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[Anonymous No.4266228]

Daily reminder that Christ was a pacifist and that salvation is earned through works.

[Anonymous No.4266241]

>Sell your purse and buy a sword
>pacifism

[Anonymous No.4266247]

>>4266241
>last supper
>guys, i'm gonna die, i'm scared
>lets get swords
>let this cup pass from me
>sweating blood
>accepts it
>guards come to arrest
>put your sword away, those who live by the sword die by the sword
wow it's almost like character development or something

[Anonymous No.4266248]

You can't be a christian while paying taxes.

[Anonymous No.4266251]

>>4266248
Render unto Caesar bro

[Anonymous No.4266253]

>>4266248
>render unto caesar what is caesar's, render unto me what is mine

[Anonymous No.4266263]

>>4266251
>implying that isn't Jesus saying "Romans need to get the fuck off my lawn"

[Anonymous No.4266264]

>>4266251
>>4266253
That has to do with idolatry, though.

[Anonymous No.4266276]

>>4266263
>>4266264
>17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
>18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
>19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
>20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
>21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
>22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

Go to bed revisionist scum

[Anonymous No.4266343]

>>4266253
>>4266251

>Jesus evaded the direct question put to him because it was a trap. He was in no way bound to answer it. He therefore asked to see the coin for taxes. And then said with withering scorn, "How can you who traffic in Caesar's coins and thus receive what to you are benefits of Caesar's rule refuse to pay taxes?" Jesus' whole preaching and practice point unmistakably to noncooperation, which necessarily includes nonpayment of taxes.

[Anonymous No.4266352]

>>4266343
>quoting a political spin of a pretty straightforward biblical passage from a guy who wasn't even Christian

go to bed

[Anonymous No.4266353]

>>4266251
>>4266253

If he hadn't said that, he'd have been dead like all the other try-hard Messiahs who were slaughtered for trying to incite more open rebellion.

[Anonymous No.4266387]

>>4266353

Which is why he wasn't crucified? Oh wait...

[Anonymous No.4266391]

>>4266353
This. The line between pacifist and spineless is pretty thin, and Jesus is on both sides.

[Anonymous No.4266394]

>>4266353
You mean like how he told his disciples to buy only two swords, not enough to defend themselves but enough to make them look militant, so that he would be taken away and crucified?

[Anonymous No.4266404]

>>4266352
It's pretty much the same as what Tolstoy would have said.

[Anonymous No.4266408]

>>4266391
>The line between pacifist and spineless is pretty thin

No, it really isn't. One is a principled opposition to violence to others, the other is avoiding harm to one's self.

[Anonymous No.4266418]

Pol please go.

[Anonymous No.4266421]

>>4266387

that was much later and pretty much just concerned him. His followers, however, in which they had no power, no strength and were completely at the mercy, where ever, they went of the Roman governors and their puppet rulers. If they had said or done anything that was too openly defiant of Roman authority or the authority of the Herodians, the centurions would have slaughtered every last one of them which they had done before when other "Messiahs" came around. Notice that Jesus for a good period of time, advises people not to tell others what they've seen him do or tell anyone who he is, not until the time gets closer to his crucifixion.

The question about taxes was a trick in order to get Jesus to say something that made it look like he was telling people the Romans were illegitimate or like he was inciting rebellion, so they could tell the Roman authorities and have his whole flock killed or imprisoned.

[Anonymous No.4266427]

go to sleep winthrop

seriously though, grace > works anyday

[Anonymous No.4266431]

>>4266352
>being upset that you didn't see the obvious meaning because your society taught you an incorrect meaning

[Anonymous No.4266434]

>>4266391
Pacifists don't reject violence because they care too much for themselves. They reject violence because they care too much for others.
Christ died in accordance with his principle of nonresistance. It's a relatively recent (Protestant) distortion that it was to appease God/hell/whatever.

