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What are the "current" poetry movements? Are there any current poetry movements? What happened to poetry guize?

>> No.4408625

Poetry is currently in the process of SLAMming itself into the trash.

>> No.4408624

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YchvRnKwCbc&list=TLBcexLuRoQkdlYw8X19Md7ib67ZEfXRaW

>> No.4408630

Any current poetry movements that we would all know about would have to be mediated through internet hype apparatuses, which are easily gamed and largely nepotistic. Find people at university to start a movement with. Seriously. Please.

>> No.4408642

>>4408630
so you mean to say poetry has no place on the internet?

>> No.4408660

This is modern poetry.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz-vgDOjAck

>> No.4408669

>>4408624
watched part of this. he was just talking about what poetry was and how he thought he should write it. did he ever read any of his own poetry?

>> No.4408671

>>4408642
No, but that in order for a poetry movement to gain any kind of notoriety to the plebs who use this board (me included), especially in a time where poetry is not popular (meaning that the channels are limited), it would have to be spoonfed to us through some kind of hype machine like HTMLGiant or Tumblr.

I don't think that it's impossible for genuine movements to exist through those outlets, but I'm deeply suspicious of any "collective consciousness" regarding a form that is nearly dormant, which includes hype as much as dismissal.

>> No.4408710

>>4408624
That is one ass long fucking youtube link.

>> No.4408753

Almost no one really knows how to make art meaningfully because almost no artists really know how to make sense of the world, their own place in it, and the role of art in it.

>> No.4408773

>>4408669
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCqhqSyn2Fo

his poetry

>> No.4408781

>>4408660

bro I fucking hate this shit, spoken word in general

>> No.4408782

>>4408660
>minorities in the 21st century pretending they're oppressed

>> No.4408785

>>4408782
Easy for you to say, white boi.

>> No.4408790

>>4408785
>>4408782

sorry am I in /pol/?

>> No.4408794

>>4408790
/pol/ are doing a practical demonstration where they try to convince us that immigration is wrong by coming here and being fucking awful

>> No.4408801

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOv47njeLHQ

> modern poetry

>> No.4408803

>>4408790
No, Chaim, you're not.

>> No.4408807

>>4408785
I'm a glamdrogynous transkorean, you cishet shitlord.

>> No.4408817

Where are the visceral realists when you need them? They can save us from this bourgeois sjw slam poetry.

>> No.4408853

>>4408817
neorealism is okay with me

>> No.4408867

>>4408853
Carlos de Oliveira? Any recommended poets? The aforesaid is the only one I am aware of.

>> No.4408891

>>4408867
>aforesaid

>> No.4408903

In my opinion, the vast majority of people who would've been drawn to poetry have instead become songwriters.

>> No.4408907

>>4408891
done being a faggot?

>> No.4408925

>>4408907
>done

>> No.4408932

>>4408903

O ya, name a few

>> No.4408933

>>4408925
>'>'

>> No.4408950

>>4408616


YOU KNOW WHAT FUCKING PISSES ME OFF ITS CAUSE ALL THESE FUCKING PEOPLE THINK THEIR POETS, LIEK SHIT YO I WRITE POETRY I MUST BE A POET CAUSE I CAN RHYME AND SHIET AYET YO ILL BE A RAPPAH UGUGIDDY GONGO BONG. Poetry isn't even a thing anymore because postmodernity and everything you see as art or literature is getting RAPED IN ITS DECAPITATED THROAT ALRIGHT.

>> No.4408965

>>4408933
I'm done now. What's a good book about understanding poetry and it's different movements? Can anyone recommend some good anthologies?

>> No.4408971

>>4408965
good website for a beginner: http://www.webexhibits.org/poetry/background.html

>> No.4409481

>>4408794
good point

>> No.4409485

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiQZujIlcjg

This is some modern poetry

>> No.4409488

>>4408773
can he talk about something but the internet?

>> No.4409491

>>4408965
Why would you care about movements?

