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Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:06:11 2014 No.4447758 [DELETED]

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>In May 2013, Tao Lin became involved in a high-profile exchange of views with Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Žižek (Nobel laureate in philosophy; 2008) arising out of a panel discussion hosted by PEN/New York Review on 30 April 2013, regarding Lin's latest book. Žižek contended that "Taipei" is simultaneously marxist and neoliberal, in an "incoherent" mix, and specifically claimed that his logical positivist meta-ethics would incognito cause a wave function collapse in the Lacanian ontotheology -[69]

>Lin argued that Žižek's view is "resurrecting 75-year old fallacies" and full of "basic errors". He also stated that Žižek is a "poseur" who "hasn't bothered to understand the basics, relying on snide comments and surface cleverness to convey the impression of wisdom. It's all style, no comprehension of substance."

>Later Žižek was asked about his views on Lin's quotation that "in the long run we are all dead." Žižek stated that Lin is indifferent to the future because he is gay.[78]

The remarks were widely criticised for being offensive, factually inaccurate, and a distortion of Lin's ideas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:16:10 2014 No.4447766 Great. I wish more threads concerning popular authors among /lit/ were like this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:19:10 2014 No.4447770 i choose to believe this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:20:10 2014 No.4447774 I would like to see philosophy Nobel added for the sole purpose of giving it to Žižek, that would be fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:24:57 2014 No.4447778 I have to admit. For a brief moment, I wondered "there is a Nobel prize for philosophy"? And then "they gave it to Zizek"? So good job, I guess.

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Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:25:57 2014 No.4447780

>>4447758
>>In May 2013, Tao Lin became involved in a high-profile exchange of views with Slovenian philosopher Slavoj Žižek (Nobel laureate in philosophy; 2008) arising out of a panel discussion hosted by PEN/New York Review on 30 April 2013, regarding Lin's latest book. Žižek contended that "Taipei" is simultaneously marxist and neoliberal, in an "incoherent" mix, and specifically claimed that his logical positivist meta-ethics would incognito cause a wave function collapse in the Lacanian ontotheology -[69]
>>Lin argued that Žižek's view is "resurrecting 75-year old fallacies" and full of "basic errors". He also stated that Žižek is a "poseur" who "hasn't bothered to understand the basics, relying on snide comments and surface cleverness to convey the impression of wisdom. It's all style, no comprehension of substance."
>>Later Žižek was asked about his views on Lin's quotation that "in the long run we are all dead." Žižek stated that Lin is indifferent to the future because he is gay.[78]
sauce pls

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:40:57 2014 No.4447797 File: 17 KB, 500x500, 1388716385379.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Žižek stated that Lin is indifferent to the future because he is gay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:42:57 2014 No.4447801 >Žižek stated that Lin is indifferent to the future because he is gay. I can believe this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:45:57 2014 No.4447805 >>4447797 If you know that you will never have offspring of your own, you succumb to hedonism and the fallacy of "live in the moment."

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Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Tue Jan 7 09:52:58 2014 No.4447818
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>>4447805
I'm not going to have any offspring and I adhere to a "live in the moment" philosophy, but I'm not indifferent to the future. It concerns me just as much as the past does.

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Tue Jan 7 09:56:15 2014 No.4447821 >>4447818 shut the fuck up

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Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:58:13 2014 No.4447825

>Žižek contended that "Taipei" is simultaneously marxist and neoliberal, in an "incoherent" mix, and specifically claimed that his logical positivist meta-ethics would incognito cause a wave function collapse in the Lacanian ontotheology
Welcome to the post-modern world. And remember, never valorize your post-structural meta-narratives.

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Anonymous Tue Jan 7 09:59:13 2014 No.4447826

>>4447818
>It concerns me just as much as the past does.

In the way you actively try to learn from the past to make better judgement about the future, or are both equally worthless to contemplate? As you are epicurean I would guess the former, but which is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:03:13 2014 No.4447829 File: 44 KB, 400x364, 9171R5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4447758 >"no u" >wizards throwing symbols at one another

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:04:13 2014 No.4447831 >>4447758 Why is everyone gay now? Seriously?

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Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:09:13 2014 No.4447839

>>4447825
>Welcome to the post-modern world. And remember, never valorize your post-structural meta-narratives.

