/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4292073]

>tfw no pretentious /lit/ gf with which to debate philosophy and have a whirlwind romance

[Anonymous No.4292085]

>he thinks girls have a capacity for philosophy

A girls idea of talking philosophy is talking about what happens after you die or whether ghosts exist because she saw something weird in a forest once.

[Anonymous No.4292090]

>>4292073
>with which
whom. it's not going to be much of a whirlwind if you don't proof read

[Anonymous No.4292092]

>>4292085
that sure as hell ain't what my ex talked about

[Anonymous No.4292088]

>>4292085
>girls
>going into the woods

lel

[Anonymous No.4292096]

>girls
>philosophy or anything that requires some degree of autistic specialisation and dedication

The best you'll ever get is a girl whose brain broke so that she went out and became a grad student in literature and she's super fucking wicked good at one tiny little thing, like she's a total goddamn expert on female protagonists in 19th century English literature or whatever. And maybe she's really good at English lit in general too. But if you are good at it too, prepare to be awed by the lack of originality and "spark" behind all the artifice.

[Anonymous No.4292101]

>>4292090
Oh shit you got me.

Better hurry up and kill myself

[Anonymous No.4292109]

>tfw no schizo gf who throws packs of money into the fire and marries other schizos because she thinks she's not good enough for you

[Anonymous No.4292106]

>>4292090
>implying women aren't property.

[Anonymous No.4292110]

just go to any liberal arts school/brooklyn/LA/chicago there are literally thousands of pretty, intelligent, well dressed, well read women. it's really that simple.

[Anonymous No.4292118]

>talk to girl about Heidi and Soren
>she seems interested
>spend a few late nights reading poetry with her and sharing great music
>have sex and we both have a good time
>try to hang out with her again one-on-one and get flaked on
>don't even really care too much about sex anymore, just want to go back to those nights when we read anne sexton and i wanted to reach out and kiss her every minute

[Anonymous No.4292124]

>>4292109
STOP STALKING ME
>>4292106
>implying jews don't run the world and utopia will not see sparkling wine run through the water table
lrn2 cuckoldry

[Anonymous No.4292126]

>>4292085
>personal experience
>extrapolating to all humankind
nonsense

[Anonymous No.4292133]

>>4292124
>STOP STALKING ME
Said every woman in the book.

[Anonymous No.4292130]

>>4292126
>>extrapolating to all humankind

>implying the girls I know aren't human

[Anonymous No.4292129]

>>4292124
I am a jew. I love not having to work hard and having all these built-in connections in a language none of you speak.

[Anonymous No.4292137]

>mfw when a woman tries to philosophize

[Anonymous No.4292142]

>>4292129
אני מצטערת *cckldry

[Anonymous No.4292146]

>>4292110

What if I live in rural Wisconsin and can only afford shit tier state school?

[Anonymous No.4292156]

Who are some significant female philosophers besides Arendt, Simone de Beauvoir, and Judith Butler?

[Anonymous No.4292158]

>>4292142
>אני מצטערת
Sorry about what?

[Anonymous No.4292161]

>>4292146
Prostitute yourself.

[Anonymous No.4292167]

>>4292110
>LA instead of Berkeley/SF
>mention locations of art schools but forgot rhode island, boston,
>mention locations of liberal arts schools and forgot portland

[Anonymous No.4292166]

>>4292085
>what happens after you die
One of the most important and long lasting philosophical questions in History.

>whether ghosts exist
If you interpret this as ''whether souls exist'', it's the same as the above.

[Anonymous No.4292163]

>>4292156

Ayn Rand

[Anonymous No.4292165]

>>4292073

I've had that before. twice. each time was awful in retrospect. one was a solid 9/10 (beautiful face and INCREDIBLE hips/ass)- knew heidegger like the back of her hand. great sex. Funny enough, despite how 'brilliant' both claimed to be, they were probably the most shallow humans I had ever met. They constantly judged people they viewed as lesser than them. they both /hated/ poor people and would make fun of the homeless. not worth it.

[Anonymous No.4292171]

>>4292156
Wollstonecraft's more of a throwback but pretty important. Murdoch if you want something more recent.
>>4292158
Vwls XD

[Anonymous No.4292181]

>>4292166
>One of the most important and long lasting philosophical questions in History.
>Ghosts are important cuz Souls


important in 14th Century.
And it's important for layman who don't know any philosophy.

