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Recently, the folks in Texas have voted to change some things in textbooks, namely, leaving out Thomas Jefferson, hip-hop, latino culture, changing "imperialism" to "expansionism" and saying country music was a major factor in American culture, among other crazy shit.

I am fucking TIRED of people letting their idiotic politics run the country and influence the masses. This bullshit cannot go unpunished.

Anon is the strongest group I know, when organized. I know /lit/ isn't my personal army, but for the sake of history and knowledge, we need to skullfuck those stupid neo-conservatives.
(And for that matter, the Neo-liberals as well, although they aren't making our children's textbooks.)

So what the fuck do we do?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1253

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gPQ3ktQNqImWyQ23yXKoCFXWrN1QD9EDB7T80

>> No.433565

Who cares. It's Texas.

>> No.433566

I've always republicunts were stupid but fuck.

>> No.433567

Let Texas separate. They hate America anyway.

>> No.433570

>>433565
They publish most of the textbooks in America. How do you feel about it now?

>> No.433573

>country music
>important
Lolololol. Tell /mu/

>leaving Jefferson out
?

>changing imperialism to expansionism
butthurt

>> No.433576

>>433570

That explains the book depository, but how could he fire three times in six seconds? That's bullshit.

>> No.433579

>>433570
Still don't care. Public school districts choose the books they use, they don't have to use this one just because Texans published it you hapless faggot.

>> No.433585

How do you leave TJ out of American History?

>> No.433588
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433588

>John Calvin more important than Jefferson
Yeah...nooo... Hell, as much as I respect Aquinas and feel he should be taught, not even HE was that directly influential

>> No.433589

>and influence the masses
and then texas was the masses

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>>433579

You obviously don't know how it works.

Texas governs almost all the editing done by textbooks. This will effect almost all of the schools in the united states, period.

THAT'S WHY IS IN THE FUCKING NEWS.

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433592

Almost everything in text books are made to bore the shit out of you and tell lies so it doesn't really matter

>> No.433598

anyway, k-12 history is pretty fucking bad even without this.

>> No.433603

If you are a conservative please put a gun to your head and pull the trigger. It's called honor-suicide.

>> No.433605

r'ing the video of richard dawkins comparing creationists to holocaust deniers (that shit is so cash)

>> No.433609

>Texas ed board adopts social studies standards

putting texas and "social studies" in one sentence is pretty fucking hilarious

>> No.433616

>>433553

Leaving out Thomas Jefferson alone is historical blasphemy as far as I'm concerned. Not cool.

>> No.433619

>>433609
>studies
Even funnier

>> No.433624

>>433605
Love to see that

>> No.433627 [DELETED] 

Texan here, I'm fucking thankful I'm out of the public education system because it's horrible here.

However, country music WAS important... to Texas, and the surrounding public states. Western swing was as big here as regular swing was wherever the hell you are, and Hank Williams was a HUGE radio figure when radio was all people had. Country music also tends to include bluegrass, cajun, and norteno music styles all of which are influenced by and have influenced the wider American musical heritage. It hasn't always been CMT and Kenny Chesney.

That being said, if they add something about country there needs to be an equally huge section about blues. The two are almost interchangeably linked in the southern american musical landscape before the 1950s.

>> No.433631

>>433616

Third President of the United States? whoopty fuck.

>> No.433635

>>433579
hey hapless faggot, you know nothing about the publishing industry so go troll /mu/ while the grownups talk.

I'd like to suggest something...the only thing that would do anything is bring more attention to the issue. Rallying teachers to the cause is the oly thing i can see working because "academics" and professors have zero cred. with the american public that isn't already outraged by this. Persuade teachers to get on the news, write blogs, facebook groups, to point this shit out. A public debate would be nice, but these fuckers would never sit down for that. Also, why the hell do politicians get to chose textbooks? Maybe get teachers unions to fight for more control over the process instead of elected school board officials (ie preachers and wannabe congressmen)

>> No.433638

>>433631
sometimes i forget how many 15 year olds there are on this 4chan, thanks for reminding me.

