/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4231654]

What's the nation with the best literature? What had or has the greatest philosophers? Explain.

>inb4 muh country

[Anonymous No.4231699]

fuck off

[Anonymous No.4231726]

>inb4 muh country

Your thread is already that.

[Anonymous No.4231957]

France

>Sartre is smartre

[Anonymous No.4231960]

>>4231654
Etruria. Can't prove me wrong, faggot.

[Anonymous No.4232000]

>>4231654
>inb4 muh country
>implying you can fully understand the litterature of another country anyway

[Anonymous No.4232007]

>>4231957
could have just said sartre is smart

[Anonymous No.4232005]

>>4231654
Russia, definitely.

[Anonymous No.4232011]

>>4231957
actually said the same joke many years ago.

i guess it's an obvious one to make...

op, i would say the chinese or greeks. they're the most read, right?

[Anonymous No.4232019]

>>4231654
>implying literature has objective, comparable value
moron drunk on the neoliberal koolaid detected

[Anonymous No.4232023]

>>4232005
seconded only because I have the biggest hard-on for Dostoyevsky

[Anonymous No.4232026]

>>4232023
Let me expand on this post

Who is another Russian author I should? Suggest me a read!

[Anonymous No.4232033]

>Joyce
>Wilde
>Swift
>Stoker
>Burke
>Sayers
>Ó Criomhthain
>The Tain
>Amra Choluim Chille
u tell me m8

[Anonymous No.4232040]

>>4232026
Tolstoy would be an obvious pick.

My personal favorite work of his is the classic "War, What is it good for?"

[Anonymous No.4232045]

>>4232040
nice seinfeld.

>>4232026
alexander chekhov.

[Anonymous No.4232047]

>>4232026
Solzhenitsyn
Pushkin
Turgenev

[Anonymous No.4232050]

>>4232047
ah damn. pushkin is great. i've not read the other two. but i haven't read a lot of russ lit either. will add them to my list,

[Anonymous No.4232052]

>>4232026
Nabokov

[Anonymous No.4232058]

>>4232033
>Joyce
Shit
>Wilde
Gay
>Swift
Shit
>Stoker
Pleb shit
>Burke
>Sayers
>O'Whatever
>The Taint
>Amhra ghlabalabbabegorrah jasysus child molestation
Fuck off, nobody has even heard of any of that garbage.

Ireland has yet to produce even ONE work of note. Just one. That's pretty hard considering you're right next to the greatest outputter of literature on the planet (Shakespeare, nuff said). You'd think at least some of our merit would rub off on you.

You stupid fucking Fenians have no place discussing liteature. Pls go

[Anonymous No.4232061]

>>4232052
oh fuck! I'd forgotten about him! Pale Fire's 2nd canto was so sad but incredibly beautiful and moving

[Anonymous No.4232065]

>>4232058
*tips bowler*

[Anonymous No.4232068]

1. England
2. Russia

[Anonymous No.4232086]

Germany, of course...

[Anonymous No.4232118]

Can I pick a region? Hemingway a shit.

[Anonymous No.4232122]

>What had or has the greatest philosophers?

native america

[Anonymous No.4232192]

Ireland, France or Russia

[Anonymous No.4232198]

America and America

debate me, fuckers

[Anonymous No.4232230]

Are we talking about modern literature or even past literature?
Because it will change lots of things: we cannot omitt the importance of Italy in Renaissance AND ancient literature(Virgilius anyone?).
But, yes, it is >muh country
I am not impartial, neither are you.

[Anonymous No.4232233]

Motherfuckin' Murrica
>Harper Lee
>Fitzgerald
>Mark Twain
>Sallinger
>Steinbeck
>Ray Bradbury
>Edgar Allan Poe
>Hemmingway
>Vonnegut
>Melville
>Frost
>Whitman
>E.B. White
>Emily Dickinson
>Faulkner
>Kerouac
>Kesey
>Plath
>Thoreau
>Capote
>TS Eliot
>Bret Easton Ellis
>Hunter S Thompson
>Cormac McCarthy
and the list goes on. seriously, this is not up for debate.