>> No.4409500

>>4409485
what is this and where did you find it

>> No.4409528

>>4409500
google qt314gf

>> No.4409637

>>4409500
Jenny Zhang, some poet I discovered somehow on the internet. She has published a book as well I think.

>> No.4409640

>>4409637
i feel very strange about it

>> No.4409665

pooetry

>> No.4409684

>>4408616
>What happened to poetry guize?

Finnegans Wake ended all literature.

>> No.4409720

>>4408624
I used to shit on Steve Roggenbuck but now I think he's pretty alright overall.

I think internet poetry has to be somewhat silly and so on.

>> No.4409722
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4409722

This poem has over 250,000 views or reblogs or whatever on tumblr.

I think it's pretty moving

>> No.4409728

we are the visceral realists and we aim to reorient poetry in latin america

>> No.4409729

>>4409722
this is sad but it is also bad poetry

>> No.4409732

>>4409729
Why is it bad poetry?

The fact it can cause people to feel emotion (in 2013) is pretty special IMO

>> No.4409737

>>4409732
i mean, a TV advertisement can make you feel emotion. if an author can form words together to related vaguely back to some collective experience people have, or at least are taught to perceive as negative, it's not hard for them to construct a sort of dried up, withered sadness without much thought.

The thing I don't like about poetry-that-is-essentially-prose like this is that it does not take strides to reinvent the language. It adheres solidly to these linguistic norms because it doesn't seem to bother with symbolic or metaphoric significance. Like go compare this to Williams or to Neruda or something. How much is really being said in this poem other than that which is essentially like skimming fat off the top of heated milk; it doesn't require any "reading."

>> No.4409743

>>4409722
it is shit
"feel bad 4me plox"

>> No.4409746

>>4409732
it is engineered to make you feel empathy
it is inauthentic and trivial, it is the definition of antipoetry

>> No.4409749

>>4409737
I disagree. The point of the poem isn't solely about the cat, it's about a member of the family feeling alienated and out of place, unable to communicate with other family members and wanting some attention and love

>> No.4409754

>>4409722
this poem is an insult to the coolness of cats

should have made it about dogs instead

>> No.4409757

>>4409749
yes which is literally said in the poem itself. there is no *deeper* meaning.

here's a WCW poem from Poets.org or someshit. Just compare the to, mano.

--------

The Widow's Lament in Springtime

by William Carlos Williams
Sorrow is my own yard
where the new grass
flames as it has flamed
often before but not
with the cold fire
that closes round me this year.
Thirtyfive years
I lived with my husband.
The plumtree is white today
with masses of flowers.
Masses of flowers
load the cherry branches
and color some bushes
yellow and some red
but the grief in my heart
is stronger than they
for though they were my joy
formerly, today I notice them
and turn away forgetting.
Today my son told me
that in the meadows,
at the edge of the heavy woods
in the distance, he saw
trees of white flowers.
I feel that I would like
to go there
and fall into those flowers
and sink into the marsh near them.

>> No.4409758

>>4409754
I think he chose cats because cats seem emotionless and indifferent etc, as do many people in the postmodern era where cool detachment is a virtue

>> No.4409785

>>4409757
You have a strict definition of "poetry" that I doubt many poets, even WCW, would agree with.

Fact is nobody speaks or thinks like that any more, so publishing a poem like that would be phony

>> No.4409806

>>4409758
if that was intentional, it's smart

though i don't fully believe it was intentional as i have a prejudice against tumblr people i can't quite shake off

>> No.4409838

>>4409806
He said he spent barely any time on the poem, and thus doesn't really feel like taking credit for it.

Nonetheless, I think that fact is pretty irrelevant as the poem's value has nothing to do with the person who wrote it

>> No.4410272

>>4408794
/pol/ here

you're a moron, stay the fuck off /pol/

>> No.4410305

>>4409722
it's pretty good plebs

>> No.4410312

>>4409746
post some poetry that isn't made to make you feel empathy, but it does

>> No.4410327

>>4409722
Who wrote this?

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>>4409722
Is he a /lit/ goer?