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Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:35:32 2013 No.4398876 [DELETED]

"Mommy, mommy; why aren't there a lot of black writers?" asked little Alice.
"Why my dear, we challenge them and make sure nobody ever reads them," replied Alice's mother.
"B-But that isn't fair mom."
"Yes it is. We have to make sure our literature stays pure."

Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison.
The Color Purple Alice Walker.
The Bluest Eye Toni Morrison.
And many, many more, are almost always challenged and locked out of schools and libraries across the country. Why America? Why?

Honorary mention: The Absolutely True Diary of a Part Time Indian by Sherman Alexie. Also challenged like shit. Maybe because the author is Indian?

Why America? Where is the freedom that you so love?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:37:32 2013 No.4398885 >>4398876 i have no idea what the fuck youre trying to say but this thread will be shitfest 2013 that's for sure given all the race implications

>>	jim Tue Dec 24 00:39:31 2013 No.4398893 what? we read Invisible Man when I was in high school....

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:42:31 2013 No.4398902 >>4398893 >Reading books in high school Fuck off fag

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:42:31 2013 No.4398905 because they have incredibly low IQs I like your implication that schools don't push multicultural lit

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:44:32 2013 No.4398911 >>4398893 Congratulations for not living in a flyover state.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:45:32 2013 No.4398914 >>4398905 Schools might do, but it isn't necessarily the schools challenging these books. I suppose it is people like you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:46:31 2013 No.4398916 >"ayo bish, why aint dey mo niggas in da book writin hustle?" cuz Da'taekwon, we use ta build pyramids n could fly and we didnt need no writtin words but then them crackas came n started oppressin us n sheet. we prezden nao

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:48:31 2013 No.4398920 >>4398905 >because they have incredibly low IQs I'm gonna go ahead and hazard the guess that all the authors mentioned in the OP are an order of magnitude more learned and innately intelligent than you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:50:31 2013 No.4398926 >>4398920 If they're so smart how come all they can write about is "we still be oppressd"

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:51:31 2013 No.4398931 Walker and Morrison were both part of the curriculum. Ernest Gaines was, too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:53:31 2013 No.4398933 >>4398926 Have you even read any of those authors? Oh wait-- I'm on /lit/, of course you don't read.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:55:31 2013 No.4398942

Not that it really makes up for it but my high school taught Langston Hughes, Lorraine Hansberry, as well as W.E.B. Du Bois and Booker T. Washington.

Then in college I remember reading James Baldwin, Jean Toomer, Ellison, Zora Neale Hurston, and Countee Cullen. That was just in an Am. Lit survey and a Modernism seminar.

My guess it isn't taught in schools because white bureaucrats want to conceal the fact that black people were legally considered inferior less than a hundred years ago. Not that all African-American authors focus on oppression and race issues, however those that are regarded higher over others generally focus heavily on those topics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 00:57:31 2013 No.4398946 >>4398926 I've read a few of Morrison's novels and race relations was rather tangental. Same with Gaines.They're mostly about black people and black people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:03:31 2013 No.4398968 >>4398942 Why would they want to hide it? I thought we were all past that.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:07:32 2013 No.4398978

>>4398968
>Cuz white people be cray
Seriously though, they want to downplay those topics so no one bats an eye when Boards of Ed. (Los Angeles and Southern areas) cut funding for inner city schools or areas with a higher percentage of minorities.
[citation needed]

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:11:31 2013 No.4398990

>>4398876
>Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison.
>The Color Purple Alice Walker.
>The Bluest Eye Toni Morrison.

Without looking up what these are about, Ii'm going to assume they're all about racism, and discrimination, and whitey oppressin me and all that jazz.

Am I right?

If I am, there's your answer.

How many books about the same subject do we need? regardless of quality, it gets tedious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:12:31 2013 No.4398997 >>4398990 I agree. We should ban them all together.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 01:16:31 2013 No.4399007

>>4398990
Let's just pick one book for every highschooler to read. They get their copy in 9th grade and they must read and write about it multiple times before they graduate. No other books are allowed, everyone gets the same book.

There is one rule, it cannot be written by a white male between the ages of 17 and 89.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:05:05 2013 No.4399301

>>4398990
>How many books about the same subject do we need? regardless of quality, it gets tedious.

By this logic, we should dislike Melville because he mostly wrote about sailors, McCarthy because he wrote so much about outsiders in Tennessee, and Joyce for his recurrent fascination with Parnell
oh wait, art doesn't exist in a vacuum
fuck you

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:16:21 2013 No.4399311 >>4398876 >The Bluest Eye Toni Morrison. >Because of the controversial nature of the book, which deals with racism, incest, and child molestation, there have been numerous attempts to ban it from schools and libraries What, Is America this retarded

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:23:05 2013 No.4399325

>>4399301
To be fair that's a bad comparison. Those are singular artists with a consistent style and genre. Multiple black writers seem to write about the same things. I dunno why that is either. Probably because they get better feedback. Anyway, someone name a good book by a black about something other than racism?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:32:05 2013 No.4399334 >>4399325 The Count of Monte Cristo

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 04:54:06 2013 No.4399353 File: 56 KB, 550x551, 1372440536972.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4398990 >someone writes about the challenges they face OH THE HORROR

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:05:10 2013 No.4399362

I went to school in MD and I had a lot of books written by other races. We had like 3 maya angeliuo books, a book by a Mexican guy complaining his parents got rich in America but he lost his culture called the hunger of memory, kite runner and a book about the Japanese internment camps written by a girl who was in one.
The only ones I really hated were Maya's books and the hunger of memories book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:20:10 2013 No.4399383 File: 1.89 MB, 326x244, 2B2eT.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4399362 >Kite Runner

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:27:11 2013 No.4399391 >>4399383 It's high school man don't know what to tell you. Thinking back on it a lot of books we had to read dealt with rape.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:27:11 2013 No.4399392 Beloved by Morrison doesn't even always scream "muh oppression". If anyone even every bothered to read it, it was tackling ethical questions of murder, death and love. Y'all niggas...

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:28:10 2013 No.4399395 >>4399392 ever*

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:28:10 2013 No.4399397 Because I read pretty much exclusively old shit, people give me a lot of flak for "dead white males" &c. I mean, it's not like I think you're a bad writer if you have a vagina or brown skin. It's not the most relevant stuff, sure, but it's great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:30:10 2013 No.4399399 Persepolis was recently banned in Illinois (in Chicago, i think). What kind of retarded backwater is that place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:45:10 2013 No.4399415 I read none of those in HS I had Anthem Fountainhead A Seperate Peace Catcher in the Rye Their Eyes Were Watching God 100 Years of Solitude Pedro Paramo Song of Solomon Ceremony Great Gatsby Things Fall Apart The Stranger plus some others I forgot

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:48:00 2013 No.4399417 >>4399397 >people give me a lot of flak for "dead white males" Just distance yourselves from these people.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:53:59 2013 No.4399422

How much time do you think kids have in school? There's hardly even enough for the bare essentials (not that they get them anyway with the demise of the school system), not to mention trying to force in minority literature as well.

How many modern kids do you know can recite a single poem by heart? How many people know the history of the world beyond "WW2 was bad"? The only people nowadays that get proper education are the rich, precisely because they won't stand for this political rubbish.Your tangential bullshit is just another distraction, another pulling at the thread of the education that is unravelling.

And just to make it clear, this is a comment on the priorities of education, not the quality of minority literature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:55:58 2013 No.4399424 >>4399422 And what do you think of minority literature?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 05:57:58 2013 No.4399426 >>4399417 But then all that remains is the Bloomian conservative, which isn't me either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 06:06:58 2013 No.4399433 >>4399426 You don't have to jump from extreme to extreme.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 06:08:58 2013 No.4399437

>>4399424

I think it's important that it's being written and read, and there are many examples of truly great books that fall into that category, but I don't think it should be taught to children at length at the expense of the rest of their education. By all means, include those books in a supplemental reading list, and mention them in class in order to refer to other works and ideas, and encourage children to read them outside class and think about them, but to put the focus on them comes at the cost of the fundamental history of literature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 09:31:55 2013 No.4399767 >>4399334 Alexandre Dumas was mixed race. Not black. The fact that so many claim him as a point of pride for black people casts blacks in a rather poor light. As if the best they can do is if they racemix those dirty genes away.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 09:34:55 2013 No.4399774 >>4398997 >>4399007 >>4399301 >>4399353 You never answered the question. Was he right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 09:39:55 2013 No.4399781 >>4399774 He's right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:08:55 2013 No.4399814 >>4399399 I hated that one because I thought it was boring as dicks. It actually kind of pisses me off that it was banned though. That book was pretty inoffensive thematically.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:14:55 2013 No.4399829

>be in college lit class
>read Great Gatsby
>alright, kind of high school in here but it was a pretty significant book structurally
> read Nemesis by Phillip Roth
>another book written by a white guy, but he's Jewish so he's kind of an atypical white guy
>read In The Company of Cheerful Ladies
>alright, it's about African women.
>written by a white dude
>the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:16:55 2013 No.4399834 >>4399437 >fundamental history of white literature Fixed that for you.

