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What's the best Kurt Vonnegut novel and why is it Timequake?

>> No.4380422

What's the worst format with which to begin a thread and why is it this?

>> No.4380428

>>4380394
slaughter house 5 because its the most personal

>> No.4380430

>>4380422

This is the worst. Prove me wrong.

>> No.4380444

>>4380430

I'm really tired of all these post-modern, nihilistic, cultural-marxist thread formats.

Can /lit/ recommend me some good, manly thread formats with life-affirming themes and no degenerate influences?

>> No.4380476

>>4380444
I like it. You suck dongs.

>> No.4380480

sirens of titan cause muh free will

>> No.4380493

>>4380422

Who is the biggest whore I've ever rimmed and why is it your mom?

>> No.4380514

>>4380480
seconded

>> No.4380692

>>4380428
Second this. SH5 is easily his best.

>> No.4380720

>>4380428
>>4380692
>I have a friend who i lent SH5 to
>he decided he hated it
>his reasons where that
>>THE EVENTS JUST SORT OF HAPPENED WITHOUT EXPLANATION
>>THE CHARACTERS WERENT DEEP
>>HE WROTE THE WAY HE DID IN ORDER TO APPEAR ARTISTIC
>>THE TIME TRAVEL WAS BULLSHIT AND DIDNT NEED TO BE IN
>>I DONT GET THE THEMES

Confirmed for superpleb or confirmed for superpleb?

>> No.4380730
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>> No.4380749

Sirens of the Titan

The plot is no arbitrary.

>> No.4380750

>Americans writing about ideology and politics
Almost always cancerous.
Americans really should stick to poetry.

>> No.4380752

>>4380394
Timequake was humorous at times, but more than that I remember it being tremendously dull. Vonnegut was an old man talking about his life, and that's what it sounded like.

SH5 shits on it.

>> No.4380803

>>4380720
confirmed for ultrapleb

>> No.4380977

>>4380394

Please, it's Mother Night.

>> No.4380987

I wrote a paper on SL5, got an A on it, but I definitely feel like I missed out on a lot of overarching themes and cultural/historical references in it. What are some of the less common viewpoints you've seen in SL5?

>> No.4381017

>>4380977
Agreed. I don't understand how people think books like Sirens of Titan even compare.

>> No.4381802

>TFW billy was suffering from PTSD
>TFW talfamadorians werent real, but made up by billy

why am I such an idiot for taking the book literally?

>> No.4381811

>>4380750
> Vonnegut
> Politics and ideology
vad de fickan

>> No.4381842

>>4380987
Well, the way I've viewed SH5 seems to be pretty rare. Basically.

> The novel is about Vonneguts WW2 trauma and his inability to process it properly
> He tries to write a proper novel about Dresden to allow himself some peace
> Billy is just a caricature for him: a frail man without sight unable to make a stand who cannot control his mind when it comes to past memories
> Both Billy and Vonnegut try to help this by trying to come to terms with Dresden by re-imagining it
> The deeper the reader goes, the more absurd, silly the story goes -> Vonnegut believed that humour rose of stress
> Vonnegut as a novelist at that point had mostly written sci-fi schlock just like Kilgore Trout
> Trafalmadorians are there to for Vonnegut to escape this easier, less painful world that tries to explain harsh truths with bliss of determinism
> Appearances of characters from Mother Night, which carried the whole "You will become the mask you bear" aesop is in play here as well with Billy becoming a normal american although he has an untreated PTSD
So in conclusion Vonnegut adds sci-fi and humour to his story to be able to get over Dresden memory.

>> No.4382040

>>4381811
Vonnegut is clearly a marxist anti-white.

>> No.4382395

>>4380977

Thrided, This is the most beautiful story he's ever written.

>> No.4382448

>>4380394

Cracka, check dat Slaughterhouse 5. Vonnegut is a mo'fucker with sum tricks up his sleeve, but if you have to break the nigga down the the essentials that's the shit.

>>4381842
>So in conclusion Vonnegut adds sci-fi and humour to his story to be able to get over Dresden memory.

Column A.

Column B:

Nigga be transcending reality and adopting da gallows to ease the horror of Dresden and the history of the real holocaust into the consciousness of a world which is brainwashed by hebrew hoodoo.

You can tell that mo'fucker wised up pretty quick after going through that.

>> No.4383901

>>4380720
I love it when people say someone tried to appear. The writer can't just be good at writing, he must be trying to be good. The time travel and especially the 4th dimensional beings were do interesting, fuck your friends opinions. I don't get the themes? Did he even read it? NEVER let him read Pynchon, tell him Pynchon is worse than any rand or something.

>> No.4383914

>>4380730
God no! I'm convinced This is Vonneguts version of bob Dylan's self album Self Portrait. That or he wrote it when he was 12, lost it, found it decades later and for a joke released it.

>> No.4383918

>>4380977
I thought it was blandly written so it made it hard to really get deep into the story, which I found not as good as Sh5 and Sh5 is written very well.

>> No.4383921

>>4381802
Did Vonnegut ever say this wad the case?

>> No.4386137

>>4382448
this guy is hilarious and i hope he keeps posting

>> No.4387156

>>4380480
Sirens of Titan because the need for human progression is more important than happiness.