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4225039 No.4225039[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

...how does pic related make you feel about Joyce?

>> No.4225046

his prose in what were essentially early 20th century sexts is still better than 99.99% of published authors could ever dream of achieving

and who am i to judge anyone by their fetishes considering the porn i've wanked to in the past?

>> No.4225048

He was a kinky fucker.

Good for him. So was Nabokov. So am I.

>> No.4225049

I don't care about author biographies.

>> No.4225053

>>4225039
I think it's great. I cannot put it into words how awesome I think it is. The guy clearly had awesome sex and I think that's neat. People should have great sex.
Are you an American? American's are fucking weird. Sex is great, BUT NOBODY CAN EVER KNOW. Fucking iron age puritans.

>> No.4225054

>>4225046
His prose sucks.

>> No.4225062
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4225062

...how does pic related make you feel about Georrge RR Marrtin?

>> No.4225066

>>4225054
yeah he is certainly no grr martin am i right

>> No.4225069

>>4225054
YOU suck

>> No.4225071

>>4225053
later in their marriage things turned to shit because Joyce drank too much and his wife basically thought of him as ruining her life

>> No.4225074

>>4225071
Very progressive.

>> No.4225078

>>4225062
>...how does pic related make you feel about F. Scott Fitzgerald?

Fixed. That shit is awful.

>> No.4225081

>>4225071
>his wife thought her provider ruined her life

wow women are so great.

>> No.4225085

>>4225081
>women are objects and should always be grateful of men, regardless of how he treats her
Oh fuck off.
That's like saying people should always respect their parents, even if they beat you. Which people do say, and I want to punch them in the neck just as much as I want to punch you in the neck.

>> No.4225084

>>4225078

don't be a fucking faggot

>> No.4225090

>>4225085
>wanting to punch someone in the neck
>2012

>> No.4225092 [DELETED] 

>>4225085
Those people are mostly right. There are exceptions, but god forbid a little strife comes your way from the person who is giving you fucking food and shelter. You probably deserved it.

>> No.4225097

>>4225085

You should respect your parents, especially if they beat you. It means they're doing their job.

>> No.4225095

>>4225085

>pre 1960
>not seeing your wife as property

Get a load of this edgy faggot

>> No.4225096 [DELETED] 

>>4225085
>That's like saying people should always respect their parents, even if they beat you.

Well if you don't like it you can leave, just as she can. But to stay and leech off their resources while complaining is hypocritical.

>> No.4225098

>>4225081
sounds like something a good goyim would say

>> No.4225100

>>4225085
He loved her and he immortalised her in his art. There's nothing more he could have possibly given her.

>B-but he expected her to cook for him!

>> No.4225120

>>4225096
>5yr olds can just leave

>>4225097
Yanking an ear is just as effective as punching your kid in the face and it also avoids all the trauma later.

>>4225100
There's kind of a huge difference between expecting someone to cook for you and ruining their life. Moron.

>> No.4225121

I find him more interesting than I did before all this

>> No.4225123

>>4225120
>bawwww he's so evil and he's ruining my life
>stay because you're nothing without him and love being provided for while doing nothing

>> No.4225132

Am I the only person who sees the 'what is your favorite historical misconception'?

>> No.4225137

>>4225120
>There's kind of a huge difference between expecting someone to cook for you and ruining their life. Moron.

You say that as if you know the exact circumstances Nora was under when she said that. You don't. It must have been something petty considering she was given a prestigious name, money, food, shelter, etc.

>> No.4225139

>>4225123
Look, I don't care what she did or didn't do, or what he did or didn't do.

I just think it's a shitty fucking thing to say that women shouldn't be able to accuse men of anything because "men are providers". So? Fuck that. Women don't simply come into existence during consummation.

>> No.4225148

>>4225139
>So?

Then they can leave.

>> No.4225159

>>4225148
Well, I'd leave, sure. But there's all this trauma and shit I guess?. Which, now that I think about it, doesn't really do much for "women are independent" argument, but whatever.

I don't know, maybe she just spontaneously became aware that she was old now and got mad that she had spent the last 30 years with one guy.

>> No.4225160

>>4225062
I know this picked a particularly gruesome part of GRUM's shittylol books and that they are comparing completely different PoV, but it does show how much better Fitzgerald is at using words.

>> No.4225168

>>4225159
why are you so female

>> No.4225172

>>4225168
I was involved in a terrible accident in the '70s.

>> No.4225174

>>4225159
>mad that she had spent the last 30 years with one guy.

How horrible.

