourse was deemed moral only within the bounds of wedlock. As a non christian i can see how the church was perfectly justifiable within small communities, as they provided basic guidelines in order to shepherd their flock.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:41:59 2014 No.4541534 >>4541426 maybe you're right, i dunno. my sadness does lead me to the bigger questions i guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:42:59 2014 No.4541536 >>4541507 Please leave the thread and collect your thoughts before posting again, because you're shit posting.

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:51:58 2014 No.4541547
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>>4541530
>Well, they are

>idiots come out of the woodwork to say you're an angry idiot when you laugh at them for comparing two completely unalike things and making arguments from their ignorance
>their defense turns into "sceince can't prof bigfoots not real"

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:55:58 2014 No.4541553 >>4541547 >2014 >thinking you're real

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:55:58 2014 No.4541554 >>4541027 10/10 Guaranteed replies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 10:58:59 2014 No.4541561 >>4541553 Nah man, I'm unreal :^)

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:00:58 2014 No.4541568 >>4540982 Exactly. With atheism you remove god, and you now have space for more meaningful and interesting pursuits

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:02:58 2014 No.4541569 >>4541561 can we square you away somewhere?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:02:58 2014 No.4541571 >>4540985 You are highly delusional. Most important historical thinkers were probably atheist. Do you know why many said they were religious? I'll give you a hint: the church used to murder people for what they believed

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:02:58 2014 No.4541573 >>4540850 www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rr-jyg0MyI Hopefully you're not gone, OP. Atheism gets a bad rap, just like theism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:03:58 2014 No.4541575 >>4541568 >meaningful lol what is meaning >interesting religion isn't interesting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:03:58 2014 No.4541576 >>4541571 >murder people for money fix'd

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:05:59 2014 No.4541581 >>4540999 I was miserable as a theist. I'm happy as an atheist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:05:59 2014 No.4541583 >>4541573 >neil de grasse tyson does this look like reddit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:05:59 2014 No.4541585 I want /sci/ to leave. >tfw /lit/ has just as many fedoras as /sci/ and /r9k/

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:05:59 2014 No.4541586 >>4541571 >Most important historical thinkers were probably atheist. Hahahahaha

Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:06:59 2014 No.4541590

Given that it seems to be impossible to have concrete, objective knowledge of anything, I don't believe in belief. Of any sort, excluding the most hypothetical. I feel like I'm trolling or taking the piss when I say this but as time passes the more obvious it seems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:06:59 2014 No.4541591 >>4541581 but you don't get sick trips as an atheist. i'm trusting the other guy

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:08:58 2014 No.4541593 >>4541590 Here's to recognising convenience anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:08:58 2014 No.4541596 >>4541573 Walt Whitman writes a lot about that stuff he is the naturalist mystic that everyone needs to read

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:08:58 2014 No.4541597 >>4541015 >>theism is religion Oh boy, here come the ham fisted defenses

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:09:58 2014 No.4541600 >>4541593 I don't understand what you mean, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:09:58 2014 No.4541602 File: 39 KB, 310x390, dostoevsky310.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541583 Jeez, anon, just trying to help the guy out. You didn't have to get so sensual with me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:10:58 2014 No.4541605 >>4541602 i don't think i was being sensual enough ;)

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:11:59 2014 No.4541607 >>4540949 >A recognition of the fact that we cannot have all the answers That's agnosticism. Atheist believe they have the answer that there is no god.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:12:59 2014 No.4541608 >>4541585 >Thread to troll atheists >Religious can't handle euphoric banter >Atheists asked to leave Any other requests champ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:12:59 2014 No.4541609 >>4541607 I've seen people argue both sides of that argument and win.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:13:58 2014 No.4541611 File: 9 KB, 146x160, 1383703916343.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541596 I've only read a little bit if Whitman. He does seem to get people excited. >>4541605 Pic related

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:13:58 2014 No.4541613 >>4541571 >Most important historical thinkers were probably atheist getaloadofthisguy.jpg

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:14:58 2014 No.4541614 >>4540850 Willful ignorance is never the answer OP. Maybe try thinking about things yourself instead of assimilating yourself into another herd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:14:58 2014 No.4541615 >>4541571 >>4541571 Exsqueeze me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:15:58 2014 No.4541616 >>4541608 no, there's no problem with atheism. there's a broad range of stoics on the board. we just want atheists who have read substantially from canon rather than listened to a podcast one time or think science isn't just natural philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:20:58 2014 No.4541628 File: 1.90 MB, 320x240, 1389968389213.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4541607 That would be gnostic athism. There ia also agnostic atheism. Jesus Christ, /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:22:58 2014 No.4541633 >>4541607 Hairsplitting. Christians and religious who aren't sure, but default to believing for practical reasons are considered, and consider themselves religious, not agnostic. A lot of atheists do the same so it doesn't always apply.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 6 11:37:34 2014 No.4541656 Just watch or re-watch Carl Sagan's Cosmos.

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