/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4314357]

In the era of Science, why do people specialize in philosophy and humanities?

Science is like Magic, we literally have schools that train you to be a Wizard, yet people decline because it's too hard.

Can science fiction inspire a generation??

[Anonymous No.4314360]

>>4314357

Science is Philosophy OP.

You're saying we should delve into fiction to be inspired by reality. You are one mixed up fellow. Go outside.

[Anonymous No.4314361]

Science is meaningless without philosophy, kid.

>>>/sci/

[Anonymous No.4314364]

>>4314361

the two are mutually inclusive

[Anonymous No.4314369]

When asked, "Why science?" the scientist can't explain why it's better to spend one's time doing science rather than practicing becoming a tap dancer

[Anonymous No.4314374]

>>4314369
neither can the philosopher to be fair

[Anonymous No.4314375]

>>4314374
>NUTHIN MATTERZ

[Anonymous No.4314378]

>Four STEM majors walk into a bar
>T, E and M order drinks
>S can't afford shit
>As he leaves, a crowd of humanities come in and order cocktails

It should really be called TEM.

[Anonymous No.4314382]

>>4314374

Yes it can.

[Anonymous No.4314384]

>>4314382
>Positivism
>Answers

[Anonymous No.4314385]

>>4314357

Is this thread working out like OP had hoped?

Why didn't you just start a sci-fi general?

[Anonymous No.4314387]

>>4314378
>Four STEM majors walk into a bar
>T and E immediately starts laughing about S and M's long time career prospects
>"I hope you're going to med school" said to the biology major
>"I hope you double majored in finance or are getting a MBA" said to the M
>The physics major starts stuttering as T and E laugh it out and joke around about how they can't wait until they turn 30 and "bitches be lining up the block for my 90k salary and upward career prospects"

[Anonymous No.4314393]

>>4314385

Why do you hate science fiction, why not have an IQ?

[Anonymous No.4314401]

>>4314393

I don't but thanks I think I'll have one IQ.

[Anonymous No.4314402]

>>4314401

Choose your destiny.

[Anonymous No.4314416]

>>4314402

I like the disclaimer, paraphrased: These are IQ's with no sources for the stats, they also imply nothing. Read some William Gibson or something.

[Anonymous No.4314424]

>>4314402
Gee I wonder if it's because the IQ test are based around physics, mathematics and economics in a first world country

[Anonymous No.4314435]

>>4314424

>Grey Hounds are faster than Chihuahas because of social inequality and wealth

[Anonymous No.4314443]

>>4314435

>Airplanes are faster than birds because of social inequality and wealth.

[Anonymous No.4314446]

>>4314443
>faster

>implying speed is not a social construct

[Anonymous No.4314455]

>>4314446

Velocity exists and is objective. It is not subject to truth values.

[Anonymous No.4314463]

>>4314455
>Velocity exists and is objective

'Objective' is also a social construct.

> It is not subject to truth values.

So you're saying it isn't subject to being true nor false.

[Anonymous No.4314467]

>>4314463

It simply exists whether we assign values to it or not. It is a phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.4314469]

>>4314467
Define exist.

[Anonymous No.4314472]

>>4314467

Velocity is relative to an observer or frame of reference. It stops existing at various subjective angles.

[Anonymous No.4314476]

>>4314469

Exist is a word assigned a subjective meaning. If you want to deconstruct this any further I'm afraid we won't be able to communicate very well.

[Anonymous No.4314483]

>>4314472

>what is a phenomenon.

When it stops being observable it ceases to exist*.

[Anonymous No.4314492]

>>4314483
>When it stops being observable it ceases to exist*.

>Its only observable relative to a subjectivity

Ya its a social construct.

[Anonymous No.4314499]

>>4314492
>Velocity exists and is objective. It is not subject to truth values.

[Anonymous No.4314660]

>>4314387
>Four stem majors walk into a bar
>An english major asks what they'll be having tonight
>E sucks everyone's dicks
>M pours two cups
>A policeman finds a dead whore in S's trunk and arrests himself for murder
>T tries awkardly to pick up girls by talking about video games

[Anonymous No.4314702]

>>4314378
Why is it even called STEM? Aren't technology and engineering usually under one college?

[Anonymous No.4314705]

>>4314357
>Science is like Magic, we literally have schools that train you to be a Wizard, yet people decline because it's too hard.
That's the problem, OP. You can't change IQ - there are probably millions who want to be astronauts, doctors and scientists, they just don't have the skills and talent for it.

[Anonymous No.4314708]

>>4314463
Fuck Postmodernism, the ultimate way of thought for being an edgy fucktard

[Anonymous No.4314710]

>>4314705
But everyone knows that IQ is only one of the numerous variables that determines success.

[Anonymous No.4314711]

>>4314357

[Anonymous No.4314717]

>>4314360
Jusct cause my mother gave birth to me does not mean I am my mother.