[Anonymous No.4266436]

>>4266276
You realize this doesn't prove your point, right?

[Anonymous No.4266444]

>>4266427
>“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
>“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
You can believe in your Pauline obscurantisms, I'll believe in the words of Christ.

[Anonymous No.4266459]

jesus was most likely a narcissistic sociopath

http://samvak.tripod.com/journal79.html

[Anonymous No.4266460]

>>4266421

He's actually crucified within like a week for the rabble he caused in part by making that statement. He goes to The Temple and starts flipping shit and then he's questioned by the jewishleadership. The leadership have him killed for this confrontation.

[Anonymous No.4266466]

>>4266459
>http://samvak.tripod.com/journal79.html

Yeah, so? Greatness is an illness to modern man.

[Anonymous No.4266467]

>>4266459
thanks scaruffi

[Anonymous No.4266484]

>>4266460
>He's actually crucified within like a week for the rabble he caused in part by making that statement.

My understanding is that he's taken in for his growing popularity. But I digress, the problem with all this is that the four gospels show four different perceptions of Jesus tailored to four different types of early Christian audiences, not just of his nature, but his human character and so it's difficult to ascertain some of his politics. They've all just been edited together to feel more harmonious even though some of the differences are still there. Matthew's Jesus is much more of a Jewish prophetic figure, while Luke's is much more anti-Jewish. John focuses on Jesus as the incarnation. Mark's is somewhere in the middle of all these.

[Anonymous No.4266515]

>>4266484

Well the historical view is that he is reported to Pilate for rabble rousing after he goes to The Goddamn Temple (not just a temple, the center of the Jewish world) and starts making claims about how it is being run improperly and how the leadership are hacks during the holiest of weeks. PiIate was notorious for not giving a fuck and sending people to death.

[Anonymous No.4266535]

>>4266353
Yeah, Jesus sure seems like the type of guy who wasn't willing to die for his beliefs.

[Anonymous No.4266542]

>>4266418
What the fuck does this have to do with /pol/?

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.4266543]

>>4266436
You realize it does, right?

[Anonymous No.4266566]

>>4266263
No, it has to do with decreeing the precedent for Christians to live peacefully with government and helps to establish a tradition of secularism throughout the Christian world.

[Anonymous No.4266598]

Daily reminder that the rabbi Joshua of Nazareth never existed and was invented by the Emperor Titus Flavius, Caesar, Son of God, and all around nice guy.

[Anonymous No.4266672]

>>4266228


It's all ridiculous. From the outer mysteries of "Did historical jesus person who walked around approve of taxes?" to the whole inner mysteries "Is the father cosubstantial with the son, and is Christ merely a personification of an eternal deity who has existed since before the universe?" to the wishy-washy "It's all just a metaphor for self-sacrifice that everyone should practice for their community, duh!"

I mean, can we all agree to stop killing each other, work towards the success of the human race in the universe, and bugger the nitpicky dogma? Is that so hard?

[Anonymous No.4266956]

>>4266535

There's a time and place for him to die and he has an image to be concerned about.

[Anonymous No.4266958]

>>4266515
>>4266515

right, but if we're examining a Christian understanding of politics based on the teachings of Jesus as related in the four gospel, we need to remember that each gospel portrays a different Jesus of a different character, especially in his relation to the Jews and the Gentiles, which Jesus Christians I think take more to heart I think shapes their political views.

[Anonymous No.4267073]

The real Jesus was much more badass than people think. There are some hints left in the bible, like the scene where he flogs the merchants in the temple.

[Anonymous No.4267103]

>>4266276

It is rhetorical anaphora specifically designed to emphasize the importance of God over irrelevant pittances such as taxes. "Give Caesar what belongs to him [which pales in comparison to what belongs to me]." Where your worship goes is more important than where your money goes.

[Anonymous No.4267113]

>>4266228
Daily reminder that Zalmoxis is the only true god. Pls send monies to the shrine of Zalmoxies to wipe out Rome and colonise space with naked axe wielding Romanians.

