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http://www.metamodernism.org/

>> No.4466605

No thanks.

>> No.4466613

This guy's a fucking genius.

>> No.4466614

What the fuck is this?

Defining a movement is so cringe worthy

>> No.4466621

>>4466614
>Defining a movement is so cringe worthy
so you mean almost every movement from the 20th century?

Surrealism, dadaism, the Beats, hippies?

>> No.4466624

>>4466568
the logo is not very good

>> No.4466628

>>4466621
Defining your own movement I should have said.

>> No.4466630

Have you heard the stories of LeBuff going crazy lately?

>> No.4466631

>>4466628
So what about defining my dick

>> No.4466632

I like it, it resonates well with many things I have thought myself. It's a little short though.

>> No.4466633

>>4466614
shia labeouf has retired from his "public life" and is starting an artistic movement or something gay like that

>> No.4466636

fucking actors

>> No.4466641

I laughed too hard at this: "Just as science strives for poetic elegance, artists might assume a quest for truth. All information is grounds for knowledge, whether empirical or aphoristic, no matter its truth-value. We should embrace the scientific-poetic synthesis and informed naivety of a magical realism. Error breeds sense".

>> No.4466642

I like it.

>> No.4466645

>>4466568
got bored at 2.

website looks alright though

>> No.4466643

here's another gem:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/01/02/authorship-is-censorship-bleeding-cool-in-conversation-with-shia-labeouf/

>> No.4466648

It's 2014 why are you not oscillating yet /lit/?

>> No.4466652

simple english trans pls?

>> No.4466654

>>4466652
go read a book retard

>> No.4466656

jesus christ my scientific brain can't handle this nonsense

>> No.4466658

I like how he tries to sound like he's so artistic yet all he did was plagiarize someone else work.

>> No.4466659

>>4466656
you mean autistic brain

>> No.4466660

>>4466628
all of them had manifestos and described themselves.

Also you guys didn't realized this was also "plagiarized" or maybe bought off, because this manifesto is by Luke Turner.

>The artist Luke Turner published a metamodernist manifesto in 2011 calling for an end to "the inertia resulting from a century of modernist ideological naivety and the cynical insincerity of its antonymous bastard child", and instead proposing "a pragmatic romanticism unhindered by ideological anchorage."[3]

>> No.4466662

>>4466659
it's all bullshit

at least write something people can understand if it's a manifesto

>> No.4466663

I'm glad there is an art movement I can really relate to.

>> No.4466665

>>4466656
No it's not easy being a one-function tool in a multifaceted reality.

>> No.4466666

>>4466662
>doesn't understand it
>still calls it bullshit
your scientific brain is a bit slow

>> No.4466667

If he put as much effort into his creative endeavors as he does in coming up with shit-tier rationale for plagiarism.....he'd still suck

>> No.4466671

>>4466654
which book retard

>> No.4466672

>>4466660

Is this just more metamodernism then?

>> No.4466676

>>4466662
If you have the reading comprehension past the level of 12th grade you should understand it.

>> No.4466678

>>4466666
could you please explain in layman terms what it means?

>> No.4466679

>>4466678
lolno

>> No.4466681

>>4466658
The poor soul knows nothing about academic virtue, he just wants to be a spiritual guru transcending the mundane triviality of a celebs life.

>> No.4466685

>>4466568
The first two lines sound like the indoctrination of a cult. Forget everything you know. You must accept what i have to tell you as truth and this will become your new reality.
>Knowledge shouldn't be what other people tell you. It should be about self discovery.

>> No.4466689

>>4466685
>hurr no one tells me what to believe
>btw let me tell you what's knowledge
kek

>> No.4466695

>>4466685
You mean like. . . Education?

>> No.4466700

he's too old to be puling this undergrad bulshit

>> No.4466706

So, in other words

just do what you want to do be it irony or sincerity or naivety or knowingness or truth or relativism

>> No.4466710

>>4466689
I never told you what to believe my thoughts are the ones that are in green text. The top line was sarcasm and paraphrasing of my personal opinion of the metamodernism.org website. I said knowledge is about self discovery. You should figure out what to believe yourself. If you couldn't understand what i was implying there i'm sorry.

>> No.4466714

>>4466710
>You should figure out what to believe yourself
you're doing it again. stop telling me what i should and should not believe

>> No.4466715

There's a speech of the guys who wrote it on youtube. I'm not going to link because I don't want to, but it's there

>> No.4466716

>>4466706
I wouldn't put it so concretely. What he seems to be saying is things bounce around and don't stay in one place. The whole thing about oscillation is that irony can exist with sincerity and sincerity can exist irony as well.

>> No.4466721

he didn't write this.

Shia got Luke Turner, the author of the manifesto, to swap in his name to make it look like he's the author.

Cause re-apropriation is what "metamodernism" is all about.
Lol @ you people writing it off because of the name attached to it, proving his point.

>> No.4466725

>>4466706
Yes but when you are sincere you are sincere and when you are naive you are naive you oscillate betwixt them in the same work I guess.

>> No.4466727

Who did he plagiarise this from?

>> No.4466731
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>> No.4466734

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxI_qVlHbc

>> No.4466735

>>4466695
Sure. Our american education system as a whole is somewhat of a failure. Indoctrination is never a good thing. It hinders true creativity. Instead of building what you want to learn you are torn down and built back up to be what they want you to be. In the end of your life did you really accomplish your goals or that of somebody else?

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>>4466735

>> No.4466744

>>4466714
I am completely baffled by how you interpret things. I feel like i am either talking to a monkey or a complete genius. Is your name karl pilkington by any chance?

>> No.4466746

>>4466735
If I get monies it's ok tho. They tear me apart and build me up so I'm fit to get a job and make sweet, sweet monies.

>> No.4466748

>>4466735
>If Everyone In The World Dropped Out Of School We Would Have A Much More Intelligent Society

>> No.4466750

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/shia-labeouf-rip-off-daniel-clowes-howard-cantour

>> No.4466751

>>4466740
he's right though.

>> No.4466752

>>4466734
OK which one of you did this?

>> No.4466753

>>4466740
>I do not have an appropriate or adequate written response so here have a picture.

>> No.4466765

>>4466735
i don't think american education is that bad..
when i was a kid i had lots of opportunities to be creative, on top of being introduced to the rudiments of math, english, science, history, etc.

that stuff is important.
And sure, they are "building you up to be what they want you to be", but what they want you to be, is a well-rounded, reasonably educated person by the time you drop out of high school.

it's not perfect, but you really can't let a kid "build what they want to learn" because you can't have grown adults in the world who don't know mathematics or the history of their country.

granted those adults emerge naturally regardless, but that's another problem entirely.
you can't say we don't try.

>> No.4466766

>>4466753
I think you are making a vague criticism of education. I don't think there is a big conspiracy. They don't tell you what jobs to pick certain jobs. You can do what you want to do.
But the corporations maane.

>> No.4466772

>>4466766
>They don't tell you what jobs to pick certain jobs.

Try to post that you're a liberal arts student on /sci/ and see what happens.