>> No.433641

>>433631
and writer of the dec of independence, founding father, bought half of the country, first democratic-republican president...
he kind of did a lot of pretty important stuff in America.

>> No.433642

Texan here, I'm fucking thankful I'm out of the public education system because it's horrible here.

However, country music WAS important... to Texas, and the surrounding states. Western swing was as big here as regular swing was wherever the hell you are, and Hank Williams was a HUGE radio figure when radio was all people had. Country music also tends to include bluegrass, cajun, and norteno music styles all of which are influenced by and have influenced the wider American musical heritage. It hasn't always been CMT and Kenny Chesney.

That being said, if they add something about country there needs to be an equally huge section about blues. The two are almost interchangeably linked in the southern american musical landscape before the 1950s and the combination of blues and country music eventually produced rock n' roll.

>> No.433646

>>433638
What?

>> No.433647

>>433635
Complaining about the amount of power teachers' unions have is practically an American past time.

>> No.433649

>>433641
>first democratic-republican president...

So was he a Democrat or a Republican?

>> No.433651

>>433649
...derp?
the part was democratic-republican.

>> No.433652

>>433651

But WHICH was he?

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>>433652
lolol
you sure trolled me hard.

>> No.433657

>>433649
Parties were weird back then. Go read your high school textbook. They don't match up with our current parties.

>> No.433659

That history book cover is fucking hilarious, OP.

AMERICA! BALD EAGLES AND STARS AND STRIPES AND FIREWORKS, FUCK YEAAAAAAAR

>> No.433662

There used to be a democratic-republican party. Just like there used to be a party called the Whigs. Didn't any of you go to school?

>> No.433663

>>433652
The two major parties at the time were Federalist and Democratic-Republican.
Washington and Adams were Federalist, but Adams fucked up so royally that DR became the dominant party until Andrew Jackson became the first Democrat president.

>> No.433665

>>433659
i lol'd

>> No.433666

lol.. so they decide to diss tj because of the religious line. although tj is pretty much the end boss for state rights stuff, which used to be the big thing for racist hicks.

>> No.433669

>>433635
>teachers union
>caring about students and not just their own asses

>> No.433687

>>433647
true, it was a suggestion born of desperation. Basically public mockery on a national level is the only other choice....maybe have univs require students from texass public school take remedial science and history classes?

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>>433659
Would you prefer a multi-cultural one?

>> No.433698

>>433691

Who's the taken Asian chick?

>> No.433703

>>433698
chinkerella

>> No.433706

>>433698
David Bowie

>> No.433711

>>433706

But he's Canadian...

>> No.433720

>>433691
Holy shit, that's the textbook in my school. I live in Florida.

I've seen it hundreds of times over the years, and I never noticed the asians or blacks.

woooooooooooow

>> No.433725

>>433711
>Canadian
That's what the Nazis want you to believe. Will you let Stalin win?

>> No.433729

>>433631

Yes, third President of the United States (and he wasn't just 'a president'; the Louisiana Purchase alone makes him very significant, much less everything else he did); Founding Father (do I even need to point out the significance of this?); author of the Declaration of Independence; one of the best writers of civic documents to have ever lived, period; he had one of the largest libraries in the United States (if I'm not mistaken, he could have had the largest, which would be intriguing to /lit/ at the very least); probably the only truly intellectual president we've ever had outside of Woodrow Wilson with his knowledge on political philosophy, architecture, etc.

Even if he weren't a president, he would still be significant to history. Also, the man was just a bad ass.

>> No.433731

>>433698
Chick who did the 'Nam vets memorial. Maya Lin.

>> No.433738

Thomas Jefferson is the only really important part. "hip-hop" and "latino culture" are garbage that don't belong in a generally history textbook, archive that under sociology. Also, America around the turn of the century was more expansionist than imperial, they wanted to protect their interests, not carve out an empire for the sake of it.

>> No.433739

country music WAS a major factor in American culture and I'll prove it:

You are my sunshine / my only sunshine...