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Tue Dec 24 10:25:55 2013 No.4399854 >>4398876 >Why America? Why? Because it's a shit country run by /pol/iticians

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Tue Dec 24 10:29:55 2013 No.4399862 >>4398990 >Without looking up what these are about You belong on /b/, /v/, or /pol/. I don't care which one you came from, but please go back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:33:55 2013 No.4399873 >>4399834 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:34:55 2013 No.4399875 >>4399834 Exactly; caught him red handed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:35:55 2013 No.4399879 Alexandre Dumas was black.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:36:55 2013 No.4399882 >>4399875 *white handed

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:37:55 2013 No.4399884 >>4399879 /pol/ already tried a reverse one-drop rule against him earlier in the thread. Their only goal is to shit-post, they don't care. Just report them and hide the thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:38:55 2013 No.4399886 >>4399862 He was right though

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:39:55 2013 No.4399890

>>4399829
>alright, it's about African women.
>written by a white dude
>the fuck?
So what? Because of people like you, society keeps thinking in terms of race and keeps distinguishing them. Do you also draw a distinction based on height?

>>4399886
No, samefag. He wasn't. Please be going back to whatever you belong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:39:55 2013 No.4399891 >>4399884 One-drop rule was created by racist white supremacists, surely you don't believe that nonsense

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:40:55 2013 No.4399895 >>4399890 Which of the books he listed weren't about racism?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:41:55 2013 No.4399897 >>4398990 >Implying every book that is read in high school isn't a shitty novel about race relations anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:42:55 2013 No.4399903 >>4399311 Yes. We are very stupid in that regard, but I rather blame white parents, who want to shield their children from the horrors of what their ancestors did.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:43:55 2013 No.4399908 >>4399903 >I blame white people What a controversial view!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:44:55 2013 No.4399910 >>4399392 You can't blame /lit/ for not reading it, since they think everything by a black author is about oppression.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:45:55 2013 No.4399912 >>4399884 He was half white, quarter creole indian and quarter black. If you think only "/pol/" sees that as mixed race, not black. Then you're delusional

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:46:55 2013 No.4399916 >>4399399 Why? What was so bad about the book that they had to ban it? Fuck this world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:46:55 2013 No.4399917 >>4399910 To be fair it usually is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:48:55 2013 No.4399922 >>4399916 >>4399399 Citation needed

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:48:55 2013 No.4399923 >>4399422 Nobody is trying to force in minority literature. On the fucking contrary, people like you are forcing it out and banning it. Why? Why fucking ban it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:49:55 2013 No.4399925 >>4399917 Of course everything by a black author living in a white majority will be about minority-majority relationships. What did you expect literature to be about, if not human relations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:50:56 2013 No.4399927 >>4399923 The catcher in the rye has been banned many times. Is that because of minority oppression too? There are definitely elements trying to force minority literature. For the sake of "diversity"

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:52:55 2013 No.4399930 >>4399908 Very controversial indeed. Won't someone think of the white children?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:52:55 2013 No.4399934 contradictions: the thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:53:55 2013 No.4399935 >>4399925 How about stories from different points of view? They seem to overwhelmingly be from the viewpoint of the poor oppressed negro. A lack of imagination might be the cause.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:53:55 2013 No.4399936 >>4399927 And there are elements forcing it out and outright banning it, because... Because they are racist? I don't even understand. Why would you back the banning of books? Simply because it is by a minority writer? Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:54:55 2013 No.4399938 >>4399935 It's clear you're the one that lacks the imagination.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:54:55 2013 No.4399939 >>4399930 Won't somebody make quotas for black books in high schools, think of the black children?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:55:55 2013 No.4399940 >>4399910 That's not /lit/, it's /pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:55:55 2013 No.4399941 >>4399935 What other point of view? The POV of the rich white slave owner being a nice guy for giving the Negro slaves food and shelter? Haha.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:55:55 2013 No.4399944 >>4399936 Where on earth do you get this idea that minority writers are actively getting discriminated against? Of course they have less books in high schools. They're a fucking. Minority

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:56:55 2013 No.4399946 >>4399940 Then /lit/ is /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:57:55 2013 No.4399948 >>4399941 Did Herman Melville hunt a giant whale?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:57:55 2013 No.4399949 >>4399939 Lol fuck them. Cut funding for their schools, since they have low IQs anyway. Won't somebody think of the white children?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:58:55 2013 No.4399951 >>4399917 Anybody ever think that black students may enjoy reading things by black authors in school?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:58:56 2013 No.4399950 >whites exclusively write about being white >this is good >blacks exclusively write about being black >lyl iz shet

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:59:55 2013 No.4399952 >>4399946 That's like saying the house is rats once they rats infest it. It's just a continuous problem with no end if there's no way to exterminate the filth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:59:55 2013 No.4399953 >>4399944 No, not because of that, but because of the fact that their books are almost always challenged to make sure they never enter a library and a school, and because people actually agree with those ridiculous, racist, sentiments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:59:55 2013 No.4399954 >>4399946 >/lit/ is one person Fuck off this is your silly idea

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 10:59:55 2013 No.4399955 >>4399951 Why? Are they so racist they can only relate to characters that share their skin color?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:00:55 2013 No.4399956 >>4399944 >implying there won't be more Spanish people than white people in the US within your lifetime Where are all the books by Spanish authors then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:01:55 2013 No.4399959 >>4399956 Spanish people? Do you mean Hispanic?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:01:55 2013 No.4399961 File: 1.26 MB, 200x200, 1327144722001.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4398876 >>4398876 yfw the guy who wrote The Three musketeers

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:01:55 2013 No.4399962 >>4399948 I don't like Melville.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:02:55 2013 No.4399963 >>4399951 Ofcourse they would. Locking these books out of school just adds on to the cultural captial loss that blacks face.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:04:55 2013 No.4399967 >>4399961 Racists no longer abide by the "one-drop rule", or the "1/8th rule", therefore Dumas is not considered black any more. He is a proponent of white literature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:05:55 2013 No.4399970 >>4399951 children would also prefer to read harry potter and the biography of justin bieber. who gives a fuck what kids want.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:06:56 2013 No.4399973

>>4399955

Why shouldn't black people enjoy reading books by black authors some of the time? They're forced to put up with your Gatsby horseshit for the majority of their school career; why shouldn't you be forced to read I Know Why the Cage Bird Sings? It's only fair.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:06:56 2013 No.4399974 >>4399967 when and why did this change?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:06:56 2013 No.4399975 >>4399967 Who are you calling racist? Are you honestly arguing that racists are the ones saying mixed race people exist?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:06:56 2013 No.4399976 >>4399967 >>4399967 >Racists no longer abide by the "one-drop rule" Tell that too /pol/ But he looks it too any normal person and or mixed so I guess you can just call him mulatto

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:07:56 2013 No.4399977 >>4399959 Yeah, I did. You get my point though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:07:56 2013 No.4399978 >>4399973 They can always feel free to move to a place where they are the majority.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:07:56 2013 No.4399979

>Euros build colonies and a country, literally and legally, on the genocide of natives and slavery of blacks
>nothing changes for hundreds of years
>slavery is technically ended but blacks are still oppressed by dominant euro populace
>blacks are officially given actual legal rights in the middle of the fucking 1900's
>shitshit euros spend the 2010s shitposting on a literature board about how "all minority literature is about oppression"

GAAAAAAAAD BLEZZZ AMURIKKKKKKKKAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:08:55 2013 No.4399984 >>4399979 The Irish were opressed far longer, and in much worse ways. They have an abundance of varied and wonderful literature. African-americans have no excuse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:09:55 2013 No.4399987 >>4399967 >Dumas is not considered black any more. He's Black AND White you fucking ingrate. /pol/ spin is absolutely incredible. It's like a force of nature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:10:55 2013 No.4399988 >>4399978 Please feel free to do the same. I'd suggest going back in time to Nazi Germany. No one wants you here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:10:55 2013 No.4399989 File: 90 KB, 300x100, 153.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gif related Somone get this thread off it's /pol/ invaded There;s no going back

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:10:55 2013 No.4399990 >>4399961 >>4399334 >>4399879 >Alexandre Dumas >black So are we now counting anyone with a hint of sub-saharan african ancestry as "black" now? inb4 HURRR RAYCISS MADE IT THAT WAY By following this logic you're agreeing with the racists you idiots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:11:55 2013 No.4399995 >>4399978 You lose like a champ. You really do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:11:55 2013 No.4399996 >>4399984 >The Irish were opressed far longer, and in much worse ways. >white people

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:11:55 2013 No.4399998 Are there any black authors who don't write about slavery? I would like to read those.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:11:55 2013 No.4400000 >>4399990 So he's white then?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:12:56 2013 No.4400002

>>4399987
>>4399989
/lit/ is truly the most pathetic board.

I don't know why I even bother coming here any more.