>> No.4466800

>>4466766
>They don't tell you what jobs to pick certain jobs. You can do what you want to do.


you actually believe this. Are you American? You can literally "do what you wanna do" but we're talking in the context of a society that needs workers. The education system more or less fits everyone into the same mold to sustain the economy. why do you think people like Einstein or Bill Gates had trouble at school?

>> No.4466805

>>4466772
the education system doesn't do that..

the education system just introduces you to the major disciplines, to ensure that every kid has at least some hope of becoming a relatively educated adult.

when you're older, if you decide to devote your life to one of those disciplines, that's your call.
but it just so happens that some are more lucrative than others.

>> No.4466811

>>4466800
some people don't have good home lives, and will never find out what algebra or shakespeare are without being introduced to them through an organized curriculum.

If you had good parents, who gave you a library card and taught you about the world, then lucky you. Some of us weren't so lucky, and school was a blessing.

i would be a complete retard without school, and the same is true for most people.

You simply can't run a civilized country without public education. You just can't.

>> No.4466812

>>4466805
But my art degree means I am sophisticated man. I will never get a real degree maanne.

>> No.4466816

>>4466811
you know homeschooling exists? and other alternative forms of education?

>> No.4466819

>>4466805
…those who are in ideology believe themselves by definition outside ideology: one of the effects of ideology is the practical denial of the ideological character of ideology by ideology." -- Althusser

>> No.4466825

>>4466805
what the bourgeoisie has installed as its number-one, i.e. as its dominant ideological State apparatus, is the educational apparatus, which has in fact replaced in its functions the previously dominant ideological State apparatus, the Church" --Althusser

>> No.4466826

>>4466816
there sure are.
All i'm saying is that there needs to be some sort of free, public, standardized, and compulsory, education system. It is a necessary evil.

homeschooling is not a solution to the problem i'm talking about, and i don't know how you would think it is.

>> No.4466828

>>4466819
Implying you have not brainwashed yourself with marxism.

>> No.4466829

>>4466805
>>4466819
>>4466825
"Each mass ejected en route is practically provided with the ideology which suits the role it has to fulfill in class society" -- Althusser

>> No.4466831

>>4466828
>being too idiotic to refute his points.

>> No.4466840

>>4466825
i cannot fathom a workable society that would not have some sort of free and compulsory education system.

Whether you call it a church, or a school, or whatever.

As long as there are bad parents, it's a necessary evil.

>> No.4466846

>>4466840
But the bourgeois system maane.
They are basically the communist version of /pol/'s jews. Boogey men to blame societies illnesses on.

>> No.4466848

>>4466846
Again, you offered no genuine critique: you merely put forth the groupthink

>> No.4466850

>>4466826
>>4466826
The american education system doesnt need to be removed it needs to be reestablished. We are falling behind the rest of the first world. The public schools i went to were pathetic.

>> No.4466852

is anyone going to try to explain what the manifesto actually says

>> No.4466856

>>4466848
How do you propose we fix the education system? Or do you advocate abolishing it? A public education is critical for a society. I myself am from a poor background and I would not be in College if it were not for free education.

>> No.4466859

'How do you do a manifesto, Lars?'

>> No.4466861

>>4466850
alright, this i can get behind.

i have to confess that i'm actually canadian, and in canada the ministries of education are constantly scrutinizing and updating the standard curriculums.

i assumed the department of education does the same thing for america?
if not then i guess that's the problem. It's a subject that should be under constant scrutiny.

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>>4466856
I propose to encourage the students creativity. That there is not always one solution to every problem. Here ill give a couple pictures to point out some very big flaws.

>> No.4466867

>>4466861
Yeah I think they should put in on the standard of the Northeastern schools. But the schools in the inner city will never improve. Niggers are gonna nig.

>> No.4466868

>>4466856
No, do not abolish it. Society just needs to recognize that, within an ideological state apparatus, i.e. bureaucracy, education/schooling is inherently ideological. Schools obfuscate their ideology by acting as neutral within the bureaucracy. Althusser says, ""an ideology which represents the School as a neutral environment purged of ideology (because it is…lay), where teachers respectful of the 'conscience' and 'freedom' of the children who are entrusted to them (in complete confidence) by their 'parents' (who are free, too, i.e. the owners of their children) open up for them the path to the freedom, morality and responsibility of adults by their own example, by knowledge, literature and their 'liberating' virtues". Now, what ideology you want the school to be propagating, that is your choice.

>> No.4466871

>>4466864
How do you encourage activity? That is a vague answer. Provide concrete answers. I don't want these reddit pictures.

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>>4466864

>> No.4466875

>>4466868
I'm curious how does Althusser view Gramsci? Also what type of Marxist is he?

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>>4466869

>> No.4466879

>>4466864
what are you talking about exactly? can you give an example, and what subject you're talking about?

because at my school, in the appropriate subjects, kids were given every opportunity to express themselves and their views on subjects. I can't imagine an english or history class where that's not the case..

i mean if you wanted to, you could do that for arithmetic..
But that's pretty dumb, and why would you do that?

>> No.4466883

>>4466878
Like I said anyone can make vague criticisms. But how to fix the problem.

>> No.4466888

>>4466864
>>4466869
>>4466878
you're stupid as a dump

stop blaming education for this

>> No.4466893

>>4466658
He's had a few plagirising scndals lately. Apologising with a plagarised apology. Now this.

>> No.4466900

>>4466893
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/shia-labeouf-rip-off-daniel-clowes-howard-cantour

He plagiarized some guy's comic. I always knew he was douche.

>> No.4466902

>>4466633
And still he has made more than you...

>>4466671
Hitler, DickNigger, Boxxy and Your Mom in Big Trouble (part of the Goosebumps series that you missed out on because you huffed gas at the restroom during recesses.)

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>>4466879
>because at my school, in the appropriate subjects, kids were given every opportunity to express themselves and their views on subjects
Are we talking about the same american public school system i went to?

>> No.4466913

>>4466906
Well the education varies from place to place. But I can say that at my school we could express ourselves on topics. Hell we had one kid who was a convinced marxist deliver a report on the evils of capitalism and he was not censored.

>> No.4466914

>>4466900
No one knew what this comic was before he plagiarized it.

Filmmakers steal shit all the time.

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>> No.4466920

>>4466906
you guys didn't write journals/reflections or whatever?

i mean, you always have to do route memorization of dates and names and facts, but i recall there always being a few reflection questions on every assignment.

i think it's, in fact, a necessity in the modern curriculum?

i'm canadian tho, so maybe america is just shit.

>> No.4466918

>>4466879
Intelligence doesnt come from regurgitating facts. We are human beings not parrots. How about encourage creativity and thinking outside the box solutions? That is what makes us humans and not machines.

>> No.4466919

>>4466914
But there is a certain degree of douchiness that Shia Lebouf just seems to give off. You can tell he is the biggest cunt.

>> No.4466924

>>4466875
Althusser is extremely influenced by Gramsci insofar as Gramsci's idea of cultural hegemony is one of the foundations of his system a (marx, grasmci, hegel, and lacan). He is very much a structural marxist -- so he draws upon psychoanalysis -- in which he examines the State instead of the common class distinction per se. He does an excellent close reading of Marx's system. Then Althusser goes all Hegelian, and I have difficulty following.