Philosophers don't talk about such shit anymore, go to /x/ for that

[Anonymous No.4292184]

>>4292085
>A girls idea of talking philosophy is talking about what what her horoscope predicted for her, and how sometimes she isn't sure if its true

fixd

[Anonymous No.4292187]

>>4292156
Oh yeah, Julia Kristeva should be there too.

[Anonymous No.4292189]

>>4292165

[Anonymous No.4292193]

>>4292181
But they do.
I'm a philosophy major. We discussed ghosts in class.

[Anonymous No.4292198]

>>4292167
>Berkeley
>attractive AND intelligent women

Woah boy, I've been here for almost 4 years and I haven't met for than handful of those. All the women I've met from UCSC have been qt's and cool though.

[Anonymous No.4292206]

>>4292096
>a total goddamn expert on female protagonists in 19th century English literature or whatever. And maybe she's really good at English lit in general too
that seems more than enough for great conversations

[Anonymous No.4292210]

>>4292189
>implying the well read people don't do that
That's what being pretentious means, not making weird art like 4chan seems to think.

[Anonymous No.4292214]

>>4292206
if you're a dilettante sure

[Anonymous No.4292218]

>>4292193
>I'm a philosophy major. We discussed ghosts in class.
>Phil 101 class
>u can't no nuffin, maybe ghosts are like, real, bro

This is still layman tier.

Which philosopher has written a treaties on ghosts? Was it Kant or Russell?

[Anonymous No.4292219]

>be a STEM major
>go to a shitty scool
>no girls in my classes and everyone is uncultured plebeians

[Anonymous No.4292221]

>>4292210
>4chan
>not about making weird art
>well read
someone told you terrible lies anon

[Anonymous No.4292222]

>>4292118
>>try to hang out with her again one-on-one and get flaked on
>>have sex and "we both" have a good time
you really do not see the problem?

[Anonymous No.4292223]

>>4292096
My (former) best friend dedicated her Lit career to studying gynecological references in Victorian Literature. Nothing else.

[Anonymous No.4292225]

>>4292218
>Which philosopher has written a treaties on ghosts?
Don't fucking summon them.

[Anonymous No.4292227]

>>4292130
>implying that was ever implied
>implying you know how to interpret simple sentences

[Anonymous No.4292226]

>>4292167
Let us never speak of Reed again.

[Anonymous No.4292230]

>>4292221
>you
>reading comprehension
We were both tricked!

[Anonymous No.4292231]

>>4292165
>Funny enough, despite how 'brilliant' both claimed to be, they were probably the most shallow humans I had ever met.
Funny enough that's not funny enough because those two don't contradict each other

[Anonymous No.4292234]

>>4292230
epic quote. voltaire?

[Anonymous No.4292239]

wow /lit/'s front page is such /r9k/ right now

[Anonymous No.4292244]

>>4292214
but the woman you described was an expert in a field and very well versed in another, very ample one.
you do know what a dilettante is, don't you...?

[Anonymous No.4292245]

>>4292234
Humbert humbert

[Anonymous No.4292254]

>>4292244
YOU'RE a dilettante for being content with a girl who can regurgitate her undergrad surveys of english lit and give you extremely minute information on some meaningless sliver of a sliver of a field

anyone (male) who isn't a dilettante will be bored by her, because by necessity their not being a dilettante means they are capable of seeing how soulless all her shit really is

that's women, they just dabble, and even when they don't it's still lazy fakery

[Anonymous No.4292256]

>>4292219
>be a STEM major
>go to shitty scool
>so shitty it doesn't even have an h in it
>no girls in my classes
>a dude in all my classes showers ones a month and keeps shouting buzzwords on the hallway while carrying a porn magazine under his arm
>fml

[Anonymous No.4292262]

>>4292221
how embarrassing to have such poor reading comprehension in a /lit/ forum. good thing you're anonymous

[Anonymous No.4292271]

>>4292223
well, that could actually be very enlightening about how femininity was seen during the time (besides the obvious and more ample desire of keeping sexuality as a whole veiled)

[Anonymous No.4292272]

Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever, and the reason for this is, I think, as follows. Man strives in everything for a direct domination over things, either by comprehending or by subduing them. But woman is everywhere and always relegated to a merely indirect domination, which is achieved by means of man, who is consequently the only thing she has to dominate directly. Thus it lies in the nature of women to regard everything simply as a means of capturing a man, and their interest in anything else is only simulated, is no more than a detour, i.e. amounts to coquetry and mimicry.

