/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4375875]

ITT: Scholars/writers who are abhorrently ugly

pic related: Hobsbawm

[Anonymous No.4375883]

>>4375875
I didn't know you were a writer, OP!

[Anonymous No.4375890]

this faggot right here takes the cake. he's a goddamned mongoloid

[Anonymous No.4375895]

>>4375890
Motherfucker still got plenty of play

[Anonymous No.4375902]

>>4375895
not as much as his once friend turned rival

[Anonymous No.4375906]

>>4375875

not that bad

>>4375890

/thread

>>4375902

dat b8

[Anonymous No.4375917]

>>4375906
goddamn, how the fuck was he so handsome?

fuck it, this is now a camus thread

[Anonymous No.4375930]

[Anonymous No.4375935]

>you will never be this handsome and talented
>you will never have a harem of french women falling all over themselves for the chance to be held by you
>your love affairs will never grace the front page of newspapers to the longing jealousy of housewives

[Anonymous No.4375945]

[Anonymous No.4375955]

>>4375945
fuck you

[Anonymous No.4376011]

pretty much any male author

[Anonymous No.4376098]

[Anonymous No.4376114]

>>4375902
>>4375906
>>4375917
>>4375935

back off skanks, camus is my husbando

[Anonymous No.4376119]

>>4376114
even when he was alive, nobody had camus to themselves. he's more man than anyone can handle and must be spread around

[Anonymous No.4376120]

[Anonymous No.4376125]

>>4376119

>Camus will never fuck you roughly, taking his pleasure however he wishes, and then calmly explain as he dresses and leaves, despite your begging for him to stay, why the absurd condition requires him to have as many one night stands as possible

[Anonymous No.4376130]

and yet he still fucked all those grad students

[Anonymous No.4376135]

>>4376125
>you will never his bastard love child

[Anonymous No.4376136]

>>4376130
did he really?
pics or not happen

[Anonymous No.4376137]

>>4376130

I always thought DFW was kinda qt. Plus his "I'm so shy and awkward and such a tortured genius" act it's no wonder he was able to reel in so much audience pussy.

[Anonymous No.4376139]

>>4376130
He's not bad looking at all.

[Anonymous No.4376146]

>>4376136
oh boy, you hadn't heard?
>“audience pussy.” That’s the brutal phrase that surfaces in DT Max’s recent biography of Wallace, Every Love Story Is a Ghost Story, along with a series of similar anecdotes

>He refers to the women he sleeps with as the “bimbo brigade.”

>He takes full advantage of the “audience pussy” that becomes available to him after the publication of Infinite Jest; telling Jonathan Franzen he wonders whether his only purpose is “to put [his] penis in as many vaginas as possible.” He dismisses one woman he’s slept with by telling her, “I told you not to come here,” as she approaches him after a reading, and refers to another one (“unchivalrously,” Max notes) as “A three-day weekend I’m still paying the credit card bill on.” In New Orleans, he sleeps with a fan who is “underage,” though whether this means someone who is under 21, or under 18, or under 17 (the age of consent in Louisiana) is unclear. He tells one single mother he’s dating that he is jealous “her breasts [are] ‘no longer public property.’” He sleeps with his graduate students. He sleeps with his undergrads.

and this is the best part right here

>He cruises recovery meetings for hookups, preying on the newly sober

[Anonymous No.4376147]

>>4376130
but he's hot.

[Anonymous No.4376151]

>>4375875
If he is abhorrently ugly than I should off myself.

[Anonymous No.4376160]

>>4376139
>>4376137
>>4376147
bimbo brigade, pls

[Anonymous No.4376165]

>>4376160
>>4376146
Oh man
this is delectable.

1) write thousand page post-modern core
2) get hired at local college
3) JAM IT IN
4) ...
5) suicide
6) profit????

[Anonymous No.4376169]

Hey guys

[Anonymous No.4376170]

>>4376165

7) get hollywood biopic about you commissioned

[Anonymous No.4376171]

Not even close

[Anonymous No.4376173]

>>4376165
truly, he lived the dream

[Anonymous No.4376177]

>>4376165
He didn't suicide, he simply completed everything he needed in his corporeal form and transcended into a higher plane of existence

[Anonymous No.4376179]

He was 5'1"

[Anonymous No.4376183]

>>4376177
you're right, he didn't suicide.
he had the balls to an hero.

