/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4492340]

I'm trying to make a home library of books that are generally right-winged or anti-left-winged in nature, and I'm looking for any good suggestions people can offer. What I'm planning on picking up so far-
>Fashionable Nonsense
>1984
>Animal Farm
>Atlas Shrugged
>Fountainhead
>Brave New World
>Lord of the Flies
>A Clockwork Orange
>Fahrenheit 451
>The World Inside
>Flow My Tears the Policeman Said
>A Scanner Darkly
>The Man in the High Castle
>VALIS
>The Penultimate Truth
>Memoirs Found in a Bathtub
>We
>a Bible, and The Art of War, just for good measure
I know some of the books on the list are written by leftists or whatever, but the messages that get pushed all have a very right-winged nature about them. Can /lit/ suggest anything?

[Anonymous No.4492345]

inb4 bitching about the definition of right-wing vs left-wing

I'll post an guide in a sec

[Anonymous No.4492344]

>>4492340
fashionable nonsense is not "anti-left-wing." neither are 1984 and animal farm.

[Anonymous No.4492346]

Neo 4chan brainwashing at its finest. You really need that "Right wing" label, don't you.

[Anonymous No.4492349]

>Philip K. Dick
>right-winged
Ok then.

[Anonymous No.4492352]

Orwell fought alongside the Republicans during the Spanish Civil War. He was a self-proclaimed socialist.
Read Homage to Catalonia.

[Anonymous No.4492355]

>>4492340
>1984
>Animal Farm
>Fahrenheit 451
>The Man in the High Castle

>right-wing or anti-left-wing

Seriously though why limit yourself like that? I'm guessing you're 'right-winged', but it's really silly to just reinforce your on view point instead of discovering alternate ones as well.

good 1

[Anonymous No.4492360]

>>4492355
It's such crap that everyone needs to be on one side, or even exist along the left-right spectrum.

Thank you for proving that you're one of the last level-headed boards left, /lit/.

[Anonymous No.4492362]

>>4490487

[Anonymous No.4492363]

>my identity is the most important thing

wow

[Anonymous No.4492375]

>Mein Kampf
>The World According to Clarkson

[Anonymous No.4492379]

>>4492355
This. If you're right wing you should challenge yourself once in a while and seek out left wing literature, if you're an atheist you should read something by religious authors and vise versa.
But the rule of thumb is; This shouldn't really matter when you seek knowledge or literary entertainment. You should never go "Gee, that work seems really interesting but it's written by a -insert political and/or religious ideology here- so I'm not going to read it".

[Anonymous No.4492386]

is there truly no right-wing erotic fiction?

[Anonymous No.4492392]

>>4492379
I mentioned in the OP that the library I wanted to build up was meant to be in this particular form, I understand that it's not totally fair to call it all "right-winged" but that is still how I see it, more or less. Maybe centrist or libertarian or something would be more fitting, I have no fucking clue.
Is there nothing /lit/ can see similar between the books I've mentioned, at all? No constant theme or statement?

[Anonymous No.4492406]

>>4492340
Honoré de Balzac (all).
Dostoevsky (Demons).
Joseph de Maistre (St. Petersburg Dialogues).
Yukio Mishima, of course.
And everything written in the Antiquity will be kind of "right-winged".

[Anonymous No.4492411]

>>4492406
What is "right-wing" anyway? Because "The Republic" calls for some extreme authoritarianism.

[Anonymous No.4492415]

>>4492411
What does not believe that men are naturally equal, this is right-wing.

[Anonymous No.4492416]

>>4492392
No, because you're looking at a fluid and complex world in terms of simple labels.

[Anonymous No.4492422]

>1984
>Animal farm
Right-wing? Are you an idiot? Anyone who has read Orwell's 'Down and out in Paris and London' knows that Orwell was a socialist, and not an authoritarian communist or a rightwing dude.

[Anonymous No.4492432]

You do realize that George Orwell was a socialist with anarchist sympathies. The reason he wrote 1984 was to protest the Soviet Union not left wing politics in general. You probably not heard of Homage to Catelonia.

[Anonymous No.4492481]

>>4492415
Oh, where I come from "right wing" means "anti-authoritarian," basically.

[I love the liberal elite No.4492495]

>>4492481
You come from Venus? Right-wing has never meant anti-authoritarian. Generally, Right-wing = people who don't believe in social engineering or who don't believe we should practise it. In pretty much every country, it comes down to that.