>> No.4225181

>>4225174
It seems like a bad enough thing nowadays.

>> No.4225187

>>4225081
In fairness Joyce apparently made fun of and belittled her constantly because Irish was her first language.

>> No.4225191

>>4225181

No, spending 30 years with the same woman is a horrible thing

>> No.4225198

>>4225191
It was a jab at couples in general and the rate of divorce. Jesus, how small is your dick?

>> No.4225199

Was she hot? I always get excited by these only to found out she's average at best and vile at its usual. Same as a buddy after couple of beers, telling you of his conquests, I want to be leaf...Too bad there's social media and internet around these days.

>> No.4225206

>>4225132
This was in reply to a historical misconception - it was not actually presented as one. If I remember correctly, the thread was about Napoleon never being in love, and then somebody saw one of his dirtier letters to Josephine that proved it to be a misconception. Somebody posted this because it was relevant. I guess.

>> No.4225208

>>4225198
It was hacky.

>> No.4225210 [DELETED] 

Why do females insist on being portrayed as strong, independent women when they're inherently unhappy in that role? Just admit you're submissive and like to take care of men and you'll be better off.

>> No.4225214

>didn't already know about this
>learned it from le rebbit
I think you should fuck off, OP.

>> No.4225216 [DELETED] 

>>4225210
It's just another layer to their submissiveness. Playing "strong and independent" acts as a shit test for betas so that only true doms get their dick wet.

>> No.4225246 [DELETED] 

>>4225216
more like another layer of their self-delusion

>> No.4225260

>>4225210
>>4225216
we /r9k/ now

>> No.4225270

>>4225260
It's true though.

>> No.4225276

>>4225260
What a cop out.

>> No.4225288

>>4225270
:^) i'm sure it is

>> No.4225294

yeah authors tend to be the kinkiest

i guess my old sex problems look like a good thing right now

>> No.4225300

>>4225294
I don't think there's any evidence of that, we just have tons more evidence of them being kinky in the form of writing

>> No.4225344

>>4225198
>Jesus, how small is your dick?

Why is this invariably women's first recourse when challenged?

>> No.4225349

>>4225078
Confirmed for shit taste in prose, and writing

>> No.4225356

Hey janitor, your ban attempt didn't work. But while I'm here: what's the beef? I can only guess it relates to this thread.

>> No.4225353

>>4225344
Shaming. Classical women tactic to get men to commit and abandon their morals. You don't want to marry that slut..er liberated womyn? Are you even a man? Your penis must be so small.

>> No.4225354

>>4225344
Same reason 0.1% of great writers are women. Herd mentality and lack of creative animus.

>> No.4225376

>>4225344
that feel when I have a very small dick, and they're actually going to be right

>> No.4225451

>>4225062
Fitzgerald was pretty mediocre, longwinded and I still don't know a thing about Gatsby. Martins was shitty...duh, but the parts can be hardly compared anyway. This shit reminds me how kids scream "fuck justin bieber" in YT comments of completely unrelated music.


>>4225354
>>4225353
/pol/ please leave

>>4225054
How dare you? BUT MUH APPEAL TO AUTHORITY, JOYCE BEST

>> No.4225458

>>4225054
>>4225451
Here's a passage from a book neither of you have read:

>This idea of surrender had a perilous attraction for his mind now that he felt his soul beset once again by the insistent voices of the flesh which began to murmur to him again during his prayers and meditations. It gave him an intense sense of power to know that he could, by a single act of consent, in a moment of thought, undo all that he had done. He seemed to feel a flood slowly advancing towards his naked feet and to be waiting for the first faint timid noiseless wavelet to touch his fevered skin. Then, almost at the instant of that touch, almost at the verge of sinful consent, he found himself standing far away from the flood upon a dry shore, saved by a sudden act of the will or a sudden ejaculation; and, seeing the silver line of the flood far away and beginning again its slow advance towards his feet, a new thrill of power and satisfaction shook his soul to know that he had not yielded nor undone all.

>When he had eluded the flood of temptation many times in this way he grew troubled and wondered whether the grace which he had refused to lose was not being filched from him little by little. The clear certitude of his own immunity grew dim and to it succeeded a vague fear that his soul had really fallen unawares. It was with difficulty that he won back his old consciousness of his state of grace by telling himself that he had prayed to God at every temptation and that the grace which he had prayed for must have been given to him inasmuch as God was obliged to give it. The very frequency and violence of temptations showed him at last the truth of what he had heard about the trials of the saints. Frequent and violent temptations were a proof that the citadel of the soul had not fallen and that the devil raged to make it fall.

