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4492926 No.4492926[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

What's there to say about our generation?

>chronically narcissistic
>profoundly autistic

Is it just the golden age fallacy talking or are we in the midst of such a substantial break from the past that everything just tastes funny? And perhaps more importantly to the board, how can one write a piece of literature that really captures this ethos?

>> No.4492931

>2014
>still buying into the generational conflict

>> No.4492963

>>4492926
Generalisations do not hold up at all when you actually talk to people. There are no voices of generations, there is no single thing that one generation has that the previous did not, the delineation between one generation and the next is arbitrary, and even trying is pants on head fucking retarded.

The delineation between people who make sweeping generalisations and those who do not is extremely clear, however. The former openly shit their pants and drool into their handler's kerchiefs and those who do not do things like have sex and families.

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>>4492931
I know. I wish that I could talk to someone who had seen it all so they could dispel this myth but I still can't shake the feeling that things are somehow different now.

>> No.4492989

>>4492963
How unnecessarily confrontational

>> No.4493672
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4493672

>>4492963
>ain't real
>proceeds to be ridiculously autistic and narcissistic

>> No.4493673

>>4492989
do you even 4chan?

>> No.4493680

sad folks searching for exits

>> No.4493799

My grandparents were the last who could live without being seen, my parents, the last who could live without speaking.

>> No.4493839

>>4493799
and your children will be the last to live without being modified before birth! Quick, commit suicide, our world is going down the shitter!!!!111!!!111one

>> No.4493871

Keep your doomsaying to yourself, fool. Some of us are actually training- reading our classics, working hard with philosophy. We'll take office and sort out the laws.

>> No.4493874

>>4492963

I was with you until you started cursing. Watch your tongue.

>> No.4493926

Die honourably on a windmill.

>> No.4493943

>>4493871
hahaha, I am going to explain to you your future
>reach postww2 philosophy
>realize we are not in 19th century france anymore

>> No.4495510

>>4492926
>chronically narcissistic
Sauce on this that isn't a 50 year old journalist or a wannabe hipster.

>> No.4495522

>chronically narcissistic
Definitely this. I think we're the first generation to get No Child Left Behind and participation awards. Our generation has been told its whole life that it is just as good as #1 even if it was dead last

There have to be some repurcussions to that

>> No.4495523

this site doesn't count as a generation, dummy.

>> No.4495540

>>4495522
Really tired of this woe " baww le NARCCISITC AND ENTITLED'.

These words just get thrown around like coughs.

PEOPLE in general are narcissistic and entitled. This is America. weren't baby boomers the orginal "me" generation? Fuck off with this pseudo generational bullshit.

>> No.4495556

>>4495540

>weren't baby boomers the orginal "me" generation?

Yes. Ironically, just about every canard frequently thrown at millennials (by boomers) was more applicable - and was applied - to the boomers themselves in their long, long childhood.

>> No.4495875

which generation is "ours"

you have no idea who anyone here is.

>> No.4495896

>>4495875
I'm 26 and sometimes I feel like the people here who are 18 to 20 grew up as a completely different generation. It's weird and sometimes frightening.

>> No.4495897

The pressure for success has crippled us. Faliure in the west is not an option and that is the problem. Education and wisdom come through the spiritual experience that we call experience. Experience is the way we learn effectively.

Experience is now only reserved for the already successful. The stakes are to high and most are crushed underneath.

For how many time in your life have to swiftly given up because something was hard. How many times have you told yourself that you were a faliure for not achieving something that someone else has done in a swift manner. Competition in the market place has crushed our human spirit and our drive and it hws leaked into our education system

If you can not preform at a high level on the Sat exam in the United States, you are see as dumn or u intelligent.

Humans are all born gifted. it is only through the experience, the education that we learn to become falirues.

>> No.4495904

I can't blame the generation in itself because the conditions have entirely changed. Think about the difference between the modern twentysomething-and-under generation, and the conditions in which it was raised, and a hypothetical generation of men who had gone through the same conditions as their own fathers, and simply fucked everything up.

It's not like we had a major war and shit the bed. Men tend to rise to the occasion, and war will cut the excess gristle off the meat pretty quickly. It's just that we're all gristle now. No one knows hardship, danger, or really necessary hard work, there is a glut of stimulation and information, and all the other cliches everyone knows. The homeless live better than well-off working classmen of previous eras.