>DFW
>an hero for your time

[Anonymous No.4376202]

>>4376179
dayum you weren't trolling. still hot af

[Anonymous No.4376208]

>>4376179
>>4376202

apparently he also made sweet love to the empress of japan

[Anonymous No.4376217]

>>4376169
Fucking finally.

And now you know why he avoids being photographed.

[Anonymous No.4376223]

>>4376217

not successfully

[Anonymous No.4376232]

>>4376223
It's sad that such a brilliant man looks like a cartoon.

They can do amazing things with reconstructive surgery. Especially the mouth. I wonder why he never got that Disney-tier overbite fixed.

[Anonymous No.4376277]

>>4376232
Things get better.

[Anonymous No.4376287]

>>4375875
Dat shit eater smug, narcissist's sneer.

Jurgen Habermas, though he's a sweet thoughtful man, cleft palate had to have sucked as a kid

[Anonymous No.4376302]

>>4376169

[Anonymous No.4376308]

[Anonymous No.4376334]

>>4376130
He looks pretty average to me, and I know attractive girls who talk about how hot he was so idk bout that one

[Anonymous No.4376335]

>>4376232
Fixed? People would pay good money to look like Disney characters.

[Anonymous No.4376338]

>>4376334
>I know attractive girls who talk about how hot he was

I'm sure you do.

[Anonymous No.4376341]

>>4376169
>>4376223
>>4376232
>>4376302
Fuck the whole lot of you.

[Anonymous No.4376342]

>>4376338
I do

Is this a joke? Good job its really funny

[Anonymous No.4376362]

>>4376341
Get off 4chan and do the Kenosha Kid you tart.

[Anonymous No.4376374]

>>4376130
DFW had an inexplicable aura and charm about him that made girls wet.

just watch him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxUY0kxH80

[Anonymous No.4376380]

>>4376119
he looks very james dean in this one

[Anonymous No.4376405]

>>4376374
LOL
>boom mic almost decks him
>gets interview chick to talk about her MA
>not 2 mins into interview

[Anonymous No.4376413]

>>4376374

There is no way he didn't rail that interviewer after the cameras turned off.

[Anonymous No.4376415]

>>4376374
what he does is pretend that he's very humble and that he's thinking hard about what he's about to say,

which might be true

but it seems more likely to me that he's trying to tell the interviewer what she wants to hear because he's a loner and he probably has some mommy issues or something.

I bet he's really different when he's being interviewed by a dude... unless he was like that too.

[Anonymous No.4376418]

>>4376415
You might be looking into to it a little much.

[Anonymous No.4376423]

[Anonymous No.4376424]

>>4376418
how can you possibly argue that when you're talking about DFW?
He starts blathering about the american ideology of individualism and then some idiot for the sound design or whatever interrupts him to change his mic or soemthing and says that hes been "reflective" and "pontificating"

DFW basically tells the dood to go fuck himself so DFW can get back to pleasuring the interviewer with his voice

[Anonymous No.4376432]

>>4376424
If you're talking about the interview I'm thinking of, I remember the guy who interrupts him was being a dick the whole time and kept impatiently sighing and other shit completely inappropriate for a sound guy

[Anonymous No.4376438]

>>4376432
we'll see if he shows up again.
DFW is still going on about how much he hates his american society and how everything in american life is superficial and stupid and he's such a misanthrope and how his generation is still childish and all this waffle

[Anonymous No.4376442]

>>4376374
DFW, for all his "morals" and "beliefs, always had a bit of a sociopathic vibe about him. That explains it. Also explains why he killed himself.

[Anonymous No.4376444]

>>4376438
This might be inappropriate but where are you getting these images?

[Anonymous No.4376449]

>>4376444
I'm attempting to demonstrate that you can learn an immense amount about the american economic "system" of contradictory individualism-corporatism through its generation approach to pornography

the 1990s seems to me to be a terrible nightmare with very confusing pornography compared to the preceding decades

interestingly, in the 2000s the pornography industry basically collapses under the weight of the internet and the sense of "hyper reality" that was present in the late 80s and most of the 90s vanishes into a kind of post-hyperreality. I can't really describe it.

