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Conservative fiction and nonfiction.

>> No.4358902
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"CONSERVATISM" IS JUST AS NOXIOUS AS "LIBERALISM".

>> No.4358912

>>4358902
>says the guy who likes ayn rand

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>> No.4358918

>>4358912
AFAIK Ayn Rand isn't very conservative. She doesn't even like Jesus.

>> No.4358927

Orson Scott Card

I love Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow, but he pushes his idealogy so insanely hard in the others that I've sworn off them.

He has a gay character who essentially says "I'm gay but I need to marry because my function as a human being is to further my bloodline"

I'm no social justice warrior but it's pretty terrible writing

>>4358918
Jesus is liberal by today's standards

>> No.4358931

>>4358918
not the guy you responded to. I think your knowledge of the conservative has been colored by fox news. Ayn Rand's whole philosophy is profoundly anti-marxist/socialist and reactionary (and likewise as as unworkable and against human nature as those movements). It is an extreme libertarian conservatism in the same way that fascism is extreme statist conservatism. The American Christian Right are only conservative in that they are too reactionaries against Belloc's "Modern Attack" against traditional values, many of which have a basis in the Judeo-Christian moral system.

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>>4358931
Speaking of Hilaire Belloc

"The Servile State" and "the Great Heresies" are two of the most conservative works ive ever read.

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>>4358931

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT "CONSERVATISM" MEANS.

AYN RAND WAS NEITHER "CONSERVATIVE", NOR "LIBERAL"; SHE WAS "RADICAL".

"RADICAL": FROM PROTOINDOEUROPEAN "WRAD", MEANING "ROOT".

A "RADICAL" IS SOMEONE WHO ADDRESSES THE "ROOT"; THE ORIGIN OF THINGS; THE PRIME CAUSES RATHER THAN THE CONSEQUENCES OR SYMPTOMS.

>> No.4358965

>>4358931
>I think your knowledge of the conservative has been colored by fox news
The opposite, actually. I'm not even a Murrican so I tend to use 'conservative' (and 'liberal') more literally- as based around conserving something. I haven't actually read Rand but what I know of her suggests a radical more than a conservative.

>> No.4358979

>>4358955
You are a pseudo-intellectual. She isnt that complicated. She is a direct reactionary against communism (since the reds chased her fucking family out of Russia), hence a conservative. That she is a radical is irrelevant, as that is not a placement on the political spectrum.

If you are capsguy's new iteration, i apologize for being so disgusted by the faux intellectualism of your post. If you arent, I would recommend you give me the root of the word "cocksucker"

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>>4358965
This is the political spectrum.

"radical" only denotes extremes.

>> No.4358984

>>4358965
...not saying 'conservative' doesn't have major definitinal problems, mind. It's a bugger of a word. In the UK Thatcher somehow made the 'conservative' in the Conservative Party mean 'unfettered free market capitalism', which is possibly the most culturally/socially corrosive force known to man, and really isn't interested in conserving much of anything.

>> No.4358985

I gotta recommend Edmund Burke, and Samuel Pepys. And also you migh want to look some of Disraeli's early fiction. Particularly "Sybil".

>> No.4358991

How is conservative fiction different from normal fiction?

>> No.4358993

>>4358982
>the political spectrum
Whose political spectrum? It seems eminently possible to put 'radical' on a spectrum at the opposite end from 'conservative'. The former seeks fundamental change, the latter resists it. 'Radical conservative' is, I think, a contradiction in terms.

>> No.4359002

>>4358993
Example.

A religious man begins blowing up abortion clinics.

He would be a radical christian fundamentalist, hence a conservative

Another example.

A monarchist assassinates the socialist author of a coup-de-tat.

He would be a radical monarchist, hence a conservative

>> No.4359008

>>4358993
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

There are plenty of radicals out there.

>> No.4359014

>>4359002
Ah, so you're going for 'radical' as defining means instead of goal? Fair enough.

>> No.4359013

>>4358993
I think you'd have to consider Disraeli to be a radical conservative. Anyone who has read his fiction, or is familiar with his speeches and career can see elements of both. Also, Barry Goldwater's books are worth reading, as well as his own speeches and interviews.

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>>4358938
>Hilaire Belloc

Why do conservatives authors always look more virile than their leftist colleagues?

>> No.4359018

>>4358955
Somebody on /lit/ knows what the root of the word "radical" means?

I´m impressed.

>> No.4359021

>>4359018
Wut.

>> No.4359028

>>4358991

Personally, I find it more grounded in reality rather than ideals, which are noble, but impractical and ultimately, immature fantasies.

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>>4359002

>coup de tat

>> No.4359041

>>4359002

A Conservative is anyone who's radical?

>dropped

>> No.4359045

>>4359017

I think you already know the answer.

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>> No.4359057

>>4359002

These people are not conservatives, they're reactionaries. Conservatives argue for the status quo.

>> No.4359055

>>4358955
You can be "radical" anything, my loud mouthed friend. It means root, yes, but more in the sense of "pure" Ayn Rand is a pure capitalist a radical capitalist.

Since today's society is capitalist as defined by Marx, she wants to conserve this, thus she is conservative.

That's why an-caps, libertarians and republicans make easier bed-fellows than the progressive liberal democrat capitalists.

>> No.4359060

>>4359035
ipad doesnt like e-acute

>> No.4359065

>>4359041
a radical is anyone who is on the extreme of their respective political affiliation.

>> No.4359069

>>4359057
You would agree that they arent "progressive", hence they are "conservative".

>> No.4359084

>>4359057
You do need to read some conservative literature. Read some Disraeli, some Goldwater and some Lincoln. There's a lot more to it than just holding the line. it's more about maintaining the speed limit and keeping the seatbelts on than sitting still in the car.

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>>4359057
The conservative defends today what the radical fought for yesterday, and what the radical fights for today the conservative will defend tomorrow. Both are contingent and relative. It is only the reactionary, the revolutionary conservative, that reaches beyond time.

>> No.4359160

>>4359055
>You can be "radical" anything, my loud mouthed friend. It means root, yes, but more in the sense of "pure"

NO.

>Since today's society is capitalist as defined by Marx

THAT IS A FALLACIOUS PREMISE.

>she wants to conserve this, thus she is conservative.

THAT IS A FALLACIOUS CONCLUSION.

YOUR LOGIC IS IMPAIRED.

PERHAPS READING "MARXIST" LITERATURE AT A YOUNG AGE STUNTED YOUR MENTAL DEVELOPMENT.

>> No.4359162

>>4359160
is your capslock broken, son?

>> No.4359175

autistic japanese letter caps lock guy is getting fucking #wrekt ITT

>> No.4359184

>>4359175
I think it's the other way around, champ