I don't think it's a fallacy to look at your generation with disdain when compared to previous ones. Sure, there's bias in there, and no generation is perfect, but it's not inherently fallacious. If you want to judge men, you have to judge them according to a standard, and according to how closely (or not) they adhere to that standard. If you have a relatively common set of standards for humanity, the current lot is pretty fucking bad: effeminate, spoiled, entitled, obese, physically weak, etc. Judge their grandfathers by the same standard and, bias or not, it's probably pretty goddamn significant that 40% of them didn't need to attend therapy and learn to cry out their feelings, and didn't think devoting their lives to dressing like women was normal.

>> No.4495906

>>4495896
yes it's called being old
it'll get worse

>> No.4495961
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4495961

What happened to the younger folks is this. Mass media, iCrap, GMO and non foods.

Kids grow up with a computer in there pocket anything they want is at there finger tips instantly. When I was a kid and I needed to know something there was no google so I looked in a book! What a fucking concept, researching and reading real facts about a topic you want to know about.

Maybe 1 in 10 kids reads a novel once a year, that's how it feels when talking to these 16 year old's who only care about alcohol, weed, cocaine, molly's and the iCrap in there pocket.

/Rant

>> No.4495972

Did you see women nowadays they are dancing to negro jazz beats. All the men care about is scoring some alcohol. It seems the violence is getting worse.

>> No.4495982

>>4495961
But in our current age currency has increased immensely there is more information available than ever. If you were to talk to people they would go on about the materialism and petiteness of everyone. The truth is that people are people and that most people could care less about intellectual matters. This does change but what has changed is the literacy rate. The truth more can read than ever.

>> No.4496010

>>4495961
I almost thought this post was serious. GG well played.

>> No.4496013

>>4495904
>No one knows hardship

lol. you wouldn't last one day in my life

>> No.4496021

It's anti-intellectualism's fault, compounded by technological innovations. Used to be that retards went unheard and unseen, now they can broadcast their retarded opinions to the world with the click of a button and all the other retards can clap along with them

>> No.4496027

>>4495961
it always amuses me that people try to make it look like not being able to find the info you need easily was a good thing.
>but muh research!
yes I agree that you should be able to do that. I still think it's retarded that you complain that people can access information easily. I remembered when there was no internet and if I had tangent curiosity about something I could read 10 books about the general subject and hope that my question was addressed. It was shit.
Easily available information is a good thing. It gets used to be assholes on internet forums and procrastinate watching lolcats, not to mention exploited by the wealthy and powerful, but that's a different story.
not even going to reply to "kids don't read and only talk about drugs".

>> No.4496039

>>4496021
This
Just look at /Pol/ or tumblr.

>> No.4496048

>>4496013
he typed into the comment box on 4chan on his computer, enjoying his electricity, internet connection, and leisure time

>> No.4496049

Did you see that motherfucker Socrates talking to those kids in the Agora. The kids these days of Athens are so much worse than In Themistocles was in charge. With their talk of philosophy.

>> No.4496054

>>4496048
the fact that you think this is a relevant argument indicates that you're one of the retards to which I referred

>> No.4496059

>>4496048
>what is psychological suffering

>> No.4496061

Speaking of Greek philosophy, Nicomachean Ethics talks about appropriate behavior, and it's all... rather familiar to me. Nothing's changed. I'm in that generation where people I know are starting to take over the world. It's rather enlightening. I don't think we're really going to be playing Eminem with our kids there like we joked about some years ago.

>> No.4496095

hopefully anti-natalism will catch on soon and we can all stop reproducing like selfish little cunts

>> No.4496113

>>4495510
You're pretty much only going to get NYT articles write by fifty-somethings with titles like "Millenials: What's Up With Them?"

>> No.4496120

>>4495897
>you are see as dumn or u intelligent

My sides have left the building.

>> No.4496128

>>4496021
There is something deeply disturbing in the way half truth and outright lies perpetuate themselves in online circlejerks. Ironically, this shithole of a website is the only place relatively immune because everybody is always at each other's throats.

>> No.4496144

>>4496128
/Pol/ is the perfect example on this site.

>> No.4496164

Read Walt Whitman's "Song of Myself". Then try to call our generation narcissistic.
Read Newton's "Principia." Then try to call our generation autistic.
Then read "Simulacra and Simulation" and understand our generation.

>> No.4496168

>>4496164
How will Simulacra and Simulation help someone to understand the current generation?

>> No.4496169

young people are narcissistic, that's just how it is. every person is narcissistic at some point in their lives in some way

>> No.4496171

>>4496128
tell that to all the racists, sexists, deviants, etc. that are on every damn board

>> No.4496176 [DELETED] 

>>4496171
But those people have a right to post. I'm on the radical left but I think blacks are less intelligent. But sexism is wrong.

