/lit/, what is your opinion of Andrea Coates? Somehow reading her writing makes me incredibly angry and I don't know why exactly. I dearly hope it isn't envy I'm feeling.

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Anonymous Tue Oct 29 00:17:52 2013 No.4223030 [DELETED]

/lit/, what is your opinion of Andrea Coates?

Somehow reading her writing makes me incredibly angry and I don't know why exactly. I dearly hope it isn't envy I'm feeling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 00:20:52 2013 No.4223034 Oh, here's a taste for the uninitiated: http://andreacoates.blogspot.ca/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 00:34:40 2013 No.4223059 JeffK got old 15 years ago

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 00:36:41 2013 No.4223063 >>4223059 What is JeffK? I was 6 years old 15 years ago and didn't have internet access.

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 00:55:41 2013 No.4223095

>>4223034
I don't want to read a single line of this. I don't want to memorize her name.
Let's just focus in the anecdote.

I realize she's another of those "alt-lit" retards.
That kind of insane writing doesn't get any audience. Nobody has the interest to read that. If she gets attention it's obvious that they're just trying to fuck her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:13:28 2013 No.4223118 >>4223095 It's no different to the way Pynchon writes in Mason and Dixon, really.

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:24:29 2013 No.4223139

Why are alt-lit authors all such terrible people?

http://htmlgiant.com/author-spotlight/lara-glenums-p-p-popping-the-corpse-p-p-popping-the-corpse-corpse-corpse-2/
http://htmlgiant.com/author-spotlight/crispin-best/
http://htmlgiant.com/author-spotlight/im-a-bad-feminist-etc-talking-with-seattles-amber-nelson/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:27:28 2013 No.4223145 File: 69 KB, 391x400, voltaire[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are your opinions on taste, /lit/? In every field, but especially in literature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:30:28 2013 No.4223150 >>4223139 I envy them their success. But yeah, terrible terrible people.

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:33:29 2013 No.4223156

>>4223118
>Mason and Dixon
I haven't read it. I don't think that changes anything. Pynchon wrote it with a purpose (and most importantly, he has the authority to do it).

There's no purpose in that blog, no appeal. I only felt attracted to the girl, but I just googled Andrea Coates naked and I got the nudes. I didn't have to reading anything.

What is she trying to say exactly? She made a thing and she wanted a reaction. Any reaction. She wrote hysterically a nominative thing about something. And then?

She thinks she's a Discordianist, with the golden apple and all, but chaos for the sake of chaos is a waste of energy and time. Even chaos magicians define purposes. They're free to chose their purpose, that's the point.

Poor girl, she's not even insane. She's the worst kind of all: just a narcissistic person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:35:28 2013 No.4223164 >>4223156 Good analysis. I don't know why she includes all those nudes with her articles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:40:46 2013 No.4223174 is she hipster runoff?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:47:47 2013 No.4223187 >>4223164 A Girl appearing Naked on her Literary Blog is a Relevant Cultural Statement

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:49:46 2013 No.4223189 >>4223187 "I'm too unfit for pole dancing money"?

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:50:46 2013 No.4223192
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Ashamed to say I jerked off to this girl a moment ago. Her writing isn't terrible, but the formatting and all the clutter on her blog makes it unreadable. Why do people do this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 01:53:46 2013 No.4223198 >>4223095 She doesn't actually identify with the alt-lit movement it seems. She critiques them as if she were separate from them. She seems particularly interested in the thought catalog whores.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 02:19:46 2013 No.4223222 does she ever get naked? looked through the blog for 2 seconds and noticed she has a thing for tao lin; maybe he smashed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 02:28:06 2013 No.4223241 >>4223203 nm, she totally gets naked. it is a bitch to navigate her blog though

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 02:34:06 2013 No.4223247 >>4223222 She gets naked CONSTANTLY. It really hurts her respectability as a writer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 02:39:06 2013 No.4223256 >>4223247 i see that she has a kid; does she know who the daddy is?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 02:44:06 2013 No.4223266 >>4223247 I don't think she cares, and her point is that it shouldn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 02:46:07 2013 No.4223272 >>4223030 >http://andreacoates.blogspot.ca/ Not even the buttocks can make up for this crap.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 02:59:06 2013 No.4223294 >>4223034 Holy shit this stuff is gold.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:02:06 2013 No.4223298 >>4223294 >gold In what sense?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:04:06 2013 No.4223300 Interesting analysis of the hipster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:04:06 2013 No.4223301 >>4223266 >her point is that it shouldn't. Yeah, suuuure. What biting commentary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:23:06 2013 No.4223323 >>4223156 >inb4 you just hate her because she's a woman

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:35:07 2013 No.4223332
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>>4223156
You are everything that is wrong with what /lit/ has become.
>I didn't read it
It's evident that you don't read very often. You probably opine on books all of the time based upon what marginal and unsubstantiated rumors you have heard regurgitated by others instead of reading them and the canon upon which they are based and forming your own opinions.