[Anonymous No.4492499]

>>4492481
Since USSR is dead, many leftists are anti-authoritarian these days...

[Anonymous No.4492505]

>>4492495
Huh? What the hell is "social engineering" and how far into the past can you trace the consciousness of the right about that particular issue?

[Anonymous No.4492506]

>>4492495
And social engineering lies on the belief that all men can be changed, because all men are equal, like a blank page you can write on.
This is the essential left-wing belief.

[Anonymous No.4492517]

Right Wing supports social hierarchy or contends it is natural. This hierarchy is either sustained through authoritarian or non-authoritarian.
The left generally is opposed to the social hierarchy and opposes it through authoritarian and non-authoritarian means.

[Anonymous No.4492521]

>>4492506
No. Social engineering does not believe that. Social engineering is not even an ideology, it does not prescribe anything. It's a process, a tool, a function.

No, modern leftist thought to not believe that all men are equal. People are inherently unequal in the way that have different emotional abilities, cognitive abilities and other tangible and intangible assets. They believe that all OUTCOMES should become more equal. The rightwing believes to just leave everything as it is and just accept the harsh inequalities. Leftists want to make those inequalities less harsh and defining.

[Anonymous No.4492539]

>>4492481
That's not how it works anywhere in the world outside of your bubble.

[Anonymous No.4492545]

>>4492481
So the Spanish anarchists were right wing and the Nazis were die hard leftists.

I think OP might be underage.

[Anonymous No.4492550]

>>4492545
This kid clearly has no concept of any of these terms outside the recent trend of "Left=Social Justice Warrior=Evil".

[Anonymous No.4492554]

>>4492550
Give him a break though, at least he's trying.

[Anonymous No.4492555]

>>4492550
Not him, but he didn't necessarily denigrate authoritarianism.

[Anonymous No.4492562]

>>4492554
I find it fucking horrifying that this whole wave is actually shaping peoples' worldviews, though.

[Anonymous No.4492564]

>>4492550
Haha yes. I think he might be reading a bit too much /pol/. I'm a conservative myself but it is absurd to suggest that right wing is equivalent to anti-authoritarianism and left wing is equivalent to authoritarianism. When movements in history that can be described as left or right function both in authoritarian and non-authoritarian ways.

[Anonymous No.4492567]

>>4492495
>>4492499
>>4492539
>>4492545
I'm not OP, I'm just saying that everyone who calls themselves right-wing around me decries the evils of government at every opportunity.
On a very related note, I need a good intro into political science/philosophy.

[Anonymous No.4492575]

>>4492567
Shit, I just realized though, if they had their way abortion and contraception and gay marriage would be legal or non-issues and I don't think they would like that.

[Anonymous No.4492576]

>>4492521
You forgot about

Rightwing is Might = right if you are in power you are free to do what you want (but of course only the best are in power, right guys?)

Left wing is merit = right if you can prove your ability by acceptance of others you may lead or do leading functions. There's no formal inherent power.

[Anonymous No.4492584]

>>4492583
Explain further.

[Anonymous No.4492583]

>>4492562
It's called recession.

[Anonymous No.4492589]

>>4492583
No, it's called the internet. Irrational, stupid views are destroying society. Authority is very much needed. The problem is that everyone thinks now that they are an authority on some or every subject..

[Anonymous No.4492591]

>>4492575
Bingo. They just decry the evils of a government that they happen to disagree with, which is what everyone does.

[Anonymous No.4492595]

>>4492567
Where are you from? I'm from Spain and my family is radical leftist and we detest the government. Hell my my Great Grandfather was anarchist involved in a worker run factory during the Civil War years.

[Anonymous No.4492598]

Just read these
http://www.goodreads.com/list/tag/conservative

[Anonymous No.4492602]

>>4492595
He's probably an Amerifat brainwashed by his parents who in turn were brainwashed by Reagan.

[Anonymous No.4492603]

>>4492583
>the recession was caused by deregulation of the banks, essentially
Okay.
>conservatives
>businesses should be free to do what they want even when it destroys the economy

[Anonymous No.4492617]

>>4492602
No, I'm an Amerifat who holds no real opinions or knowledge on anything because I don't pay attention very well.