>> No.4466930

>>4466920
Depends where you go in the US really. The Northeast is fine. But the Southern schools are typically not as good. And the inner city schools are filled with malt drinking ghetto monkeys.

>> No.4466933

>>4466924
Did he reject the Soviet Union and embrace Luxemborg or Trosky or was he a follower of the established marxist states.

>> No.4466936

>>4466918
most gradeschool math classes have a chunk of the curriculum devoted to problem solving (where kids are encouraged to be creative), and a chunk devoted to teaching kids the rudiments of whatever the material is (arithmetic, algebra)

the fact is, you have to teach people those mechanical processes one way or the other. That's how you learn the rudiments of math.

there are not REALLY a lot of "out of the box" solutions in arithmetic.
not many that are useful

>> No.4466940

>>4466918
Sorry that was meant for this post: >>4466883

Another great idea is have the students pick a book to do reports on as long as its appropriate instead of mandated project books. Thats one way to give the students a little freedom in their education and encourage them to work hard on something.

>> No.4466949

>>4466920
I can say that my education in Massachusetts was fine. Although I come from a suburban and largely middle class background. In history and literature we were encouraged to have our own opinions. Although there was a lot of bias coming from the teacher especially in History. My 11th grade teacher was Marxist and the 12th grade teacher was Neo-con.

>> No.4466955

>>4466936
I remember a teacher who said if i didnt do long division its wrong. I could do it all inside my head but since she couldnt see my "process" it was wrong. Even though the answer was right every time. This in my opinion hurts peoples intelligence by shutting them down and forcing them to fail even though they figured it out in their own way.

>> No.4466961

>>4466940
We did that at my school. One book was picked by choice and the other wad mandatory. But the problem with that approach is that the teacher has already read the assigned book and with the unassigned book he will not be able to properly grade it.

>> No.4466965

>>4466933
No, he did not reject it unfortunately, which was odd since he is critical of the State. This began the dissolution of structuralism. He talked about it in his memoirs, but i forget. He was an anti humanist, so when his colleagues were embracing the anti-stalinist position within the French communist party, he was angry.

>> No.4466974

>>4466933
>>4466965
I'm in class right now, so I will try to respond when I see your posts.

>> No.4466975

>>4466965
Sounds strange an anti-hummanist marxist. A position I would associate with fascist but never with a marxist intellectual. So he would think whatever it takes is justified to create communism.

>> No.4466985

>>4466568
" 2.
We must liberate ourselves from the inertia resulting from a century of modernist ideological naivety and the cynical insincerity of its antonymous bastard child. "
I lol'd

>> No.4466992

>>4466613
>>4466621
>>4466660
>>4466751

I bet this guy didn't trip his trip and posted as anon in this thread.... that would totally not happen

>> No.4466998

>>4466961
Right? Okay i can understand that. The teacher cant possibly know. She could however read a small analysis about the book ahead of time and then judge the student on their creativity of presentation of how the book was interpreted by them.

>> No.4466995

>>4466955
i think your teacher was right in the sense that they were trying to teach you the mechanical process of long division.

If you don't show your work, they have no way to evaluation your progress, which is their job.

i know it's frustrating though, i got the same thing when i was in school.

>> No.4467003

>>4466985
How was the modernist movement naive? It was pretty damn cynical. Shia Lebouf does not make sense.

>> No.4467004

>>4466995
*evaluate
not evaluation

>> No.4467008

>>4466621
The movements themselves are one thing their manifestos something else.
In my experience the manifestos rarely capture the charm of the movement.
Manifestos can still be pretty cool. Futurists.

>> No.4467018

>>4466992
Could be.. He could also be shia labouf himself. How would anyone know? I do know that on the one occasion he did defend me and that was greatly appreciated.

>> No.4467020

>>4467003
Modernism was basically the idea that art could shape the world into a better place and some of the results was fascism, nazism and communism

>> No.4467030

>>4467020
Those ideologies did not emerge because of modernism.

>> No.4467043

>>4467030
Well its all in the interpretation. Marx wanted a new modern society that would cater to everybody's needs. He was not pleased with how things were run and suggested a better alternative. In that sense isnt that modernism?

>> No.4467046

>>4467043
But I was referring to the cultural movement of modernism.

>> No.4467052

>>4466714
hey, man. you can, if you wish, think for yourself or have someone tell you what to think, if that's cool with you.

>> No.4467171

>>4466734
I lost it as soon as she started drawing on her face with that lipstick.

>> No.4467181

>>4466568
fuck james franco

>> No.4467186

>>4467046
They are a product of the same age. Hitler was an artist and a dreamer. Lenin was very inspired by the coffee house sessions in Switzerland during ww1.

Modernism was more than a just cultural movement.

>> No.4467198

http://youtu.be/DdbnX4ZnnEw?t=54m57s

Here is all you need to know about movements

>> No.4467201

>>4466568

>MFW THIS IS GOOD

wow. nice one, labeof

>> No.4467214

Wouldn't Celebritism be a more suitable word? Only a douche like Shia Le Bouf would be able to pull off a movement without having any works or any substantial material out. What has he done? Transformers.

Or philosophical tweets a'la Will Smith's son?

>> No.4467229

>>4467214
i like holes

>> No.4467237

>>4467046
Well doesn't the cultural movement result from an idea? Ideas are great but in practice they don't always work out. This is why certain literature is dangerous.

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>>4467237

>> No.4467306
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I for one enjoy cunts getting crunk on life and putting out manifestos and just winging it even if they don't make very much sense.

>> No.4467311

NONONONONONONONONO

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>>4467306
I too love getting crunk on life.

>> No.4467372

>>4467306
>>4467362
when did these happen. I need to see them used irl

>> No.4467378

>>4467372
They're called phat pants and are a rave thing. Seeing them in action is not pretty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbVRpRgHso

>> No.4467381

>>4467254
BEANS!

>> No.4467385

>Odeon

This compact café-bar on Bellevue is where Lenin once sat. Café Odeon has been opened at the beginning of last century, and is today one of the classics cafes in Zürich. Exiled writers, painters and musicians all found a second home at the Odeon. Klaus Mann, Benito Mussolini, Stefan Zweig, James Joyce, Albert Einstein and Lenin are just a few of them.

The amount of conspiracy theories that could start with this.

>> No.4467387

>>4467378
>not pretty

The very two words I'd use to describe this footage.

>> No.4467391

>>4467378
well... at least they're having fun.

>> No.4467396

charlatans.

stated succinctly this 'manifesto' would span all of two or three sentences.

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>>4467378
muted the video and its even worse.

>> No.4467426

>>4467385
Einstein is was JEWISH and Lenin has JEWISH blood. THEY BOTH WORKERD ON A SECRET PROJECT TOGETHER.