>> No.4496178 [DELETED] 

>>4496128
to be fair, niggers are pretty horrible

>> No.4496179

>>4496169
Every person is narcissistic for most of their lives. Narcissism is hard coded into our brains. Every single great religious tradition in history has been nothing but a failed attempt to humans stop from permanently sticking their heads into their anuses.

>> No.4496186

>>4496176
>>4496178
see, no one but the posters themselves can tell whether they're serious or not because people actually think like this

which also brings up ironic shitposting, which deepens the problem exponentially, but that's beside the point

>> No.4496187

>>4496128
It's just the same shit that has ever happened on a bigger scale. It used to be gossip, urban legends, lies etc. became known town wide, now they're world wide.
actually, a lot of this stuff used to get out of hand and spread a lot even before internet.

>> No.4496188

The thing that defines the current generation, or really more the current period, is the conflict between awareness and unawareness. Where before the vague goal was to know as much as possible, now it's equally important to simply be aware of what you don't know. Where before enlightenment was defined as knowing oneself, now it is much more desirable to either lose oneself completely, achieving complete pre-postmodernism, or to become so aware of yourself that you can knowingly bypass the normal flow of consciousness and induce the placebo effect to achieve happiness through a paradoxically self-aware unawareness.

>> No.4496192

>>4495556
>Yes. Ironically, just about every canard frequently thrown at millennials (by boomers) was more applicable - and was applied - to the boomers themselves in their long, long childhood.
I think this best sums it up. Plus, to rebut >>4495522 we don't actually value participation awards. Every kid knows they're bullshit from like 1st grade. Those were given to us by boomer parents, who did so because they wish they had gotten them during their 30 year childhoods

>> No.4496194

>>4495897
>Faliure in the west is not an option and that is the problem.
Hong Xiuquan failed the civil service exam seven times and then led a rebellion that killed 20 million people.

>> No.4496198

>>4496192
>boomer parents
My parents were teens in the 80s and I'm old enough to be on here. My grandparents are boomers.

>> No.4496199

>>4495961
>When I was a kid and I needed to know something there was no google
that was not a good thing. I don't even want to start explaining how retarded you're being

>> No.4496203

>>4496048
>there is no such thing as mental illness

>> No.4496211 [DELETED] 

>>4496186
you think niggers aren't subhumans?

>> No.4496212

>>4495961
You sound like a retard. The one subject-relevant book you had in your house probably didn't have the exact info you wanted. And if you had tons of books, guess what, check your privilege. Getting a computer and an internet connection is much cheaper than buying an encyclopedia, and even the nice ones are pretty general. What, did you go to the library? That just makes it worse. You'd forget what you needed to know, or you'd get out of your zone, or something. There are downsides to the internet, but an overabundance of facts is not one of them.

>> No.4496213

>>4496021
there's also a certain amount of anti-education, which is of course even worse - people that think that education is stupid, and have no faith in the fact that if they worked harder, they would have a better job.

>> No.4496215

>>4496188
Go to bed, Tao.

>> No.4496219

I know it's nostalgia/romanticism in my veins, but, I do wish I could go back to the 90s. Yeah, I was a kid; but, the internet didn't have a complete strangle-hold on everything; and, yeah, TV was still prominent; but, people had to interact more; we didn't have our hands completely held by technology.

Or, whatever -- like, y'know.

>> No.4496220

>>4493672

Actually uses a picture of Vince McMahon to prove a point about generational conflict.

>> No.4496222

>>4496203
he said, not realising that his coal miner great grandfather father was more predisposed to depression and schizoid disorders than him, and didn't puss out and whine about it anyway, and still died of potato famine

>> No.4496227

>>4496144
>>4496171
They're there, but the good thing about 4chan is that your opinion isn't unquestioned the same way. Usually even /pol/ will have feminists and anti-racists.

>> No.4496229

>>4493799

My grandparent got pregnant at 15 and my parent is more vocally obnoxious on the internet than I'll ever be (she posts selfies, too).

This shit is an insult to anybody with irresponsible parents.

(There's more of us than you think)

>> No.4496231

>>4496222
>more predisposed to depression
really?

>> No.4496233

>>4496188
Wait, do young people actually live like sober versions of Tao Lin characters?

>> No.4496236

>>4496211
No, I think your opinions are subhuman

>inb4 backpedaling "hurr durr listen to chris rock, by niggers I specifically mean the ones who fit all my obnoxious criteria, you don't get it lol."