[Anonymous No.4492625]

>>4492603
No the recession was caused by lazy and irresponsible people. Liberals cannot into common sense...

[Anonymous No.4492630]

>>4492625
b8
do not reply

[Anonymous No.4492631]

>>4492602
>1984
>Libertarian book
George Orwell said he detested capitalism and he took a bullet while fighting with a Trotskyist party this man needs to stop being co-opted by the libertarians.

[Anonymous No.4492633]

>>4492625
Regardless of who you're talking about, pointing at a group with blanket accusations destroys the credibility of your argument.

[Anonymous No.4492639]

>>4492598
Lesbian Jewish fiction.
Wait what how is this even related to the topic.

[Anonymous No.4492641]

>>4492630
If you work hard enough, you can make it. I think our generation is just too entitled.

[Anonymous No.4492640]

>>4492564
See, people? Individuals of all views can get along if they don't demonize things and think rationally and critically.

[Anonymous No.4492643]

Are we witnessing the birth of an entirely distinct political generation here?

[Anonymous No.4492647]

>>4492639
Shlomo is reeling them in/
>>4492631
Meant this
>>4492598
For this.

[Anonymous No.4492648]

>>4492641


working hard enough to make it implies that we all have equal potential. since this is not the case, it is infact a cruelty (or an invitation of disaster) to try and induce people who arnt not fit for a given station to rise to that station.

[Anonymous No.4492650]

>>4492639
I guess because Jews are religious and conservatives are religious?

[Anonymous No.4492654]

>>4492643
Yes, It would be interesting to see how the internet plays a role in this all.

[Anonymous No.4492662]

>>4492650
WELL THE JEWISH COMMUNISTS KIKES OBVIOUSLY WANT TO MISLEAD YOUNG CONSERVATIVES DOWN THE PATH OF HOT LESBO JEWISH CONSERVATIVES.

[Anonymous No.4492663]

>>4492641
>>4492648
That doesn't have anything to do with the main cause of the recession.

[Anonymous No.4492679]

>>4492375
>mfw

sage because this thread was already posted on /pol/

[Anonymous No.4492683]

>>4492625
>separation of commercial and investment banking passed by republican congress
>american dream down payment assistance act passed and iraq war started by republican congress
>war on terror and patriot act started and passed by split senate and republican house and republican president
>the recession is the fault of those stupid liberals and lazy mexicans

[Anonymous No.4492692]

>>4492683
Good goy for listening so well to mister ivory-tower professor

[Anonymous No.4492704]

>>4492692
>antisemitism
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
get the fuck outta here

[Anonymous No.4492708]

>>4492654
Propagating poorly researched word of mouth, emotionally polarizing disinformation is what it's going to do.

Pic related. This entire movement in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.4492709]

>>4492692
>Don't listen to experts
>read this blog instead
>listen to anonymous people with no accountability if they are wrong
>listen to talk radio
>watch the "news" instead

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4492770]

if you're not allergic to non-anglophone lit you should try some right-wing french writters. there is a big fight between traditionnalist right winged authors and the left winged ones going on since the revolution here in 1789. as a result, there's a loooot of books from the both sides. there are some books you should looking for :

20th century :
-Louis Ferdinand Celine, Journey to the end of the night
-Drieu la Rochelle, Gilles
-Leon Bloy, Despairing

19th century :
-Barbey d'Aurevilly, The She-Devils
-Villiers de l'Isle-Adam, Sardonic Tales
-Joris-Karl Huysmans, Against the Grain

[Anonymous No.4492771]

>>4492692
I figured this shit out myself, it doesn't take a genius.

[Anonymous No.4492826]

>>4492770


joseph de maistre is also a requirement id say.

anyone should look into rene guenon aswell, even for just his cultural historiography. if you thought jung was syncretic, you havent seen anything yet.

[Anonymous No.4492880]

>>4492340
>1984
>Animal Farm
>Brave New World
>A Clockwork Orange
>Fahrenheit 451

>thinking literally any of these are anti-left or "have a very right-winged nature"

You are either insane or an idiot.

[Anonymous No.4492911]

>>4492880
also fucking VALIS and A Scanner Darkly would make any mildly right-winged person shit themselves.

[Anonymous No.4492912]

>>4492880
Say hello to the average denizen of this era's 4chan.

[Anonymous No.4492936]

>>4492912
He's right though.