>> No.4467460

>>4467385
dan brown unzipping pants.jpeg

>> No.4467462

>>4466750
was gonna post this lel

shia lebeouf, known plagiarizer

>> No.4467553

>LaBeouf would later remove the film and claim that he did not intend to copy Clowes but was instead “inspired” by him and “got lost in the creative process.”[26] He followed this up with several apologies via Twitter writing "In my excitement and naiveté as an amateur filmmaker, I got lost in the creative process and neglected to follow proper accreditation", and "I deeply regret the manner in which these events have unfolded and want @danielclowes to know that I have a great respect for his work". Clowes responded by saying "The first I ever heard of the film was this morning when someone sent me a link. I've never spoken to or met Mr. LaBeouf ... I actually can't imagine what was going through his mind."[89] LaBeouf received some criticism over his apology, as sites such as the AV Club noted that it appeared to have been taken from a 2010 post on Yahoo Answers.[90]

top kek, this guy seems alright

>> No.4467569

>>4467553
seriously anyone butthurt at labeouf has no sense of humor.

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>We must go forth and oscillate!

>> No.4467575

>>4467553
that's pretty hilarious

>> No.4467579

>>4467569
Looks like the SLIDF is in full force.

>> No.4467583

>>4467579
shia labeouf internet defense force?

>> No.4467590

>>4467583
Yeah.

>> No.4467626

>>4466666
holy quads

>> No.4467644

"We must liberate ourselves from the inertia resulting from a century of modernist ideological naivety and the cynical insincerity of its antonymous bastard child."

OK, hey, cool idea. Give me a second man.

...

Okay, we've gained momentum Sir Labeouf, all systems go.

>> No.4467650

huh? I saw this website a couple of months ago, but I don't remember Shia's name being attached then. Not that I mind really, Shia is the most interesting celebrity of the moment and seems to be driven by sincere motives.

>> No.4467666

>>4467650
I can see James Franco kicking over a chair after reading this.

>> No.4467669

>>4467650
shia pls go

>> No.4467734
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The whole fucking time I was reading this I couldn't stop laughing imagining Shia LaBeouf actually reading something this pretentious and tryhard out loud.

Can you imagine it, /lit/? Him looking exactly like >>4466568 and reading all of these words out loud, in front of an Oscar audience, as if he actually meant it.

Personally I would literally pay $100 just to see it. I would be that one guy in the audience, rolling on the floor laughing, drooling on some bitch's high heels like an autistic retard, getting dragged out by security and pointing at the stage while giggling all the while, still letting out little chuckles in the police car as I repeat " Affect at its zenith is the unmediated experience of difference in ITSELF L O L" out loud and the cop tells me to stop fucking laughing or he'll taze me.

It would be entirely worth it. Fuck my clean criminal record, take my money.

>> No.4467762

>>4467734
Do you think you're clever, son?

>> No.4467767

>>4467762
No? I just think that whole 'manifesto' is fucking hilarious and imagining Shia reading it out loud is making me wanna take a dump.

>> No.4467770

>>4467762
Shia is that fucking you.

>> No.4467788

I'm sorry but what the fuck is this?

Is he going to write about this or expand upon its principles, or is this super succinct, highly esoteric 'manifesto' going to be it? Who the fuck writes a manifesto like this? I gained an understanding with what he is saying, but a manifesto should be reduced to much more simple terms; this raises a lot more questions than it does answers, which is really shitty. The point of a long, arduous text should be to raise good questions, whereas the tiny layman-digestable manifesto should be pretty self-explanatory. This moron did the total opposite and just published a bunch of esoteric nonsense.

>> No.4467802

>>4467788
Its just PR like his recent 'retirement' to draw attention away from his embarrassing plagiarizing scandals.

>> No.4467796

>>4467788
2metamodernist4u

>> No.4467839

What a terrible, terrible name.

Who ever named this man should be in prison.

>> No.4467878

>>4467839
his parents are deadbeat hippies who rely on him financially

>> No.4467899

Metamodernist Manifesto Revised

1. Things change.

2. Modernism and postmodernism are things that do not change.

3. Things happen because things change.

4. Some things cannot happen. We should believe they can happen, so that things will change.

5. ...

that's as far as I can get.

>> No.4467909
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4467909

Wow that's a very florid way of saying absolutely fucking nothing.

>> No.4467911

>>4467899
>"things happen because things change"
i sort of like that one

>> No.4467917

Just as science strives for poetic elegance, artists might assume a quest for truth. All information is grounds for knowledge, whether empirical or aphoristic, no matter its truth-value. We should embrace the scientific-poetic synthesis and informed naivety of a magical realism. Error breeds sense.
What the fuck does this mean?

>> No.4467924

He did not write that manifesto by himself. Have you seen his comics?

>> No.4467925

>>4467917
i don't actually know

>> No.4467932

>>4466919
This. I wouldn't mind if he made an honest attempt at giving an apology to the people he plagiarized but he didn't.

>> No.4467939

>>4467917
well, error does breed sense in one way.

if you think about it, scientists had to repeatedly test things like gravity and chemical compounds in all sorts of ways, doing it wrong many, many times until they at last did things "right" and were able to to make "sense" out of them that is not taught in science textbooks. Science is a matter of trial and error.

Many scientists strive to find a poetic way of describing the universe. Many writers and moviemakers want to find the 'truth' or show it to the world somehow. The next line basically means that, everything is knowable from "Water is 2 Hydrogen atoms and one Oxygen in a molecular bond" to "Canada is a constitutional monarchy" or "Gravity's Rainbow was published in 1973".

I guess he's just saying that there's not much difference between science and art, really, and that we should embrace them both.

Just my interpretation.

>> No.4467948

>>4467917
Just as science strays from the original purpose of itself, truth, in search of a sort of poetic elegance in its simplicity, art strays from its original purpose, poetic elegance, so that it might find truth. In this way, as poetic elegance seems to arise perpendicular to truth and truth arises perpendicular to poetry, the two are interchangeable. Therefore all information is grounds for knowledge.

Or something.

>> No.4467949

>>4467939
is that even really a point worth making though?
especially in such an awkward and convoluted way?

"art and science are both good"
like, who even believes the opposite of this?

>> No.4467956

>>4467949
that's why this whole thing is so funny to read.

he's not saying anything, really.

>> No.4467960

>>4467939
>>4467948
Didn't the cunt betray his own thinking. He could have stated that simplistically.

>> No.4467968

bad.

>> No.4467969

wow reading all of the shenanigans la beef has been getting into regarded plagiarism just makes it seem like he's having a giggle with this crap.

the man is an artist, surely. just not the kind that he purports to be.

>> No.4467973

sounds like he's been reading zizek.

"Far from signaling its demise, these emergent networks facilitate the democratization of history, illuminating the forking paths along which its grand narratives may navigate the here and now."

etc.

>> No.4467974

>>4467969
he's probably sitting at home laughing at this very thread over a glass of wine, dressed in a bathrobe while some dumb slut sucks his knob, occasionally taking her mouth off of his member to ask him, "what's so funny?"

>> No.4467982

>>4466568
>Movement shall henceforth be enabled by way of an oscillation between positions, with diametrically opposed ideas operating like the pulsating polarities of a colossal electric machine, propelling the world into action.
So basically a return to Hegel?