Does that make sense? am I just a lecturer? Is it easy to make fun of what I'm saying? I can hear a voice... in my head... making fun of this paradox i'm trying to describe.

[Anonymous No.4376453]

>>4376449
pornography from the 2000s basically devolves into spectacle. I think it might not be unreasonable to describe the 1990s as the last decade in which pornography actually conveyed any sense of a person- no matter how hyperreal.

>DFW just called out Mike Critchton and Tom Clancy and a bunch of others.

[Anonymous No.4376460]

>>4376449
I'm more interested in the psychology of pornography. Now that it is being mass produced on a level unlike before and it is all free, essentially.

I want to examine the mentalities of modern performers and see how they're holding up ten, twenty years down the road.

I also want to examine what habitual viewing of pornography and the infinite availability of it is doing to viewers. Part of me is wonders if it is deteriorating minds and another part of me wonders if it is causing our views on sexuality to evolve, morph, mutate, etc. at an exponential rate.

However, I haven't really formulated any complete thoughts on the subject quite yet. Unlike you anon.

[Anonymous No.4376461]

>>4376453
By the late 2007s, the pornographic industry seems to have become so post-real that it actually fails to convey any feelings at all.

pornography from earlier eras might convey a sense of a desire for power and control and unattainability, fantasy, youth, innocence, experience, desire...

By the second decade of the 21st century the subject matter has become completely devoid of meaning. The post-real era crystallizes as a structural phenomena that will last forever.

[Anonymous No.4376467]

>>4375895
Wouldn't want your daughter ...

[Anonymous No.4376468]

>>4376461

I disagree. Modern pornography conveys one feeling: power. It is almost universally about debasement and degradation. This is just another aspect of how the dehumanizing effects of capitalism have accelerated in the new millennium.

[Anonymous No.4376472]

>>4375917
resemblance enough to Gordon Levitt to warrant a biopic

[Anonymous No.4376473]

>>4376460
I cannot predict the impact of the ubiquity of pornography or sex as spectacle on the modern condition. although, we have been living under the post-hyper real condition for over a decade now and it seems to show no sign of vanishing. Interesting point considering the mass production "amatuer" movement which in a way could be described as a reaction to the hyperreal consumerism pornography of the 1990s. On the other hand, that movement seems to have itself become coopted and is now essentially an exploration of fetishiziations and power relationships.

[Anonymous No.4376477]

>>4376146
FULL BLOWN TYLER DURDEN
Now you know he is a fraud if you didn't before. Misogynist cunt

[Anonymous No.4376482]

>>4376468
I think you and I agree essentially, anon.The fetishization of power is clearly an expression of the hypercapitalization of the 1980s and 1990s played out to such an excess that it defines the sexual dynamic of the masses. But where do we go from here? It seems to me that the edifice is structural and that titilation at the taboo will dissolve, probably before the end of the decade.

[Anonymous No.4376484]

>>4376438
>>4376442
>waffle! facile affect/ethical core
Guy's a twat and a fraud, glad he ded, SOB

[Anonymous No.4376486]

>>4376449
Schizo alert

[Anonymous No.4376488]

let's face it, we'd really like to live in paradise.

[Anonymous No.4376489]

So basically this is a little wormy Jew thread?

[Anonymous No.4376490]

>>4376486
We're all schizo to some degree, let's face it.

[Anonymous No.4376492]

>>4376460

If you want to see how the proliferation of pornography has affected the modern psyche, look no further than this website. There is surely no larger collection of chronic masturbators and porn connoisseurs on Earth than here on 4chan.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the posters here don't even regard women as being fully human? That opinions about all women being manipulative whores, about all women being stupid and naturally inferior, are not only accepted but are by and large the norm? That even the faintest hint of compassion toward or sympathy for women is met with endless caterwauling and vitriol? That on a board dedicated to literature, there are legions of posters who seriously believe nothing written by a woman is worthwhile? That a board like /r9k/ exists?

[Anonymous No.4376497]

>>4376146

I keep telling betas to stop earning STEM degrees, become University teachers and bang the students... but nobody listens...

You're all going to be stuck providing for broken down 30 year old women you met off a dating website.

[Anonymous No.4376502]

>>4376492
Valid point. I'm not on here often and even when I am I'm resigned to this board and /x/. Thanks for the advice, maybe I can begin to understand the effects of pornography. Beyond this, I'd like to see how it affects people out in reality.

