/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4286469]

ITT: You post your face when history is considered a niche or quaint study and not the cornerstone of any examination of the human condition

How have we fallen so far?

[Anonymous No.4286472]

I would, but I'm on my mobile device (:

[Anonymous No.4286508]

>>4286472
Technology does not mold the man

[Anonymous No.4286692]

[Anonymous No.4286700]

[Anonymous No.4286722]

>Not being a historical materialist

[Anonymous No.4286740]

>tfw people in your history courses through college call history
>Garbage
>stupid
>pointless
>a bunch of nonsense
>nothing of value
>something no one cares about
>uninteresting

Literally almost walked out after arguing with this one woman once. She had this idea that history had no value.

[Anonymous No.4286785]

> mfw I couldn't give two shits about what stupid plebs think about the importance of history

[Anonymous No.4286796]

>>4286469

>tfw those who don't listen in high school history are doomed to repeat it in college

[Anonymous No.4287038]

>>4286785
what the fuck did you say about history? i'll make war on you pleb and state the obvious: you don't know shit.

[Anonymous No.4287054]

Are you faggots behind Carr or Marwick? Empiricism? Structural history or narrative? Come on let's get some discussion going

[Anonymous No.4287060]

>>4287054
I'm into Frank Fukayima ;)

[Anonymous No.4287077]

>>4287038
I tear through plebs like a chicken sandwich

[Anonymous No.4288647]

>>4287060
Get out.

>>4287054
As long as it isn't postmodernism attempting to spread its bullshit about history c. 1990s, I'm good.

Still think a lot of Carr stands up though. Not as familiar with Marwick doe.

[Anonymous No.4288683]

[Anonymous No.4288766]

It's like that TV clip, when Thatcher toured a British University on camera. A girl said she was studying Norse Literature and History and Thatcher said "oh, what a luxury!"

[Anonymous No.4288776]

[Anonymous No.4290738]

>>4288776
>implying you can change the future without an awareness of past precedent

[Anonymous No.4290757]

>>4286469
I don't know.

[Anonymous No.4290769]

>>4290738
>implying you're supposed to reply to Jaden Smith

Just bask in the wisdom.

[Anonymous No.4290778]

History is important, but niche academic history isn't unless you're a history professor in that niche field.

I don't think anyone believes that an understanding of history isn't important for basic education, but the value of getting a bachelor's/masters in history certainly is a point of debate (unless you're going into academic research).

[Anonymous No.4290783]

What I really want to know is how did the disciplines become so isolated? Whatever happened to learning history, literature, philosophy, science, political science etc as one inseparable discipline called "education?"

Hypothesis: Textbooks replaced source materials.

[Anonymous No.4290786]

>>4290738
Jaden's just sick of his dad's history lessons. You can only hear about evil alien dictators and volcano thetans so many times before you get bitter.

[Anonymous No.4290804]

>>4286469
but OP, history is just a bunch of stuff that's already happened.

[Anonymous No.4290814]

Because Americanism and late capitalism have shrouded the rootedness of the human condition with lies of freedom and the end of history.

Even Europe is losing its connection to the past. The rise of new populist Fascism on the old continent is symptomatic of this.

This is the face of the enemy.

[Anonymous No.4290847]

>>4290783
It would be interesting to have a single curriculum that just included the most important books of humanity in chronological order or something. Like start with the Epic of Gilgamesh and just hit all the highlights on the way to the modern day. It would probably have to be pretty selective but could be interesting. I bet /lit/ could create a list.

[Anonymous No.4290900]

>>4290814
This is true, although hasn't Fukuyama since moderated pretty much all of his opinions?

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[Anonymous No.4290919]

>>4290778
But 'general' history (whatever that might be) is established by academic history.

Without the machinations of journals, archaeological work, and those niche theses and areas of study, you wouldn't have a 'general' history to work from.

[Anonymous No.4290928]

>>4290814
Militarism, fascism, colonialism and capitalism is the face of europe, where the fuck have you been?

[Anonymous No.4290935]

>>4290928
Anon is saying the rise of neo-Fascism is European society's attempt to reconnect with its past. Hence it being symptomatic.

[Anonymous No.4290943]

>>4290814
>enemy having a face
1984 was 30 years ago gramps.

[Anonymous No.4290948]

POST YOUR FACE WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT PEOPLE DONT THINK YOUR PARTICULAR FIELD OF STUDY IS THE BEST THING EVER

PIC RELATED, IT IS MY FACE WHEN BIOCHEMISTS DONT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN MARXIST INTERPRETATION OF CLASS WARFARE WHEN THEY STUDY PROTEINS

[Anonymous No.4290968]

I don't understand why people would go to school for literature/history when you could learn a harder science, get a better job, and spend your spare time reading.

History is important knowledge for a person to have but formal education in it is unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.4290982]

>>4290948
THIS IS MY FACE WHEN SOCIAL WORKERS AND WHITE COLLARS DON'T CARE THAT I HAVE MAJORED IN CARTOGRAPHY AND CAN SKETCH A MAP OF AN ISLAND JUST BY LOOKING AT IT FROM A BOAT AND SQUINTING MY EYES REAL HARD

[Anonymous No.4290983]

>>4290928
Militarism, fascism, colonialism and capitalism is the face of humanity
Militarism, fascism, colonialism and capitalism are not ideologies but descriptions of herd behaviour
>but, europes military expansionism was obviously caused by a synergy between 14th century scholastic theology and the phalification of society, this led to the expression of the archetype of the hero in the unconscious that bla bla bla
or maybe group of primates encounters new ecosystem, they climb to the top of the food chain taking advantage of the fact that they are the most evolved predator:the movie: the book: the neverending story

[Anonymous No.4290989]

>>4290982
why is that useful though

[Anonymous No.4291000]

>>4290948
>>4290982
What. A. Faggot. My degree is in Biology major and I agree 100% with OP.

[Anonymous No.4291001]

>>4290989
>durrrr why are maps useful herr herr herrr
white collar detected

[Anonymous No.4291009]

>>4290968
I suppose you think all academic historians should be amateurs who simply rely on their honest enthusiasm for the subject to further it as a disciplinary field.

[Anonymous No.4291008]

>>4291000
>What. A. Faggot.
>A
it's not only one

[Anonymous No.4291026]

>>4291008
I was assuming samefag for those two posts

[Anonymous No.4291034]

>>4290948
>2013
>Not realizing that philosophy and science are interconnected

[Anonymous No.4291055]

>>4291026
He means you. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.4291099]

>>4291009
I guess not. You're right. But I would still argue that is is a smaller niche (based on no evidence). We probably don't need as many historians as programmers/engineers/technicians, but we do need some.

[Anonymous No.4291105]

>>4291099
also I meant that I am arguing that based on no evidence not that history has no evidence

[Anonymous No.4291131]

>>4290900
Thankfully, yes. I'm not too familiar with his newer work, though.

[Anonymous No.4291136]

>>4290847
The Great Books of the Western World makes a valiant albeit philosophic-eurocentric attempt.

[Anonymous No.4291137]

>>4291034
>2014-1
>not realizing they aren't

[Anonymous No.4291145]

>>4291136
I would expect something called The Great Books of the Western World to be a tad eurocentric

[Anonymous No.4291152]

>>4291145
I'm not criticizing them for it, just observing the limitations of the project.

[Anonymous No.4291161]

>>4291099
You're implying that everyone who takes a history degree seeks to become a professional historian.

[Anonymous No.4291187]

>2011+2
>thinks discussing events is valuable