Unfortunately, you are unable even to perform the basic task of perusing text on Andrea Coates blog. I don't find her work compelling. In fact, I rather dislike it. But I at least read the blog. Read a couple of posts. She is not posting "chaos for the sake of chaos." She enumerates certain structures, (no, she's not a total anarchist) in a number of posts, including this review of Sanderg's Lean In (http://andreacoates.blogspot.ca/2013/05/sheryl-sandbergs-lean-in-quest-for.html)) and almost all of those on the "DIYAnrky" portal. Read them. She's not an utter nihilist. I forget which post it was (read it a couple of weeks back) but in fact she calls out that very trend in youth and in ironic authors, assering that in adopting and behaving nihilist philosophy, they are sacrificing their responsibility to work to create better structures.

The discussion in this thread has been pitifully shallow. It is misogynistic. It is not taking her obsession with nudity and promiscuity into consideration (I don't think it's very substantial myself, but at least I took the time to think about it before dismissing its significance), but instead immediately reducing it to "nudes" and debasing her sexuality as a conquest for yourself. That's misogyny. That's exactly what she's criticizing. Y'all are so infuriated by her, and yet you're not even reading the content that infuriates you, simply raging against the temerity of Coates to throw tits in with her tirades. How fitting. Maybe I shouldn't be so quick to write off the salience of her nudity.

tl;dr: Read before you criticize. No, she's not fantastic and her writing is not particularly innovative. But she's making some serious points against you and you're not even reading it because you're too busy staring at the breasts that she is calling you out for reducing her to.
Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:48:07 2013 No.4223347 >>4223332 not even furious, the girl is dumb. came for the nudes, came for the nudes, didn't stay for her writing or poems because they were nothing special

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:48:07 2013 No.4223350

>>4223332
Can you justify her ridiculous formatting, though? Yeah, I agree that you should read something before writing it off completely. But her presentation seems so aggressively bent on scaring off potential readers, or perhaps hiding a lack of content. Everything on that blog seems geared towards drawing attention AWAY from the writing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:50:07 2013 No.4223351 File: 171 KB, 1356x1600, andrea coates writing JUNK17.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4223332 A white knight on /lit/. I never thought I'd see the day...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:51:07 2013 No.4223353 >>4223332 Gong to go ahead and agree with this anon >>4223347 back in your box >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:51:07 2013 No.4223354 >>4223350 I think that's the point, kid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:55:06 2013 No.4223362 >>4223353 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y1AleubLEM her critique of the New York dating scene is like nothing I've ever seen before

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 03:57:07 2013 No.4223365 >>4223362 What is this? What is happening? Why? Oh wait, it's ironic. It HAS to be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:01:43 2013 No.4223373 >>4223365 lol convince me of the irony you guys>>4223353 >>4223332

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:02:43 2013 No.4223375 >>4223332 >misogynistic Wow, really? Playing that card are we? I'm not misogynistic. I hate her because she's a woman, sure. But I hate her for so many other reasons as well. How can that be misogyny? It's just general hatred of a person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:04:43 2013 No.4223379 File: 37 KB, 460x345, 1367125243016.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4223362 Kill me now, please. Just end my suffering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:05:43 2013 No.4223380 she's right that the fact people think tao lin is the voice of a generation is pathetic

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:05:43 2013 No.4223382 >>4223373 Hammy delivery, silly lyrics. It's obviously ironic. I don't think there's any debate to be had.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:07:44 2013 No.4223386 >>4223382 She seems very passionate and serious to me.

