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Hey /lit/. What do your philosophy books look like when youre done with them? Do you have a specific systems for taking notes? (if you take notes)

Pic related, it's one of mine. I highlight words to define, interesting quotes, and referenced works, all with different colors. I also underline, kind of arbitrarily, basically I underline what i need to in order to fully comprehend the paragraph.

Post pics of yours for examples.

>> No.4292399

bump

>> No.4292415

>>4292354
my critical theory book is like that. it helps when i go back for specific terms or explanations

>> No.4292420

>>4292415
What was your system for marking like?

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4292430

I thought that maybe there was some way to place something over the contact area, so that the printer thought the right metal contacts were touching it

>> No.4292432

>>4292430
wrong thread. whoooooops

>> No.4292437

Post-its everywhere.

>> No.4292440

>>4292437
I have a couple of those. I have always found that writing directly on the book works better for me

>> No.4292466

I usually write all my thoughts in a notebook, leave the book untouched

>> No.4292511

bamp, you guys blab about philosophy all the timez, how do you analyze while youre reading?

>> No.4292533

>>4292466
this. allows me to write down paragraphs of thought
there should be a similar app on an ipad where you can highlight a word and type somewhere else and it's pinned to the word

>> No.4292546

>>4292533
usually I can get important thoughts out in small snippets while reading, then go back over them later and expand.

Captcha: Seneca heckliWh

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>>4292354
Mostly this.

>> No.4292593

>>4292572
I think its funny that you rotate the book and write upside down on the bottom of the page.

>> No.4292621

Action is my philosophy, and reading isn't an actions. Deal with it, you guys will never changenuthin.

>> No.4292626

>>4292593
>You're making me blush, Anon-kun

>> No.4292643

>>4292572
>>4292354
I always feel a sense of accomplishment when I deface a book like this

>> No.4292646

kind of like op's pic plus a couple of jr. legal pad pages stuck in strategic places where i've summarized/rewritten arguments or worked out something long-hand

>> No.4292647

>>4292621
But reading is an action. And if reading is an action, and your philosophy is explicitly action, do you do nothing but read philosophy?

You should stop doing it so much. It's not like reading silly books by dead white guys is going to save the world

>> No.4292669

>>4292646
Do use multiple whole pads for one book?

>> No.4292670

>>4292621
>not doing reading and action
>2013

top kek

>> No.4292686

>>4292647
Fuck you!

>> No.4292717

>>4292686
Get out of this interesting thread

>> No.4292765

OK. I figure this is a good place to ask this. Do I have to read the greeks to understand more modern works?

>> No.4292768

>>4292765
Some.

>> No.4292778

>>4292768
To what extent would you reccomend?

>> No.4292780

>>4292437
this
but that girly ones that are shaped, stars, hearts, cicles and squares, no special order, it helps me to remember where is a quote

>> No.4292786

>>4292621
>and reading isn't an actions
>isn't an actions
you should be friend with the action of read

>> No.4292792
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>>4292354
Underlines to help understand and slow me down while reading.

Notes in back of the book, if the book doesn't give me extra pages then notes in a spiral.

>> No.4292793

>>4292765
nah, read novels.

>> No.4292798

My handwriting is too chunky, so this approach usually fails. I highlighted the fuck out of Schopenhauer though.

I just tend to read the books, then memorise whatever quotes I liked. Not word for word--I just mark them in my mind so that I can use them in essays to show off later.

No one can memorize books. Schopenhauer wrote part of an essay on that. If you're arguing with someone, bring out a book. They'll never remember what was in the book, nor what the author actually said. Thus, you win through mob validation and a few Latin phrases.

>> No.4292805

>>4292792
So do you constantly flip back and forth between the back and the page youre reading?

>> No.4292806

>>4292792
Do you agree with Plato's definition of justice?

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>>4292572
>>4292792
>tfw no lovely big margins or spare pages to write notes in.
>tfw I'm always travelling, and a notebook it just a hassle.

>> No.4292839

>>4292816
Surely you can carry a small legal pad if you can carry a book

>> No.4292864

highlighting or adding notes to books is for egoic try hard intellectuals who think their petty thoughts are worth noting for someone else or even themselves.

especially if you give or lend the book to someone after.