Every thread with an opposing opinion ends up getting spammed with "/pol/ is attacking, help me mods!" posts

Are you seriously so paranoid that you think all posts by people on /lit/ with different opinions to you are the actions of a specific group?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:12:56 2013 No.4400005

>>4399950
>whites exclusively write about being white
but you can't write about another race, anon. das raciss.
Racist things include, among others, saying that a race is only about a little topic, so it's natural that when someone of that race writes, they write about that topic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:13:56 2013 No.4400006 >>4400000 No. See>>4399767 He's mixed. Not sure why you racists find this hard to accept.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:13:56 2013 No.4400007 >>4399990 So why do you guys on your own board keep crying about "the Kenyan", "Obongo"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:13:56 2013 No.4400008 >>4399974 >>4399976 >>4399987 Sorry. I should have been clearer. If a black person (using the 1/8th rule here) ever gets successful, then the rule won't apply any more. /pol/ is more than happy with it. I don't know why you would think otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:14:55 2013 No.4400009 >>4400002 You idort look at it as a figure of speech >/lit/ is truly the most pathetic board. It's one of the best on 4chan if you ignore this thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:14:55 2013 No.4400010 >>4400002 >I don't know why I even bother coming here any more. I don't know why either, since we tell you every fucking day we don't want you here. Go back. GO BACK

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:14:55 2013 No.4400012 >>4399984 >The Irish were opressed far longer, and in much worse ways. LOL

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:15:55 2013 No.4400013 >>4400006 I previously said he was Mulatto

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:16:55 2013 No.4400014

According to /lit/, if you don't believe all of the following you are a racist from /pol/

>if you don't think a man who only has 1/4 of his heritage from blacks is completely black
>if you don't think minority literature should be forced into schools (more than they already are)
>if you don't think books about the same topic over and over are interesting
>if you think blacks should be able to write about something other than being black

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:16:55 2013 No.4400015 >>4399998 There are a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:17:55 2013 No.4400017 File: 966 KB, 200x150, haHAHAHAHHA.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400014 >>4400006 Holy shit fuck off No body cares

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:17:55 2013 No.4400018 >>4399973 But if they enjoy it so much, why don't they do it on their own? Do you need school teachers to tell you what you should read?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:17:55 2013 No.4400019 >>4400010 Thanks for proving my point. I hate /pol/, but I honestly hate /lit/ even worse than /pol/ now. Fuck this board, and all of the shitposters like you on it.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:17:55 2013 No.4400020
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>>4400002
hhhrrgrghrgr srs detected kekekekekek
do you not understand that /pol/ is shorthand for unpleasant racists/sexists/homophobes/terrible-people-in-general that we want to leave
please leave

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:18:55 2013 No.4400022 File: 498 KB, 405x228, 1324546247906.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400019 Bye

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:18:55 2013 No.4400023 >>4400012 >>4399996 Real classy /lit/

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:19:55 2013 No.4400024 >>4400019 Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:19:55 2013 No.4400025 >>4400018 Jesus Christ. Why is it so hard for you to accept that black kids may want to read things by black authors rather than the fucking Gatsby?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:20:06 2013 No.4400028 >>4400020 /pol/ is just shorthand for opinions you don't like. I don't like all of the faggots and shitposting leftists in this thread, but you don't see me crying to daddy and telling you to go back to tumblr. Grow up you baby.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:20:06 2013 No.4400029 >>4400023 Did the big, bad, Englishman steal your potatoes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:20:06 2013 No.4400030 >>4400023 Yep. You should leave and never come back, you're clearly above this board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:21:06 2013 No.4400031 >>4400025 >ignores the question

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:21:06 2013 No.4400032 >>4400020 Oh my God. That image. The level of paranoia. Wow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:22:06 2013 No.4400034 >>4400031 >Being facetious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:22:06 2013 No.4400035 >>4400015 GEE THANKS MATE, it's not like i have any idea what i am talking about and have no idea where to find these authors. Maybe you could help me out and give me some you personally liked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:22:07 2013 No.4400033 >>4400028 No, you really are doing a /pol/ raid. No one is fooled. Just fuck off, go, be gone. >boohoo no one wants to play with my shit Go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:23:06 2013 No.4400036 >>4400025 Why is it so hard for you to answer a very simple question?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:23:06 2013 No.4400037 In sixthform (British Highschool) we did The Color Purple. Decent book

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:23:06 2013 No.4400038

>complains about black oppression
>laughs and mocks the genocide and oppression of the Irish

/lit/, the hypocrisy is almost laudable.

I actually am from /pol/, and I can say with an honest and clear conscience that the most vile racists have been more honest and in favor of equality than you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:25:07 2013 No.4400041 >>4400025 >implying you wouldn't be crying bitter, salty tears if your 12th grade English teacher made you read nothing but black and Spanish literature for the year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:25:07 2013 No.4400043 File: 414 KB, 2069x2681, 1385948461030.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /pol/ack here. /lit/ is my secondary board. Why do you want an echochamber so badly?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:25:07 2013 No.4400044 >>4400035 Davis, Coltrane, the list could go on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:25:07 2013 No.4400046 >>4400036 What was the question?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:25:07 2013 No.4400048 File: 208 KB, 420x420, 1324041025658.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4398876 >I actually am from /pol/ It's done, everyone go home it's finished

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:26:07 2013 No.4400050 >>4400048 Good, if you can't debate something without telling someone to leave, you really shouldn't be debating at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:26:07 2013 No.4400051 >>4400037 Yes but you don't count, since you aren't American. This is more or less an exclusively American problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:28:06 2013 No.4400053 >>4400050 I've just joined the thread and Now i'm out

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:28:06 2013 No.4400054 Wait wasn't dumas grandfather black and the rest of them white and his lineage coming from one of the absolutely wealthiest families in France? Do you actually think he considered himself black?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:29:06 2013 No.4400056 >>4400054 If you don't think he's black. >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:29:06 2013 No.4400057 >>4400020 >2011+3-1 >raids, "taking over the board", /b/ Jesus christ how horrifying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:30:06 2013 No.4400058 >>4400038 >I actually am from /pol/, and I can say with an honest and clear conscience that the most vile racists have been more honest and in favor of equality than you Hahaha. Wow. So this IS a /pol/ raid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:31:06 2013 No.4400061 >>4400041 Maybe that's why they are challenged. Maybe white parents don't want their white, pure kids to see how tough the world is for non-whites.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:31:06 2013 No.4400062 >>4400046 How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck would chuck?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:31:06 2013 No.4400064

I went to a predominately white high school in lower alabama and there were several novels written by black authors that we had to read.

To answer your question though, because it's generally bad literature. Most of it is simplistic and dull. The only merit in the majority of literature written by blacks is historical.

>And many, many more, are almost always challenged and locked out of schools and libraries across the country.

Where are you even getting this notion?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:31:06 2013 No.4400065 >>4400058 >>4400057 >>4400033 >>4400020 Don't worry guys, I've told /pol/ that we aren't going to put up with their shit. >>>/pol/24595802 Their raids will be ended.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:31:06 2013 No.4400066 >>4400044 I thought those were jazz musicians, but thanks i will look into those two.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:32:07 2013 No.4400067 >>4400054 He did consider himself black and he regularly faced racism. Read about him, rather than skimming wikipedia and coming here with your /pol/ bullshit. Because a black guy became wealthy, the one-drop rule doesn't apply?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:33:07 2013 No.4400068

>>4400041
>Hispanic lit, I should say

The point being, most people don't read when they're not in school. One of the reasons for this May very we'll be that, for the majority of their school career, students are exposed to literature that doesn't resonate with them for whatever reason. This is probably doubly true for minority Cherenkov, who are told almost straight from the off that lit is a white man's game, and that minorities only take part in it in specialized circumstances (minority lit classes, etc) because the mainstream academic and lit circles generally don't give a fuck. Of course those people will be turned off from reading, you dolt. They're turned off way before they're ever given the skills to critically asses the situation.

That plus, a lot of minority students grow up in impoverished circumstances. Kind of hard to find time to read when you have to take care of your younger siblings because you have a single mother working two fucking jobs two keep your apartment in a shitty, dangerous part of town.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:33:07 2013 No.4400069 >>4400041 >implying I wouldn't want to read Don Quixote and Wizard of the Crow kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:33:07 2013 No.4400070 >>4400064 >Where are you even getting this notion? It was real in his mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:33:07 2013 No.4400071 File: 21 KB, 200x178, 1386304632241.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400065 >I've told /pol/ that we aren't going to put up with their shit >Their raids will be ended Yeah, right.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:33:07 2013 No.4400072

>>4400056
Get the fuck out. I've googled about on the subject and yet found any evidence of he himself referring to being a neuro. How exactly do you think the word octaroon sprung to life? Because rich people's mistake could either distance themselves from their black ancestors or so that they could remind others about it? Be logical.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:34:06 2013 No.4400076 >>4400072 >>>/pol/ Fuck off, no one is buying you shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:34:06 2013 No.4400078 >>4400066 it's a /mu/ thing. it's because people say they like jazz, then they only know those two names when asked about which musicians they like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:34:07 2013 No.4400073 >>4400062 I am not sure. I will have to do the math and get back at you.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:35:06 2013 No.4400079

>>4400064
>To answer your question though, because it's generally bad literature. Most of it is simplistic and dull. The only merit in the majority of literature written by blacks is historical.
Really? Books by minorities should be locked out of libraries and schools because they are... boring?

Wow. Never change Alabama.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:35:06 2013 No.4400080

>>4399007
The Bible

even if it isn't true (i don't believe it's true), its a book that has been handed down in western civilization for centuries, changed and changed, rewritten and rewritten, translated and translated.

it is a collective literary effort that has spanned more than two millennial. there is, in a literary sense, nothing quite like it in the history of the world in terms of length and variety. poetry, parables, over-arching stories, genealogies, magic, lore - it has it all.

every westerner should be required to read it. it is an indispensable part of western culture.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:36:06 2013 No.4400081 >>4400054 >His father, general Thomas-Alexandre Davy de la Pailleterie, was born in Saint-Domingue to a French nobleman and a black slave woman. >if you're rich and not 100% Black African you're not black anymore

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:36:06 2013 No.4400083 >>4400079 Yeah, if you ignore what he said, and pretend he said that. You've won the argument. Congratulations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:37:06 2013 No.4400086 >>4400068 This sounds a lot like a conspiracy.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:37:06 2013 No.4400087
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>>4400064
>I went to a predominately white high school in lower alabama

Is this real ?