[Anonymous No.4232236]

>>4232233
Who the fuck are Faulkner, Kesey, Plath, Toureau, Capote, Elio, Elis, Thompson and McCarthy?
It's literature, not "post every shitty author we know"

[Anonymous No.4232247]

>>4232236
>Who the fuck are Faulkner, Kesey, Plath, Toureau, Capote, Elio, Elis, Thompson and McCarthy?
Have you ever even read a book before?

[Anonymous No.4232255]

>>4232233


>Fitzgerald - SHIT
>Ray Bradbury - FOR TEENAGERS
>Edgar Allan Poe - SHIT
>Vonnegut - FOR TEENAGERS
>Kerouac - FOR TEENAGERS
>Kesey - FOR TEENAGERS
>Plath - FOR TEENAGERS
>Capote - shit
>Bret Easton Ellis - FOR TEENAGERS
>Hunter S Thompson - FOR TEENAGERS
>Cormac McCarthy - who?


And you didn't even mention Nathaniel Hawthorne..

[Anonymous No.4232262]

>>4232247
A book written by them or a book in general?
The answer to the second question is yes, considered that I am even doing a metrical translation of Catullus' Carmina.

[Anonymous No.4232263]

>>4232255
>teenager trying to act "grown up"

[Anonymous No.4232276]

>>4232233
America is a young nation, so is its litterature.

Kerouac was French Canadian, the Road was firstly written in French.

Enjoy reading a translation.

[Anonymous No.4232329]

>>4232233

That it's all you know doesn't make it the greatest.

[Anonymous No.4232441]

Denmark.

[Anonymous No.4232450]

>>4232441
That ain't half wrong. The stuff I've read from Denmark was pretty good.

[Anonymous No.4232462]

For philosophy of couse Germany. Let alone the influene authors like Kant, Hegel,Nietzsche, Husserl or Heidegger had. And then Schopenhauer and Schelling and Leibniz ... Beats France and England in my opinion. France lacks good philosophers in beetwen enlitenment and existentilism, England beetwen enlitenment and analytic philosophy.

For literature I would say that It is either France or Russia. But Spain is also high up there and with Don Quijote they might have the key novel and landmark of modernity.

[Anonymous No.4232475]

Scandinavia and Russia for depressing as fuck shit.

[Anonymous No.4232503]

Probably the USA, then the UK.

[Anonymous No.4232527]

>>4232475
Finland's not Scandinavia, but.

I recommend The Egyptian by Mika Waltari.

[Anonymous No.4232533]

Australia

[Anonymous No.4232534]

>>4232527
Already read it. Pretty damn good.

[Anonymous No.4232550]

Why do we keep having these threads?

Ireland always wins

[Anonymous No.4232574]

Brits > Americans > Japanese > Rest of Europe > Canadans > Australians > China > Rest of Asia > South/Central America >>>>>> Africa

[Anonymous No.4232582]

>>4232533

SO MAD

[Anonymous No.4232613]

Literature
1. Russia
2. England
3. America
4. France
5. Germany

Philosophy
1. Germany
2. Greece
3. France

[Anonymous No.4232617]

The North is still unbeatable in terms of crime novels.

[Anonymous No.4232620]

Philosophy - Slovenia

[Anonymous No.4232621]

>>4232058
lel

go to bed cromwell

[Anonymous No.4232626]

lit: England

phil: Greece

[Anonymous No.4232627]

Philosophy:

1. Germany
2. Greece
3. Britain
4. America
5. China

9001. France

[Anonymous No.4232629]

>>4232617

new england plz go

[Anonymous No.4232636]

Finland

> Alastalon Salissa (Thought Ulysses was modernistic? Top lel)
> The Egyptian
> The Roman
> The Cleansing
> Gran Canal
> Näytän hyvältä ilman paitaa
> Manillaköysi
> Kalevala

[Anonymous No.4232641]

How is the country relevant when even the most diehard patriot can only name a dozen authors?

What does that say about the fucking country?

[Anonymous No.4232642]

If you quit going by country and expand it to cultural traditions, Germanic includes Kierkegaard and immediately becomes unfuckwitable.