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4292887

>writing in books

>> No.4292890

>>4292887
Fuck that picture

>>4292864
Stay pleb

>> No.4292908

>>4292805
Yeah. It's another way that I make myself slow down and actually consider the argument posed. It helps me to mentally switch from reading a novel into reading philosophy,
>>4292806
In short: no, but I don't think that Plato wants you too, either.
If you want to discuss this further/have read the Republic, I can give you my email.
>>4292816
If you can carry a book, you can carry at least sticky notes.
>>4292864
Writing notes is to help develop your own understanding of the argument presented, and also often helps in forming your own opinion. If nothing else, it will make finding particular passages much easier.

>> No.4292920

Is this philosophy class, or for personal interest? Either way, would you all be so kind as to point into a world of philosophical works?

>> No.4292926

>>4292908
I love you. Thanks for keeping this thread logical.

In regards to slowing down. In the past I have spent an hour and only gotten through three pages of a book. It was some of the most fulfilling reading ive ever done.

>> No.4292946

I don't own much philosophy books but I am writing in my copy of Capital as I read it along with taking notes in it from Harvey's lectures. It's almost entirely marginalia, questions I have while reading it, underlining parts I don't understand, simplifying/rephrasing confusing parts, diagramming his value theory. All in pencil, no highlighting. Too lazy to scan it.

I don't feel motivated to actually annotate if I'm not studying it purposefully in some type of academic context. But I don't study philosophy or literature so woe to me.

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4292951

>not having a binders and binders of notes for each work you study while also having an photographic memory of each page whilst obtaining each copy ever printed, including first editions

top blep

>> No.4292959

>>4292951
My first edition of the Phaedo just came in actually, I'm pretty excited

>> No.4292967

>>4292354
How the fuck do you even read a book like that?

>> No.4292969

>>4292920
The copy of the Republic I posted above is for a class. I will admit I read much more carefully for classes because I know I am going to have to discuss and write more about the text. When I read outside of class, I only take notes to paraphrase whatever a passage is saying if I think it is particularly thought provoking or something like that.
I'm a little bit confused about your question, are you asking what books to read as an introduction to philosophy?
>>4292926
You bet, m8. I know what you mean though. Some books for me I average 10 pages an hour, just because I am reading in such a different way from fiction.

>> No.4292978

>>4292765
Nope. Doesn't hurt, but anyone who tells you that they are terribly important to understanding modern literature is full of shit.

>> No.4292980

>>4292959
>1st edition
>ancient Greek text
u wot m8

>> No.4292984

>>4292969
Yes and no, I'm currently feeling unsatisfied and want to better myself in literary works. The best of this situation, so far, is self teaching/ analyzing works in small groups outside of establishments such as school. Since there will be no grade, and I've always enjoyed it, Philosophy is my first thought towards such a thing. So yes, I would like some starting suggestions, so I may wander my way through the vast works of the greats.

>> No.4293014

>Tfw I never make anotations
>I am not into reading philosophy because I think than it is a theme way too subjetive to win something by reading that
I will read philosphy some day. I promise.

>> No.4293018

>>4292967
Carefully. I read the paragraph, go back and underline the essential message, highlight any good quotes, and highlight any words that I want to define.

Then I get out my dictionary and look up the words, and write their definitions in the margins. I do this for every paragraph, and when I'm done with a section or chapter I re-read the whole thing and write a summary of it at the end of the chapter.

>> No.4293083

>>4292984
For starting philosophy you cant go wrong with plato

I actually got into philosophy with this podcast
http://www.historyofphilosophy.net/

>> No.4293087

>>4292669
depends on the book

>> No.4293091

>>4292354
I don't think I can post all the Marxist texts I have physically jizzed on out of respect in a SFW board :(

>> No.4293093

>>4293083
>http://www.historyofphilosophy.net/
Thank you kindly, good friend, I appreciate your assistance.

>> No.4293096

>>4293083
Yes, yes you can. I don't see why you see Plato as infallible. Because he is ancient? Harold Bloom, plz go with your reactionary bullshit.