[Anonymous No.4292278]

>>4292272
Nor can one expect anything else from women if one considers that the most eminent heads of the entire sex have proved incapable of a single truly great, genuine and original achievement in art, or indeed of creating anything at all of lasting value: this strikes one most forcibly in regard to painting, since they are just as capable of mastering its technique as we are, and indeed paint very busily, yet cannot point to a single great painting; the reason being precisely that they lack all objectivity of mind, which is what painting demands above all else. Isolated and partial exceptions do not alter the case: women, taken as a whole, are and remain thorough and incurable philistines: so that, with the extremely absurd arrangement by which they share the rank and title of their husband, they are a continual spur to his ignoble ambitions. They are sexus sequior, the inferior second sex in every respect: one should be indulgent toward their weaknesses, but to pay them honour is ridiculous beyond measure and demeans us even in their eyes.

[Anonymous No.4292280]

>>4292256
>keeps shouting buzzwords on the hallway
wut

[Anonymous No.4292283]

>>4292254
>regurgitate
but the interest is not in the regurgitation skills. it's in the connections that can be drawn from all that specialized information. do you think vague information is more useful than extremely minute one in some way?

[Anonymous No.4292286]

>>4292278
Lel pretty much hits the mark

[Anonymous No.4292294]

>>4292278
The fundamental defect of the female character is a lack of a sense of justice. This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflexion but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning: hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell lies: for, as nature has equipped the lion with claws and teeth, the elephant with tusks, the wild boar with fangs, the bull with horns and the cuttlefish with ink, so it has equipped woman with the power of dissimulation as her means of attack and defence, and has transformed into this gift all the strength it has bestowed on man in the form of physical strength and the power of reasoning. Dissimulation is thus inborn in her and consequently to be found in the stupid woman almost as often as in the clever one. To make use of it at every opportunity is as natural to her as it is for an animal to employ its means of defence whenever it is attacked, and when she does so she feels that to some extent she is only exercising her rights. A completely truthful woman who does not practice dissimulation is perhaps an impossibility, which is why women see through the dissimulation of others so easily it is inadvisable to attempt it with them. – But this fundamental defect which I have said they possess, together with all that is associated with it, gives rise to falsity, unfaithfulness, treachery, ingratitude, etc. Women are guilty of perjury far more often than men. It is questionable whether they ought to be allowed to take an oath at all.

[Anonymous No.4292295]

>>4292294
One needs only to see the way she is built to realize that woman is not intended for great mental or for great physical labor. She expiates the guilt of life not through activity but through suffering, through the pains of childbirth, caring for the child and subjection to the man, to whom she should be a patient and cheering companion. Great suffering, joy, exertion, is not for her: her life should flow by more quietly, trivially, gently than the man's without being essentially happier or unhappier.

Women are suited to being the nurses and teachers of our earliest childhood precisely because they themselves are childish, silly and short-sighted, in a word big children, their whole lives long: a kind of intermediate stage between the child and the man, who is the actual human being, ‘man.’ One has only to watch a girl playing with a child, dancing and singing with it the whole day, and then ask oneself what, with the best will in the world, a man could do in her place.

[Anonymous No.4292300]

>>4292295
In the girl nature has had in view what could in theatrical terms be called a stage-effect: it has provided her with superabundant beauty and charm for a few years at the expense of the whole remainder of her life, so that during these years she may so capture the imagination of a man that he is carried away into undertaking to support her honorably in some form or another for the rest of her life, a step he would seem hardly likely to take for purely rational considerations. Thus nature has equipped women, as it has all its creatures, with the tools and weapons she needs for securing her existence, and at just the time she needs them; in doing which nature has acted with its usual economy. For just as the female ant loses its wings after mating, since they are then superfluous, indeed harmful to the business of raising the family, so the woman usually loses her beauty after one or two childbeds, and probably for the same reason.

[Anonymous No.4292304]

>>4292137
im cringing right now if that book was written past 1950

[Anonymous No.4292306]

i get that american teenagers have just come home from classes/after school activities but pls stop this /r9k/ kekery
next you're going to tell me that James Buchanon is your idol and that you will accomplish great things as a lifelong wizard

[Anonymous No.4292307]

>>4292272
>what are gold diggers

[Anonymous No.4292311]

>>4292304

Why?

