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Why do English speakers pronounce lingerie as /lɑːnʒərˈreɪ/, excessively depressing the first vowel of the French [lɛ̃ʒəʁi] to sound more like a "typical" French nasal vowel, and rhyming the final syllable with the English word 'ray'?

>> No.429323

Because that's how we learned to pronounce it.

>> No.429325

Because more tits.

>> No.429327

Why wouldn't they?

>> No.429326

How would you pronounce it, OP?

>> No.429333

>>429320
>Expecting immaculate French pronunciations from native English speakers

>> No.429338

>>429326

The way it's written.
This is coming from a French speaker.

>> No.429339

English is like the bastard child of French and German.

>> No.429341

It's supposed to be pronounced kind of like "laundry"

>> No.429345 [DELETED] 

>>429341

The word ends with an 'eeeee' sound.

and the 'awn' part should be more of a 'ahhhn'

>> No.429347 [DELETED] 

The word ends with an 'eeeee' sound.

and the 'awn' part should be more of a 'ahhhn'

>> No.429351

>>429333

What's wrong with this?

>> No.429358

>>429338 The way it's written.

Lolwut. You must come up with some wacky pronunciations for English words if you expect anything in English to be pronounced the way it's written.

>>429347 should be more of a 'ahhhn'

That's how English speakers say it.

>> No.429364

If lingerie were pronounced the way it's written, then it would be pronounced like the word linger followed by a long e. I thought it was pronounced this way the first time I read it when I was like 10

>> No.429379

I think he meant "the way a French person would read it" when he said "The way it's written."

>> No.429385

>>429379
But English speakers don't know how to pronounce French words

>> No.429391

>>429379
Are you retarded?

>> No.429392

>The one borrowed word from French that English has indisputably improved in pronunciation
>Why?

>> No.429401

>>429385

This is what's wrong with America.

>> No.429410

>>429401
Actually there are a million other much worse things but OK

>> No.429413

>>429401
Yes. What a terrible problem for Americans that they don't each, to a man, learn to speak French from childhood...

>> No.429421

>>429413

Indeed.

>> No.429431

>>429401
That's actually one of the better things about America. I'm all for multilingualism, as long as it's not French.

>> No.429437

So how is it pronounced?

>> No.429435

Everyone should be taught from early childhood at least the top ten of this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers

>> No.429449

>>429435
Or maybe just all of the ones on this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-widely_spoken_languages_%28by_number_of_countries%29

>> No.429452

Listen and learn my friends.

http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=lingerie

>> No.429453

>>429401
but i'm sure there are words in french that have been adopted from other languages that are being mispronounced according to their native speakers.

now if a person who knew french, and was speaking french, said the (now) English word than i'd be confused. but to find it strange that the English language has adopted new words from other languages, and than made them it's own words with similar or identical meanings, is somewhat retarded, since that's what happens in a lot of languages.

>> No.429474

>>429449
Yeah, trying to teach kids six languages won't retard their development at all.

That's an interesting way to construct the list, bumping French from 14 to first.

>> No.429487

>but i'm sure there are words in french that have been adopted from other languages that are being mispronounced according to their native speakers.

The French actually resist foreign lingual encroachment. Their beautiful language remains relatively pure. It's quite admirable.

>> No.429489

Because I live in the United States, I speak English and Spanish. Those are the most commonly spoken languages here. I suppose it would be cool if I spoke ten languages..... but, like, WHY? Who cares? You know how many people I meet who speak French on a daily basis? Zero.

>> No.429495

>>429487
that just means the words don't get promoted to being included into the language, not that they aren't used.

>> No.429499

>>429489
So you can read more books and poems in their original language

>> No.429501

>>429474
umm, how would teaching kids languages retard them? just asking if you have anything to back that up, or maybe you're just giving an excuse to your wasted childhood.

>> No.429503

>>429495

>not that they aren't used
The low-born don't know any better.
It's not even worth mentioning.

>> No.429511 [DELETED] 

Feel good to pronounce lingerie to right way.

>> No.429510
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429510

Ooh OP looks sexy

>oh my god is that Maggie Gyllenhaal

>> No.429507

Everyone should know two languages.

>> No.429514

Feel good to pronounce lingerie the right way.

>> No.429516

>>429487
tell that to the word weekend

>> No.429526

>>429503
right, right, since the french have not yet taken part in the industrial revolution, they still have only a lower-class and an upper-class. good thing you don't have to worry about the middle-class there, it's all kind of fucked up in it's blurring of social norms.

>> No.429532

>>429487

Yes, cultural genocide is admirable.

>> No.430234

If she got some tit implants she would be decent. Otherwise she is garbage.

>> No.430241

>>430234

Plastic tits are never an improvement. You may as well screw a blow up sex doll or fondle a barbie.

>> No.430259

>>429501
Teaching them a couple wouldn't. But the logic of a child's development being retarded by learning six languages at once is self evident. It's like trying to teach the to be good at hockey, ping-pong and basketball all at once. Ever heard the expression "Jack of all trade, master of none"?

>> No.430283

>>429338
because if you say it "Lingery" as it's written, then you get the image of a dirty old man loitering around the underwear department (linger is a verb meaning to hang about in an antisocial or seedy manner).

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>> No.430291

>>430259
It's also a lot of time lost on other things the child should be learning, like history, mathematics, science. I wouldn't mind it if throughout a kid's education, he was always studying one language. If he spent four years on each language, by the time he graduated high school he would have mastered three languages in addition to his native language. I'd be in favor of that. But to try to teach a kid a bunch of languages from birth, I think, would be too much -- it would be the overrating of languages at the expense of other, more important things, he should be learning.