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:08:44 2013 No.4223391

>>4223382
that is always her delivery, please educate yourself on her other fine works. i think poems have lines rather than lyrics but whatevs

p.s. she fucked some oldass bearded dude and posted a pick of herself licking his dick so the only way this is irony is if she is taking the I'm literally a prostitute stance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:11:44 2013 No.4223396 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXYiKRQcEzM omg, it is /lit/s new girlfriend; so ironic

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:11:44 2013 No.4223397 >>4223391 >posted a pick of herself licking his dick Is that on the blog?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:14:44 2013 No.4223400 >>4223397 yep, she is basically an artistic camwhore, photography rather than film makes it artistic

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:17:45 2013 No.4223407 Awesome. I've been looking for some contemporary Dada. A blog seems the perfect medium for these particular entries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:18:45 2013 No.4223413 >>4223400 It's a commentary on those thought catalog bitches like Marie Calloway, she's not condoning it. She's making fun of it, hence all the gaudy shit and stupid catchphrases photoshopped into the pics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:20:45 2013 No.4223419 >>4223413 she isn't very good at it bsed on the video; comes off as a lolsorandom mountain lion-lover. she thinks tao lin is a big shot/best millenial writer and critiques him in the video Don't make her more than she is, bro. Will only disappoint.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:22:44 2013 No.4223425 >>4223419 >she thinks tao lin is a big shot/best millenial writer she thinks other people think tao lin is a big shot/best millenial writer which is true! and a shame

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:26:45 2013 No.4223431

>>4223425
i assumed that was just college hipsters who enjoy tao lin. p sure tao lin is a fad at best

she also talked about the mindless culture we live in which is a waste of time considering there was never a golden period of culture, it was always shit

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:27:44 2013 No.4223436
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>>4223351
Baseless ad hominem on /lit/, I never thought I'd see the day...

>>4223347
You just corroborated both my thesis and hers. Congrats.

>>4223350
Your two stated metrics for judging her formatting are whether or not they are attractive to readers and whether or not there is content behind her obfuscating (I wouldn't call it innovating). You may be right about the latter. The first time that her blog was pointed out to me was two weeks ago, and I binged for a bit but didn't find much substance. Her views on economics are laughably unsupported (by, like, any factual evidence) and her vision of orgies curing the world, I mean, come on, why am I wasting my time defending it? It's tripe. That said, she can be clever when talking in an insulated form about literature, but her criticisms are simply regurgitating undergraduate-level feminist theory and pop feminism website (e.g. Jezebel) talking points gussied up with some 50 cent words to make herself seem smarter.

But as for the format scaring off readers? Seems hyperbolic. I'm sure you've received that chain email aobut how we can inetrrept msot wrods croceclty eevn if the iartenl ltretes are jlebumd, so lnog as the fsirt and lsat leetrts saty in psiotoin. Her quirks (mostly just haphazard capitalization) are significantly less convoluted than that so I don't see what's so offputting. But I have a skewed perspective. Then again, she's not exactly, despite all her high-minded egalitarian rhetoric, looking to draw in proles who aren't well read (but she's fighting so hard for their rights to be freegans and fuck all day...) so maybe I'm a representative sample of and not an outlier from her target demographic.

Regardless, there are other metrics by which to judge her writing style, and she doesn't come out looking bad in all of them, so I don't think it's really germane to discuss it. How about the fact that (though she has "plans") they are nebulous and under-researched? Isn't that cause enough to write her off?

The rapidity and vehemence with which posters are responding to this, especially at we-should-be-asleep a.m. (in the US, at least, I realize this board is heavily international), should be indicator enough of how buttmad she makes people. It's silly, but then again they're angry because she shows tits and simultaneously expresses an opinion. The audacity.

Pic related. Another individual that trolls the puerile man-children sticking their poorly-read noses into every useless discussion on this board. OH SHE'S A WHORE. Sure, she's not very clever, but inevitably threads about her devolve into ad hominem just like this one has.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:27:45 2013 No.4223434 Why aren't there any qt boy poets posting their bodies on the internet

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:35:32 2013 No.4223448 >>4223354 but that's a retarded point

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:35:32 2013 No.4223449 >>4223436 >haphazard capitalization And it isn't even haphazard, you can see she's either Capitalizing Initially For Emphasis or capitalizing at morpheme boundaries to highlight etymology (diseases becomes disEases)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:39:30 2013 No.4223459 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfqYjL05hFs p sure the girl is just dumb, lolrandom, nothing special please /lit/, next time get an interesting girl with well-thought out views for me to sexualize and call her my qt3.14/waifu.

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:52:30 2013 No.4223487

>>4223332
She's giving a chaotic message. What she wants to say is not clear. I'm not going to use my time trying to decipher the "true" message on that blog.

That's what I'm trying to say. People won't care because life is too short for that shit. Find another way to do it.