Also everyone just stop replying too this thread once I've posted , if you do you're contributing to a pol raid

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>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:37:06 2013 No.4400089 >>4400081 He's a 1/4 black. If you think that's "black". you're reaching reaaaaaly hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:38:06 2013 No.4400091 >>4398876 >Why America? Where is the freedom that you so love? Freedom to be stupid racist mysogynist white trash redneck and terrible person in general? Pls.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:38:06 2013 No.4400093 >>4400081 Pretty much yeah. That son later married a white woman and got children that became a writer. Apparently that person is subsaharan now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:38:06 2013 No.4400094 >>4400083 That is what he implied.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:39:06 2013 No.4400095 Racism should be illegal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:39:06 2013 No.4400098 >>4400080 Americans even made Jesus white. Way to go. He isn't a sandnigger... anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:39:06 2013 No.4400099 >>4400095 This.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:40:07 2013 No.4400100 >>4400094 It really isn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:40:07 2013 No.4400103 >>4400079 Oh, I thought you asked why they weren't appreciated. Regardless, I don't think that books that are bad literature should be taught in school. As for libraries, I don't see why they would be kept out of libraries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:41:07 2013 No.4400104 >>4400093 So African-Americans aren't Black, since most/all have Euro ancestry and aren't Subsaharan. Nice job, /pol/, you just defeated yourself, again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:41:07 2013 No.4400105 >>4400095 I can't wait for all the blacks saying Honkey and Cracker to go to jail.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:41:07 2013 No.4400106 I don't read a lot of black writers because books about racism are boring.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:42:07 2013 No.4400108 >Black authors only write about black people. White authors only write about white people

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:42:07 2013 No.4400110 >>4400100 Then you should be clearer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:43:07 2013 No.4400112 >>4400087 Yes. What, people from Alabama can't be literate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:44:06 2013 No.4400114 >>4400104 No, the rules are as follows: Be rich Be successful. Then you are white, however black you may look.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:44:06 2013 No.4400115 >>4400108 The difference being that they don't tend to focus on the characters ethnicity. I'd love to read a book about a detective who happens to be black, unfortunately it tends to be the other way round.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:45:06 2013 No.4400118 >>4400108 White is universal though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:45:06 2013 No.4400119 >>4400108 I think the conplaint isn't that blacks only write about black people, but that all they write about is race relations.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:45:06 2013 No.4400120
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>>4400089
>>4400093
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alexandre_Dumas_%281762-1806%29.JPG
>implying any /pol/shit wouldn't call him Black
Your levels of obfuscation are incredible, we're all aware of your ideology.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:46:06 2013 No.4400122 File: 54 KB, 500x254, Thomas Sowell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400114 But that's not true. Pic related, a black man I like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:46:07 2013 No.4400123 >>4400122 Token.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:46:07 2013 No.4400124 >>4400104 No you retard if you come from a majority black lineage you're black, if you come from a majority white lineage you're white. How is this hard to understand?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:47:07 2013 No.4400126 >>4399415 Hewbrew school?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:47:07 2013 No.4400128 >>4400119 Don't flaunt your illiteracy with stupid condensed generalizations. Instead read the bible to get all the allusions in the western canon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:47:07 2013 No.4400129 >>4400119 >race relations. I can't blame them tbh. Just look at this thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:47:07 2013 No.4400131 >>4400115 No, the difference is that you think >>4400118 >White is universal Whites think they are the standard, they are the neutral base of reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:48:06 2013 No.4400132 >>4400120 My face when that is his grandpa, do you know anything about alexandre dumas the writer?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:48:06 2013 No.4400133 >>4400124 You are not white if you are 1/8th black. You are black. You can't disregard the rule simply because Dumas was rich, successful and loved.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:50:07 2013 No.4400136 >>4400120 So let me get this straight... it's "/pol/" that is saying Dumas isn't black... and it's also "/pol/" that would be saying he is black? Is there anything YOU have to say on the matter?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:50:07 2013 No.4400139

>>4400129
The entire history of African-American intellectualism is trying to get White people to actually think for one god damn second, but they never have, hence this thread. Also why we have Black nationalism, the realization that Whites are too stupid to deal with.

>>4400132
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas-Alexandre_Dumas

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:50:07 2013 No.4400141 >>4400080 This. Western literature is literally incomprehensible unless you use the Bible as a reference point. I mean, how else are you gonna get all the allusions? How the vuck do you even allude, you stinking pleb?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:51:07 2013 No.4400143 >>4400131 >Whites think they are the standard That's an extremely racist thing to say.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:51:07 2013 No.4400144 >>4400131 Whites are the objective race by which all other races are measured.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:51:07 2013 No.4400147

I went to public school in america. In eighth grade english we read a book about the little rock nine, in ninth grade english we read a book about child soldiers in africa, in tenth grade english we read the purple hibiscus, in eleventh grade english we read zora neale hurston, and in twelfth grade english read toni morrison.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:52:06 2013 No.4400151 >>4400143 >>4400144 lyl, good job mates

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:52:06 2013 No.4400152 >>4400115 >>4400119 Maybe it's because these are things that effect their daily life, unlike it does the white majority. They're writing about what they know, like most authors do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:52:07 2013 No.4400150 >>4400133 Are you honestly referring to the one drop rule as a non racist defense? I got news for you buddy, you're wrong and you're racist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:53:06 2013 No.4400153 >>4400143 How is it racist? I am the fucking cener of the universe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:53:06 2013 No.4400155 >>4400147 I'm sorry for the torture they inflicted on you.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:54:06 2013 No.4400159

>>4400139
>The entire history of African-American intellectualism is trying to get White people to actually think for one god damn second, but they never have, hence this thread.

Who cares its Christmas the birthday of a sandnigger Jew that most whites a celebrate how can we be racist?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:54:06 2013 No.4400160

>>4400136
/pol/ would normally call Dumas a "nigger," but this particular thread requires they claim him as being white, because he is an incredible famous Black author that wrote adventure novels that weren't "about racism". Why is this hard to understand?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:54:07 2013 No.4400157 >>4400139 Yes that is the grandfather I'm guessing you haven't read the actual text. Alexandre dumas the writer was born in the 19th century.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:54:07 2013 No.4400158 File: 67 KB, 618x459, clinton.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400139 >Whites are too stupid to deal with. Why are you so anti-white?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:55:06 2013 No.4400163 >>4400157 Are you illiterate or is this your pathetic damage control?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:55:06 2013 No.4400164 >>4400150 >Non-racist The rule shaped America and is still implicitly accepted. America has no concept of mixed-race. You are either white, or black. It might be changing now, but change takes time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:56:06 2013 No.4400165 >>4400160 Cleopatra and Ceasar and Beethoven were also black.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:56:07 2013 No.4400166 File: 66 KB, 660x398, dorner.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400160 You don't know shit about /pol/ ask them what they think about this guy

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:57:07 2013 No.4400167
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Explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean when picasso
mix red an green
is a half-caste canvas/
explain yuself
wha u mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean when light an shadow
mix in de sky
is a half-caste weather/
well in dat case
england weather
nearly always half-caste
in fact some o dem cloud
half-caste till dem overcast
so spiteful dem dont want de sun pass
ah rass/
explain yuself
wha yu mean
when yu say half-caste
yu mean tchaikovsky
sit down at dah piano
an mix a black key
wid a white key
is a half-caste symphony/

Thank you British education.

I mean why the fuck would I care to read any of the hundreds of eminent European poets when I could read this dreck instead?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:57:07 2013 No.4400168 >>4400165 I'm transblack what mostly is referred to as a "whigger"

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:57:07 2013 No.4400169 >>4400159 Jesus is white. Haven't you seen the pictures? He has blond hair and blue eyes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:57:07 2013 No.4400171 >>4400160 >but this particular thread requires they claim him as being white But nobody has claimed he was white... just that he was mixed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:58:09 2013 No.4400173 >>4400163 Hm well the father then. It's still not the writer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:58:09 2013 No.4400174 What about foreign authors? Why don't you read foreign authors, who are better than American authors anyway? Homer, Virgil, Dante, Goethe, Cervantes, Tolstoy, Dostoievsky. So many good books...

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:58:09 2013 No.4400175 >>4400171 Shhhhh, facts just anger the liberals, just let them be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:59:09 2013 No.4400180 >>4400174 >more dead white males urgh no thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:00:07 2013 No.4400181 >>4400168 And I am a jew who is a transnigga my nickname is "the ashes". I like it when people refer to me with gye.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:00:07 2013 No.4400182 >>4400167 >eminent European poets Implying the "sublime" isn't shit with no relevance to anyone but bored aristocrats who need to sever themselves from losers like you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:00:07 2013 No.4400183 http://strawpoll.me/914177 Answer this question, so we can see where the majority of /lit/ stands.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:01:07 2013 No.4400184
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why do other groups always feel entitled to what the better group has created? you should be grateful you get to witness it and benefit from osmosis. if you cant figure it out even after being surrounded by it, you have no right to force everyone else to include you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:01:07 2013 No.4400186 >>4400167 Holy fucking this! Fucking done this illiterate piece of shit in School Fucking crap made my eyes pain

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:01:07 2013 No.4400187 >>4400171 >>4400175 You never an >>4400007

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:02:07 2013 No.4400189 >>4400183 This is a /pol/ thread that has been accidentally misplaced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:02:07 2013 No.4400190 >>4400187 I'm not from /pol/, I wouldn't know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:02:07 2013 No.4400191 >>4400187 *answered this one

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:03:07 2013 No.4400192 >>4400180 Machado de Assis, then

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:03:07 2013 No.4400194 >>4400183 Biased Last word on 2. is Good* http://strawpoll.me/914189

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:03:07 2013 No.4400195 >>4400183 That's facetious. The question should be "Should books by black authors be banned from schools?"