Welcome to the desert of the real, where meaning has imploded in on itself. Is it time to draw the map anew or have we matured past the need of maps?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:11:14 2014 No.4447840 >>4447758 >Nobel laureate in philosophy stopped reading there. though should have stopped with Tao Lin or Zizek

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:15:13 2014 No.4447843 File: 21 KB, 400x307, laika2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you weren't even born in the best possible timeline Let's just end it all, shall we?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:28:13 2014 No.4447861 >>4447831 you aren't? seriously?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:30:13 2014 No.4447862 >>4447831 >2014 >not sucking cock

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:40:14 2014 No.4447878 >>4447839 >welcome to my dick tips duck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 10:58:13 2014 No.4447904 >>4447831 Go to bed, Dom

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:01:13 2014 No.4447908 >>4447862 >>4447861 >>4447904 Haha. I know you're joking. I have a lady and she makes me so happy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:04:13 2014 No.4447911 >>4447797 >>4447801 Im not sure if this is legit, but if it was, Zizek quoted a study on a book that says homossexuality may be related to a radical embracing of the death drive, since it negates offspring and therefore the future

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:06:13 2014 No.4447913 >>4447908 but seriously, sucking cock is fun

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:11:13 2014 No.4447917 This is probably fake, but Tao Lin wouldn't be the first to brag on his ignorance as an argument against Zizek/Lacan

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:18:13 2014 No.4447925 I can tell this is bullshit because >hasn't bothered to understand the basics, relying on snide comments and surface cleverness to convey the impression of wisdom. It's all style, no comprehension of substance." is a pretty accurate descriptor of Taipei

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:41:18 2014 No.4447962 >>4447908 the joke's on you. you're pathetic

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 11:46:18 2014 No.4447974 File: 5 KB, 300x300, th.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4447962 May I ask why you said that, broseph? I come with no qualms; just talking. You might need one of these.

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Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:32:19 2014 No.4449077
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>"hasn't bothered to understand the basics, relying on snide comments and surface cleverness to convey the impression of wisdom. It's all style, no comprehension of substance."
This basically sums up Žižek.

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Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:43:19 2014 No.4449110
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>Žižek contended that "Taipei" is simultaneously marxist and neoliberal, in an "incoherent" mix, and specifically claimed that his logical positivist meta-ethics would incognito cause a wave function collapse in the Lacanian ontotheology

Is this what philosophy has become?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:45:20 2014 No.4449118 >>4447758 >You'd better start believing in shill threads

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:52:19 2014 No.4449135 >>4447758 >Nobel laureate in philosophy; 2008 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:53:19 2014 No.4449139 >>4449110 No, but articles that are obviously jokes from the very first line are a good way to detect people posting in total ignorance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:54:19 2014 No.4449141 Lin is so autistic he doesn't understand his own book

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:57:19 2014 No.4449144 Holy shit, almost everyone in this thread is reacting as to this seriously. I had no idea so many /lit/ posters are totally fucking clueless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 18:57:19 2014 No.4449145 I decided to read Taipei because I haven't read any easy and mind-numbing fiction in a while. Why does he use the word "grinning" about three times per page?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:00:19 2014 No.4449156 >>4449144 wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:02:19 2014 No.4449160 >>4449145 Life, love, and pozzy vibes mate :D

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:05:19 2014 No.4449165 >>4449160 Oh And Can't Forget The MDMA :L

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:08:19 2014 No.4449174 >>4449144 Remember to lurk :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:14:20 2014 No.4449197 >>4449145 b/c drugs. grinning is code for "fucked up on ADD meds and psilocybin"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:17:19 2014 No.4449206 >>4447825 but metanarratives are all i have. dont take them away from me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:30:19 2014 No.4449235 >>4447818 What an atrocious rape of Caspar David Friedrich.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:31:19 2014 No.4449242 >>4449144 This. >>4449139 But this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:32:19 2014 No.4449246 >>4447831 It's more culturally accepted, particularly in the first world countries, than ever before, save maybe Old Greece.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 7 19:43:46 2014 No.4449262 File: 24 KB, 411x492, 1376656290230.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >reading non-white literature

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Tue Jan 7 20:50:51 2014 No.4449386 >>4447826 Yes, learning from the past. >>4449235 It is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 8 03:36:43 2014 No.4450258 File: 1.83 MB, 420x262, 1381087045865.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wish this shit was real. It's been a pleasure watching everyone react to it all the same

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 8 03:45:43 2014 No.4450266 >in the long run we are all dead that's John Maynard Keynes, and he really was gay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 8 03:56:43 2014 No.4450272 >>4449246 can I be gay too? I don't really like peepees much but if everyone else is doing it maybe I should too

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 8 04:01:43 2014 No.4450280 >Nobel laureate in philosophy; 2008 >Nobel laureate in philosophy; 2008 >Nobel laureate in philosophy; 2008 >Nobel laureate in philosophy; 2008 WTF.jpg