>> No.4496241

>>4496231
yes, it says so in this article of vanity fair

>> No.4496242 [DELETED] 

>>4496211
I think your mom was subhuman because I'm a human and she was under me :DD

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>>4496188
>become so aware of yourself that you can knowingly bypass the normal flow of consciousness and induce the placebo effect to achieve happiness through a paradoxically self-aware unawareness.

>> No.4496252

>>4496213
I think it's legitimate to get jaded at organized education for a variety of reasons, one of which is this belief that you should get a phd to be better at pushing pens.

>> No.4496255

>>4496243
It's syntactically clunky, but you know what I mean. I meant like, becoming so self-aware that you are aware of the physical and mental detriment of certain aspects of your self-awareness and then calibrate the exact level of your self-awareness to a degree to which you can enjoy the benefits but not the detriments. This is, of course, unattainable because the placebo effect doesn't work if you're constantly contemplating its implications.

>> No.4496258

>>4495904
Someone's uncomfortable with their sexuality

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>>4496258

>Disagrees with me?
>That homophobe must be GAY

>> No.4496267

>>4496233
'Sober' might not be the operative word here.

>> No.4496274

The real issue is that globalization/technology have destroyed tradition and rendered the journey of the individual meaningless.

>> No.4496285

>>4495904
>The homeless live better than well-off working classmen of previous eras.
Dude, the homeless live really shittily. Even in homeless-friendly cities like San Francisco, their lives are pretty fucking miserable. Urban poverty remains one of the most serious issues in the United States.

>> No.4496286

>>4496010
Same. Very subtle. Good work.

>> No.4496288

I'm a 29 y/o 3rd world dweller. If I were to generalize something it will be that loneliness, isolation and depression are steadily increasing.

Hopefully, I'm not just projecting.

>> No.4496292

>>4496267
Not sober, I guess. But obviously the average person isn't off doing shitloads of prescription drugs every day.

>> No.4496299

>>4496255
Again, go to bed, Tao.

>> No.4496303

>>4496274

Yeah

>> No.4496306

>>4495904
>you have to judge them according to a standard
do you? we are constantly improving our standard of living so it seems pointless to compare the current generation to previous ones.

>it's probably pretty goddamn significant that 40% of them didn't need to attend therapy and learn to cry out their feelings
it's not that they were tougher and so they didn't seek out a therapist. they didn't seek out help because they would have seemed weak and psychology and other forms of therapy were not accepted the same way that they are today. we also didn't identify ptsd during ww2. it was shellshock in ww1 and battle fatigue in ww2. things change. we are improving and becoming more accepting.

>didn't think devoting their lives to dressing like women was normal
once again, things are changing. it's not that no one was gay in previous generations. they just were not accepted. although if you are just talking about tight pants then you are stupid. men used to wear tights and wigs. fashion changes. also we are healthier on average now than we've ever been. people are living longer. idk what standard you are talking about when judging physical strength.

>> No.4496310

>>4496306
>do you? we are constantly improving our standard of living

>The only viable metric on which to judge a person is the standard of living that they enjoy

Fuck you. I'm not even reading the rest of your post.

Fuck you.

>> No.4496323 [DELETED] 

>>4496236
no i meant all black people are subhuman. i don't see how any intelligent white person could disagree

>> No.4496325

>>4496255
If you are that self aware though it then would become very hard to undo and you probably would not be able to trick yourself into a less aware state. You would realize that you were just kidding yourself.

>> No.4496334

>>4496310
>The only viable metric on which to judge a person is the standard of living that they enjoy

That's the exact opposite of what I said.

>> No.4496367

>>4496325
That's the postmodern paradox. Becoming so aware of yourself and of the world that you realize that ignorance is better for you because of the placebo effect, only to realize that by the time you're aware enough to know that it's too late to switch off your consciousness. It's like becoming aware of your blinking, except it's constant.

>> No.4496379

>84 posts and 5 image replies omitted
fine, elephant in the room:
what do the mechanical parts of that thing do

>> No.4496381

i blame the fact that anyone remotely intelligent is derided with various le epic maymays such as fedora tipping

the dumber you are the cooler you are, you everyone aims to be dumb

>> No.4496391

>>4496381
the fedora tip thing has nothing to do with being intelligent as such and everything to do with certain fairly specific views and actions

yr being ridiculous and salty

>> No.4496395

There's nothing new under the sun. The same problems have been encountered since the beginning of consciousness and the same questions have been posed since the beginning of thought. The only difference is that the problems we encounter are through a different means. For instance, someone today might be addicted to pornography and think about sex all the time. Go read St. Augustine's Confessions and you'll see a man struggling with the same things.