However, if the textbook is claiming that modern country music is significant to American culture and all other forms of American music (hip hop, electronica, rock, whatever) isn't, then that's bullshit.

>> No.433741

>>433729
Jefferson was not badass. He was a pretty soft intellectual dude, who contradicted himself and whose philosophical beliefs grew more extreme with his age...
He was, however, pretty important, influential and intelligent (to say the least).

>> No.433746

http://www.edutopia.org/print/1195

Good article explaining this entire issue. I suggest everyone read it

inb4 tl;dr

>> No.433758

adjectives the delete

>> No.433763

>>433720
The guy with the cowboy hat is Hispanic.

>> No.433778

Whats the reason behind leaving Thomas Jefferson out of history books?

This thread really made me depressed just from thinking about the future retards Texas will be churning out.

>> No.433783

>>433738

>implying hip-hop and latino culture haven't/arn't seriously influencing American society.

nigger please, just because you don't like the subject matter doesn't mean the subjects shouldn't be taught/discussed.

>> No.433788

>>433778

apparently it is because texas believes tj is behind the separation of state and church thing. nevermind the fact that every conservative jurist worthy of the adjective has a statue of tj in their bedroom.

>> No.433793

>>433738
dude, have you ever been anywhere near the southwest?
shit's all latino, bro.

>> No.433795

>>433738
and you will tell me indian nations and south america are not really nations, so it's ok to expand against them.

>> No.433886

>>433729

I'd argue that Obama and Clinton are intellectuals, as well, but that's just me.

>>433778

The TSBE is one of the most conservative elected bodies in the state, if not the most conservative. It's because liberals don't run for board memberships, and moderates aren't activists, for the most part. So we have to deal with this shit. Don't let these fuckers represent all of Texas, we're a pretty okay bunch outside of politics.

P.S. Bill White for governor

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>>433886

>Don't let these fuckers represent all of Texas, we're a pretty okay bunch outside of politics.

YOU let them represent YOU. WE don't have a say in the matter.

"Texans, the lowest form of white man there is."
Robert Duvall in "Geronimo"

>> No.433953

Fun fact. The average IQ of a Texas citizen if higher than that of a California citizen.

>> No.433973

pretty much any group with neo in their name is fucking retarded.

Neo-cons, neo-libs, neo-feminists, neo-nazis, the lists goes on.

>> No.433979

FunFact: blue states have higher iqs than red states

>> No.433980

>>433953

Fun fact: you pulled that out of your ass.

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>>433953

Oh yeah?

>> No.433987

>>433938

Oh, lawd, look at him. World's most successful troll to date? Yes, I do believe so.

>> No.433995

>>433986

I dunno about you but I don't make a habit of trusting polls taken by jerks. I mean, it's right in their name for cryin' out loud!

>> No.434004

>>433986
FUCK YEAR MASS!

>> No.434010

>>433986
>implying an old inaccurate graph has anything to do with current stats
>I've just been trolled haven't I?

>> No.434012

>>433986
for idiots arguing about IQ: IQ tests don't prove anything except how much you think like the people who made the tests. Any psychology course will tell you that they're culturally-biased.

As for Texas, I say... Go Texas. Hell, I'd move to Texas if it seceded from the U.S. to get out of the liberal hellhole it's becoming.

>> No.434016

as a texan i must say, fuck my dumbass state.

>> No.434020

>>433986
YEP. Sorry, that is a photo-shop by liberals.
http://www.top50states.com/average-iq-score.html

>> No.434022

>>433986
Did you even look at the numbers?

>> No.434032

>>434020
>incorrect

>> No.434043

>>434022

92 may be a greater number then 101 in Texas, but in the rest of world that's not the case.

>> No.434052

>>434032
Those stats are? Because they don't fulfill you preconceived assumptions? Look at that picture. It's fucking stupid. As if a state would have an average IQ above 113.

>> No.434057

>>434043
Fuck, I'm to drunk. sorry.