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:04:06 2013 No.4400197 >>4400180 dead white males have historically had the most opportunity to read, write, and develop their craft

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:05:06 2013 No.4400199 >>4400195 Nobody is suggesting that outside of your dreamworld.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:06:07 2013 No.4400200 >>4400199 A lot of people want it, and it is being challenged all over the country in the REAL world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:06:07 2013 No.4400201 >>4400180 dead white males have pretty good track records in almost every field. to not study them because they're dead is borderline retarded. to not study them because they're white is racist.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:06:07 2013 No.4400202

What don't you guys select scientific ideas the same way you select literature? Let us not teach the DNA in high school, since it's structure was discovered by a sexist asshole, let us instead teach that thingy some guy discovered in the middle of Congo.

You gotta teach the best and most important scientific ideas. You gotta teach the best and most important books. Unfortunataly, most of these ideas and books came from the mind of dead white males.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:07:07 2013 No.4400204 >>4400200 citations would be nice

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:08:06 2013 No.4400206 >>4400202 >unfortunately What've you got against white people?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:08:06 2013 No.4400209

>>4400152
All of black literature is basically an interminably prolonged whine.

There's a reason why, for example, people all over the world read Eastern European literature: because its themes are universal. Their literature is firmly anchored in the oppression inflicted by the Soviet Union, but it is their artfulness, their aesthetic sense, that makes the literature transcend topicality, etc.

Black literature just comes across as petty and narrow, putting 'social commentary' before art. Except maybe for sociologists and historians, no one is going to care about Alice Walker or what-have-you in the future. Sieg heil, motherfuckers and shalom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:08:07 2013 No.4400205 >>4400194 your poll is stupid and desperate

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:09:06 2013 No.4400211 >>4400205 Why The first was biased Unless you're from pol

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:11:06 2013 No.4400212
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Accomplishment

Sorry kid, come back when the rest of the world combined contributes 1/100th of what Europeans have to contemporary civilization.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:11:06 2013 No.4400214 >>4400206 Nothing. It is only that it would be better if there were more diversity among the greatest scientists and writers. (I'm white, by the way).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:11:06 2013 No.4400215 >>4400202 How much Harlem Renaissance lit did you read in high school, honestly? Are you really going to tell me that shit wasn't beautiful and worthy of study?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:12:06 2013 No.4400217 >>4400211 >only answers are "yes" and "No" >biased

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:12:06 2013 No.4400218 >>4400212 go back to pol people of the african persuasion were flying spaceships and communicating with aliens until de vanilla man come and destroy all of it.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:12:06 2013 No.4400220
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I'm pretty sure sure they try adding blacks to textbooks to the point where it's a joke. Any black philosophers, poets, and historical figures end up looking like jokes and people are aware they're just there for diversity. "This black woman sat on a bus what a key historical icon!" or "This black man was the first to do what someone else already did but he did it with black skin!" It's a joke and it's tired. If there were any blacks, women, etc. who merited being in history books, literature, philosophy books, etc. you can BET they would be there. They are DESPERATE to include them. The problem is there are none that don't come off as a joke for the sake of inclusion. This is why our industries and our schools are failing. People are more worried about feelings than truth, knowledge, or innovation (thanks women's suffrage).

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:13:06 2013 No.4400222 >>4400214 Why? Race is just a skin color, why does it matter who does better? We're all humans after all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:14:06 2013 No.4400226 It's paid conservative shills overepresenting themselves to ensure 4chan never gets out of hand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:15:06 2013 No.4400227 >>4400220 >the Rosa Parks incident was not important to the civil rights movement Uhhhhhh

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:16:06 2013 No.4400231 >>4400194 >>4400183 /lit/ confirmed for thinking black literature is not needed in schools. OP STATUS = REKT

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:17:06 2013 No.4400233

>>4400215
I read some of it (even though I'm not American, I read it out of personal interested outside of school). It is indeed very beautiful and worth studying. My point is that it shouldn't be taught just because it was written by black people, but because it is good literature.

Captcha: nnnnyat

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:17:06 2013 No.4400235 >>4400220 This has nothing to do with innovation nothing is as harmful to innovation as establishing truth like multiple choice tests.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:17:06 2013 No.4400236 >>4400233 go back to pol you asshole

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:18:06 2013 No.4400238
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>>4400220
That's a pol way of looking at it but I agree

It's out of hand , the majority of them haven't even done anything worthy of note
>"This black man was the first to do what someone else already did but he did it with black skin!"
Everytime, it's not even needed too state what he is

Unless it's Neil degrasse tyson they shouldn't be there unless stated as a fact they've done something that's well known

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:19:06 2013 No.4400242
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>>4400227
The only reason the "incident" was important was because the race-mixing crowd decided to politicize it for their goals. Think about the Trayvon Martin case, it's the same thing they've always done. They take a non-issue, and then "rally behind it" with lies, exaggerations, and propaganda to reach their political goals. You lived through Trayvon Martin's case, so don't even pretend you don't know how they operate. Time to wake up, this is how the real world works. It's called social engineering.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:21:07 2013 No.4400249
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>>4400222

>Race is just a skin color

Fuck off with this inane conflation, frankly it's offensive to albinos.

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php

>We're all humans after all.

Yeah well both dogs and humans are carbon-based organisms, I guess that means we're the same.

>muh reductio ad absurdum

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:21:07 2013 No.4400250 >>4400242 >state enforced segregation >non-issue Fuck off to /pol/

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:21:07 2013 No.4400255

>>4400220

This is actually true. In most schools now administration dictates that standards include diverse representations in every subject. So now books and secondary material must include blacks, hispanics, asians, disabled, homosexual, ect. That sounds all well and good but when you are talking about specific events its hard to shoe horn in that shit.

"Today class we're going to learn about the founding fathers, turn to page 198 in your textbooks." And what is taking up half of page 198? A blurb about Jamal an African slave who shit in a bucket and his struggle with turds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:23:06 2013 No.4400259 >>4400250 >an argument on a bus >non-issue fixed that for ya, fuck off to reddit

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:24:06 2013 No.4400266

>>4400233

Yeah , but the problem is that many worthy pieces of black lit are overlooked because the power that be have decided that there are many more worthy pieces of white lit that should be focused on. Pieces of minority art and literature should be studied precisely because they are the minority. Not only would this open up students minds to new ideas and viewpoints but it may even inspired new pieces of literature and art as opposed to pieces that follow a more conventional, overdone path.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:25:06 2013 No.4400268 >>4400259 You're delusional to reduce it in that way to suit your specific political preferences, what was it Rosa refused to do exactly?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:25:06 2013 No.4400269 >>4400266 >many worthy pieces of black lit are overlooked because the power that be have decided that there are many more worthy pieces of white lit that should be focused on Proof?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:25:06 2013 No.4400271 File: 41 KB, 500x335, love_being_white[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] www.whitehistorytoday.com

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:26:06 2013 No.4400272 >>4400242 How the hell is that different than what any other group of people have done to rally people behind their goals? I hate to break this to you, but that's not something exclusive to blacks. Why not try a history book?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:27:06 2013 No.4400274 >>4400271 Being so insecure that you need to fuel a site dedicated too anyone with pale or light skin Lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:29:06 2013 No.4400280 File: 36 KB, 490x333, projecting.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400274 >Being so insecure you need a month dedicated to dark skin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:30:07 2013 No.4400283 >>4400280 #REKT

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:30:07 2013 No.4400284

>>4400269

Honestly I don't have any empirical evidence. That statement is more or less based on my experiences in American high school. I went to a school that had a very large "minority" population and yet we still focused almost exclusively on the white literature. From what I can gather, that is the norm for most high schools in this country.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:30:07 2013 No.4400285

>>4400266
>Yeah , but the problem is that many worthy pieces of black lit are overlooked because the power that be have decided that there are many more worthy pieces of white lit that should be focused on.
theyre overlooked because theyre garbage. look at the best they can muster >>4400220 and yes there are more important things to read than "we thin gin we so kewl so die soon." its not everyone elses fault you cant come up with anything ground breaking. its bad enough we have to pretend people like kanye west are artistic geniuses just for the sake of diversity on television.
>Pieces of minority art and literature should be studied precisely because they are the minority.
"diversity is strength" cool opinion bro
>Not only would this open up students minds to new ideas and viewpoints
you mean new ideas like >>4400220 "we cool we thin gin we so kewl"
>but it may even inspired new pieces of literature and art as opposed to pieces that follow a more conventional, overdone path.
are you saying only people with a different skin color can be unconventional? im pretty sure that most counter cultures are created by the majority group too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:30:07 2013 No.4400287 >>4400274 >Conflating race with skin color >2013 >Not understanding that race is geographic ancestry Marxist ideologues pls go

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:30:07 2013 No.4400288 >>4400280 "Today class is the first day of black history month, I hope you've all secured your bikes with locks."