Surely, anons here cannot be as...expressive of their opinions on women out in reality. I really want to see how pornography affects the psyche when it is trying to function within society and various social contexts.

[Anonymous No.4376504]

>>4376472
I will fucking kill you for suggesting that smug faggot to play based Camus

[Ganger Nobody No.4376506]

If he hasn't already been mentioned here, I'd be surprised. Not that I'm too lazy to read through the whole board, it's just, I'm too lazy to even scroll. But the man got his face from what I recall he described as a combination of poor health and of ill-advised, hurriedly carried out procedures. He writes of them in Ham on Rye, what bills itself as his most autobiographical of novels. I think his problem was the acne.

[Anonymous No.4376509]

>>4376492
It does make me sad. Men and women have disastrously established their sexual exchange as a political dynamic. Sex is now a power relationship which means it must be purchased, traded for, fought over and secured by guile, deception and conflict. The result is the modern condition in which those without the prerequisite social-political skills and resources for engaging in the sexual conflict find themselves ostracized.
This is a very worrying situation.

[Anonymous No.4376511]

>>4376497
>STEM
>having anything resembling charisma or charm
pick one sperg

[Anonymous No.4376515]

>>4376509
welcome to gapitalism

[Anonymous No.4376516]

>>4376509

Why worry just about that? Everything is commoditized. Love itself -- romantic, filial, platonic -- has become a commodity. If you love your mother, you buy her a flower arrangement every year in May. If you love your brother, you buy him a new phone on Christmas. The worth of our relationships is measured in buying power.

[Anonymous No.4376519]

>>4376509
However, wouldn't you agree that such a dynamic isn't sustainable? I feel like there are two paths,that at some point men and women will either revert to a more symbiotic relationship that is akin to the traditional ideals of sex being an act of passion and compassion for one's partner or sex will lose its power entirely and people will view sex entirely as an act of recreation and partners will be interchangeable, everyone will engage in sexual activity, and there will be no exclusion as it'll just be another piece social engagement. You can do it with whoever, wherever, whenever, it's all about feeling good.

I'm hoping we revert to be honest.

[Anonymous No.4376520]

I'm not nearly as keyed into the second decade of this century as I should be, which is why I browse 4chan, but my expectation is that women will find themselves commodified as sexual objects basically forever, and men will find themselves increasingly incapable of living up to the post-hyperreal standards they are required to maintain to engage in conflict for women. the result will mean women's indefinite immobilization in the media and society as sexual objects and man's ongoing retreat into the virtual world where control requires less resource intensive conflict than the sexual political battle.

[Anonymous No.4376521]

>>4376511
>implying Neil Degrasse Junior High couldn't walk into any university right now and fuck the hottest bitch there.

[Anonymous No.4376526]

>>4376509
>The result is the modern condition in which those without the prerequisite social-political skills and resources for engaging in the sexual conflict find themselves ostracized.

I'm way more worried about how the gradual transformation of women (back) into sexual chattel will affect the social progress they have made in the past couple centuries, than about the handful of men left out in the cold... they do have porn, after all...

[Anonymous No.4376531]

>>4376492
>>4376509

>muh cultural determinism

I think you guys believe humans are more easily conditioned than they actually are.

[Anonymous No.4376532]

>>4376516
That you do not find this troubling is indicative of the extent of the edifice over all life. I think Foucault described this situation as biopolitical.

[Anonymous No.4376533]

[INSERT ANY jewish 'THINKER' HERE.]

[Anonymous No.4376534]

>>4376521
>tyson
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.4376536]

>>4376533
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.4376539]

>>4376519
No because men will have sex with everyone so women are free to have sex with the best without ever running out of supply. Hence whales having standards thinking they deserve a CEO with a 9 inch dink. The reason for that is because women secure short-term sex from much much more desirable men than they are themselves. Every chubby girl that is probably uglier than you are can get laid with a good looking man anytime. The problem is they won't be able to secure any meaningful relationship with the man in question over the long-term. The fact that she gets essentially used as a cumbucket by desirable men leads her to believe she deserves that kind of standard full-time. That is why women proclaim "all men are asshole", because they only define the very top of males as "men", and of course those men have much better options available at a whim and treat the majority of women who fall beneath that standard as disposable.