Grecian gets honorable mention.

[Anonymous No.4232643]

>>4232005
But most prestigeous Russian Literature is just 19th century realist novels

[Anonymous No.4232644]

>>4232627
Switch Britain and China and you're good to go.

[Anonymous No.4232645]

>>4232636
Finland is a cultural wasteland.

[Anonymous No.4232648]

>>4232636
>> Kalevala
Stop appropriating my Russian heritage, you insensitive racist.

[Anonymous No.4232649]

>>4232642

Germanic would include way the fuck more than just Kierkegaard, it'd include all english language lit as well as german. It'd be a beast of the modern age.

[Anonymous No.4232650]

>>4232629
I think he meant Sweden/Norway

[Anonymous No.4232651]

>>4232645
And the most celebrated British poem of last hundred years is an intellectual waste land

So?

[Anonymous No.4232654]

>>4232648
Karelia is Finnish

Finnish

;(

[Anonymous No.4232655]

>>4232645
there's the moomins

[Anonymous No.4232656]

Nations and nationalities are social constructs. If a lot of good books come from one place, it's just a coincidence. It means nothing. We can all write great literature, regardless of where we're from.

All you psychopathic, racist bastards who disagree can fuck off back to >>>/pol/.

[Anonymous No.4232657]

>>4232233
>>Bret Easton Ellis

I think he alone brings us down

[Anonymous No.4232658]

>>4232636

but nobody reads finnish

[Anonymous No.4232660]

>>4232649
>the pillaging never ends

[Anonymous No.4232661]

>>4232658
The Egyptian was the most sold foreign novel in US between '49 and '87

[Anonymous No.4232662]

To all Frenchfags (and other non anglophones):

Do people in your country often revere Shakespeare? Is it common for someone to consider him the best writer ever?

[Anonymous No.4232663]

>>4232641
it's small?

[Anonymous No.4232666]

>>4232654
> Karelia is Finnish
Not the one where Kalevala was recorded, no.

[Anonymous No.4232670]

>>4232656
>We can all write great literature, regardless of where we're from.

Substitute great with mediocre and I'd agree with you.

[Anonymous No.4232672]

>>4232662
Russian here.
>Do people in your country often revere Shakespeare?
No.
>Is it common for someone to consider him the best writer ever?
Lol. Now that made me literally laugh out loud. (No, not common.)

[Anonymous No.4232676]

>>4232662
Best playwright? Yes. Best writer of all time? Nope.

>>4232666
Only one of his trip was mainly aimed at what Russia was at the time, so, eh. You could say yhat Os Lusidas is not Portuguese because it mainly takes place outside Portugal proper, but what's the point?

[Anonymous No.4232680]

>>4232233

>Bret Easton Ellis
>this is not up for debate

Stop posting here you worthless fucking casual reader.

[Anonymous No.4232685]

Film:
1. USA
2. France
3. Japan
4. Italy
5. Germany

[Anonymous No.4232686]

>>4232672
That's odd. Are you from a city or are you from an impoverished area

[Anonymous No.4232692]

It's a Latin American country.

It's probably between Argentina and Mexico, with Argentina having the edge.

Any country named outside of Latin America is painfully wrong.

[Anonymous No.4232701]

>>4232692

Having only about 70 years of recent relevance doesn't count.

Borges top 1 though

[Anonymous No.4232722]

>>4232692
Mexico and Argentina do pretty poorly considering their populations

[Anonymous No.4232731]

Would love if lots more Chinese lit were translated, ive read very little bad chinese literature

[Anonymous No.4232732]

>>4232701

Yes and they've completely dominated that relevance. It's a product of the postcolonial turn that once disregarded literary scenes can be seen for what they are. The best. If we were to focus exclusively on contemporary lit then Mexico, with Argentina lagging behind a bit (too much Cesar Aira focus) would be the undisputed king. Contemporary lit in English is in a legitimate crisis today.