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:31:07 2013 No.4400290 >>4400274 Being so insecure you need an entire month dedicated to people of your skin color's heritage. Lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:31:07 2013 No.4400291 >>4400280 After 200 years of subjugation and segregation being told by the very structure of society that you're inferior. Do you know what nuance is you whiny pussy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:32:06 2013 No.4400296 >>4400288 why doesn't my teacher know how to use a semicolon

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:32:06 2013 No.4400297

>>4400272
>how is rallying behind a black woman who had an argument on a bus (created by whites) different from an all out war against the most powerful empire on earth to establish a sovereign nation with a unique governing style

this is how stupid you sound. we learn about the bus argument as being equal in importance to the american revolution, if this doesnt tell you theyre desperate to include "minorities" then nothing does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:34:07 2013 No.4400302 File: 6 KB, 119x127, 1387906460171.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400280 I;m not even black >>4400280 >>4400290 You insecure whites are so predictable

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:34:07 2013 No.4400303 >>4400296 Because you are in an inner city school and funding that should go towards hiring qualified teachers instead goes to basketball americans getting free breakfasts and after school crack clubs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:34:07 2013 No.4400304 >>4400297 To considerable percentage of the population that was a very important. Get over yourself, stupid solipsist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:35:07 2013 No.4400306 In my high school Biology class we were taught there was no such thing as race, and global warming was taught as a fact.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:35:07 2013 No.4400307

>>4400266
And I do think there actually are. Why? Because white people, throughout history, have had more access to writing and education than black people. Thats also the reason why the great scientific ideas were almost without exception discovered by white man, and not women or black people. Classical mechanics: Galileo, Newton, Kepler and other white males; Evolution: Darwin and Wallace; Genetics: Mendel. There are more books by white authors that should be studied just as there are more ideas by white scientists that should be studied.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:35:07 2013 No.4400309 File: 453 KB, 877x757, 1387906542099.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400291 >we need to spend time and resources to reverse hurt feelings and hurtful ideas yea, no thanks. i dont care about your feelings. i care about space travel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:35:07 2013 No.4400310 >>4400302 Why are you writing in the dumb white man language of English?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:36:06 2013 No.4400312 >>4400304 Event*

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:36:06 2013 No.4400313 >>4399948 Yes, actually.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:37:06 2013 No.4400314 >>4400302 >implying I'm white and not Korean Nice try. I just call racism when I see it - including racism against whites.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:37:06 2013 No.4400315 >>4400287 >>Not understanding that race is geographic ancestry Totally misinterpretating what I just said >>4400310 >Implying all whites are dumb Fuck you insecure irrelevant ones are hilarious >muh heratige >muh achievements I haven't done

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:37:06 2013 No.4400317

>>4400220
I have to say I agree. Further, the reasoning they use to include them is crazy. It can all be boiled down to this statement:

Black people/women/minority group will be more interested in learning certain things if there are other black people/women/people from minority groups who are successful in those fields.

For art, inventing and promoting success of these minority groups is not hard to do, as you can get away with saying virtually any piece of art is important for this or that reason without getting into technical details and people will eat it up.

Science and math is where the problems start, because while its "subjective" that Bach is better than Charlie Parker, its less subjective to say that Gauss was a superior mathematician than Sophie Germain.

More on to my point, I am a student of mathematics. I did NOT start mathematics because I wanted to be like Gauss. I did not even know who Gauss really was until I started to do number theory, after I had already decided to devote my life to mathematics. Heroes or role models do not stir strong interests in specific things. Indeed, its possible to have somebody as a role model who was in a completely different field than the one you want to be in. Who is not inspired by Beethoven, who "seized fate by the throat" and even though he was deaf managed to change music forever? I am not a musician, but the man is still an inspiration.

Further, this insistence that role models must be of your gender and race is also foolish. Can I not admire Grace Hopper, the female who invented the world's first compiler and coined the term "bug"?

But even if I do admire them, it takes MORE than mere admiration for some people who were successful in order to actually do something. A role model is not only not sufficient, its not even really necessary. You have to enjoy what you're doing on a basic, raw level. Mozart was said to write music all day, and Beethoven too spoke of getting absorbed in "making harmonies". I too get absorbed in math. I enjoy when I prove something and I enjoy even when I fail. At some basic level, even if the "dead white males" did not exist, or if they were all black, I would still enjoy doing mathematics. My own personal enjoyment of sitting down with a cup of coffee and trying to reason my way through problems are what keep me going, not some strange desire to fill the shoes or "be like" of some dead white guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:38:06 2013 No.4400319 >>4400309 >yea, no thanks. i dont care about truth. i care about space travel. Good luck with that, nerd.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:38:06 2013 No.4400320 >>4400315 Nothing wrong with White Pride.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:39:06 2013 No.4400326 >>4400314 Hey we white people don't need you Asians slave mentality to defend us. You just keep making our shoes and t-shirts.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:40:07 2013 No.4400328
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>>4400307
>Because white people, throughout history, have had more access to writing and education than black people.
or it could be the more obvious conclusion, you know, that the same thing that allowed them to develop science and writing to begin with is what allows them to have more access to it...

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:40:07 2013 No.4400329 >>4400326 Nice try, I know you're not white.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:40:07 2013 No.4400330 >>4400320 Nothign wrong with pride at all But the ridiculously idort man children who behave like they're direct descendants too King Arthur and imply everything is catered to them are a shamble too look at, >tfw I'm related to William the conqueror

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:41:07 2013 No.4400333 >>4400326 Whatever you say, friend. I'll just be over here stealing your women.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:41:07 2013 No.4400335 File: 76 KB, 500x463, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400326 >We white Ya, no. Go away Jamal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:42:06 2013 No.4400338 >>4400329 Actually I'm white, I'm just not American so I don't care about "racism" since I live in a country with an actual history.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:43:06 2013 No.4400340 File: 793 KB, 1080x3566, 1354732448144.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >muh skin color muddafugga Meanwhile in reality

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:44:06 2013 No.4400341 >>4400338 This, Whoever is posting in this board thinks whoever objectifies their stupid arguments must be non white

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:47:06 2013 No.4400350 File: 46 KB, 500x476, jpg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400335 >We... don't need

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:52:06 2013 No.4400364
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>>4400330
>Laughing at libshits is the same as self entitlement.
It's a wonder you're all a bunch of spinsters and self hating college kiddies taking african/womyns studies while bitching about being neck deep in debt.
>ITS TEH EVIL WHITE MANS FAULT

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:52:06 2013 No.4400366

>Everyone having a frank discussion about race
>Some guy comes in and spouts "niggers" etc.

This is why racial realism will not ever be taken seriously. The right wing has the smartest and dumbest people. But there are as ten times as many people on the right who hate "faggots" as there are those smart individuals who simply want gays to not be completely immune to criticism in the media, want literature and plays to reflect more stable societal values such as monogamy and a lack of promiscuity, and who realize the very serious problems that come with viewing everything in an oppressor/oppressed paradigm.

I tend to lean right on a lot of things but "hurrf durf feggitz and joos, get in the kitchen fukin cunt" really, honestly and truly sets anything the right has to say about racial realism/affirmative action/feminism back farther than any actual argumentation from the left.

The right simply destroys itself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:52:06 2013 No.4400369 >niggers >writing books pick uno

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:54:08 2013 No.4400371
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>>4400285

>theyre overlooked because theyre garbage.
I can only assume then that you have indeed read all the black literature that is available because I refuse to believe someone as smart as you would pull assumptions out of your asshole.

>are you saying only people with a different skin color can be unconventional? im pretty sure that most counter cultures are created by the majority group too.

Why is it so hard to accept that people of different cultures may have different and yes, even significantly profound, viewpoints that are not always readily and aptly expressed by the white majority? Why is it so hard for you to wrap your mind around the fact that different cultures and backgrounds may breed different writing styles and techniques?

I'm honestly not very well-verse in black lit but, at the same time, I refuse to believe that an entire race of people have failed to write anything significant or groundbreaking. I'm not arrogant enough to turn my nose up to an entire group of people.

Why don't you give it a shot? Do some research and see if you can find a worthy black book. I'm more than sure they're out there. This is exactly what I'm going to do when I finish reading the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
>MFW I'm reading a book by dead white-man extraordinaire.

.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:55:08 2013 No.4400376 File: 55 KB, 620x413, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400350 >Le funny reaction pics. Please sir/madame, tell us how we're going to beat those evil fascist white men that are oppressing us!!!!111

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:55:08 2013 No.4400378

>>4398876

>The word "nigger" is controversial
>Many of these books have the word "nigger" in it
>Parents don't want their children's sensibilities exposed to the word "nigger"
By the rules of being a double-plus-good bureaucrat in the 21st Century books with the word "nigger" are subject to objection, even if it is used in 'the good way.'

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:57:08 2013 No.4400386

>>4399903
>Bring technology, superior western philosophy, and everything in general humans come to know today and progress natives to the stars
>The horrors of what they did! 1.6% of American families owned slaves at it's height even though white slaves were regularly traded through Asia Minor, there being more slaves in Africa than there was anywhere outside and slaves being taken care of much better in European lands than their own domestic lands.

>>4399890
>Height isn't different from race.

/Lit/ is such an intellectual board! So prone to intelligent debate, a hive for creative thinking and it definitely isn't an echo-chamber where people 'hide' each others comments and report for opposing world views. Wait to be reminiscent of reddit, /lit/! This board has been successfully shitted on since I first came here, unrightfully so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:59:08 2013 No.4400391 >>4400386 >1.6% of American families owned slaves That's a pretty significant amount, don't get why people use this argument

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:59:08 2013 No.4400393 >>4400033 No one fucking organizes raids on this board. Some people from /pol/ leak, yes, but it's also a place where right wing thinkers also migrate to because they enjoy literature. Jesus, get out of the liberal echo-chamber for two seconds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:00:08 2013 No.4400396 >>4400366 In a similar vein this is a very interesting piece. http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2012/06/01/liberalism-hbd-population-and-solutions-for-the-future/

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:01:08 2013 No.4400397 >>4400306 >global warming was taught as a fact. It is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:01:08 2013 No.4400398 >>4400393 NO. YOU'RE ALL FROM POL

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:02:08 2013 No.4400404 File: 176 KB, 1064x536, 1387908149746.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400397 if it is then why is it illegal to say its not? that reminds me of another thing people claim is "fact" which really isnt... hmmm...