>> No.4467985

All things are caught within the irrevocable slide towards a state of maximum entropic dissemblance. Artistic creation is contingent upon the origination or revelation of difference therein. Affect at its zenith is the unmediated experience of difference in itself. It must be art’s role to explore the promise of its own paradoxical ambition by coaxing excess towards presence.

the hell does that mean?

>> No.4467995

>>4467985
use your noggin a little, why don't you

>> No.4468011

>>4467995
you explained for the other guy

>> No.4468030

>>4467973
>>4467982
This
Sounds a lot like his critique of post-modernity sometimes ("we abandoned big revolutionary projects and went into this cynicall, allegedly post-ideological era. But then we lose the chance to go and 'fail better' each time and so on and so on")
>unhindered by ideological anchorage.
This is the only thing that worries me. If they are really going to do that, then it will just turn into another perpetrator of the dominant liberal ideology

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>>4468011
oh fine if you insist, but this is the last time i play english teacher

Entropy is one of those scientific properties in which all systems are inherently said to be naturally going towards: everything slowly tends to become disorderly, at least according to the laws of thermodynamics; thus all things are caught 'within the irrevocable slide'. I'm supposing that he means that within all things slowly making less and less sense, many artists find inspiration therein to create art, be it something tragic occuring in their lives, a break up, their observation of events in the world around them; all could be viewed in some way as the world becoming more disorderly from their perspective: ie. gaining entropy. The third sentence is highly redundant in my opinion, it states that the very definition or apex of change/affect itself is the experience of things becoming different; this can be associated with how art changes its reader's point of view, thus making it different: causing it to gain entropy in one perspective. Thus he states that art must bring to mind to the observer changes and excess itself.

There you go, now stop asking me to explain things and get a dictionary.

If you haven't realized by now that virtually every single statement in this manifesto is a statement that is in some way either speaking about the manifesto or the statement itself (thus making it 'meta' in some way), then I have no words for you. Clearly the obviousness of metamodernism is past your head, sadly.

>> No.4468044

>>4468037
i still didn't understand it, you're too smart fo rme

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>>4468044
for fuck's sake man i'm a 22 year old uni drop out who listens to death grips, i'm not smarter than you

go outside and have sex or something and stop thinking about some attention starved actors sad attempts to prove himself intellectually relevant in a life where he's already proved himself relevant in every other means.

>> No.4468055

>>4468051
how will going outside make me better at philosophy

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>>4468055
because all the great philosophers got their dick wet, that's how

>> No.4468069

>>4467985
it probably doesn't mean anything but we can try to dissect it a little just for shits

>All things are caught within the irrevocable slide towards a state of maximum entropic dissemblance.
seems like a comment on heat death, but might be meant more as a statement about the futility of life given knowledge of death.

>Artistic creation is contingent upon the origination or revelation of difference therein.
related to the idea of people moving along the downward trend towards zero entropy (death). maybe the difference of entropy from one point to the next and the inherent change in perspective it brings is what brings art into being. individuals at different points in their lives trying to communicate things to other individuals at other points in their lives. seems like an obvious thing to say.

>Affect at its zenith is the unmediated experience of difference in itself.
'affect' in the sense of 'affecting', i.e. putting on an act. might be a statement about la beef's professional career as an actor, playing characters at points in their lives different or comparable to his own.

>It must be art’s role to explore the promise of its own paradoxical ambition by coaxing excess towards presence.
but this affect, be it in theatre, literature, or the visual arts, is ultimately a lie, which is why it's paradoxical that it seems so genuine at times? but maybe we're supposed to forget about that. don't know about the coaxing bit.

my unironic two cents

>> No.4468088

loling at the bottom where he has to say that he just copy-pasted this from someone else's work.

>> No.4468132

>>4468055

>how will going outside make me better at philosophy

rousseau_grin.png

>> No.4468147 [DELETED] 

>Not agreeing that the modern educational system must promote cohesive work.

Closing up thread.

>> No.4468152

>2014
>not oscillating

>> No.4468233

>>4468152
oh wait I get it now

it's about string theory

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4468234

>>4467770
I fucking told you it was him!
See:
>>4467018
Also his humor in calling himself a genius:
>>4466613
Im starting to think shia is pulling our leg here.

>> No.4468255

>>4468234
[Shia LaBeouf intensifies]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2FMSnl8qOY

>> No.4468269

>>4466613
For recycling Hegel?

>> No.4468312

>>4468269
How did he recycle Hegel?

>> No.4468378

E unum, pluribus: from one, many.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOwyZGCZ4gs

This is like a DFW satire.
Speaking of all this idiocy.

>> No.4468395

>>4466568
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

>> No.4468424

>>4467802
>his embarrassing plagiarizing scandals.
It's not embarrassing, it's hilarious. This nigga writes e-mails to Alec Baldwin consisting of carefully arranged copy pastes from Enquire articles. He responds to accusations of plagiarism with stolen years old Yahoo Answers posts. He makes million with shit movies and then stops shaving and writers extremely obscurantist manifestos. He's the Cajun Jew Tristan Tzara of keks.

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>>4468378
Laibach is like the Simpsons: always spot on

>> No.4468905

>>4466727

this anon knows what's up

>> No.4469151

>>4468905
>Plagiarize someone elses work by buying up their manifesto and publishing it under your own name while getting rich trhough acting in multi-million dollar hollywood mainstream blockbusters

Could you become more jewish?

>> No.4469189

>>4466656
>everything is oscillation
>not scientifically true

>> No.4469666

>>4469189

>science

no one gives a fuck, nerd

>> No.4469685

That's the most uninspired movement manifesto I've ever read. Furthermore, is metamodernism supposed to be a movement within the postmodern paradigm, or is it supposed to be post-postmodern? because I seriously doubt Mr. Boof knows both modernism and postmodernism well enough to understand what it would mean to transcend them.

This
>The essential incompleteness of a system should necessitate an adherence,
Durr
It makes no sense at all. If you want to necessitate adherence to an incomplete system, it would be in spite of it being incomplete, not because of it; unless being retarded is actually a thing now, in which case consider my comprehension transcended.

>> No.4469713

Does anyone else like to be optimistic and think that his entire spectacle of plagiarizing acts is a commentary on the nature of the fact that inspiration is just masked plagiarizing?

>> No.4469726

>>4469713
that is sort of what he's going for, in as many words.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/01/02/authorship-is-censorship-bleeding-cool-in-conversation-with-shia-labeouf/

but he's being a total retard about it, which leads me to believe that his whole "all art is plagiarism" thing is just a pretentious cop-out.

>> No.4469731

>>4469713
I think Barthes did a better job of saying it. Furthermore, once the message is said, it belongs to the purveyors of said message, and if it can't stand up without an artificial crutch that must be introduced like, "I meant to do that!" then it's crap.

>> No.4469742

>>4469726
>An updated notion of genius would have to center around ones mastery of information

That strangely resonates with me.

I completely agree with you on how he is handling it; if the apologizes were ironic and or offensive I could see that they rooted in his mockery, but he seems to be genuinely sorry which makes me think its as you said, a pretentious cop-out.

