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[Anonymous No.4317230]

Dear analyticfags:

WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW???

[Anonymous No.4317235]

[Anonymous No.4317238]

>assuming Singer would want you to save his ass given the situation.

[Anonymous No.4317790]

No.

[Anonymous No.4317796]

I don't recognise all of those old men :(

[Anonymous No.4317808]

>>4317796
judith butler is a woman tho

[Anonymous No.4317819]

>>4317230

>thinking either option matters
>not firing all six bullets

[Anonymous No.4317823]

>a bunch of white racist cismales dies
How terrible.

[Anonymous No.4317824]

The only thing complicated about this situation is the emotional and subjective elements, objectively it's like asking which number of deaths would be smaller

[Anonymous No.4317950]

>>4317796
I only know Zizek, Butler, Habermas, Badiou(?) and Singer. I'm sure I've at least heard of all if them, but I can't recognize then.

[Anonymous No.4317953]

Saving Singer would be the more moral because the others wouldn't be able to decide if they wanted to live or not (except Habermas, why is he there?)

[Anonymous No.4317979]

Zizek must live

[Anonymous No.4318055]

>>4317824
>implying the arbitrary assumed value of a smaller quantity of deaths in any way objective

Top pleb

[Anonymous No.4318161]

>implying the correct course of actions isn't to humble yourself before God and accept His will as absolute, and pray for mercy on behalf of the men tied to the tracks.

Goodness resides in the Spirit, not in any external action you pleb. If the latter were true then a man who murdered somebody could accidentally be the greatest saint in the history of the the world if it just so happpened that the man "would have" gone on to father a line of the worst mass murderers in history. And yet, he was still a murderer at heart.
You think a man that flips the switch with the detached, bemused outlook of a comic-book villain who likes to feel his own power and influence over people is the same as a person who flips the switch because he sincerely believes that it's the right thing to do or because he loves somebody on the original track?
The question is not a matter of IF the switch is flipped or not and the following consequences, it's a matter of HOW the switch is flipped or not-flipped.

[Anonymous No.4318166]

>>4317235

What if the switch was like a subatomic particle or whatever like in the Schrodinger Cat/box and it ended with the Train being "spread" over both tracks simultaneously?

[Anonymous No.4318175]

>>4317230

[Anonymous No.4318181]

>>4318175
should've drawn him in ghostbuster outfit with one of those ghostbuster vacuums vacuuming up the train as the spook it is.

[Anonymous No.4318208]

>>4318181
No.

>I say: liberate yourself as far as you can, and you have done your part; for it is not given to every one to break through all limits, or, more expressively, not to everyone is that a limit which is a limit for the rest. Consequently, do not tire yourself with toiling at the limits of others; enough if you tear down yours. [...] He who overturns one of his limits may have shown others the way and the means; the overturning of their limits remains their affair. ...."

— Max Stirner, The Ego and Its Own p. 127

[Anonymous No.4318215]

>>4318208
These "limits" sound like spooks to me.

[Anonymous No.4318424]

Now THIS is what I cal Nihilism

[Anonymous No.4318444]

>>4318166

It's nonsense because atomic decay needs to be "observed" for it to have an effect on the witching mechanism. Observation means interaction with other particles.

[Anonymous No.4318453]

>>4318444
you can observe it with photons and presumably other non-particle bits of existence

[Anonymous No.4318460]

>>4318453

But that will give the decay a definite state, which would correspond to the switching mechanism.

[Anonymous No.4318464]

>>4318460
so? I was just commenting that you don't need a particle to observe

[Anonymous No.4318467]

>>4317235
I laughed my damn face off.

Oh, Chinese cartoons. Don't ever change.

[Anonymous No.4318468]

>>4318464

Photons are particles. Interaction is always vaguely corpuscular. Even the fundamental forces are mediated by particles.

[Anonymous No.4318470]

>>4318468
I thought bosons were just excitations of them, not mediators

I need to take a quantum course

[Anonymous No.4318678]

How do we know if the trolley is even moving?

[Anonymous No.4318785]

>>4317808
How do you know she identifies as a woman you shtlord?

[Anonymous No.4318791]

>>4318678
The Trolly Can't Even Be Real Because Our Eyes Aren't Real.

[Anonymous No.4318815]

>>4318785
I got a genuine chuckle from this. Thank you

[Anonymous No.4319662]

>>4317796
Peter Singer is on top.

Zizek, Butler, Badiou, Habermas, and Balibar are on the bottom.

[Anonymous No.4319683]

>>4318468

I never thought I'd say this but

go back to /sci/

[Anonymous No.4320116]

>>4317230
A real utilitarian wouldn't pull the switch in this case.

[Anonymous No.4320186]

>tie shoelaces, belt, shirt and pants together to shoes
>grapple top of trolley with chain
>pull lever just as trolley approaches bend
>also pull chain
>trolley breaks off track
>hits me
>ohshit.jpg
>watch as they slowly manage to free themselves and then approach my half-naked, mortally wounded body
>they do nothing to save me
>instead discuss the meaning of the scene in a literary context

[Anonymous No.4320209]

>>4320116

Why?

[Anonymous No.4320213]

Of course the one person track.

No regrets either.

[Anonymous No.4320217]

the choice never mattered to begin with

[Anonymous No.4320237]

ALL THAT MATTERS IS THAT THEY ARE TIED ON THE TRACK AND I AM NOT

[Anonymous No.4320245]

>>4320217
But: if you don't switch the train, one person is forced to fearfully await their oncoming doom for an extra second or two (how fast is this trolley moving?); if you do, five are. Don't switch the train. Why wouldn't those few seconds matter? Because they're inconsequential when compared to an entire human life? Don't be silly; an entire life is inconsequential when compared to the entire species or the universe or some other large bullshit.

currently in philosophy 101 at my uni what up

[Anonymous No.4320248]

>>4317230
But what if I were to become the train and the train were to choose whether or not to pull my lever? Surely then the train would admit defeat.

[Anonymous No.4320253]

>>4320245

Which is good.

[Anonymous No.4320259]

>>4320209
Because Singer's tied to the track, dipshit.

[Anonymous No.4320294]

>>4320259
But how do we 'know' that he is 'actually' tied to the tracks, and that the tracks are not actually a psychological projection of our own insecurities in regards to making tough decisions?

[Anonymous No.4320301]

>>4320294
That high pitched sound you're hearing right now is actually my own (in-progress) attempt to psychologically project my dick down your throat.

[Anonymous No.4320303]

>>4320301
But, is that really a manifestation of your penile erection or is it simply a metaphor for how society treats those who attempt to challenge the status quo?

[Anonymous No.4320306]

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