[Anonymous No.4267122]

>>4267113
>the shrine of Zalmoxis
i already pay them by by buying the cheapest moldavian vine. before i drink it I laugh a lot for the case of a lethal dose of poison.
to say, the christian church is the zalmoxis cult. that's where plato got the soul vs. body which is central to hellenism and thus to j.süss and the church.

[Anonymous No.4267124]

>>4266228

Pelagius?

[Anonymous No.4267126]

>>4267122
>the_patriarch_of_bucarest

Lol'd

[Anonymous No.4267129]

Jesus was in very many respects, like Nietzsche.

edge2000

[Anonymous No.4267130]

>>4267113
You joke, but the western world is collapsing because we don't have enough shrines to Zalmoxies. Mark my words, he is pissed.

[Anonymous No.4267138]

>>4267073
And where did you get the rest?

[Anonymous No.4267144]

>>4267130
The world is ruled by crypto-Zalmoxians. All the wars are fought to send ambassadors to our lord in heavens.
Note how the dead are celebrated and how the veterans are shunned. That's because they are bad. Zalmoxis doesn't want the bad.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbduBMbHTXE&feature=youtu.be&t=53m

[Anonymous No.4267149]

>>4267144
>Note how the dead are celebrated and how the veterans are shunned

Dacians Vs Spartans would be a battle where only one man is left standing.

[Anonymous No.4267150]

>>4267138
hinting on the infancy gospels i guess.

[Anonymous No.4267159]

wait, you guys arent even romanians? just where did you get this zalmoxis stuff?

[Anonymous No.4267163]

>>4267159
You don't get Zalmoxies. Zalmoxies gets you.

[Anonymous No.4267325]

Fun fact, zalmoxis was just a philosopher, he was elevated to God status because of his teachings, particularly immortality to to Getae.

[Anonymous No.4267333]

>>4266228
Daily reminder that Islam is superior and is the only religion with the potential of becoming a worldwide one.

[Anonymous No.4267341]

>>4267333
You're in the wrong neighbourhood friend.

Zalmoxis would not be pleased.

[Anonymous No.4267348]

lol @ all these christians who get butthurt when you point out they can't be a christian while living within society

if you're a christian, basically all you can do is prepare yourself to be martyred so you can get into the kingdom of god

[Anonymous No.4267366]

>>4267348
Pretty much. Christianity only survived in so far as it has been willing to act unchristian. It's a religion with ideals and values incompatible with the world. Where Judaism and Islam are compatible with a wordly life Christianity isn't at all.

[Anonymous No.4267371]

>>4267325
He was Jesus before there was Jesus pretty much.

[Anonymous No.4267375]

>>4267366
>Where Judaism and Islam are compatible with a wordly life Christianity isn't at all.

Which is exactly why Christianity is a legitimate religion and those two aren't.

[Anonymous No.4267389]

>>4267375

nihilist other-worldly seeker get out

[Anonymous No.4267392]

>>4266343
>"How can you who traffic in Caesar's coins..."
So if it points to nonpayment of taxes, it also points to not having any money to pay with in the first place. Jesus as a primitive anarchist. Cool.

I mean, it makes sense: insofar as you make money, you are indebted to the people who create the money and the whole system within which you trade and stuff. If you don't want to have to pay them, then get the fuck out—and really, you should be getting away from their nonsense to begin with.

[Anonymous No.4267396]

>>4267392

Exactly. Maybe we should all just drop out of society and die.

[Anonymous No.4267397]

>>4266228
Haven't read the thread so I don't know if it's been mentioned, but I can't really identify a pacifist with Jesus' reaction to merchants setting up shop in the temple. He's fine as long as you don't piss him off. God help you if you do though.