>> No.4293109

>>4292984
>>4293093
Alright, I am about to be judging you very hard based upon your writing style. You haven't told me anything about yourself, so I've got to guess. I may be way off, call me out on it in that case or just tell me a little bit more about your background.

I'm assuming you are under-aged, and relatively recently "got into" literature. You haven't read any classical/medieval thought but might have an okay grasp on modern philosophy through Wikipedia. You think are smarter than most people.

Anyway that was mainly just a game for my own amusement.
Like the above anon suggested, Plato's a good start. Don't go after the Republic right away. I'd start with the Apology, progress in any way you choose with whatever text you find interesting, just keep in mind when Plato wrote them in relation to one another (it's important, I swear).
From there, you should know where to go and go wherever you find something interesting. Aristotle is the obvious choice.
>>4293096
He didn't say Plato was infallible, he is just a great starting point for reading philosophy. It's tough to go wrong if you start your study with one of the most influential thinkers and best writers of all time.

>> No.4293112

>>4293096
No philosophy is perfect you nigger. I wasn't saying plato is infallible. I was saying he is a good starting point to get into philosophy.

>> No.4293118

>>4293109
I am >>4293096
You couldn't be more off. I have read all of the Republic, Apology and some Aristotle but I don't specifically remember what off the top of my head to the point where I thought I was 2kool4skool by developing an independent study class in high school that was just me reading dialectics with a teacher and analyzing them with frequent short essays. I have since moved on from that viewpoint. I am nowhere near under-aged, sadly ( I wish). I have read a crapton of classical-medieval stuff but I find a solid portion of modern philosophy plain old boring and turgid if not actively politically offensive.

>> No.4293131

>>4292778
You might gain a much better understanding of a lot of philosophy by reading some of Plato and Aristotle.

>> No.4293143

>>4293118
You write like Ignatius Reilly.

Your question doesn't make sense then. You want us to "point you in a world of philosophical works" which you are now claiming to be very welled versed in yourself. It sounds like you've already done a great deal of wandering your "way through the vast works of the greats," seeing as you have read "a crapton of classical-medieval stuff," and you also have read enough to disregard the entire modern school of thought.

So, be honest with us so we can have a discussion. On one hand, you were thankful about being linked to like the first google result for philosophy, but now you claim to have a great deal of experience with the subject. I want to help you want, so tell me where the fuck you are coming from and what you are looking for

>> No.4293152

>>4293112
No, he is YOUR preferred starting point. I would suggest whatever philosopher comes closest to your personal beliefs is the best starter and go from there.

>> No.4293153

>>4292980
I got it signed by Plato too, planning on getting his autograph on my copy of The Republic at his next book-signing.

>> No.4293155

>>4293143
I wasn't the person asking to be "pointed" there are two posters in this thread.

>> No.4293163

>>4293096
Plato doesn't want you to think Plato's infallible either, you baby. He inserts deliberate anachronisms and at even one point in The Republic has Socrates admit that "this isn't the best medium for this" and that actual conversation is better than the written word.

>> No.4293168

I don't write in books.

The pages are sacrosanct.

Only a heathen would willingly deface literature.

>> No.4293175

>>4293168
SHUT IT OFF!!!

>> No.4293245

>>4293091
cum on i wanna see one

>> No.4293266

>>4293163
You obviously had a much better philosophy teacher than I did (not being sarcastic). Also I may have read it on a lot of Adderall and was just trying to get through it. I read through most of the collected works of Plato and Aristotle on Adderall while listening to Techno loudly on satellite radio.

>> No.4293268

>>4293245
Let's just say I have quite the fetish for communistic intellectual Jews with beards (to the point where I am plotting to convert my boyfriend into one), took him last weekend to Synogague and spend most of our phone conversations on /lit/ and philosophy and current events from a socialist/green perspective.

>> No.4293288

>>4293266
That would have made me see forms

>> No.4293332

>>4293268
>having a fetish for Jews
Now that is fuck up! You have my deepest sympathies and I wish you a hasty recovery.

