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4493806 No.4493806[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

This is the GOAT piece of literature

prove me wrong

inb4 some faggot says the iliad is better

>> No.4493807

hurr durr no words for blue

>> No.4493810

No, you're right /thread

>> No.4493814

>ITT: Theoreau is a faggot
Agreed

Also, 'The Brothers Karamazov'

>> No.4493813

>>4493806

I loved it. But no.

>> No.4493822

>>4493806
Ulysses by James Joyce is better. Proof is in the text after you make the comparisons.

>> No.4494001

I would study jungian psychoanalysis and Nietzsche before reading it

>> No.4494006

>>4493814
What are you talking about

>> No.4494005

>>4493806
>One of the ten "Best Books of 1996"

what

>> No.4494011

>>4494006
>inb4 some faggot says the iliad is better
Thoreau did. In fact, to Thoreau, the Illiad was the best shit since dodging taxes. Fucking faggot.

>GOAT
The Brothers Karamazov

>> No.4494013

>>4494011

>wikipedia scholar detected

>> No.4494015

>>4494005
The translation, stupid.

>> No.4494353

it's a dumb action adventure story. i'd rather read lotr or other fantasy tripe

>> No.4494408

>>4493806
>GOAT
Into the tower you go
>>4493400

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>>4493806
Welp, I just finished today the Odyssey and really liked it, over everything the polymath Odysseus that I loved even reading the Iliad (just before the Odyssey), the wider variety in comparison to the other poem, and the pitiful tears the brokenhearted men (the meeting with the mother!), but, son, I prefer the Iliad: this furious clash between population, between men, the unfair fate and these brave but nevertheless humans that deal with death, and, in fact, the last book shows how even a war machine, a great warrior, in the end is only a mere human that encounters the inevitable death like any othe one, and his body will eventually perish. More tears than I thought.

>> No.4494548

better question:
was there a Homer?

>> No.4494601

>>4494548
Homer was a rhapsodist, not a writer, and that can also be confirmed thanks to the repetitions that have the purpose of being stored in the minds of the listeners (exactly like rhetoric), so someone wrote the poems for him, like a cadet or so; we can't truly know if Homes was precisely the rhapsodist or the writer itself but what can be assured is that the two poems are orally composed: why? We don't know, was Homer blind, or a simple illiterate? We will never know, but that's the game.

Contrariwise Hesiod, probably, was even a writer.

>> No.4494604

>>4494601
>homer probably lived in the 8th or 7th century
>greek writing was invented sometime around 800 bc
protip: they invented it to write his shit down

>> No.4494820

>>4494601
>homer was a writer however not the originator

>>4494604
>his shit down
it's an oral traditon

>>4494431
One couldn't get much more things right than you just did

>> No.4494828

Sorry to destroy any hopeful delusions, but there probably was no homer, it was simply oral stories being put into writing by some scholars

>> No.4495070

>>4493806
Only women think the Odyssey is better than the Iiad

>> No.4495077

>>4494828
Shakespeare didn't exist either right?

>> No.4495084

>>4495070
Not even women. Only children and the terminally ignorant think that the Odyssey is better than the Iliad.

>> No.4495105

>>4494601
Iliad and Odyssey weren't composed by Homer, but by someone else of the same name.

>> No.4495103

>>4494828
WOAH YOU JUST TOTALLY DESTROYED MY HOPEFUL DELUSIONS

THE POWER OF YOUR WORDS HAS LEFT ME A WHIMPERING HUSK

MY INNOCENCE IS GONE, MY HYMEN PULVERIZED BY THE FIERCENESS OF YOUR TRUTHS

>> No.4495153

>>4493806
The only thing The Odysseys has over the Iliad is that it's more digestible and easier to read.

>> No.4495155

The Illiad is better

>> No.4495163

Odissey is miles better than the Illiad. I stand with you OP.

Illiad is okay but
>muh achilles
>muh arete
>muh ship catalogue
>muh monotony

>> No.4495169

>Fagles
Please kill yourself. PLEASE!

>> No.4495190

>>4493806
The Odyssey is crap compared to the Iliad. The Iliad is about the effect that anger has on nobility, and is surprisingly sympathetic to its women and to the people of Troy. It also contains a lot of wisdom about mortality.
The Odyssey is is misogynistic because of Odysseus's philandering, racist and ethnocentric because the rest of the world as degenerate by birth or as a sideshow, and everything is picaresque meant for mere entertainment. It ends with Odysseus slaughtering a group of people. It's a savage work.

>> No.4495194

>>4495190
>violence towards women defines the quality of a book
wait i just realised this was a ruse good job 9/10

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4495197

what about Ulysses

>> No.4495607

>>4493806
who talks about pieces of literature? isn't that kind of crass

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4495837

>>fagles

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4495845

>implying the GOAT isn't The Waste Land

>> No.4495855

>>4495169
>>4495837
>getting autistic over a random image that was picked

>> No.4495962

I like Thoreau.

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4496207

>mfw all the spears being driven through teeth and eyeballs in the Iliad

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>>4493806

I'm not gonna prove you wrong, or argue, or even mention whether I agree or not.

All I'm gonna say is, I have an unabridged audiobook of the Fagles Translation, read by Sir Ian McKellan (Fucking Gandalf) and it's god damn amazing.

...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgB9vxYT9kw

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>>4495153
And more interesting. Likable characters. A good ending. Not all about crying and killing.

>>4495169
>>4495837
Fall on your spears.

>> No.4496321

The Odyssey and the Iliad are awesome. One isn't better than the other. They complete each-other.

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>>4493806
thte lillyad is the best
u are a ll plebians

>> No.4496494

>>4496321
You don't belong here.

>> No.4496585

>There are people on /lit/ RIGHT NOW that haven't read the Lattimore translation

>> No.4496668

>had to read the Odyssey 5 times throughout high school and college
>can never read it again

>> No.4497334

What is the best translation of the Odyssey or the Illiad?

>> No.4497338

>>4497334
Fagles or Lattimore.

>> No.4497341

>>4497334
Fagles and Lattimore are the ones everyone read in college

Fitzgerald is what men read