>> No.434058

My AP U.S. history class had a pretty good book (American pagent) Went into great detail about America's real problems. used imperialism and all that shit. Pretty good if i do say so myself

>> No.434060

>>434043
http://www.top50states.com/average-iq-score.html

Texas average IQ: 100
California: 95.5

>> No.434066

>>434052

I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that it houses THE BEST FUCKING UNIVERSITIES IN THE COUNTRY

>> No.434072

>>434052
I have several sources that say other wise. Neither of us are going to believe eachother.

>> No.434073

... btw, to say that liberals (neo-liberal, yellow dog, whatever) have no influence on children's textbooks, you are wrong sir.

The South is typically depicted as a horrible, terrible bad place that condemns people of other cultures and ESPECIALLY people of color because of slavery. Slavery was a part of the economy. At least the majority of slaves were given homes on plantations UNLIKE the immigrants and children forced to work in sweatshops in the north (particularly, New York City)

but you don't hear about that in your textbooks, now do you?

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>>433986
Your map is BS.

>> No.434090

>>434072
http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/visualizations/89ade5ae117638d201118bce925904a6/comments
/89ade5ae19f1aa710119f96027b3046a

This source shows Texas higher as well.

>> No.434093

>>434073

Neo-con revisionist history much?

>> No.434100

>>434074
>>433986
unless either of you can provide backup sources, both of your maps are wrong.

>> No.434102

>>434074
>>434060
The following supports these.
http://zombietime.com/iq_of_2004_voters_by_state/

>> No.434119

>>434073

So your okay with the political bias so long as it leans towards your views and not theirs? Did your school focus on the sweatshops in New york because your from the south?

My school in Ohio touched on it with the whole great depression and factory fires. We never dwelled on it because it really isn't that important.

>> No.434131

>>434073
but the south is a horrible bad place, filled with horrible bad people.

sorry the truth hurts.

>> No.434158

Why is this thread in /lit/?

>> No.434162

>>434074

I refuse to believe that the people in Florida and the people in West Virginia are the same in intellectual aptitude. It defies almost everything I know about both of those places.

>> No.434179

Run some neocons over with your Subaru!

>> No.434182

I would love to see the IQ map of New York State.

Upstate New York is basically Stupid Pennsylvania or Dirty Canada. New York City is pretentious but full of cutthroat sharks.

>> No.434188

http://vdare.com/sailer/061022_iq.htm
http://www.top50states.com/average-iq-score.html
http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/visualizations/iq-by-state-us-2
Here are three things about IQ by state, just the first few google results. Not sure about the accuracy.

>> No.434196

>>434162
really? what do you know about them both? i grew up in florida and i fully believe we're full of idiots.

>> No.434203

>>434196

I'm not the guy you're responding, to, but one of my best buds is from Florida, and your state is fucking weird as fuck. Individuals from FL are not necessarily dumb, but there are some pretty dumbfuck people, especially in your panhandle and in Miami.

>> No.434207

>>434188

Many of the higher-IQ states have much lower immigrant populations than other states. Immigrants do not typically fare well on IQ tests - which does not mean they are less intelligent.

Interesting about how far north the high IQ states are, though.

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>Jefferson, a deist who helped pioneer the legal theory of the separation of church and state, is not a model founder in the board’s judgment. Among the intellectual forerunners to be highlighted in Jefferson’s place: medieval Catholic philosopher St. Thomas Aquinas, Puritan theologian John Calvin and conservative British law scholar William Blackstone. Heavy emphasis is also to be placed on the founding fathers having been guided by strict Christian beliefs.

It was more guided by Masonic beliefs than christian.

>> No.434289

>>433938
>>433938

Hence the ''Outside of politics'' bit. Hurr.

>> No.434306

remember when japan got shitstormed for leaving out any mention of the rape of nanking or unit 731 in their history textbooks?

all history is lies anyway, who give a shit?

>> No.434344

>>434093
>>434119
There's political bias in everything. It's not like you can escape it. The people with the money have the influence and the power to publish. Everyone needs to just get over it.