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:02:08 2013 No.4400406

>>4400306
Well, the earth is warming. Whether or not humans are affecting it, and, if they are, the degree to which they are affecting it as well as the feasibility/practicality of the remedies in the current era of globalization are the real questions being asked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:03:08 2013 No.4400407 >>4400404 >why is it illegal to say its not? It isn't.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:03:08 2013 No.4400408

>>4400391
1.6% of American families including blacks is pretty low. Blacks and modern liberals often have the mentality that 30% or greater owned slaves, when this is not the case. The elite owned many. The only people outside the elite that owned slaves were reserved farmers who saved up hundreds upon hundreds to buy them, and this was a very little amount.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:04:08 2013 No.4400410 >>4400393 you actually think this? A link to this thread is on /pol/ with like 100+ replies

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:04:08 2013 No.4400412 >>4400391 Consider the fact that shitloads of white immigrants came AFTER the civil war.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:05:08 2013 No.4400415 >>4400410 Pretty sure that was made by /lit/. /lit/ was the shitposters all along.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:06:08 2013 No.4400418

>>4400398
Paranoia at it's finest, the modern liberal. Holy shit.

There's a difference between the classicals and the moderns of the left. From what I've seen in the world's current political climate, the modern liberal is nothing like based Voltaire and has very little resemblance to heroes of the past.

>>4400410
What? The thread someone made saying "stop raiding us" to which no one knew what the fuck he was talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:07:08 2013 No.4400420 Well the thread went to shit quick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:08:08 2013 No.4400423 >>4400418 >Paranoia at it's finest, the modern liberal. Holy shit. Total inability to detect sarcasm at its finest, the modern 4channer. Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:08:08 2013 No.4400424 File: 69 KB, 1425x625, Modern_incidence_of_slavery[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >muh oppression

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:08:08 2013 No.4400426

>>4400408
>Blacks and modern liberals often have the mentality that 30% or greater owned slaves, when this is not the case.

link me to a survey of people saying they think the percentage is that high

and yeah 1.6% is a big portion of highly wealthy Americans owning slaves, how the fuck is that not historically significant? it doesn't matter if people think the number was higher, you're throwing that statistic around like it's supposed to blow our minds

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:10:07 2013 No.4400430 >>4400396 What is HBD?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:10:07 2013 No.4400432 >>4400423 >Sarcasm through text

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:11:07 2013 No.4400437 >>4400418 >The thread someone made saying "stop raiding us" >actually thinking someone from /lit/ made that thread no anon you are paranoid

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:12:07 2013 No.4400443 >>4400437 >The thread someone made saying "stop raiding us" >actually thinking someone from /lit/ made that thread Yes, that's the logical conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:13:07 2013 No.4400444 >>4400430 Human Biodiversity, a.k.a Race Realism. http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:13:07 2013 No.4400446
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>>4400426
>how the fuck is that not historically significant?
because a small amount of people owned slaves, some of them were actually free black men in fact, most whites in america came after slavery, theyre claiming whites globally owe them something when in fact whites made their lives better and were the ONLY ones on the planet trying to create freedom, whites and blacks both were indentured servants working towards land and freedom which is a better deal than youll get today working at walmart, and slavery in america was created by a black man to begin with. i can go on forever with these factoids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:13:07 2013 No.4400447 >>4400432 I'm so impressed by your intelligent response to that criticism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:13:07 2013 No.4400448 >>4400432 >being a /pol/ degenerate unable to comprehend symbols adequately to post on /lit/ Get out scum.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:14:07 2013 No.4400450 File: 89 KB, 431x538, gay.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4398876 >tfw gay Indian writing about a teenage lesbian Beur four thousand years in the future >tfw I still see fragments of my own personality in her H-help, guys.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:14:07 2013 No.4400452

>>4399988
>>4399995
>White twenty-somethings defending niggers swarming into white schools, being disruptive, failing or being forced through two years of college on the tax payer dime to get a 1.3 GPA
>"At least it felt right at the time"

Wow /lit/ is a shithole. I hope you faggots live to see our "multicultural utopia" in fifty years. I really do. At least the Asians will remove nog from Africa and actually fucking use it for something but they have no human empathy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:15:07 2013 No.4400454 >>4400444 So the nigger blogger is racist? Lol. Does he hate himself?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:15:07 2013 No.4400455

>>4400426
Go ask anybody you know how many slaves they think whites owned. I'm sure it's above 1.6% and that is because of propaganda.

1.6% is fucking nothing compared to other countries, this is something that African-Americans hype up to be the great cataclysm that gives them the inability to learn on normal standards with middle class white kids 150 years later.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:16:07 2013 No.4400457 File: 536 KB, 900x734, 1384062134742.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400448 >Symbols I don't think you know what you're saying anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:18:07 2013 No.4400462 File: 87 KB, 466x423, i'm too gay for this shit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400457 >he doesn't know what semiotics are Holy shit, >>>/pol/. Nobody here is shit-stupid enough to actually fall for your /v/-tier tactics.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:19:07 2013 No.4400465

>>4400455

>Of all 1,515,605 free families in the fifteen slave states in 1860, nearly 400,000 held slaves (roughly one in four, or 25%),[3] amounting to 8% of all American families.[4]

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>The United States Census of 1860 was the eighth Census conducted in the United States. It determined the population of the United States to be 31,443,321, an increase of 35.4 percent over the 23,191,875 persons enumerated during the 1850 Census. The total population included 3,953,761 slaves, representing 12.7% of the total population.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:19:07 2013 No.4400467 >>4400437 /lit/ shitposted on /pol/ /pol/ actually is here now, and you brought it upon yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:21:09 2013 No.4400474 >>4400443 No one from /lit/ actually uses that "shitlord/check ur privilege" style tumblr/srs lingo. It was a thread started by someone from /pol/ to laugh at /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:21:09 2013 No.4400475 >>4400030 >>4400033 Wow I guess these liberal intellectuals over really are more mature and wise! I'm definitely going to be sticking around this place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:22:09 2013 No.4400476 >>4399979 >a country built on slavery! >without slaves America would be nothing, much like all of Europe >oh wait

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:22:09 2013 No.4400478 >>4400465 This the figure saying the percentage is that low is from the Barnes Review, a white nationalist magazine http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/barnes-review

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:23:09 2013 No.4400481 >>4400476 You can hardly think it's coincidental that America became so much more powerful and wealthy than Europe.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:23:09 2013 No.4400483

>>4400455
>counting the non slave states

you people are so fucking dumb

Between 12% (Maryland) and 49% (Mississippi) of families owned slaves.

MARYLAND 12,00%

MISSOURI 13,00%

ARKANSAS 20,00%

KENTUCKY 23,00%

TENNESSEE 25,00%

VIRGINIA 26,00%

NORTH CAROLINA 28,00%

TEXAS 28,00%

LOUISIANA 29,00%

FLORIDA 34,00%

ALABAMA 35,00%

GEORGIA 37,00%

SOUTH CAROLINA 46,00%

MISSISSIPPI 49,00%

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:23:09 2013 No.4400484
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/pol/ diplomat here. Please excuse the reactionary vocal minority from /pol/ who are here kneejerking over >>>/pol/24595802 . They are not representative of the entire board. They will surely lose interest soon and return to the pit of /pol/arization from whence they came.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:24:09 2013 No.4400490 >>4399927 That was such a funny book, my sides ached from cover to cover

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:24:09 2013 No.4400491 File: 27 KB, 645x155, butterfly.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400474 Really? Why are you blatantly lying?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:24:09 2013 No.4400492 >>4400457 >What is letters? GTFO now

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:25:09 2013 No.4400493 >>4400481 A coincidence? With all that white and Jewish immigration and two world wars that devastated Europe? Of course not.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:25:09 2013 No.4400494

>>4400465
>Of the 27 million whites counted in the 1860 census, 8 million lived in the slave owning states of the South. Of these, 385,000 owned slaves. Statistically, 4.8% of all Southern whites owned slaves.

>When factored by the entire population, 1.4% of all United States whites were slave owners.

Suite101: |The 1860 Census and Slavery in the United States: Interpreting Census Data and Research Institute on Pre-Civil War Slavery |

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:25:09 2013 No.4400496 >>4400484 That /lit/ shitposting thread got deleted. good.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:27:09 2013 No.4400502

>>4400483
>>4400465

Of the 27 million whites counted in the 1860 census, 8 million lived in the slave owning states of the South. Of these, 385,000 owned slaves. Statistically, 4.8% of all Southern whites owned slaves. When factored by the entire population, 1.4% of all United States whites were slave owners. The Gone With the Wind notion that most Southerners owned large numbers of slaves and lived in huge plantations is a myth.

Deep South states held the most slaves and this is where most of the larger plantations existed. Mississippi’s slave population stood at 55% out of a total population of 791,305. South Carolina’s slave population represented 57% of the total population. These percentages decrease with upper South states like Virginia (31%), Tennessee (25%), and Kentucky (20%). Border States like Maryland accounted for the lowest numbers (13%).

In 1860, there were 4.5 million blacks in the United States, 4 million living in the South. Of those, 261,988 were free blacks living in the South, usually in urban centers like New Orleans that accounted for 10,689 free blacks. Restrictions on free blacks were severe, however. They could not move from one state to another and in 1859 the Arkansas legislature, for example, passed a law ordering sheriffs to force freedmen out of the state. The Arkansas slave population was at 26%.

Free Blacks That Owned Slaves in the Pre-Civil War South

According to Duke University’s Emeritus Professor, John Hope Franklin, in New Orleans over 3000 free blacks owned slaves themselves (or 28% of the black population). In Louisiana, 6 blacks owned 65 or more slaves while in Charleston, SC, 125 blacks owned slaves, 6 owning ten or more. In North Carolina there were 69 black slave owners.