>> No.4469767

>>4467899
The point was actually that things don't truly change and that they will come back and repeat. That creative ideas are not infinite and artists should stop pretending they are. New art is about choosing what and when to plagiarize.

Basically he fucked up and instead of moving on he's trying to start a plagiarism movement.

I sort of agree with some of what he says, but I'm feeling that he's just a lazy ass that wants his mistake to be accepted.

>> No.4469769

>>4469742
Excepted that's like saying, "An updated notion of someone who thinks outside the box would have to 'center around' expertise of its interior." Rather than breaking and offering something fresh, he's just reiterating the common perception, which is an exercise in immanence.

He wants to pull some dada shit, except not really; he wants to be an artist, whereas the dadaist didn't give two fucks about that title and even consciously rejected it.

>> No.4469781

>>4469767
Yeah, and if that's as deep as he goes, then he's the most unoriginal of all, since that idea has been expressed in far more interesting and profound ways. He doesn't develop the idea, he just thinks it; that's a two-second process.

>> No.4469814

>>4469769
>reiterating the common perception
I understood the notion you're going for here, but I'd care to disagree. We live in a society of extreme individuality, so far that in all fields its overwhelmingly more efficient to be specialized rather than broadly useful.

A 'da-vinci' man, for simpler terms, isn't something so highly sought after, not nearly as much as it is respected.

I feel like SL is trying to find himself, but made the mistake of launching himself publically before he was finished.

>> No.4469849

>>4469814
A da Vinci man isn't respected; a bourgeois gentleman or a Modern Major General is. A modern da Vinciman is a guy who can fix cars and plumbing, who has the cure for a hangover, who knows what a fair price and quality for weed is, who can freestyle rap, who can show you how to spit game, who can fight, who knows how to handle dogs, ect.

I think he launched himself before even starting, really.

>> No.4469855

>X-modernism
into the trash it goes

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4469861

He has no clue.

>> No.4469869

>>4469855
Snobs who reject postmodernism today as bloobloo are fairly similar to those who rejected modernism back in the day for the same reason.

>> No.4469871

>>4469849
>4469849
Well, to be fair, I ignore his childhood and teenage life because it was largely out of his hands. A child actor can either sink or try and find more.

>> No.4469874

>>4469861
can i haz trendy 2 guize?

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>>4466643
This entire conversation is some seriously nonsensical shit. Theyre both just...what the fuck.

Its like absurd theater or something. These two guys are so passionate about what they are talking about, but its just nervous posturing and passive boiling up anger. Like when someone gets called out for being poor, and they start talking about all this shit they own, and then calls out the other person for being poor, and then they also start talking about all this shit they own.

And you know both of them are poor as shit.

>> No.4469877

>>4469871
Oh, I thought you were talking about this whole artist schtick apart from acting.

Yeah, I dunno, he might end up doing some good shit in cinema.

>> No.4469878

>>4469875
Not sure if that's an apt analogy.

>> No.4469885

>>4469877
I was talking about the artist schtick. It's hard to separate the two. It's an easy enough situation to imagine, and I knew it from when I first read years ago that Shia sold his own comics at obscure little cons.

What I am saying, is that it would be hard enough for him to be suddenly taken seriously if he decided to try and go the route of an artist, but after this debacle it doesn't seem like he has much hopes.

He's either a genius, or a maniac, and history shows those two are sometimes intertwined. However, genius is often defined by history, and elevated to heights due to posturing and wealth.

>> No.4469888

Post-sincerity bullshit.

>> No.4469889

>>4466652
or just take the time to unpack it if you're slow on the uptake like me

>> No.4469893

ew, this is just meta-sincerity in disguise.

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>>4469878
Made I should have put in there also, that I dont hold having lots of money as a virtue.

You understand what im getting at though right? Just think of something you dont hold highly valuable, something that seems silly, and then two people are arguing furiously over it, and outright lying in order to keep some sort of upper hand in this niche community.

Like a gamer saying they have a higher score, and everyone in the arcade is making fun of him, so he just starts spewing all of these lies about why the game doesnt show his high score, and how he could do it again if he wanted to, or how he has other high scores in other games, and then he calls out someone else, and they do the same thing.

Youre just looking at these two sad mother fuckers lie to themselves to save this image of themselves that they have, and this image that they idealize is something so petty.

>> No.4469909

Can anyone tell me if this is a good enough summarization?

Post-modernism has led to a society of skeptics filling the roles of the artist, leading to large amounts of self-aware, posturing, and masturbatory parodies that are largely inefficient of having any sway over the society at large.

I also think he's trying to pull a Huxley by saying that culture and society are just walking fabrications of highly condensed information lacking it's own self-awareness to dictate what it wants.

>> No.4469915

>>4469885
Alright, yes, acting is a form of art. However you can be a crappy actor yet a helluvan artist in other respects.

If he considers himself in the tradition of dadaism and whatnot, then I think that hoping to be taken seriously is counterproductive to the point of his expression.

I don't think he's really a genius *or* a maniac. He's not doing anything new, even if that itself is his point, and his manifesto is garbage unless it's satire, in which case it's still not that good.

>> No.4469933

>>4469915
Is this not Poe's law in work though? At what level is sincerity present?

This is like years of what has tumblr has produced in meaning, in just a matter of days.

At what point can you amass so much bullshit, that people start thinking theres value in collecting bullshit?

I think you're misunderstanding me again by saying it's hard to separate the two; I mean in the eyes of the media and culture. SL could paint the Mona Lisa (plagiarism joke) but could people take it seriously after Even Stevens?

>> No.4469943

>>4469901
I understand what you're saying, but something that's valuable to someone without much is very valuable specifically because it belongs to someone who doesn't have much.

It's not really so much that their conversation is embarrassing: that seems like some regular-tier convo for people who think they're interesting. It's just that that sort of conversation does not merit publication. Sort of like, if I go on and on about the will to power with someone, that might make okay conversation for people who think they're interesting, but it's 99.99% likely to bring absolutely nothing to the table of someone who's read about that sort of thing already. In a way it's not bad, because perhaps most of the people who read these sorts of articles aren't intimately familiar with the Western tradition; but to someone who is, it just looks like baby's first idea; maybe that's a bit pretentious of me, but I think it's valid when Boof is doing shit like writing a freaking movement manifesto.

>> No.4469944

>>4469909
There's such thing as post-modernism, all of that happened in the late 20th century.

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>>4469944
Please explain to me so that I may learn.

>> No.4469972

>>4469909
Could you provide some examples of postmodern art to illustrate your point with?

>>4469933
All art ought to be sincere, even when it's not serious. The Devil's Dictionary is extremely sincere.

Tumblr has not written a manifesto. A movement manifesto is a declaration of war.

Well that's sort of what modernism was a backlash in response to.

By people, do you mean by the intelligentsia? do you mean the bourgeoisie? or do you mean common consumers?

>> No.4469979

>>4469950
Postmodern literature started with the beatnik movement; think Naked Lunch.

Postmodern art: Jackson Pollock is a good example.

>> No.4469985

>>4469979

HELLO.

WHAT IS YOUR "MBTI" TYPE.