I literally can't comprehend how anyone could think 1984 and Animal Farm, books written by a self-proclaimed socialist, are "anti-left".

[Anonymous No.4492957]

>>4492936
Because these people literally are idiots. That's all there is to it. Some people on tumblr or something apparently made themselves to be leftist. And then everyone dropped every shred of logic and everything they believed on the spot, clinging to "the right" just so they wouldn't be associated with a few bad apples. It's the kind or retardation you only hear about in legend.

[Anonymous No.4492961]

>>4492708
Never said it was going to be an entirely positive.

[Anonymous No.4492983]

>>4492708
It's a lot like how it was in the late 70s/early 80s.

[Anonymous No.4492986]

>>4492983
How so?

[Anonymous No.4493008]

>>4492986
The whole punk attitude. Suddenly, everyone was a loud mouthed contrarian with less than 1/3 of the scene knowing anything on what they were talking about. It's latching on to a cause for fashion's sake, to rebel for the sake of rebellion.

[Anonymous No.4493019]

I genuinely believe Ray Bradbury was a communist or at the very least an anti-capitalist.

[Anonymous No.4493038]

>>4493008
Remember when 4chan was rebellious, but because they saw the nonsense of clinging onto something? When the the rebellion itself wasn't a trend, but something that was thought out?

[Anonymous No.4493042]

>>4493019
He was an old school conservative which pretty much used to be what is now called liberal, at least when it comes to US politics.

[Anonymous No.4493055]

>>4493038
That was before the recession.
Youth culture tends to get a bit retarded during recession. Everything gets black and white and you feel the need to shout out your frustrations, apparently.

[Anonymous No.4493064]

>>4493055
That's exactly what's happening. Before, it was fairly common knowledge that things are anything but black and white. Are you referring to a cultural recession, or literally economic?

[Anonymous No.4493124]

>>4493064
>Are you referring to a cultural recession, or literally economic
Is there a difference? The two are so intertwined you could measure one based on the other. There's an economic model out there that measures where we're at based on how many tower cranes are up in a community at a given time and another that factors in trends in bankers ties/bow ties.

[Anonymous No.4493160]

>>4493042
It's just that in the Martian chronicles he identifies what a future society should be: life being the propagation of life, and he definitely contrasted that with America.

Not only this, but his world in Fahrenheit 451 was eerily similar to what we are starting to see today, showing that he understood the natural inevitability of the current regime.

But you might be right maybe he was within the political sphere and I'm connecting dots that shouldn't be connected

[Anonymous No.4493161]

>>4493124
>factors in trends in bankers ties/bow ties.
I tried looking, I can't find it. Link/summarize?

[Anonymous No.4493178]

>>4493160
Also there was one quote in particular in Fahrenheit 451 that mentioned the main character was essentially just two parts, one hot and one cold, and this could definitely be a direct reference to the splitting of the political sphere and the civilian sphere as postulated by Karl himself.

Plus Ray really liked communist nations, that China play, you know.

[Anonymous No.4493185]

>>4492340
>but the messages that get pushed all have a very right-winged nature about them

Nice try idiot, kill urself

[Anonymous No.4493194]

>some random /pol/tards makes a /pol/tier post
>/lit/ casually and rationally explains why he's talking shit
>constructive discussion ensues
I love you /lit/, you're among the last sane boards.

[Anonymous No.4493200]

>>4493161
I forget where I read it but the article put forward a rule of thumb that you can tell where we are economically by looking at how bankers dress themselves.
When the ties/bow ties are conservative and feature damp colors the message is to play it safe, but as the money increases, so does the boldness in the shapes and colors of their decorative attire.

[Anonymous No.4493202]

>>4493194
We're usually terrible, this thread is an anomaly.

[Anonymous No.4493210]

>>4493200
That's pretty cool. It might also explain why all the tellers near me are wearing clothes which actually fit, too.
What is it with low-tier bankers and ill-fitting clothes.

[Anonymous No.4493213]

>>4493210
Not tellers, I mean, bankers. All the middle management types you see if you go while the bank is opening. They usually dress absolutely awfully.

[Anonymous No.4493229]

>>4493213
They're not well off enough to afford a custom tailored suit at middle management level?

[Anonymous No.4493276]

>>4493229
They can pay for alterations of off-the-shelf suits. They're not that expensive.