[Anonymous No.4292310]

>>4292306
>this attempt at shaming

pathetic

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.4292314]

>>4292165
>shallow

Judging everyone and laughing at poor people is shallow, now?

also

>2013
>not making fun of the homeless

[Anonymous No.4292321]

>>4292310
>thinks i was attempting to shame or prosecute rather than parody actual /r9k/ rhetoric

[Anonymous No.4292326]

>>4292321
>this i wasn't meta baiting

[Anonymous No.4292344]

>>4292294
>>4292295
>>4292300
Now, when two men are put into competition, or a man with a woman, both possessed of every mental quality in equal perfection, save that one has higher energy, perseverance, and courage, the latter will generally become more eminent in every pursuit, and will gain the ascendancy.* He may be said to possess genius- for genius has been declared by a great authority to be patience; and patience, in this sense, means unflinching, undaunted perseverance. But this view of genius is perhaps deficient; for without the higher powers of the imagination and reason, no eminent success can be gained in many subjects. These latter faculties, as well as the former, will have been developed in man, partly through sexual selection,- that is, through the contest of rival males, and partly through natural selection, that is, from success in the general struggle for life; and as in both cases the struggle will have been during maturity, the characters gained will have been transmitted more fully to the male than to the female offspring. It accords in a striking manner with this view of the modification and re-inforcement of many of our mental faculties by sexual selection, that, firstly, they notoriously undergo a considerable change at puberty,*(2) and, secondly, that eunuchs remain throughout life inferior in these same qualities. Thus, man has ultimately become superior to woman. It is, indeed, fortunate that the law of the equal transmission of characters to both sexes prevails
with mammals; otherwise, it is probable that man would have become as superior in mental endowment to woman, as the peacock is in ornamental plumage to the peahen.

[Anonymous No.4292355]

>>4292300
>>4292344
The problem with his statement and even racism is, most people suck, most people are stupid, most people are unreflective, most people will not be in the history books.

How can you talk about whose race or gender is better if most people suck.The big problem is we read histories of these exceptional people think they societies were anything like them.Throughout history there were millions of philosophers, millions of scientist, millions of political leaders, millions of writers, millions of painters, and of course billions of people with jobs that don't even exist.

if lottery winners where all woman would we assume us men couldn't play the game?

[Anonymous No.4292364]

>>4292355
>if lottery winners where all woman would we assume us men couldn't play the game?
you're opposing a game of luck to a capacity game

[Anonymous No.4292373]

>>4292218
You rang?

[Anonymous No.4292377]

>>4292364

I was just looking at the numbers. being a person in the right settings to create lasting change is the world is like hitting the lottery.

[Anonymous No.4292382]

>>4292377
>I was just looking at the numbers. being a person in the right settings to create lasting change is the world is like hitting the lottery.
i don't see how. even if the numbers can be argued as similar, the dynamic is different

[Anonymous No.4292388]

>>4292382
okay it was a shitty metaphor.

[Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ No.4292712]

>>4292073
>Debate philosophy
>Have a whirlwind romance

[Anonymous No.4292750]

>>4292712

[Anonymous No.4292764]

ITT: Butthurt Virgins

[Anonymous No.4292822]

>>4292073

>gf is a slightly manic girl with strange hair
>and is responsible for getting me out of depression
>and loves philosophy

i am become cliche

[Anonymous No.4292827]

>>4292822
you have my envy

[Anonymous No.4292880]

>>4292764

Shut up, woman.

[Anonymous No.4292906]

>>4292129

How do I acquire jewess? I wish to learn the methods of le happy merchant.

[Anonymous No.4292915]

>>4292096
Let me add a couple of figures:

>The girl with only snark. She thinks she knows everything and when you mention something she hasn't read she only replies with contempt and a sarcastic laughter. Eg. "Ha! You can't just quote Heidegger!" "Why note?" "Heidegger seriously?" "Have you read him?" "Well you can't quote him and expect people to just let it go."

>The girl that talks only in sibylline sentences and half references to her daily life without ever explaining what she means. Eg. "I lived my life to this point thinking I was a certain person, but today I realized I would never be that person...I wish I could have become the person it seems I would have become while I was in my mother's womb" "What kind of person did you think you were?" "Never mind, I don't feel like talking about it."

>The girl that takes any suggestion as a personal offense. Eg. "Ah you are reading Dante? I really liked the book that Auerbach wrote on him...you should check it out if you can" "Why? Don't you think I know who Auerbach is?"