Do I think that country music belongs in textbooks? Potentially, it depends on the context. I don't normally think of it as being important, but in terms of American culture it could be relevent. It's difficult to determine "what is American" now in terms of culture. Everyone automatically thinks capitalism, and everyone hates that and complains about it, but as soon as you include an important factor in the building of American culture, oh boy, that's wrong. Nobody's ever happy with anything. If you include more multicultural aspects in textbooks, then someone is bound to be unhappy that way too.

And no, I never heard about the sweatshops in any of my classes in grade school until I spoke with my husband-to-be about his experiences taking a New York City history class in college. For the record, I'm from the South and my fiance is from the North.

>> No.434351

>>434306

Oh, the Lie-King cares, my friend! The Lie-King cares quite a bit whenever anyone uses LIES!

>> No.434976

>>434209

Ben Franklin was a deist, too, but I bet they didn't drop him. The whole line of reasoning is just weird.

>> No.435000

>>433566
>I've always republicunts were stupid but fuck.

Miss a verb in there somewhere, liberal genius?

>> No.435011

>>434344

And in English History they NEVER talk about the Peasants' Rebellion.

The closest England ever came to being free.

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I..I..

It hurts.

>> No.435396

>>435011
...suuure.

Never mind the charter, the great strike, the winter of discontent or the Diggers and Levellers.

>> No.435397

All right, bitches, it's time to get a bit of goddamn perspective about Thomas Jefferson. Was he a great man? Absolutely. Was he a pivotal figure in US history? Without question. Were his primary contributions the Declaration of Independence and the preamble to the Constitution? NO, NO, FUCK NO.

Jefferson's not a great man because he came up with some flowery phrasing when he was taking a break from banging his slave. He's not a great man because he sent Lewis and Clark on their way. He's not important to America because of the Louisiana Purchase - we would have gotten that one way or another.

He's great for two things he did for us.

1. DECIMAL CURRENCY. It took Europe, what, close to 200 years to catch up with that?

2. HE SUPERIMPOSED A FUCKING GRID OVER THE ENTIRE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES. Ever look out the window of a plane and see how the farmland below looks like a checkerboard? Ever notice how all the streets in Denver are north/south or east/west and the blocks are 1/6 of a mile long? THOMAS JEFFERSON DID THAT.

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>>435396

Pity none of them took.

Kiss your Master's feet.

>> No.435434

>>435432
>Implying the Queen is an absolutist.

>> No.435441

>>435432
I think you'll find that you operate at the whim of the Prime Minister in Cabinet of the day who operates at the whim of Parliament as constituted by irregular general elections called on the whim of Parliament and suspendable on the whim of Parliament.

Enjoy having, in effect, lost the Civil War.

Also, you and your brood of fucknuckle brats need to win every time. We only need to win once.

>> No.435520

>>435441

But she's STILL your Queen. She was born to rule over you.

>> No.435543

>>435520
You're easily assuming I'm British.

I live in a country where a constitution is supreme as a result of a number of parliamentary acts in the early to mid 1980s.

>> No.435563

This is Texas, We do what we won't and listen to no one. No matter if it's good or bad for us.

>> No.435572

>>435563
Austin > Dallas.

>> No.436105

>>435563

so what you are saying is you're a bunch of raging faggotretards? sweet

>> No.436119

This kind of shit makes me ashamed to be a Texan (I very rarely say that). Fucking conservative jizz rags. How about recounting history as it happened, and not how it serves your narrow-minded purposes.

All I can say is what.the.fuck.

If anyone wants to go to Austin and protest or blow something up, I'm legitimately down to do so, I'm leaving for Austin tonight for SXSW anyway.

>> No.436150

San Antonio>All

>> No.436151

>>436119
Blow something up, you're forgetting about the death penalty......

>> No.436387

this is unbelievable

fucking Texas

>> No.436387,1 [INTERNAL] 

This board was literally plebbit.
What the fuck man.