Postmodernism

[Anonymous No.4449449]

What comes after Postmodernism? Are we still in a postmodern era? What really is postmodernism?

Are metamodernism, remodernism, and post-postmodernism simply postmodern attempts at escaping postmodernism?

[Anonymous No.4449454]

>>4449449
inb4 new sincerity

[Anonymous No.4449452]

>>4449449

This just in: a thread concerning postmodernism -- and whether or not we are past postmodernism -- has just been posted for the 860th time. New world Record for shitposting.

This is an exciting time, Tom, to be apart of /lit/.

[Anonymous No.4449463]

guys i think op just thrust us into a new era

[Anonymous No.4449502]

I am curious about this too. Are we going to be stuck in "modernism" for the next millennium?

[Anonymous No.4449505]

>>4449449
>what comes after postmodernism

i dont think one can really be sure until we've reached some zenith of the new era. in my opinion whatever it is that comes after postmodernism has only just gotten started. can't really articulate what this is if when there isn't sufficient material for analysis

>are we still in the postmodern era?
in terms of themes, motifs, structure, and intention in the arts and literature i think we are no longer in the postmodern era. i think the arguably closest we've come to the platonic ideal of a postmodern book was gravity's rainbow.

there are still postmodern themes and techniques that pop up in literature, for example meta-textuality in extremely loud and incredibly close, but its the exception rather than the rule

>what really is postmodernism?
go do some reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism . yeah wikipedia has problems but its a fine overview for the lay person

>metamodernism, remodernism, post-postmodernism simply postmodern attempts at escaping postmodernism?

that depends on your definition of 'postmodern.' i would say no, however.

[Anonymous No.4450177]

The era that comes after postmodernism will be defined by those who do not live in that era. If I were forced I'd argue that Cloud Atlas (more so than Franzen and DFW) is emblematic of a new literary shift to a form of honesty shrouded esotericisim. As if to say that truth and power (despite the novels Foucaltian ambitions) emerge not from great immovable institutions but from the people themselves who answer either yes or no to the questions posed by those institutions. In other words in all issues the people are sovereign, alas they can only answer yes or no. The questions ,however, are decided by the institutions that they compose.

[Anonymous No.4450201]

Pre-Expansionism or Global Contemporary depending on who you ask.

[Anonymous No.4450234]

>>4449449
there is any book that can be labeled as "meta" ?

[Anonymous No.4450238]

>>4449452
>apart of

Are you clever or dumb?

[Anonymous No.4450242]

Modernity: 1789-1945
Postmodernity: 1945-1989
Metamodernity: 1989-now

Early modernity: 1789-1848
Middle modernity 1848-1914
Late modernity: 1914-1945

Bookend events:
French revolution, Communist manifesto, start of world war one, end of world war II, fall of Berlin Wall.

The political, artistic, economic, technological, everyday landscape of the 1990s and 2000s is qualitatively different enough from the 1945-1989 period to be a new thing.

We're in the metamodern world of ethnic cleansings, virtual economies (in terms of what's being produced in the West), virtual socialisation, simultaneous sincerity/irony, a new division between neoconservatism and political Islam, the absence of world narratives, the move towards regionalisation and separatism in politics and trade, new epics like Fight Club ("oh so pleb" - fuck you, it defines an era), new kinds of leftism in the West like third-wave feminism and the cultural/representational turn (it's more offensive to call someone "faggot" than to deny them resources), an active spectacle where we're all stars and staging grounds, relational art, and the rapid economic integration of former communist states.
Note: These are generalisations for the whole world.

[Anonymous No.4450253]

I think Authenticism will be the next thing, in direct spite of post modernism. It can be characterized as a yearning for what is real what is there. It will manifest itself both socially and economically, as people react to the current artificial smartphone addicted society and start embracing fave to face interaction and a closer relationship to nature. Also I think people are losing faith in our current financial system, and people will start heading towards sound money instead of speculation. Self sustenance will become popular

[Anonymous No.4450255]

>>4450242
>late modernity
>a to b
Fucksake cunt get with theory.

[Anonymous No.4450262]

>>4450255
They just seem to fit. How would you say it goes?

[Anonymous No.4450317]

>>4450242
what happened in 1989 to summon the death of postmodernism?

[Anonymous No.4450370]

>>4450317
Simultaneous changes, but basically the end of the cold war and the emergence of new technology (i.e. the internet).

[Anonymous No.4450398]

>>4450253
Probably something like this. Sincerity will make a comeback.
But I don't know shit.

[Anonymous No.4450407]

>>4450242
ya, kant and descartes are totes pre-modern.

[Anonymous No.4450437]

>>4450242

Early modernity: 1500–1789 (or 1453–1789 in traditional historiography)
Classical modernity: 1789–1900 (corresponding to the long 19th century (1789–1914) in Hobsbawm's scheme)
Late modernity: 1900–1989
Postmodernity:1945-

[Anonymous No.4450453]

There's no escape from postmodernism. It isn't even good postmodernism to try to escape from postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.4450454]

>>4450242
you don't know what modernity is. modernity begins in the 1500s or earlier.