[Anonymous No.4376541]

>>4376531

That's fair enough, I'm taking structuralist perspective here.

>>4376526
This implies that the "social progress" that has been made is itself real, which I doubt. Independents will always refuse to accept the social status quo but there is a definite ceiling to how individual one can be in relation to the body economic: the marxist would suggest that so long as the mode of production is one of hyper-capitalism, what Sizek called "capitalism with Asian values" the individual will always be subservient the political economy which means domineering sexual exchanges. I see no evidence that this situation is not sustainable.

>>4376519
I think the latter scenario is more likely to occur.

[Anonymous No.4376552]

>>4376541
Yeah, I know. Sex for recreation is the logical next step once the remaining stigma surround it and its forms breaks down, also once its power is stripped away, not exactly sure how that is going to occur, but I don't see how it will remain an effective weapon for either sex for much longer.

[Anonymous No.4376554]

>>4376539
This is just you expressing your sexual frustration.

[Anonymous No.4376571]

>>4376554
I don't mean to marginalize your frustration: I should clarify that I think it is legitimate, but I think it's counterproductive because you're looking from within the control system. Does that make sense?

[Anonymous No.4376573]

>>4376554
>feminist shaming tactics 101

[Anonymous No.4376575]

>>4376554
I agree, >>4376539 is looking at the small picture with the same convoluted mentality that is rampant today.

[Anonymous No.4376577]

>>4376534
>redirecting to reddit
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.4376579]

>>4376539
How does it feel to be this MAD?

[Anonymous No.4376588]

>>4376539

I can't believe /lit/ doesn't unanimously agree with this.

The worst thing a women can do is sleep with someone she considers less than herself while men are perfectly fine with doing that. This is why there is a larger ratio of women spread STDs compared to men.

There's only a small circle of guys getting any action. About 20% is the golden rule.

[Anonymous No.4376594]

>>4376575
It is interesting at how complex the situation has become: the books on sexual tactics and sexual politics proliferate increasingly... the resources required for engaging in sexual conflict are increasing... I'm repeating myself here, but I want to be really clear that I do find the psychology of the current sexual battleground in relationship to the political-economy of the planet highly enlightening.

[Anonymous No.4376599]

>>4376594
Enlightening for sure. I'll have to look more into this correlation, might be of use in order to understand sexual progress and where we're going from here. Like I said, I really don't think where we're at is sustainable. Something has to give at some point.

[Anonymous No.4376600]

>>4376588
The worst thing a woman can do is sleep with someone she thinks the society (friends, media) consider less.

[Anonymous No.4376667]

>>4376532

Who said I don't find it troubling?

[Anonymous No.4376669]

>>4376504

Go fuck yourself, buddy. I'd be smug as shut too if I was that damn good looking; talented and successful.

Want some bread for that jelly?

[Anonymous No.4376675]

>>4376588

Nice sources.

[Anonymous No.4376676]

>>4376669

Ignore the typo and inappropriate semi colon by the way. I can't fucking type on this iPhone.

[Anonymous No.4376688]

>>4376669
I'm jealous of what? Money? Sex? Leisure? Nigger, I have been teeth grindingly unhappy for my entire life. Not money, not sex, surely not time ever gave me a drop of lasting satisfaction. The only thing I could possibly envy in him is his normality, and I can envy that from any man on the street.

[Anonymous No.4376713]

>>4376667
sorry bro, I misread your post in my flurry of typing.

[Anonymous No.4376733]

>>4376669
Suggester molester here: just based on appearances, he looks more like Albert in that photo than he did baldy in LOOPER. (Young Ray Liota, anyone? Lol, bad make up). I too, find the guy chucklefuckish, mostly out of resentment against being told I bear a resemblance to the guy -which isn't to say I made the Camus suggestion as some freaky meta compliment to myself- dun dun duun

BRICK was an enjoyable movie though

[Anonymous No.4376777]

>>4376438
>>4376449
>>4376453
>>4376460
>>4376461
>>4376473
>>4376482
>>4376492
>>4376502
>>4376509
>>4376516
>>4376519
>>4376520
>>4376526
>>4376532
>>4376541
>>4376554
>>4376571
>>4376594
>>4376599

Are these posts some form of satire I'm too stupid to get, or are you actually trying to dress up one of the most obvious and tired observations about modern life ('modern' meaning the last half-century) by rephrasing it in the most meaningless words available in English?