>> No.4496400

>>4492963

you went too far

you have a point, but exceeded its use

>> No.4496402

>>4496391
originally, that was true. but now it is mos definitely used against anything intelligent or 'edgy' (read: anything i don't like)

i made a thread about schopenhauer the other day and got various tips

>> No.4496405

>>4492963
>like have sex and families.

appalling. what selfish, heinous cunts

>> No.4496407

>>4495961

>regression of society

we will adjust to this new technology

>> No.4496408

>>4496323
What do you even mean by subhuman?

They're biologically humans. This vague terminology is getting you nowhere.

>> No.4496414 [DELETED] 

>>4496408
they're animals i.e. subhumans

>> No.4496416

>>4496222
Guess what man: people who have went through hardship, if they're wise, don't want anyone else to go through hardship. They're not jealous or angry that anyone else is happy. It makes them happy. But, wisdom is a rare trait.

If they're not wise, they use their hardship to justify their shitty personality and to hate other people.

And then there's faggots like you who are neither of these because you haven't went through this hardship you're speaking of.

>> No.4496417

>>4496402
>>4496391
it was retarded from the get go, just FYI

>> No.4496418

>>4496416
there's some palpable irony in this post

>> No.4496421

>>4496414
So, knowing that they are biologically and genetically human, your criteria must be something more abstract. What are they?

>> No.4496422

>>4496417
no shit, but now it's even worse. the people that use it consider it a genuine dismissal of idealogies, too, saving them from doing any actual thinking

>> No.4496424 [DELETED] 

>>4496417
He said authoritatively, flicking the brim of his fedora and raising his flank for a fart.

>> No.4496426 [DELETED] 

>>4496421
scum who should be eradicated for the good of the white race who are superior in every way

>> No.4496429

>>4496021

>single-causation

>> No.4496430

>>4496418
I never said I was wise. I wish I was wise. But the only thing I hate is pretentious jerks milking hardships to put down other people, when I know some humble old people who have gone through some shit and still don't feel angry that people are happy.

That's the only thing that would get them angry.

>> No.4496432

>>4496426
No, no. Your criteria. What are your criteria?

Where is the human/subhuman line of demarcation? If it's not rooted in biology, where is it? What makes it valid?

>> No.4496433

>>4496424
that's funny because only stupid people fart

>> No.4496435

>>4496429
>It's anti-intellectualism's fault, compounded by technological innovations.
>single-causation

learn to read

>> No.4496438

>>4496432
please leave him alone

>> No.4496439

>>4496433
>tfw Joyce will never fuck all the naughty little farties out of you

>> No.4496441

>>4496432
morals

>> No.4496444

>>4496438
If you don't find this kind of stuff stimulating 4chan probably sin for you

>> No.4496446

>>4496441
Which morals?

>> No.4496483 [DELETED] 

>>4496433
Are you saying you've never farted, or that you yourself are stupid?

>> No.4496487

>>4496439
What would it be like to have Hitler shit on your chest as the shells rock the Fuhrerbunker?

>> No.4496495

>>4496487
Unpleasant

>> No.4496496

>>4496483
I Have No Anus And I Must Fart

>> No.4496501

>>4496446
mine

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>>4496501
do your morals involve any oscillation

>> No.4496510

>>4496507
negative

>> No.4496511

>>4496495
I think it would be thrilling in a sort of subdued way

Like a ghost story

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>>4496510
do you appreciate the subtleties of taste buds

>> No.4497707

Dealing reminder that our generation will be defined by boomers projecting thier own faults on our generation while keeping us out of political and economic power (not like its intentional or anything, just kind of worked out that way because of their immense size) and bringing in massive immigration to make up for the fact that the modern generation is too poor/bitter/autistic to even have enough kids to replace itself (don't care what your opinions about race or immigration are, this is still something that needs adressed).

If you aren't writing a book about these themes you're probably behind on the times

>> No.4499421

>>4497707
Boomers are already on their way to irrelevance, I don't understand why we're still blaming them for everything.

Cultural hegemony has already shifted to Gen X

>> No.4499485

>>4496379
not much yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m_yjmqYlaY

>> No.4499571

>>4499421
Not really, they're still almost in a daze.

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4499582

Said silt to soil.

>> No.4499584

I regret not having known the days when girls, in the streets of our cities, along country roads, swooned over soldiers... the prestige of the uniform. Nowdays they swoon over sports cars. Nowdays, young businessmen, young executives, young professionals have replaced the military. I'm not sure it's an improvement.