[Anonymous No.4232755]

>>4232692
lol

how can you possibly be this wrong

latin american countries are all relatively new, impoverished, and terribly uncultured. How would they produce the greatest writer/philosopher ever, let alone one in the top 10

[Anonymous No.4232767]

>>4232755

You're what the people of Latin America call a "pendejo". Enjoy being a "pendejo".

[Anonymous No.4232788]

>>4232627
>America
>Philosophy

[Anonymous No.4232793]

>>4232755

what??? what about paolo coelo, he is one of the great thinkers of our time

[Anonymous No.4232800]

>>4232767
i don't care what a bunch of spics call me, their culture is shit

>>4232793
lol

[Anonymous No.4232801]

>>4232011
>chinese

Kek. A few daoists, a Buddhist sutra here and there, Confucius and some stories nobody really cares about.

[Anonymous No.4232807]

Philosophy: Ancient Greeks, Germanosphere.
Fiction and poetry: Who cares?

[Anonymous No.4232809]

>>4231654
Russia.

[Anonymous No.4232815]

>>4232809
>russia
>philosophy

[Anonymous No.4232819]

>>4232247
Good one.

[Anonymous No.4232822]

>>4232801
>a few daoists
>insignificant
Oh y'know, only the development of quietism long before Wittgenstein, skepticism long before others in the West, linguistic deconstruction millennia before Derrida, a lot of insignificant developments, really.

Go read more.

[Anonymous No.4232860]

>>4231654

I think it doesn't make sense in this context to refer to nations and not languages.

So, I'll go with German language literature, including Switzerland, Austria, Germany - however, none of these countries could win alone as a nation, maybe not even Germany.

[Anonymous No.4232904]

>>4232822
>only the development of quietism long before Wittgenstein

Yeah, just like Pyrrho, hahahha oh wait he's greek

[Anonymous No.4232980]

>claiming to be the country with the best literature
>not having produced shakespeare

[Anonymous No.4233019]

>>4232904
Doesn't refute my other points.

Nor does it prove that Pyrrho is superior to Daoists who wrote about similar topics.

[Anonymous No.4233037]

>>4232462
yeah, though honestly I'd but england up with france and russia. i'd argue that no other language has an equivalent to shakespeare

[Anonymous No.4233052]

for philosophy it's either germany/austria which i'd say can be grouped together easily, or greece. the former because of the massive body of philosophic thought it's produced since the 1700s, with Wittgenstein alone dominating the scene as in some ways he was a be-all end-all to philosophy. the latter because from there stems essentially all the culture of western civilization.

for lit it's either england or russia hands down.

[Anonymous No.4233480]

>>4232462
In my opinion the tradition of utilitarianism (Bentham, Mill) is extremely interesting while Heidegger, Nietzsche and Hegel are not. But yeah, even then many of the greatest analytic philosophers were German (Frege, Popper).

[Anonymous No.4233612]

>>4232026
gogol
diary of a madman

[Anonymous No.4233997]

>>4232732
>Contemporary lit in English is in a legitimate crisis today.
explain please

[Anonymous No.4234006]

>>4231654
France, because Rimbaud is the best writer ever, and also some other things happened.
For philosophy: Germany
For spirituality: America

[Anonymous No.4234011]

>>4232255
>for teenagers
Is this supposed to be a criticism?

[Anonymous No.4234016]

>>4232533
Ya cunt.
Is there any good Aus lit? I've read a couple of poems and I genuinely like Waltzing Matilda, but it seems rather bereft.

[Anonymous No.4234027]

Literature:

1. Russia
2. England
3. France
4. Argentina
5. Italy

Philosophy:

1. Greece
2. Germany
3. France
4. Russia

Poetry:

1. Russia
2. France
3. England
4. America

[Anonymous No.4234285]

>>4231654

France, Spain, Iran

[Anonymous No.4234286]

>>4232052
But Nabokov is American

[Anonymous No.4234287]

>>4234285

>Iran

delusional iranian pls go

[Anonymous No.4234291]

>>4231654
philosophy: germans or greeks are runaway winners
literature: idk

[Anonymous No.4234292]

>>4234287

Persian philosophy and literature can be a little under appreciated, but I'd rank it up there with Italy, France, England, etc. in terms of influence.