What I meant to say is:
>In a hyperglobalized, neoliberal marketplace that has been established with the explicit intention of fueling conspicuous consumption and thus distributing intentionally superfluous and functionally obsolete consumer electronics internationally, the digital infrastructure will invariably serve the corporate interests that designed it. In order to create an artificial demand for devices and services, these interests appeal to Millennials' overflowing self-regard and paradoxically low self-esteem in order to mass-market their products as a means of intellectual self-actualization. As a result, the modern denizen of the internet feels compelled to phrase even the most banal insights as if they were to be carved in stone. Such is the troublesome hyper-verbosity of the post-buzzword pseudo-blogosphere.

I'm not mad, I'm just surprised that you completely dropped your casual tone as soon as you went from discussing scholars and writers to analyzing the history of pornography.

[Anonymous No.4376787]

>>4376277
uhm. thats gary snyder

[Anonymous No.4376797]

>>4376777
>I'm not mad

you sound awfully mad

[Anonymous No.4376799]

>>4376777
your summary was alright but it completely missed the point of the conversation which was about the way people react to hyper-sexualization.

Also, I was satirizing DFW whose interview I was listening to as I typed.

[Anonymous No.4376814]

>>4376777
bonus pr0n for 777 trips

[Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ No.4376822]

These aren't even high res nudes. That's just evil.

REPORTED!

[Anonymous No.4376903]

>>4376799
Was he actually dropping misunderstood theory or was that coming from you? sincerely or part of the joke? In case of the latter, "post-hyperrealism" is simulacra and >>4376516 is definitely not any example of biopolitics. I don't know if your point of the conversation was genuine because I think it's reactionary banal & unsubstantiated, simply claiming a generational decline. You're also ignoring the other forms of sexuality that arose with the internet, like the disembodiment of chatroom cybering, or the sexcam and the gif.

[Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ No.4377280]

Guess

[Anonymous No.4377287]

>>4376814
>>>/b/

We don't do such things here, friend.

[Anonymous No.4377298]

>>4375895

>implying any healthy girl ever got mixed up with him

[Anonymous No.4377299]

>>4376903
>You're also ignoring the other forms of sexuality that arose with the internet, like the disembodiment of chatroom cybering, or the sexcam and the gif.

Chatroom cybering and camming aren't types of porn, they're types of sexual activity, like mutual masturbation. Gifs are just a medium for porn like video, print, etc. and don't bring anything new to the table. Since the discussion has been about porn, none of that is relevant.

You can't argue there hasn't been an increased tendency in porn toward the more grotesque and "gonzo" aspects of sex in the past decade or two. Porn has gotten way more extreme. Or at least, extreme porn has seen a much wider audience, and this is absolutely because of the internet.

Whether this signals a major shift in society or not is a different matter, but it would be absurd to think there hasn't been *some* kind of effect from a culture where half of the male population or more routinely watches hardcore internet porn. I'm no puritan, but come on, people don't watch porn in a vacuum. These sorts of things change the sexual politics of an era, for better or worse.

[Anonymous No.4377315]

>>4377299
Not him, but I agree wholeheartedly with your thesis. I've always been fairly puritanical though, so you're preaching to the choir in that regard.

[Anonymous No.4377376]

>>4377299
I don't think there's any reason to separate porn and sexual activity, masturbation and 'mutual masturbation'. Is the line really so clear? Cybering is still porn, it's just performed in collaboration with its patrons, rather than performed once and centrally distributed. You still masturbate in private, if physical masturbation is involved at all. Sexcams don't involve you directly (except the ones that do) and would be porn except that they are performed live. As soon as the act is recorded, it becomes no different from any other porno. This doesn't mean that a new medium has developed sitting between porn and sex, or even that a bridge has formed that would make the two totally indiscernible. What has happened is sex itself has become augmented and complexified, achieving genuine disembodiment, often disidentification. Sex is not just responding to porn, but developing into and out of it.

[Anonymous No.4377404]

>>4377376
>Cybering is still porn

No it isn't. Don't be daft.

And live cam shows are no more porn than a striptease is.