>> No.4499588

What were meant to be men grew into masturbaters, paralyzed by fear.

>> No.4499592

>>4499584
>swooning over brainwashed murder robots
>swooning over brainwashed paper collectors
yeah, they're both lame

>> No.4499598

>>4496274
Tradition and the journey will never cease, but they will change their form.

>> No.4499623

>>4495904

Let me tell ya something. Nowadays, everybody's gotta go to shrinks, and counselors, and go on "Sally Jessy Raphael" and talk about their problems. What happened to Gary Cooper? The strong, silent type. That was an American. He wasn't in touch with his feelings. He just did what he had to do. See, what they didn't know was once they got Gary Cooper in touch with his feelings that they wouldn't be able to shut him up! And then it's dysfunction this, and dysfunction that, and dysfunction vaffancul!

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>>4499588
It is only the weak at mind who could so easily dismiss an entire generation, and it is only the fearful who refuse to seek exception in their dismissal.

>> No.4499635

>>4499625
True, sometimes I make posts that are completely against what I actually believe just to sound cool/deep, I guess it's a form of cognitive dissonance or just straight up internet glib.

>> No.4499669

>>4499635
It's fine man, I'm just defensive of my masturbation.

>> No.4499713

>What's there to say about our generation?

Not much, we're more of a transitional generation. We haven't left any kind of mark or done anything great for humanity.

>> No.4501151
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>>4499623

>> No.4501178

>>4496168
It won't. Baudrillard was a hack.

>> No.4501187

>>4499713

Just because you didn't participate doesn't mean no one else did.

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>>4496381
>Fedora tipping
was originally aimed at the circlejerk hivemind that is internet-atheism. People who, after having watched 20 videos by TheAmazingAtheist decide to define themselves by, and feel superior to others because of their belief that there is no such thing as god, which is of course a valid point of view, but not something to get arrogant about.

While I don't have a problem with the position itself, I have made the observation that while religious people argue that 'this is their view, and here is why they believe that it is the truth', atheits tend to just proclaim that 'this is the truth, and if you don't agree then you are subhuman trash!', and that kind of bullshit seriously pisses me off.

>> No.4501236

>>4501208
>religious people argue that 'this is the truth and and if you don't agree you will burn in hell'

Stop deluding yourself you biased fuck. Religous people aren't ambiguous. They fully believe they're right. They might say some secular bullshit like "everyone has a right to different beliefs" but ultimately in the back of their hands it's "lol jk fucking heathens what I believe is right".

>> No.4501244

>>4501236
Right, plus everyone who doesn't agree is doomed to hell for all eternity. Very fucking " live and let live".
Radical atheism is an equal and opposite reaction to Radical religion.

>> No.4501250

>>4501236
I wasn't talking about what they think. I was talking about what they say. Radical atheists are more openly arrogant and consequently more annoying.

>> No.4501252

>>4501236
>>4501244

I just want you guys to be happy. That's all. I'd love it if you would accept Christ, but I'm not going to force it on you. I love you either way.

>> No.4501256

>>4501252
Gag me with a spoon

>> No.4501265

>>4501236
Wasn't the idea to be an atheist to 'one up' the Christfags in spirituality? Or is to be a "i'll do what I want" nihilistic edgemaster cartman clone contradicted by his own conscience? Isn't the idea with an atheist movement to show the Christtards how their institution needs to evolve, to have a rightful place in the world of tomorrow? Am I just a deluded faggot?

>> No.4501275

>>4501265
>the idea of being an atheist
This is analgous to the idea of not believing in unicorns.

>> No.4501278

>>4501275
Stop the semantics you know what I mean.

>> No.4501284

>>4501265
Really, atheists exist independently.
I think that as far as "one--upping" you are thinking of Satanists.
But their gial is much deeper and yet also a bit of a troll.

>> No.4501285

most of atheists don't know the difference between not believing and believing in absence

>> No.4501295

>>4501284
Satanists are edgemaster libertines. No I'm talking about stripping yourself of dogma in order to seek the truly sacred.

>> No.4501297 [DELETED] 

>>4501285
Most Christians can't conceive of the mindboggling idea that their god is just a Stone-Age myth.
It's ok. It'sort of like the flat earth thing, or the Earth rotating the sun. Future generations won't struggle so much with the concept.

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>>4501297
And this is what fedora tipping was invented for.