[Anonymous No.4267399]

>>4267397

But then you have to explain the sermon on the mount

[Anonymous No.4267401]

>>4266228

>salvation is earned

Incorrect my feather friend, salvation can only be achieved by God's grace alone, one cannot "earn" or "deserve" it.

[Anonymous No.4267419]

>>4267371
he was the romanian jesus. it's like being a chinese smartphone. or an american car. who cares if the americans invented cars? their cars are shit.

[Anonymous No.4267466]

>>4267419
My statement had no implication. It does not matter, it just is.

Interestingly though, before WW1 the Germans were reputed to only produce shit (kind of like China now) look how that issue got straightened out. So I'd wait a few more decades before Chinese products surpass all of the world In quality, not just in quantity. As for American cars, Mustangs are still the shit, even if they can't turn corners.

[Anonymous No.4267527]

>>4267375
>being this much of a nihilist slave moralist

[Anonymous No.4267614]

>>4266247
>those who live by the wood die by the wood

[Anonymous No.4267630]

>>4267614
Final words:
*Matthew and Mark:
>My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?
*Luke:
>Father, into your hands I commit my spirit
*John:
>It is finished

Dat shill in the final two, lql

[Anonymous No.4267632]

>>4267630
Accidental quote, fug

[Anonymous No.4267638]

>muh kosher orpheus cult

Star Kek.jpeg

[Anonymous No.4267645]

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

[Anonymous No.4267655]

[Anonymous No.4267658]

>>4267655
Meant for >>4267645

[Anonymous No.4267662]

>>4267645
Not only against life, but also against family and healthy values in general. Disgusting vulture.

[Anonymous No.4267699]

Daily reminder that Jesus is the projected ideals of various sects and creeds mangled through two thousand years of interpretation and reinterpretation and no single characterization of Christ shines from any individual gospel let alone all four together.

[Anonymous No.4267711]

>>4267699
Which holy book would be more consistent then?

[Anonymous No.4267716]

>>4267711
Infinite Jest.

[Anonymous No.4267729]

>>4267699
>implying the Holy Spirit doesn't guide the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church in interpreting the Scriptures so as to make an authoritative account of them.

[Anonymous No.4268012]

>>4267103
Which is why the statement "you can't be a Christian if you pay taxes" is false.

[Anonymous No.4268030]

>>4267711
The Gospel of Thomas

[Anonymous No.4268036]

>>4268030
>113) His disciples said to Him, "When will the Kingdom come?"
>Jesus said, "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

[Anonymous No.4268105]

>>4268030
Yes, Gospel of Thomas is delicious. Minimal, concise and it contains the essence of Christ's teachings.

[Anonymous No.4268121]

>>4266542
/pol/ is the new "shitposting" board to blame. Before /pol/ it was /v/, and before that it was /sp/ and various other boards as well.
>any time someone shitposts
>lol /v/ pls go
>lol /sp/ pls go
>lol reddit pls go
etc.

[Anonymous No.4268144]

ITT: pic related

turn away now

Oh, but captcha: Antioch ribtert

[Anonymous No.4268205]

>>4267113

>Zalmoxis
>the one true god

>not The Dagda

[Anonymous No.4268222]

>>4267699

Right, it seems like people throughout the centuries became enamored by the figure of Christ for whatever reason and then began to see their own reflection in the well. There are many interpretations of Jesus and people have generally picked the Jesus that reflects what they already believe and molding Jesus into that paradigm. Granted, this happens to some extent with any historical figure that people have come to admire. There will always be different interpretations of the character of certain prophets or kings of philosophers, but it seems to me like no one comes close to the scale of which Jesus is interpreted and has been interpreted for the last 2,000 years.

>>4268030

The Gospel of Thomas I think doesn't get enough credit. Some people try to write it off as 3rd century I think just to sweep it under the rug.

[Anonymous No.4268230]

>>4266598
Is that Titus Flavius Vespasianus, the Roman Emperor Titus; Titus Flavius Domitianus, the Roman Emperor Domitian; or Titus Flavius Sabinus Vespasianus, the Roman Emperor Vespasian? Please tell me.

