/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4297030]

Did you already move past Nietzsche /lit/? He neglects sexuality as a form of life force and rejects the apolline but still has pretensions towards some of it's fruits. Not to mention that he worships aggression for the sake of agression.

[Anonymous No.4297040]

Are you implying the Dionysian concept does not have sexual aspects ?

[Anonymous No.4297042]

>>4297030
No but I probably should? I know his conflict with the Appoline but I share it too so I'm not in a position to criticize. I suppose I'm maybe more of a pacifist and at least most of a collectivist but he still ground a lot of good thinking.

[Anonymous No.4297047]

>>4297042
Procreation is a necessity for power, both for survival and rejuvenation. It's present in both the Apollonian and Dionysian principle. The difference lies in what you see your children as. In the Apollonian system they are a part of society, in the Dionysian they are both creators and destroyers.

[Anonymous No.4297048]

>>4297047
Wait how is procreation Apollonian? I'd think it would fall under a primitivist hedonistic part of Dionysian tendencies. Maybe I didn't read where he mentioned that?

[Anonymous No.4297051]

>>4297048
Due to necessity. Christianity may have a problem with it, other culture's Apollonian form does not have it necessarily. Though you have a point that the Dionysian has an easier time with it.

[Anonymous No.4297052]

>>4297040
It might have but freddy still rejected truly liberated sexuality. I have an impression that sexuality is mostly about procreation and maybe companionship for him

[Anonymous No.4297055]

>>4297052
Procreation actually. He was not saying the Dionysian should rule supreme. He was saying that it should be there with the Apollonian, but that unfortunately the Apollonian took over western civilisation even before Christianity.

[Anonymous No.4297058]

>>4297055
He called himself Dionysian and in his notes he claimed that a type that doesn't want to dominate all other types is a rotten type. Maybe he just wanted the two elements to be in constant struggle. Still, it seems that he considers Dionysian to be superior.

[Anonymous No.4297061]

>>4297058
I guess he just took the side of the underdog. Dionysian according to him was a lost principle and this fact ruined western culture. His best works like Thus Spake Zarathustra are 100% Dionysian in my opinion, there's nothing there justifying law and order. But he was a child of his times, Dionysian means progress and Apollonian means order. 19th century Europe was full of order and pretty static.

[Anonymous No.4297071]

>>4297061
It's not about supporting the underdog, he considers Dionysian superior because it's creative and affirms life. He wants the Apollinian in the tragedy since it helps to grasp the Dionysian essence by contrast.

[Anonymous No.4297080]

>>4297071
He thought the Apollonian was ruling supreme. So he went for the Dionysian to balance this, because according to him the early pre-greek societies had them both side by side. Dionysian alone means creation and war and in the long term self-destruction, Apollonian means law and order, a static society and in the long term decay.

[Anonymous No.4297123]

>He neglects sexuality as a form of life
he said that sexuality had to be divinized and the divine sexualized
He said that being asexual was cool as long as it was voluntarily

[Anonymous No.4297125]

>>4297051
Did Nietzsche believe in moral imperatives like that? I hope not but I fear the answer might be yes....

[Anonymous No.4297127]

>>4297071
Well fucking put

[Anonymous No.4297129]

[Anonymous No.4297136]

>>4297129
>This fag again

[Anonymous No.4297150]

>>4297080
In his notes at some point he wonders if self-destruction is acceptable, saying that life for the sake of not dying is worthless. Even if he didn't fully reject civilization and order he heavily leans towards it. Also I'm glad that we arrived to the topic of his primitivist qualities.

>>4297123
Ya, but what he means as sexuality is it's creative aspect aka procreation. He ignores debauchery, sexual fetishism and so on. The point is that he, contrary to our friend de Sade rejects sexuality as a main source of self-fulfillment. It just seems unfounded and somewhat naive of him.

[Anonymous No.4297172]

>>4297136
I used to like Nietzsche when I was 16 too.

[Anonymous No.4297398]

>>4297030
>He neglects sexuality as a form of life force
He doesn't.
>and rejects the apolline
He doesn't.
>Not to mention that he worships aggression for the sake of agression.
He doesn't.

Why don't cunts read?

[Anonymous No.4297407]

>>4297030
I hammered his twilight description of will back into Schoppy's metaphysics and watched Poltergeist and Tron. Totally worked.

[Anonymous No.4297419]

Continental philosophy is pseudointellectual gibberish for teenagers.

[Anonymous No.4297451]

>>4297419
>average analytical nihilist who doesn't value the value game of post-rational construction

[Anonymous No.4297737]

if you read the birth of tragedy you'd know he most reveres a synthesis of the Apollonian and Dionysian, but you haven't read that.

[Anonymous No.4298655]

You're all deeply mistaken. Nietzsche didn't reject the Apollonian. Read The Birth of the Tragedy. Nietzsche exalted Greek tragedy, where Apollonian subjectivity and Dionysian wisdom unite in a dialectic resulting in cathartic beauty.

What he truly hated was Christian and Socratic nihilism, which negated both the Apollonian and the Dionysian, thus masking true being from men.

[Anonymous No.4299012]

>>4298655
>You're all
Don't flush us all down with OP, friendo.