>> No.4501305

>>4501295
Hmm.... I guess maybe Taoists?
Also animists might fit this description, but I think most atheists don't give a fuck about what is sacred.
You've got Satanists wrong by the way... they are very interested in what is sacred.

>> No.4501306

>>4501285
I'm blind to god, I really can't see him in my everyday life.

>> No.4501308

>>4501285
>>4501303
You wanna make a comment about Kitty's snotty post?

>> No.4501315

>>4501305
>Hmm.... I guess maybe Taoists?

That's actually what I'm looking into right now. The concept of animism is also very interesting to me, because I work in technology.

Satanists are a bit off to me though, I must admit I haven't looked far into to it. In what sense sacred?

>> No.4501320

>>4501315
Satanists hold children and nature sacred...
They seem to see Satan as a symbolic representation of the animal side of humanity (thus the hedonism)(as sacred)...
They are oddly resistant to the argument that their religion is dependent on Xtian mythology, at least the ones that I have been around.
In a way, it feels like a big troll by Anton Levey, but to make a point, which is why I thought of it.

>> No.4501323

"Yes, that is true, Prince. In our days," continued Vera—mentioning "our days" as people of limited intelligence are fond of doing, imagining that they have discovered and appraised the peculiarities of "our days" and that human characteristics change with the times—"in our days a girl has so much freedom that the pleasure of being courted often stifles real feeling in her. And it must be confessed that Natalie is very susceptible." This return to the subject of Natalie caused Prince Andrew to knit his brows with discomfort: he was about to rise, but Vera continued with a still more subtle smile:

>> No.4501328

>>4501297
no it is not
it's easy to disprove flat earth conception since it's falsifiable but to disprove god is impossible since it's unfalsifiable
therefore if you claim that god doesn't exist your claim isn't more 'scientific' than claim that god exists, you basically believe in absence of god

>> No.4501330

>>4501308
I make a point of not replying to tripfags.

Anonymous discussion offers us the chance to judge arguments based on their own merits, without getting tangled up in identities, reputations and social considerations, and tripfaggotry is opposed to that idea.

>> No.4501341

>>4501328
So you beive in abscense of unicorns, harpies, dragons, mermaids and elves?
What a lot of beliefs you must have!!!

>> No.4501346

>>4501330
Respect.

>> No.4501394

>>4499713
This isn't how it works

>> No.4501399

>>4501341
all of those are falsifiable

>> No.4501406

3...2...1...GO!
Prove to me that fairies don't exist.

>> No.4501449

>>4501341
yes, we all are full of beliefs
usually it works like you believe in a certain picture of the world and don't believe in anything which doesn't fit it. you may think that your belief is scientific but if so you don't understand how science works. science doesn't deny unfalsifiable conceptions, it just doesn't have any opinion on them, it ignores them aiming for simpler explanations but it deems them as potentially possible. so yes, science doesn't deny unicorns (unless you claim that they live in some area and you can meet them there which is falsifiable) and wardrobes which can lead you to the land of elves, it's your beliefs which deny them

>Suppose I were to set up the hypothesis that tables, whenever no one is looking, turn into kangaroos; this would make the laws of physics very complicated, but no observation could refute it.

(c) bertrand russell (that guy who invented russell's teapot)

>> No.4501483

>>4501449
Hey, if you are willing to base your life on a hypothesis, more power to you!
Let's just be very, very clear that's what you're doing.

>> No.4501487

>>4501483
but everybody bases their life on a some system of beliefs

>> No.4501495

>>4501483
Have you heard of Pascal's wager?

>> No.4501503

>>4501495
Pls lets not go there. Pascal's wager presupposes it is viable to believe there is heaven and hell the mechanics of this is even disputed among theologians.

>> No.4501510

>>4501503
enjoy hell

>> No.4501514

>>4501487
Do you mean culture, honey?
Most of us don't base our lives on mythology in this day and age... but yes, culture has a great deal of influence.
Just don't try to tell me that me not buying your hypothesis that tables turn into kangaroos when we're not looking is a belief in itself.

>> No.4501520

>>4501510
>implying a magical fire prison is real

>> No.4501522

>>4501514
it is though
induction isn't a valid form of proof
welcome to the 21st century, enjoy your stay

>> No.4501523

aside from the losers who post on 4chan etc. to be honest the current generation seems far superior to the past couple imo

>> No.4501524

>>4501510
There is no hell there's just nirvana, nothing, perfect calmness and balance, nothing to enjoy or suffer, nothing at all.