[Anonymous No.4268246]

>>4266228
>salvation is earned through works.

>implying salvation can be earned

[Anonymous No.4268247]

>>4267716
testify.

[Anonymous No.4268302]

>>4266228

who's that edgy motherfucker in our lord and savior's shadow

[Anonymous No.4268355]

>>4268302
>that groupie crying when the child mentions jesus' penis size to her

[Anonymous No.4268370]

>>4268302
>not recognizing judas

[Anonymous No.4268372]

>>4268302
>that smug guy in the turban feeling euphoric
>yfw turbans weren't the fedoras of the first century

[Anonymous No.4268374]

>>4268372
*were

[Anonymous No.4268384]

>>4266228
>that satan trying to blend into the crowd bottom right

wow satan you sure don't stand out as the only person dressed in an allblack hooded robe you edgy dark brotherhood piece of shit

[Anonymous No.4268393]

>>4268370
>yfw judas was slav

[Anonymous No.4268456]

>>4268247
Jestify

[Anonymous No.4268913]

>>4268205
The Dagda? More like the 'Fagda' m I right goys. My god could beat your god anyday of the week boyo.

> yfw not much has changed in 2400 years. Religious politics is still the same as far as the lower and middle classes are concerned.

[Anonymous No.4268954]

didn't he use a whip on those guys selling sin pardons?

[Anonymous No.4268962]

>Daily reminder that Christ
i surely needed to be reminded about christ

[Anonymous No.4268983]

>>4268954

>any year
>simony

[Anonymous No.4270291]

>>4267073
>where he flogs the merchants in the temple.
> the merchants

[Anonymous No.4270293]

>>4267375
ding ding ding

Christianity is by far the greatest Abrahamic religion.

[Anonymous No.4270304]

7. Jesus said, "Lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. And foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human."

[Anonymous No.4270313]

Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."

And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"

Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."


holy fuck this stuff is good

[Anonymous No.4270325]

>>4270293
>a dualist religion that concludes the One True God couldn't make a good world
>better than a monist religion where the One True God made the world as a place to be inhabited and enjoyed

Nope.

[Anonymous No.4270331]

>>4270325
>a dualist religion that concludes the One True God couldn't make a good world
seriously, where have you heard any Christian argue this. God made a perfect world but created beings with a potential for imperfection in order to be loved and worshiped by them (because the love/worship of an imperfect being for a perfect being is stronger).

[Anonymous No.4270334]

>>4270325
>blaming god for the state of the world

he gave it to us as a gift and WE fucked it up, we're the groundskeepers and we're not doing our job

[Anonymous No.4270341]

>>4270331
If the world was made perfect, why is a worldly life sinful?

Checkm8

[Anonymous No.4270344]

>>4270341
the world was made perfect at first and then a minor little biblical event happened called the Fall

fuck i hope i'm being trolled here you can't really be this ignorant of christianity

[Anonymous No.4270351]

>>4270344
>implying the Fall isn't incoherent to begin with

[Anonymous No.4270367]

>>4270351
if by "incoherent" you mean "requires interpretation" then ok, i guess

[Anonymous No.4270385]

>>4270334
>that bitch with the flowers up her arse

I'll have the middle world please.

[Anonymous No.4270390]

>>4270331
So the grand old question of "why are we here?" can be answered with narcissism?

[Anonymous No.4270399]

>>4270390
Well, narcissism has a negative connotation. Remember, Christianity teaches that our love for God is reciprocated a thousand times over by his love for us. And even though we are here to worship him he is a perfect being and perfectly deserving of worship.

[Anonymous No.4270419]

>>4270344
>>4270351
camus a shit

[Anonymous No.4270493]

>>4270385
thats where we're at right now, but look what comes after

[Anonymous No.4270685]

>>4270493
2spooky