>Often when he had confessed his doubts and scruples—some momentary inattention at prayer, a movement of trivial anger in his soul, or a subtle wilfulness in speech or act—he was bidden by his confessor to name some sin of his past life before absolution was given him. He named it with humility and shame and repented of it once more. It humiliated and shamed him to think that he would never be freed from it wholly, however holily he might live or whatever virtues or perfections he might attain. A restless feeling of guilt would always be present with him: he would confess and repent and be absolved, confess and repent again and be absolved again, fruitlessly. Perhaps that first hasty confession wrung from him by the fear of hell had not been good? Perhaps, concerned only for his imminent doom, he had not had sincere sorrow for his sin? But the surest sign that his confession had been good and that he had had sincere sorrow for his sin was, he knew, the amendment of his life.

>> No.4225467

>>4225458
It has nice use of words and all but man, so long winded. I like when prose is functional, not just the author showing of his skills without going anywhere.

>> No.4225475

>>4225467
A story you haven't read:

>It was late when I fell asleep. Though I was angry with old Cotter for alluding to me as a child, I puzzled my head to extract meaning from his unfinished sentences. In the dark of my room I imagined that I saw again the heavy grey face of the paralytic. I drew the blankets over my head and tried to think of Christmas. But the grey face still followed me. It murmured; and I understood that it desired to confess something. I felt my soul receding into some pleasant and vicious region; and there again I found it waiting for me. It began to confess to me in a murmuring voice and I wondered why it smiled continually and why the lips were so moist with spittle. But then I remembered that it had died of paralysis and I felt that I too was smiling feebly as if to absolve the simoniac of his sin.

>> No.4225481

>>4225475
way better

>> No.4225483

>>4225481
A book that absolutely NO ONE has read

>Axe on thwacks on thracks, axenwise. One by one place one be three dittoh and one before. Two nursus one make a plaus-ible free and idim behind. Starting off with a big boaboa and three — legged calvers and ivargraine jadesses with a message in their mouths. And a hundreadfilled unleavenweight of liberorumqueue to con an we can till allhorrors eve. What a meanderthalltale to unfurl and with what an end in view of squattor and anntisquattor and postproneauntisquattor! To say too us to be every tim, nick and larry of us, sons of the sod, sons, littlesons, yea and lealittle-sons, when usses not to be, every sue, siss and sally of us, dugters of Nan! Accusative ahnsire! Damadam to infinities

>> No.4225487

Dude's baller as fuck. He's all about that pussy.

>> No.4225490

>>4225483
interesting and original or just shitty, not sure

>> No.4225497

>>4225467
And it does go somewhere by the way. It's actually pretty important, the narrator starts another one of his many conversions in the novel, this time seriously doubting the benefits of devout religion.

>> No.4225513

>>4225490
Whisper it out loud. I know it's a stupid cliche by now that hipsters fall back when defending Finnegans Wake, but I haven't read the book and it's still so nice whispering the passages.

>> No.4225520

>>4225467
>i like when prose is functional
>functional
pls kill me

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>>4225199
shes not that bad

i would bang

>> No.4225545

>>4225497
Well, yes in a complete book it may work much better than cut off and complete the work. Now seeing the part without the bigger context, meh.

>>4225513
Feels weird, in a way it's fascinating but I can't tell what makes the fascination nor what the fuck I am actually reading.

Which book was the one with Cotter?

>> No.4225557

>>4225458
it took me exactly one sentence to figure out the guy who wrote it is a self-absorbed pompous ass. it's akin to one of those guitar wankers trotting out 500 notes a second of an obscure scale. the eye roll is the only acceptable action to that excerpt, the author and anyone who finds it enjoyable.

>> No.4225572

>>4225545
The book with Cotter is Dubliners, his short story collection. Yeah, the writing is much better if read from the beginning of the chapter, but it's a long chapter. Where I cut it off was arbitrary.

>>4225557
>>4225557
>it took me exactly one sentence to figure out the guy who wrote it is a self-absorbed pompous ass.
You sure have a high opinion of your own powers of inductive reasoning. You must hang out with a lot of self-absorbed pompous asses and read a lot of their writings to be able to tell that.

I'll admit that I found that piece of writing enjoyable, I feel bad that you'll never share this feeling I get when reading such great prose.

>> No.4225604

>>4225557
>>4225572
Joyce still was pompous self-absorbed ass, though, probably the greatest one we'll ever see, and I am too. But that doesn't detract from the greatness of the writing.