[Anonymous No.4314718]

>>4314357
>Poets make discovery
>Science confirms it 100 years later
>'We already knew that, dorks' -poets

Thank me later

[Anonymous No.4314720]

>>4314357
>why do people specialize in philosophy and humanities?
history
context, perspective
cultural
creative, artistic reasons

anyways, the point of science is only for knowledge, and only knowledge

the most employable people i know, are programmers/developers who know jack shit about the anything that's not within their IDE, let alone the world

anyways a bait thread

[Anonymous No.4314722]

>>4314361
So philosophy is also useless without science?

[Anonymous No.4314725]

>>4314722
philosophy, or the modern nietzsche circle jerk belongs in the septic tank

[Anonymous No.4314726]

>this thread
>STEMfags not understanding the principles that underline their field
>trolls being trolls
>muh fallacies

[Anonymous No.4314728]

what good is it to know that there is a graviton when we live in a society riddled with social problems, we have advanced technology and yet we are very unhappy, so I dislike the scientists blinded by specialisation and prefer a more generalist approach to science, I'd like to do the unthinkable, to use science in order to redisign our whole values and infrostructure so that we are happy, stop polluting the environment, and start using resources efficiently.
I know its possible, just look up The Venus Project, and if you have questions about the transition then look up The Molecularists.

[Anonymous No.4314731]

>>4314726
Philosophy is dead get over it.
It gave birth to something that overshadows it, now it is a has been irrelevant fuck.

[Anonymous No.4314732]

>>4314725
Hey I like Nietzsche circle jerking

[Anonymous No.4314734]

Why do people even care about philosophy now that every philosophy problem is solved?

[Anonymous No.4314736]

>>4314357
>Can science fiction inspire a generation??

If you're too lazy to get into philosophy and want something accessable and entry level just start listening to The Offspring.

[Anonymous No.4314737]

>>4314731
>thought is dead deal with it it gave birth to something that overshadows it and I'm gay
I'm not even a humanities fag. I'm just a regretted asspained STEMtard who had to study philosophy on my free time because it's not compulsory on all courses.

[Anonymous No.4314743]

>>4314740
>I have no idea of what I'm talking about

[Anonymous No.4314740]

Science is to philosophy as English is to Latin. Its okay to learn latin but if that is the only thing you speak.... then what.

[Anonymous No.4314745]

>>4314737
Equating philosophy to thought. You need to learn how to think?

[Anonymous No.4314747]

>>4314743
Science is the new philosophy. Get with the times.

[Anonymous No.4314746]

>>4314357
>Science is like magic
This is what people who have never studied science actually believe.

[Anonymous No.4314749]

>>4314746
Tell me about it. Thats how religion came about.

[Anonymous No.4314752]

>>4314749
Science is an abstraction of "nature" or cosmos or god or whatever do you call it just like any other. Religion is an abstraction of "that" too. The problem is that kids are getting fed with shit positivism in schools and adopting it as a new faith.

[Anonymous No.4314754]

>>4314752
This. The sun was just as bright when it was Apollo and his carriage as it is now, a huge nuclear oven.

[Anonymous No.4314755]

What is with this science vs philosophy thing /lit/ and /sci/ has got going , cant you all just get along?

[Anonymous No.4314758]

Are we getting raided by /sci/ and /pol/?
>>4314755
STEM undergrads thinking they are the hot shit.

[Anonymous No.4314779]

Is there a problem in saying that both are important?

[Anonymous No.4314781]

>>4314779
No, but people are trying to start drama. Bet they are 21 and under.

[Anonymous No.4314812]

I bet all the STEM and humanities majors shit flinging right now are undergrads.

[Anonymous No.4314845]

>>4314812
I always wonder how many of these shit posters are in their first or second year of the program thinking they're a full fledge engineer and everyone is beneath them.

Now I have nothing but respect to the stem people but from my personal experience and general statistics a majority of these "engineers" only engineer their switching to another major to dropping out.

[Anonymous No.4315446]

STEM fag here

What is the value of philosophy? I like philosophy but sometimes i wonder what the point is. Sure the Greeks and political philosphers have made an impact but what impact has someone like Nietzche or Kant had on society?

[Anonymous No.4316200]

>>4314387
>mfw biology major obviously goes to med school
>mfw M does get an MBA
>mfw E and T get 90k salary at thirty and end up in oil field position where skilled trades make 200k+.
>mfw E and T's marry one of those "bitches" and ten years later she's sucking skilled trades cock because E and T was never a real man to begin with since they had to wait until they were 30 to get any.
>mfw in the real world E and T are managed by MBA in order to get there egos in check, which is hard because as linear thinkers they are actually fucking retarded when it comes to anything but the theoretical application of there field
>mfw the inflated ego of a as/T with little man syndrome is quite easily deflated as the MD (formerly S) and the MBA (formerly M) ask how E and T like their "future prospects" compared to their own

[Anonymous No.4316209]

>>4314812
>>4314845
it's amazing how there are so many stem sophomores and then they just peter off with a few exceptions.

[Anonymous No.4316448]

>>4316200
if there any physics majors reading this, don't worry you can join us humanities in the cult of passion at the expense of a vow of poverty
until you get your phd and become a quant don't leave us pls

[Anonymous No.4316456]

>>4314357
We're past the era of science, we're in the era of technology.

