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"To pretend, I actually do the thing: I have therefore only pretended to pretend." - Jacques Derrida

>> No.4376686

Pretend to kill yourself.

>> No.4376706

To do the thing, I actually pretend: I have therefore I have only pretended to pretend to pretend.

>> No.4376729

meind = blawn

>> No.4378403

he was a genius

>> No.4378422

>>4376671
the goals are different, you pretend in order to convey or dupe, and you do the real thing to achieve something you aim at

>> No.4378456

I do that too.

When I lie about something I did, I try to make it happen. For instance, my girlfriend called me, but I didn't want to answer. Later, I called her back and told her I went to the market and forgot my cellphone. She asked me what I bought, I said rice, Coca-cola and some dish washing soap, without hesitation. After that, I actually went to the market and bought the soap and the Coca, though I already had the rice. This way, when she came here, it was as if I really did it. And I did.

I find this very fascinating. I constantly pretend to pretend. The goals are indeed different, but my very lie becomes a motivation to do the thing. I believe this has good and bad consequences.

>> No.4378490

>>4376671
Where's that Russell quote

>> No.4378495

>>4376671
Insecure compensating faggots won't get this quote. For everyone honest this is obvious

>> No.4378496

there's probably a joke about trolling in this somewhere

>> No.4378506

"I was only pretending to be retarded;"

Derrida, JAQUES

>> No.4378586

nailed it

>> No.4378623

type derrida into tumblr and discover a new level of cringe worthiness

>> No.4380407

>>4378456
This has nothing to do with the quote

>> No.4380424
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>> No.4380429

>>4378456
>Later, I called her back and told her I went to the market and forgot my cellphone. She asked me what I bought, I said rice, Coca-cola and some dish washing soap, without hesitation. After that, I actually went to the market and bought the soap and the Coca, though I already had the rice. This way, when she came here, it was as if I really did it. And I did.
but you could have just not gone, or said something else, or told her that you just didn't want to talk to her or were asleep or something. literally everything in this scenario is totally contingent and all fucked up and retarded as shit
>The goals are indeed different, but my very lie becomes a motivation to do the thing.
lol the lie wasn't even the motivation in your example

>> No.4380883

Is this tantamount to behaviourism?

>> No.4380975

>>4378456
>rice
is your a gf a chinese qt?

>> No.4380978

>>4378456
wow you are so manipulative and have such power over people

wowwwwwww

>> No.4380992

>>4376671
If your eyes can't see the mirror, how do you know your eyes are real?

>> No.4381037

>>4380992
You don't.

>> No.4381164

>>4378506
>>4378506
perfect

>> No.4381178

What a PRETENtious quote.

>> No.4381196

>>4378456

Call the cops, this could be our only to chance to catch this criminal mastermind.

>> No.4381256

>>4380429
I could have said something different, but I didn't. I work through what I think is acceptable for her (regardless on what actually is) and use that in my lie. Then, I have the obligation to turn my lie into a reality. This is far from being a conscious process, I'm reading this situation after it happened. I'm functioning through what I believe the other wants from me, that's why it is, in a way, harmful.

The lie is based upon an ideal image (what I should have done, what I should be). It's not the real reason, but then, I become this image by actually doing what I said I did. It's different from just lying, pretending to be something I am not. It's also different from just being honest, in which you avoid cultivating these images.

If I want to lie, but I choose to be honest because I think I should be (based on an ideal image), am I not lying to myself too?

>lol the lie wasn't even the motivation in your example
If I didn't lie, I would probably not go to the market at all. I felt that I had to buy those things, but if not for the lie that reflected itself on the other, I wouldn't have done it.

>>4380407
What is it about? I have no context and know little of Derrida. I guess I went a bit Lacanian here.

>> No.4381503

>>4381178
you mean pre-teentious

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>>4380429
>or told her that you just didn't want to talk to her

Confirmed for not knowing how women work.

>> No.4382126

i don't get it

he did the thing he didn't do that everyone thought he did?

>> No.4382131

he did the thing that looks like he did the thing?

>> No.4382140

If I pretend to take the nose off a child by letting my thumb look like a severed nose, just too fool the child, after I 'reattach' the nose, did I really amputate the kid for a second?

What does Derrida mean when he says that, or is this how frenchmen talk when they want to sound important? Please explain.

>> No.4382190

>>4382126
>>4382131
its deconstruction

nobody knows

>> No.4382383

>>4376671

Reminds me a lot of Vonnegut's line "Be careful what you pretend to be, because you become what you pretend to be." in reference to the main theme of Mother Night.

Just making a comparison...

>> No.4382388

>>4382140

To that child, you fall into two categories, either they feel that you have truly committed the act, and mutilated them- thus the surprise. OR, they see through it, and you only pretended to pretend while they saw through you the whole time.