>> No.4469993

>>4469972
I'm trying to learn here more than assert. I'm afraid my assumption is entirely based off of preconceived notions. I've yet to explore any post WWII writings, but I've read Catch-22, and imagine that the parodying nature of that is something that is almost ingrained in our society nowadays.

I agree with you that all art ought to be sincere, but if it's layered levels of meaning, at some point you reach the sincerity the artist wishes to present; the hard part is knowing if it's all construed to be deeper than it is.

>> No.4470004

>>4469972
why exactly should all art be sincere?

>> No.4470013

>>4469985
<_<

>>4469993
90% of conception of postmodernism is based off of preconceived notions. It's like vaguely hearing about someone and then constructing an elaborate idea of them. Postmodernism is generally preconceived as a rejection of intelligence and purpose.

Nononononono. Creating art is about the artist's sincerity; perceiving art is about the perceiver's sincerity. What the artist wishes to present is irrelevant, since art revels in ambiguity as opposed to, say, science.

>> No.4470015

>>4470004
Because if it isn't, then it's not really art, it's just labor.

>> No.4470020

>>4470013
I believe in the death of the author as much as the next person, but I suffer from cognitive dissonance; I wish to evaluate what I derive as the meaning or what was put in effort to achieve as meaning, because without that knowledge I feel as if I cannot bette rmyself.

If that is what Post-modernism is preconcieved as, what is it truly, in all facets? Can I be recommended some Post-modern literature?

>> No.4470024

>>4470015
what about art created by accident?

i dont think you are oscillating!

>> No.4470032

>>4470024
Art created by accident could still be sincere, just after the fact.

>> No.4470033

>>4470020
Okay, well those are your experiences. The experience of creation, the experience of perception. You can enjoy the perception however you wish, you're perceiving.

Postmodernism is an effort to transcend modernism. It's hard to compare social theory to poetry, but to give some overreaching ideas: skepticism of metanarratives (science included); skepticism of identity; multiculturalism; drugs; personally transcending power; rejection of materialism.

Postmodern literature: like I just said, Naked Lunch, by William S. Burroughs. Great postmodern work.

>> No.4470035

>>4470024
Accidents can be highly sincere. If I run over a child, there's nothing insincere about that.

>> No.4470036

its funny he is not mentioned on the wikipedia page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamodernism

which is much easier to understand than that lofty manifesto

>> No.4470041

>>4470033
Thanks!

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>>4470033
>metanarratives (science included); skepticism of identity; multiculturalism; drugs; personally transcending power; rejection of materialism.

tfw I'm postmodernity embodied.

>> No.4470050

>>4470041
Sure. Just don't try too hard to analyze it the first time. Free yourself of all inclination to judge or dissect. Forget who you are and why you're read it, and just read it.

>>4470047
Nigga you just went full Foucault

>> No.4470092

>>4469685

Wikipedia said that meta modernism is like a response to both postmodernism and modernism - that's perhaps what Luke turner was getting at with his whole 'oscillating' mumbo jumbo.

>> No.4470095

>>4466914
>No one knew what this comic was before he plagiarized it.
No, Clowes is well established in his genre.

what's worse is that he plagiarized his APOLOGY from Yahoo Answers

>> No.4470118

>>4470095

>what's worse

that was genius though

>> No.4470120

Shia's recitation of his manifesto

http://youtu.be/mbxI_qVlHbc

>> No.4470144

How to I be metamodernist without getting 'sued'?

>> No.4470165

>>4470144
its the old dj trick

if you can reuse something without someone knowing exactly where it came from whilst still inspiring nostalgia you win

>> No.4470177

>>4470165

idk shia is getting sued for his shenanigans now by cloudface and whale press and j.k. rowling doesn't even like people publishing fan fiction of her shit (she loves to sue)

metamodernism won't be as fun if you can't 'reappropriate' new and old equally

>> No.4470208

>>4470144
Well it depends really, I don't think anyone can get you on 1% or is it 10%, whats the plagiarism rule?

I am a musician not a writer so I guess it is a little different. I find it really helpful, I use samples to bridge gaps in my music where i cant create the sound I want with the tools/skills i have.

I just sample from a wide array of sources, blend a few things together and use modern effects to change it.

I have been starting with original premise... my own songs but lately i have started started some bootleg/remixes that I just cant help but do, i will probably give them up for free under a different alias.

>> No.4470230

>>4466878
>>4466869
imagine trying to argue your point using memes.

>> No.4470259

>>4466914
>No one knew what this comic was before he plagiarized it.

fucking kill yourself holy shit

>> No.4470370

>>4470092
Metamoderism claims to be that, but what it really is, is "too postmodern to be modern, to modern to be postmodern," which is frankly a bit silly.

>>4470144
Tell him authorship is censorship. Or, to quote Barthes, "Language is fascism."

>> No.4470520

>>4466734
good lord. I wish I made this video.

>> No.4470682

this thread is now my next novel.

available from all good metaphysical bookstores near the ineffable last spring

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>>4466568
>confirmed for shai labeouf

>> No.4470791

>>4466734
10/10

lehopeinhumanityrecovered.jpg

>> No.4471415

>>4470370

it is not silly because it is aware that it is silly because it is both and neither. it rejects postmodernism by going back to modernism in a way that is not simply a repeat of it, then rejects modernism by saying postmodernism had sum good points yo, and we too far deep anyway.

the meta in metamodernism is also not from the same meta one uses with metaphysics or "that's so meta" but metaxy from Plato's Symposium:

Metaxy (Greek: μεταξύ) or metaxu is defined in Plato's Symposium via the character of the priestess Diotima as the "in-between" or "middle ground". Diotima, tutoring Socrates, uses the term to show how oral tradition can be perceived by different people in different ways. In the poem by Socrates she depicts Eros as not an extreme or purity; rather, as a daimon Eros is in-between the divine Gods and mankind. Diotima thus exposes the flaws of oral tradition; it uses strong contrasts to express truth, thus revealing vulnerability to sophistry. This portion of the dialogue points to the idea that reality is perceptible only through one's character (which includes one's desires and prejudices and one's limited understanding of logic). Man moves through the world of Becoming, the ever changing world of sensory perception, into the world of Being—the world of forms, absolutes and transcendence. Man transcends his place in Becoming by eros, where man reaches the Highest Good, an intuitive and mystical state of consciousness. Neoplatonists like Plotinus later used the concept to express an ontological placement of Man between the Gods and animals.[1] Much like Diotima did in expressing that Eros as daemon was in-between the Gods and mankind. Love (Ἔρως Eros) as the thing in between or child of Poverty (Πενία Penia) and Possession (Πόρος Poros).

in thinking about the word through a metalens, however, the meta also stands out and applies to the definition as well. in essence, the word itself is a true splinter of its purpose as a word, not just a linguistic gesture.

finally, labeouf did not write this.

http://www.luketurner.com/post-internet.html

i nearly didnt post this

>> No.4471430

>>4471415
Which really doesn't make sense. Let's keep materialism, but reject materialism? Let's have near limit-experiences?

>> No.4471465

>>4471430

It makes perfect sense.

>Let's keep materialism, but reject materialism?