>I am plotting to convert my boyfriend into one
lol do it, I wish more haste in this than the recovery... in fact never mind the recovery; double down on this

>> No.4293355

>>4293332
I am a jew.... tho. The point is to incorporate him into my cult so we can then have babies and indoctrinate them. I am being 100% serious.

>> No.4293432

>>4292908
I would actually love your email.
>tfw no literature bros to argue and contemplate with[/spolier]

>> No.4293567

Honestly, does taking notes help with comprehension? I'm struggling through a book and was wondering if I should start taking notes or something while I read.

>> No.4293569

>>4293567
Having a pen to underline beautiful things usually does it for me. Or underline in the kindle, the same thing.

>> No.4293604

>defiling your books

Quel horreur.

>> No.4293605

>>4292792
Do you only have four fingers on your left hand?

>> No.4293635

I underline the keywords and important ideas with a pencil, and sometimes add some extra keywords at the top of the page for reference (sort of like chapter-titles).
I also have a notepad next to the book where I summarize the underlined parts (this is usually based on the paper I'm writing).

>> No.4293641

>>4293118
I'm eighteen, I feel average amongst my peers, I'm interested in philosophy, I wanted suggestions on where to start. Everything before my posts here, as far as literature goes, is directly related to; Stephen King, Orson Scott Card, and Vladimir Nabakov, with some various authors on the side. I'm sorry that the way I wrote sent you that vibe, but I feel it's just entirely untrue.

>> No.4293663

>>4292420
underline important sentences or parts of a sentence and highlighting key words

>> No.4293775

>>4293567
Totally does man.

>> No.4293794

>>4293567
It will make the exercise of reading longer, but you'll gain more from it and improve your writing as well.

>> No.4294935

>>4293432
It's in the field
>>4293266
I would argue that the majority of the time Plato does not want the reader to agree with him. For a more obvious example of this, read Plato's Symposium. It is a collection of arguments on the topic of love by various characters, concluding with Socrates. Then another character enters and gives a speech about Socrates himself. The reason I bring this up is, the basic reading of this book is that Socrates is Plato's voice, and that his refutations of the other descriptions of love make his own correct. The thing is, Plato very intentionally makes a number of Socrates' arguments logically unsound and unable to stand even mild criticism. I think most people miss this because they are trying to hard just to understand the obscure language of the forms; they read too quickly and don't actually argue with Socrates. The two key points that I base my reading off of are the speech about Socrates by Alcibiades who enters at the end, and one line said by Socrates that reads "No one can question the truth, any one can question Socrates." Alcibiades enters and speaks about Socrates' virtue, but shows by example that two of Socrates' most important assumptions about human nature are untrue. I don't want to give any more away because I think you should read it yourself and then tell me if I am stupid.
(to be continued)

>> No.4294950

>>4292792
Your hands look identical to mine, holy shit
I was tested for Marfan's syndrome because of how stretched my arms and fingers were. Maybe you should too

>> No.4294954

>>4293355
>turning your boyfriend into a goytoy
well, I hope you're at least a hot jewess.

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>tfw I'm a fascist/natsoc misogynist who is dating a leftist jewish girl who dominates me every night

GOD BLESS COLLEGE

>> No.4294970

>>4294935
(continued)
See, I think that most of Plato's work around the time of the Symposium (the middle dialogues) were basically glorified advertisements for his academy. The conclusions didn't matter; it was the style of argumentation that was important. Kind of giving prospective students a taste of elenchus. Symposium should be read like an instruction manual of thought, not as a series of speeches about love. I will admit to you right now that this is by no means the popular way to read Plato, but I think that the hypothesis is heavily supported by the text. I could go on, but I don't want to leave you with a wall of text.
The Republic is a different (and much more complicated) story.
>>4293163
This guy's got it right.

>>4293605
>>4294950
Also, my hand looks weird because I'm missing a finger. I don't have Marfan's, my pointer finger actually has two fingers inside of it.

>> No.4294978

>>4294966
I wish I was you.

>> No.4294991

I have a notebook for quotes and the rest of the stuff

>> No.4294995

I find myself highlighting a lot of key sentences in Adorno's work to understand what the fucking convoluted bastard is going on about.

>> No.4295307

>>4294966
I don't understand in any way where this comes from