[Anonymous No.4450468]

>>4450398
>Sincerity will make a comeback.

I wish you fools would stop blindly parroting DFW. There is zero evidence for "New Sincerity" other than what is found in the works of DFW himself.

If "New Sincerity" is actually a thing, it began and ended with an academic fraud who hanged himself.

[Anonymous No.4450537]

New Sincerity was a dumb idea anyway. It was just an attempt to fight post-modernism by doing the exact opposite.

Instead of actually noticing trends in literature people are just forcing terms that don't really apply to more than a few works and authors.

[Anonymous No.4450566]

>>4449449
> What comes after Postmodernism?¨
New era of sincerity ie New Sincerity, Impressionistic Realism
> Are we still in a postmodern era?
Literature is not.
> What really is postmodernism?
A literary period characterized by its lack of faith in honesty.

[Anonymous No.4450570]

>>4450468
>
I wish you fools would stop blindly parroting DFW. There is zero evidence for "New Sincerity" other than what is found in the works of DFW himself.
Have you like read any major literature in last twenty years? Roth, Morrison, Munro, Franzen, Smith etc all more or less are concerned with being honest and sincere.

[Anonymous No.4450591]

>>4450317
Punk rock died.

[Anonymous No.4450677]

>>4450566
>A literary period characterized by its lack of faith in honesty.
This is what new sincere faggots actually believe

[Anonymous No.4452911]

>New Sincerity
Sounds like bullshit to me. New Modernism or Global Metamodernism sounds more appropriate. Postmodern ideas are still so heavily prevalent throughout society and art that it seems impossible to escape from.
If anything, if this 'New Sincerity' is based off of a revival of modern ideas of truth and honesty, it would make more sense if this new era was more of an application of postmodern ideas to find objective truth, instead of sardonically ignoring it/writing it off/

[Anonymous No.4452932]

Contemporary period.

[Anonymous No.4452938]

Whatever the future holds, it sure as hell isn't stuckism.

[Anonymous No.4452944]

>implying collective consciousness

[Anonymous No.4453152]

>>4450537
Actively fighting and acknowledging a meta narrative in society is post-modern anyways.

[Anonymous No.4453537]

>>4452944
as a side tom cruise isn't exactly a human being

[Anonymous No.4453547]

>>4450437
This makes more sense to me.

[Anonymous No.4453580]

We are in some Techno-Virtual-Internet age that has not been named by history yet cuz, you know, were still in it.

I'd say that by the 60's PoMo ended cuz mankind found mass-communication and mass-consumerism to distract them from that nasty existential disillusionment.
but the Berlin Wall falling DEFINITELY ended PoMo cuz all the systems that made PoMo philosophers butthurt (Totalitarianism, Revolutionary Ideologies, Scientism) did not exist anymore.

[Anonymous No.4454317]

movements do not end, they are absorbed into the next and flipped around like an hourglass.

but the pendulum swings back and forth
back and forth
back and forth
back and forth...

if it's power words you seek to tap into:
impressionistic hyperrealism
pragmatic romanticism

[Anonymous No.4454324]

>>4450253
Wow, so all our authors will become insufferable twats who prattle on and on about perceived social ills that every edgy teenager likes to talk about?

We're fucked.

[Anonymous No.4454326]

>>4453580
>religious extremism
>global fear of terrorism
>tyranny of cyber-lords
>all pervasive, 1984-styled surveillance

These systems of oppression are still very much there, it's just that now we don't have one single boogeyman to pin them all on: it's a whole closet-full of them.

[Deep&Edgy !!BfzNblz4cXS No.4454339]

and that closet is in the cia headquarters in america

[Anonymous No.4454348]

Defining these w literature

Modernism - rebellious reaction against old, unstable forms of bourgeois realism/romanticism - works moving into *pure form* or free indirect, autonomous work of art...aka Ulysses - find Truth in aesthetics - beginnings of industrial capitalist globalization

Postmodernism - Modernism's assumption that it is possible to divorce from tradition is naive - entering into the wild, multi-centered plane of literary history is overwhelming, but shouldn't be ignored - eclectic assemblage of the past - all texts/ideas from past carry equal validity and significance, no "big idea" anymore - full realization of industrial capitalist globalization

I think the new realm of literature will be something hypertextual, perhaps unstable, movable texts. As far as a particular "theme", the most significant difference in my opinion is the way digital spaces (internet, children's cartoons, video games, social media) and commercial realism (TV, Hollywood, commercial fiction) alter the way we deal with our emotions. Still don't know why it needs a name, though...

[Anonymous No.4454374]

>>4454324

edgy teenagers talk of the things humans think about when they are in development

the difference between them and others is an embrace of an illusion of completeness

other people do not like to talk about these things in the open when they must act like adults because it shows them their bullshit and threatens their illusion of completeness

in order to not talk about it, they find that the best course is to not think about it

the pressure often becomes too insufferable, however

one face of this is sometimes referred to as a mid-life crisis

but it has many faces indeed