Statistically, this represents a fraction of all slave holders and many theories can be ventured to explain the phenomenon. In some cases, free blacks with financial means used the system to buy the freedom of family and friends, perhaps through the slave system, thus adding to statistical data that usually paints a sterile picture and leaves interpretations to the historian. It would be grossly negligent to use such statistics to justify slavery by intimating that free blacks supported the evil institution.

Alfred H. Kelly and Winfred A. Harbison, The American Constitution: Its Origins & Development (New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1976)

Frederick Merk, History of the Westward Movement (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1978)

Howard Zinn, A People’s History of the United States (available on-line)

The 1860 Census

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:27:09 2013 No.4400503 >>4400493 The US was a global power before WWI, that's why we were able to leverage the world wars to become a superpower.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:28:09 2013 No.4400504

>>4400123
Walter Williams

Man this thread is something. You guys are a buncha soft-skinned babies with the ideological strength of a small flower.

>GO AWAY
>I CAN'T HEAR THINGS I DISLIKE BASED ON EMOTION AND NOTHING ELSE OR I WILL BECOME PHYSICALLY UPSET

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:29:09 2013 No.4400508 >>4400492 The letters are normal. Am I supposed to see something in the letters?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:29:09 2013 No.4400510 >>4400491 I really think /pol/ must be autistic. They can't tell when someone is being sarcastic or trying to egg them on. No wonder they fall prey to every piece of agitprop they see.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:29:09 2013 No.4400511 File: 42 KB, 604x450, gamersgettingcreepy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400484 >if i act like a pussy people will like me

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:29:09 2013 No.4400512 >>4400503 Along with many European countries. The U.S. really got the edge thanks to the Great War, which put it in its current dominant position.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:30:09 2013 No.4400513 >>4400143 It also happens to be true, you white self-defeating idiot. When niggers invent a planetary culture get back to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:31:09 2013 No.4400514 >>4398990 wat the Invisible Man is a book about a man that turned fucking invisible you dumb-ass. Sure could be a metaphor for race but really how have you never heard of this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:31:09 2013 No.4400518 File: 414 KB, 616x1024, 1387909905511.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400510

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:31:09 2013 No.4400519 >>4400502 www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2821/before-the-civil-war-were-some-slave-owners-black a good portion of free blacks bought slaves with the intention of freeing them

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:32:09 2013 No.4400520

>>4400504
>fighting a /lit/ boogeyman conjured by /pol/ cirklejerks

Try to go take a look around at other threads on this board. Who am I kidding get out, you wouldn't be able to put together a cogent quality post about a literary work anyways. You probably don't read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:33:09 2013 No.4400528 >>4400508 I give up. Read books educate yourself. Language is the darnedest thing. Look up structuralism and semiotics, it probably wouldn't interest you since it says nothing about niggers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:35:09 2013 No.4400533 /lit/ was so wrecked in this thread it's painful to watch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:35:09 2013 No.4400535 >>4400528 Semiotics with sarcasm is only detected in case of verbal presence. Arguing about whether a dull statement that could have fallen unisex to both real and unreal is incredibly stupid and doesn't help you at all.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:36:16 2013 No.4400537

>>4400502
>Of the 27 million whites counted in the 1860 census, 8 million lived in the slave owning states of the South. Of these, 385,000 owned slaves. Statistically, 4.8% of all Southern whites owned slaves. When factored by the entire population, 1.4% of all United States whites were slave owners. The Gone With the Wind notion that most Southerners owned large numbers of slaves and lived in huge plantations is a myth.

This is a really misleading rubric. You could use the same logic to say that only a fraction of the American population lives in houses because only a small percentage legally own homes. But of course, homeowners live in homes with their entire family.

Slaves may have legally belonged to one person, but the slave served that person's entire family. 25% of southern families owned slaves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:37:16 2013 No.4400540 >>4400535 Your doing it wrong, you forgot the context.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:39:16 2013 No.4400543 >>4400533 Stating something doesn't make it so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:39:16 2013 No.4400546 >>4400543 /lit/s anus will never be the same

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:40:16 2013 No.4400547

>>4400535
>Arguing about whether a dull statement that could have fallen unisex to both real and unreal

You are cataclysmically dumb. The sarcasm in the post that started this argument was so obvious that you would need to be honestly delusional to think otherwise. What is wrong with you?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:44:17 2013 No.4400562

>>4400537
A slave does one action at a time and will be working at the same pace regardless if he has more than one person in queue. Just because an old, reserved yeoman farmer had one son and that slave brought drinks to the son on his offtime doesn't make him also legally the slave of that son.

You could make an analogy with that logic that a man with a gun or possession of any object is not truly going to use it 24/7, but that does not mean it is not legally soulbound to him and him only. 1.4% of all American families owned slaves, 4.8% of all Southern whites owned slaves.

Many slave owners didn't trust African-Americans anyways and the wife was almost always a housewife. You seem like you're suggesting they're doing housework so that makes them shared, but this really wasn't the case. They were paid to do the back-breaking work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:46:17 2013 No.4400568 >>4400547 Subjective, just like your exaggeration.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:46:17 2013 No.4400571

>>4400562

The household receives the services of the slave. It doesn't matter who the slave is "actually" serving.

If only the patriarch of the family drives the car, does the rest of the family receive no use from it?

Stop being obtuse to support your particular worldview.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:48:17 2013 No.4400576

>>4400571
I can tell you didn't read what I said beyond the first sentence. The slave was almost never used for housework because that was taken care of by the housewife. Slaves were very expensive, and when you had them you sent them out to do the hard labor. Almost no yeoman farmer families owned more than one or two slaves.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:50:17 2013 No.4400583

>>4400576
>I can tell you didn't read what I said beyond the first sentence.

I can tell you don't know what is meant by serving the household. Do you think just because the slave is doing hard labor out in the fields and not directly waiting on the family, the family receives no benefit from that? The family's livelihood depends on the slave labor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:50:17 2013 No.4400584 >>4400072 Wait so the half black president is full black and a nigger but Dumas is half black but pretty much white? Wut they are both mixed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:52:17 2013 No.4400591 What happened here? Is anyone even discussing why the books in OP's list are banned from schools?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:52:17 2013 No.4400592 >>4400568 >Subjective Like that gets you off the hook, admitting your subjectivity (which means your worldview and accumulated qualitative life experience) is stupid is refreshingly honest for a /pol/ mongrel though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:53:17 2013 No.4400598 >>4400591 Welcome to /pol/ newfriend.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:56:17 2013 No.4400610

>>4400583
They don't 'depend' on it, but yes they rely on it. They rely on him/her to go outside and do hard labor. Small little accidents like alcohol spills or events like passing out food is not something an expensive slave comes in to do, especially when their status did not permit this. The entire families livelihood is not dependent on him/her enough for the census to record it.

This is an incredibly weak argument and doesn't warrant an entire warping of the federal census's information.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:59:17 2013 No.4400624

>>4400592
Not from /pol/, only browse /a/. I said your samefag opinion telling how very easy the sarcasm was to notice was subjective as it was very short and warranted a better hyperbole. You used 'cataclysmically' wrong, so I responded that you exaggerate yourself in correlation to your own subjective statement.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:01:19 2013 No.4400625 >>4400266 >Pieces of minority art and literature should be studied precisely because they are the minority. Why? If they have no merit then they have no merit and honestly fuck minorities, they're a minority.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:02:19 2013 No.4400631

>>4400610

You can plug your ears and ignore it all you want, number of households is the best measure of who owned slaves. That's how the fucking census reported it in the first place.

We measure home ownership by percentage of households.
We measure car ownership by percentage of households.
We measure television ownership by percentage of households.
We measure pet ownership by percentage of households.

We measure home ownership by percentage of households.

25% of families in slave-owning states received the services of at least one slave during the height of slavery. 8% of all US families.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:03:19 2013 No.4400637 >>4400631 Whoops, I didn't mean to put home onwership twice. Well, you get the point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:08:19 2013 No.4400650 File: 56 KB, 361x361, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400302 >Calls us insecure >Is a self-hating, intellectually dishonest faggot out of fear of labels and the need to feel accepted with the current media ideology

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:08:19 2013 No.4400651

>>4400631
You're stating bad analogies that I've already deconstructed in the past. You can choose to ignore them all you want, just like you did my first post. A home is equally used by all members, cars are more closer to equally used by all members, television is nearly on average equally used by all members, pet ownership (?).

A slave is not. It's a very weak argument and that is the reason it is not historically recognized

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:09:19 2013 No.4400652 >>4400651 >>4400631 Also, the census does not say that at all. Census just states how many there are in each state.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:17:20 2013 No.4400678

>>4400651
>You're stating bad analogies that I've already deconstructed in the past.

No, you've just committed a lot of special pleading and gone off on bizarre tangents about how since slaves didn't clean up "alcohol spills" the family somehow doesn't receive the slave's services. On what fucking planet do you live where a slave performing back-breaking work in the field benefits no one but the man whose name is on the purchase slip? The slave labored for the household, the slave brought income to the household.

And the simple fact is if you went house to house in the antebellum south, 1 in 4 of them would have slaves. That's insane.

>the reason it is not historically recognized

Every historical reference will report slave ownership by household first and foremost. You're so far up your own ass here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:30:20 2013 No.4400712 File: 37 KB, 500x333, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400371 >All this bullshit defending something you admittedly have no experience with Are leftists just really dedicated trolls?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:41:23 2013 No.4400735 File: 209 KB, 1068x747, 1360709619601.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4400712 >implying you're not so far to the right that you would think Ronald Reagan was a "leftist".

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:52:29 2013 No.4401192 Spooks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:55:29 2013 No.4401202 Nigger + Stirner = Jaden.

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