>> No.4501526

>>4501524
actually there is a hell
source: hell

>> No.4501529

>>4501514
You don't know what mythology is. We are so superstitious like cavemen with shiny electric "magic" toys. Ask your parents how the tv or a computer works and their answers will be close to that of genesis in correctness.

>> No.4501532

>>4501523
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss–Howe_generational_theory

If these guys are to be believed (which is suspect) then our generation will be akin to the Greatest Generation.

>> No.4501535

>>4501522
Well I shit rainbows.
Now YOU are either going to have to believe that, or believe that I DON'T shit rainbows.
I am prepared to give you many more belief inducing statements, so you'd better get out your notebook.

>> No.4501540

>>4501532
Are you speaking of Gen X?
Cuz I think Millenials are more like Boomers...

>> No.4501541

>>4501514
no, i mean your world view
if you unequivocally deny something unfalsifiable which doesn't fit your world outlook you do it because it contradicts your beliefs how this world works

>> No.4501542

>>4501529
To be fair if put on the spot I don't think I could give a competent answer.n

>> No.4501546

>>4501535
I believe you don't shit rainbows
don't really know why I'd write anything down
or how this in anyway relates to the conversation

you seem very stupid

>> No.4501552

>>4501540
No according to these guys' theory our trajectory will be similar to that of the GI generation

>> No.4501559

Our generation isn't really that different from other generations, but we're plugged into things that elevate us mentally. I think somebody said the internet is like acid. Maybe it was timothy leary.

We still are a lot more self-absorbed than any generation from the past. To be confident means to be self-obsessed to the point of pathology. Andy Warhol was right too.

I guess we are "far superior", like the other anon suggested, but at the same time not really. Many of us deserve to die alone, but won't.

>> No.4501569

>>4501542
Ok let me extrapolate a little mythology is the aggregate story we tell, to make sense of the world around us. My ancestors the Vikings believed that thunder was Thor rolling over clouds in his chariot and lightning was the power of mjöllnir. You have probably heard that one before. It's faulty to believe that we have rid ourselves of superstitious beliefs every scientific explanation that might be wrong (all of them they are what we believe until falsified) is in fact mythology. As society increases in complexity with huge exchanges of information flows (pop sci in the media) in a pace that ordinary people can't keep pace with because they have their own shit to deal with is in fact increasing the generation of false 'social truths' that is just as wrong as scientific explanations as the bible. You wouldn't believe the amount of non religious bullshit people believe in nowadays.

>> No.4501595

...Aaand we're back on "Beliefs": the show where you canly believe, and non-belief doesn't exist!

Next up a list of things that you can either:
A) believe in
or
B)believe aren't real

Remember, not believing in any of these things is NOT an option!

Heeere we go!

1)Human babies can fly!

2)Erasers have souls!

3)Mermaids rule the world!

What do you believe?

>> No.4501636

>>4501595

you are stupid. firstly, do you have any conception of what falsifiability is

>Human babies can fly!
>Mermaids rule the world!

it's falsifiable. well, unless you state that babies fly only when nobody sees them and mermaids rule the world disguised as humans i.e. at some point a human leader is replaced by his mermaid double or something like that

then, you still don't understand how science deal with unfalsifiable concepts. you ignored the third option when such conceptions are thought as possible but ignored as being unprovable and too complicated (occam's razor).
ordinary people would mostly deny all 3 claims basing on their common sense (which is basically their world view beliefs)

well, it's clear that you don't have a mind of scientist

>> No.4501638

>>4501595
That's such bullshit. You also only believe that the scientific explanation of gravity is true. You'd be an idiot not to since the theory of gravity can predict sufficiently precise outcomes when you drop a ball. It's still belief none the less. The question becomes what do you believe in and why. Non belief is futile as it amounts to "I don't know" if you don't wanna risk a black swan.

>> No.4501670

>>4501636
Obviously it's all when you can't see them, or they're invisible, like "god".

Point is you've got some new beliefs now.

>> No.4501680

>>4501670
you don't get new beliefs when you refuse anything which doesn't fit your current ones

and yet again, you forget the science way

>> No.4501681

>>4501636
Lady, we are talking about religious beliefs, not science.
The mind of a scientist has no place in a discussion of an invisible mythological entity.

>> No.4501688

>>4501680
No: you don't "not" belive them: you believe that they aren't true.
Subtly difference, but you'll get it.

>> No.4501701

>>4501638
Honestly, I'm not that hung up on belief.
You can worry about "believing in gravity"... I'll just go with what my experience tells me.

>> No.4501705

>>4499625
John Lennon made a similar point in 'Working Class Hero'. Was he also weak-minded?