Let's mind our biases, but let's not let our biases paralyze us.

Applying this to day to day living:

Anxiety is crippling, but it also gives us a heightened awareness.

>> No.4471468

>>4471465

let's not let minding our biases paralyze us, rather.

>> No.4471496

>>4466568

Is it just me, or does it seem like he's not actually saying anything?

Seems to me like a desperate attempt to claim the next hip "-ism" for himself.

You don't have to read this thing twice to realize that it's author is about as deep as a drainage ditch.

>> No.4471501

>>4471496

it's just you and anyone made uncomfortable by not being able to parse it

the writing is heavily embellished, but that's part of the point.

>> No.4471505

>>4471501

I "parsed" it fine, the whole thing is gibberish.

He doesn't put forward any points, or advocate any course of action except doing what humans have always done.

He meanders from one big word to the next like a typical pseudo-intellectual.

>> No.4471534

>>4471505

you're incorrect.

also, pseudo-intellectual is a comfort word. like ice cream is comfort food.

i do commend your self-soothing mechanism, however, i can tell you're very good at generalizing. it's a good skill to have.

>> No.4471539

>>4471496
keep in mind this was not actually written by Shia, but an artist. he just copy pasted basically

>> No.4471555

>>4471505
you are so obsessed in your one-upping of intellectualism that you didn't realize he didn't even write thr manifesto. He plagiarized it. You attack the manifesto only because of labeouf.

>> No.4471569

i do not like this writing style. it really just annoys me

>> No.4471587

>>4471465
This doesn't really seem like enough to make a movement out of. A movement is comprised of definitive works of literature, art, social theory, philosophy, music, poetry, and so on. A bunch of aphorisms are only meaningful when composed into a manifesto, and you're writing that fucking manifesto then you better be churning out a lot of follow up.

>> No.4471606

>>4471534
>pseudo-intellectual is a comfort word. like ice cream is comfort food
100% agree with this. Nonetheless, the manifesto is rather uninspired. As I have said before, a manifesto for a new movement is a declaration of war; this shit is underwhelming.

>> No.4471612

Philosophy has been nothing but bluster and hollow bombast since 1900.

I miss Nietzsche

>> No.4471614

a website with some big words isn't going to create a movement, i don't think

some real bravery might

>> No.4471621

>>4471612
You miss the point of Nietzsche too, apparently.

>> No.4471638

>>4471621

shut the fuck up, tripfag scum

added to my filter

die in a fire

>> No.4471648

>>4471587

give it some time, the present is a disparate fog.

>>4471606

the first time i read this was as a declaration of war, overwhelmingly and euphorically so. then again i was young and naive and i still am

>> No.4471653

So did Shia LaBeouf actually write this manifesto and put it up seriously or is this some sort of joke about his plagarism by him or someone else?

>> No.4471674

>>4471653
if you read the thread you would realize nobody fucking knows. stop asking dumb questions.

>> No.4471686

>>4471674
>Nobody knows so its a dumb question

That statement would usually just get a grin from me but given the context it got a full laugh.

>> No.4471752

>>4471648

I think you're confusing the present with the contents of your brain LaBeouf.

PS: You should have thought of a more creative place to post this than 4chan.

>> No.4471755

>>4471648
>a disparate fog.

Read: I want to start a movement but I'm an empty vessel.

>> No.4471792

>>4466568
So the movement is to transcend dualities as a whole in every facet of life? Sounds like hipsterized taoism

>> No.4471797

>>4471792

Either he's asking us to pursue a form of mysticism by not changing a single one of our existing habits, or he doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about.

I'm going to go with the latter.

>> No.4471805

>>4471648
Movements are not about "slow and steady". When they declare themselves, they are supposed to be lighting, thunderclaps. A movement that isn't radically different, is pointless. If it doesn't shock and horrify the bourgeoisie, then who gives a fuck?

>> No.4471809

>>4471805

This. Unless things are moving it is not a movement, and no, the effort required to click his mouse and post this inane screed does not count.

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>>4471752
>>4471755
>>4471792
>>4471797
>>4471805
>>4471809

i can always tell a producer from a consumer, a shaper from a builder.

ironically, you are all engendering what you are saying is absent.

for the postmodernists think they've won, all has been negated they say, and they can toss their powerwords and powerthoughts forth and decimate their foes.

but the storm is brewing, and they will not have their warning bang, only the fading whimper that comes with the last bit of awareness creeping into them.

knowledge over a thing does not necessarily give you power to escape it, btw.

you are the bourgeoisie being shocked -- shocking idea, right?

the lumpenproles are rising. they are becoming aware. they are beginning to demand. and they have many worlds of their own.


they're realizing they have no need to shake yours.

>> No.4471889

>>4471638
+1

Your constant condescending know it all bullshit is highly irritating tripfaggot my god, mostly, pretentiousness on lit is delivered with a blunted edge of off hand humor, you have the subtlety of a hippo waddling down a street.

Your problems is you want to be spoon fed and you are impatient.

http://www.metamodernism.com/2013/12/18/levitated-mass/

how are you not all over this shit?
have you not even seen fantastic mr fox? that shit was 09 and boss as fuck

>> No.4471917

>>4466748
Actually yes. There's a correlation between high(er) education and reading/watching the news. And there's a correlation between consuming lots of news and thinking that the world is worse than it really is.

Ergo: If someone thinks that 1 y/os i Brazil runs brothels, it's an educated person.

>> No.4471926

>>4471792
Taoism isn't clear in that it might be advocating like the Hindus where it seeks to unify the subject-object duality (et al) with a single taste, but the duality itself still persists, again just wholly unified and showing a single-taste.

This is to be contrasted with lets say Ati Dzogpa Chenpo, which advocates the total abandonment and dissolution of even the "pure" duality, unified by a single-taste. Thus a much more thorough transcendence of the dualities.

This "movement" seems to be more likely in line with the former.

>> No.4471929

>>4471868
oh dear, lel

>> No.4471951

>>4471868
>the lumpenproles are rising. they are becoming aware. they are beginning to demand. and they have many worlds of their own.
No, they aren't. They're demanding less. Zimmerman's acquittal would have caused a riot twenty years ago.

>> No.4472058

>>4466740
>>4466748
>>4466766
"What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us. The greatest university of all is a collection of books."
>>4470032
>>4470024
Art without order and intent is not art.

>> No.4472102

>>4472058

>Art without order and intent is not art.

you are allowing your oscillation level to drop way too low i am oscillating circles around you right now

step it up dis aint no game

>> No.4472111

>>4466731
This comic was the first thing that popped into my mind while reading this shit.

>> No.4472146

>>4472058
>"What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us. The greatest university of all is a collection of books."
Nigga how the fuck you supposed to do shit like chemistry?

>Art without order and intent is not art.
Spontaneous expression is art.

>> No.4472205

shia didn't even write this, he plagiarized it

the content of the manifesto is not the point; the point is to plagiarize more and more and more in an effort to continually troll everyone

and in that, the man is a genie

>> No.4472238

>>4471868
if metamodernism is such a productive movement why is it that the only thing it's produced is a movement as worthless as metamodernism