And why do you capitalise science? Science isn't something godly.

[Anonymous No.4316460]

>>4315446
Kant heavily influenced science
You should know this as a STEMfag

[Anonymous No.4316466]

>>4314387
>E
>bitches
>implying women

I lol'd heartily.

[Anonymous No.4316469]

>>4315446
>What is the value of philosophy? I like philosophy but sometimes i wonder what the point is.

It has no point to plebeians. Philosophy is written by Patricians for Patricians.

> Sure the Greeks and political philosphers have made an impact but what impact has someone like Nietzche or Kant had on society?

They've had too much impact. More than any scientist.

[Anonymous No.4316477]

>>4315446
Kants synthetic a priori and his 'Ding an sich' changed science forever. Kant was heavily influenced by Newton and he heavily influenced all scientists ever after him. Nietzsche was more of a philosophy of culture guy, he's basically a wizard who could look into the future of the Western world.

This is ethics aside of course, ethics are always relevant for your life

[Anonymous No.4316572]

>>4315446
If u like universal human rights and international law u should like Kant.

Also he broke every metaphysical ontological argument for god.

[Anonymous No.4316577]

>>4314424
You don't know how IQ tests work.

[Anonymous No.4316592]

>>4314483
>play peekaboo with my toddler
>cease to exist
fuck, how do I get back into reality?

[Anonymous No.4316610]

>>4314731
Hahahahhahahahahah
We need philosophy more than ever kid. Who is going to discuss bioethics? How ethical it is to choose your son's genes? Who is going to tell us what it means to be human when the distinction between reality and subjectivity (the very founding dichotomy of our humanity) gets blurred by trans-human technology? Mathemathics? Engineers? Don't make me laugh

[Anonymous No.4316615]

>>4316592

If you're a father and you are this stupid I seriously worry for the child.

[Anonymous No.4316617]

>>4314745
Of course you do.
Especially new paradigms of thought. Einstein discovered relativity inspired by Heraclitus

[Anonymous No.4316623]

>>4316592
In the eyes of the toddler you actually ceases to exist.

Lrn2phenomenology

[Anonymous No.4316639]

>>4316623
in the eyes of phenomenology how do you make any statements regarding what the toddler can or cannot see
Husserl tries to get around this I think but not very well

[Anonymous No.4316655]

>>4316639
By observing its actions and merely describing it without putting your own presumptions into the description and create hypothesis based on these descriptions. Until neuroscience steps it up this is the best we can do.

[Anonymous No.4316662]

Science may resulting in the discovery of nuclear fission and engineering may result in the atomic bomb, but neither of these fields can answer if using either of those is morally acceptable. Neither of those fields can answer what can be done to rich our culture or resolve conflicts. I am an engineer so I value solving practical problems, but I am humble enough to realize that it is not my place to solve the unpractical problems.

[Anonymous No.4316671]

>>4316200
>Biology major obviously goes to med school
I actually think more physical science students and engineering student get into med school relative to biology at least in terms of percentage of applicant that apply.

[Anonymous No.4316729]

>>4314357
I did Lit, History, Biology and Chemistry at A-Level and achieved top grades in all four. I'm now doing a Lit degree because I prefer it to the sciences, it's not because the sciences are hard.

[Anonymous No.4316746]

>>4314357
Because I don't want to be a lab monkey. I'd rather not work at all. A proper education in philosophy and literature is excellent for the loaf life.

[Anonymous No.4316752]

>>4314360
>Science is Philosophy OP.

Try taking that shit to /sci/ and seeing how far it gets.

[Anonymous No.4316754]

Magic is becoming so good at philosophizing, you can answer questions like this.

I'm studying in a STEM field and afterwards I'm planning on studying something related to literature or philosophy. Considering theatre because one of the teachers that marked me the most in high school was a major in theatre and a director, but I'll mostly just have to wait and see what I become attracted to. I'll mostly study it leisurely because I have a wealthy supporting family and by then hopefully an engineering degree to fall back on.

[Anonymous No.4316751]

>>4316746
>this generation in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.4316757]

>>4316752
Philosophy literally means love for knowledge. Appreciating science is, in itself, a philosophical posture. One without which, there would be nobody studying or further advancing science, and as a result it'd die fast.

[Anonymous No.4316762]

>>4316751
>STEMfriends engineer 300k starting and make automatisation happen
>humanities, all too humanities do fuck all
>???
>everybody wins

[Anonymous No.4316764]

>>4316757
it means love of wisdom, you moist cunny :)

[Anonymous No.4316778]

>>4316764
it means love of sophism as u know

[Anonymous No.4316781]

>>4316764
Shut up, farty butt.

[Anonymous No.4316785]

>>4316778
no

[Anonymous No.4316806]

>>4314357
>people decline because it's too hard.
10/10 full-on mad

[Anonymous No.4316834]

>>4314754
>The Last Unicorn as written by Tom Clancy. jpg

[Anonymous No.4316840]

>>4316639
>>4316615
>not knowing babbys can only perceive other's existence by following their eyes
top STEM

[Anonymous No.4316851]

>>4314746
>knows exactly zero things about magic