And I'm not a misogynistic; I didn't save the nudes, I only watched them. I didn't masturbate to them either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:57:33 2013 No.4223500 >>4223487 i looked at them while watching porn; somehow, that makes me a mysoginyst. i think this thread could serve a purpose, who is the best millennial writer if not tao lin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 04:57:33 2013 No.4223501 File: 113 KB, 1067x1600, DSC_1052.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who cares

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:00:34 2013 No.4223507 I'm not giving you my energy, you witch. Accept the love of Jesus in your heart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:01:34 2013 No.4223509 >>4223501 don't you feel bad for her kid though? you could have saved her, /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:16:33 2013 No.4223526 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krQbzYxKYNI

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:33:50 2013 No.4223554

I read her mini-autobiography. Apparently she is borderline. Judging by her life story it definitely seems legit and not self-diagnosed.
I can see glimmers of some pretty sound stuff behind the chaotic mess created by her disorder. Unfortunately, the massively powerful pulsions that exist in these people often drown out anything of value. Their psychic universe can be quite crushing

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:36:51 2013 No.4223560 >>4223509 You sound like the type that falls for prostitutes and tries to save them. Her kid will be fine, she will be fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:44:51 2013 No.4223581 >>4223554 people with personality disorders can use their disorder to their advantage in the arts, i wouldn't feel too bad for her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:47:51 2013 No.4223590 >>4223581 True enough, just as long as their structure allows them to. She seems to be one of the luckier ones.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:49:51 2013 No.4223594 I think she's an extremely boring narcissist with absolutely zero in the way of interesting/useful ideas. I don't care about her naked pictures, I don't care about her web 1.0 blog. Don't pay attention to her. She's not worth your time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:51:51 2013 No.4223596 >>4223554 can you post her autobiography? i've never seen a borderline autobiography

Anonymous Tue Oct 29 05:58:51 2013 No.4223605

>>4223596

Ugh don't make me dig through that ironic mess of a blog again. It's in the sidebar on the left somewhere. It's actually a post about her sexual life.
tl'dr: reactive hyper sexuality, drug abuse, emotional void, very erratic lifestyle, extremely unhealthy ways of interacting with other people

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 06:15:39 2013 No.4223624 >>4223605 ty for the tl;dr

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 10:53:42 2013 No.4224130 >>4223509 This is more of a white knight attitude than anyone else in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 10:55:42 2013 No.4224132 >64 posts and 7 image replies omitted. Click here to view. If you actually know/care who this is please stop posting kill yoruself, ta

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 12:43:24 2013 No.4224353 >>4223192 Why are you ashamed? Embrace your sexuality. I did it too and I'm going to go for a second round now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 12:46:25 2013 No.4224359 >>4223501 Is that a tranny? Fucker has no hips. >>4223436 andrae pls

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 12:51:24 2013 No.4224371 >>4223118 Yes it is, moron. Pynchon wasn't just inserting capital letters everywhere for laughs, he was emulating the grammar and tone of the time the novel is set in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 12:52:24 2013 No.4224373 Reading her site makes me want to become a Conservative.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 12:57:24 2013 No.4224379 >>4223150 What success? I've never heard of any of these people. I doubt more than 5,000 people have, either. They're not 'successful' to anyone but those who swim in shallow pool of alt-lit society.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 12:58:24 2013 No.4224381 This is not literature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 29 14:06:45 2013 No.4224497 Who is she? What is her problem? Why is there a fuss about here in /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 02:18:43 2013 No.4226103 >>4224132 >being informed and opinionated about modern literary circles >a good reason to kill yourself Why do you think this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 02:33:43 2013 No.4226120 I read that article about Tao Lin she did and that wasn't too bad. you guys are blowing this whole thing up

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 02:58:34 2013 No.4226136 >>4224381 go to bed, Cormac McCarthy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 06:25:18 2013 No.4226415 >>4224381 time to sleep, Jonathan Franzen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 08:21:40 2013 No.4226561 >>4224497 >Who is she? blogger / alt lit hanger on >What is her problem? borderline personality disorder >Why is there a fuss about here in /lit/? boobs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 12:24:39 2013 No.4226888 >>4226561 >boobs Legs for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 12:29:39 2013 No.4226905 word salad. schizophrenia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 13:45:42 2013 No.4227063 huh she used to live in Victoria where I live now. >21 Years Old :Move to Victoria, BC. Have Lots of Casual Sx with Men I meet at Bars. Shit I could have fucked her. She's so crazy she's probably insane in the sack

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 20:38:44 2013 No.4227984 Stop it guys you're empowering Andrea! facebook dot com slash andrea.coates.50

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 20:44:45 2013 No.4227998 She seems like a cunt. I'll just stick to Tao.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 20:51:46 2013 No.4228014 >>4223298 whatdyou think?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 20:58:47 2013 No.4228025 >>4223034 >If nothing means anything, and therefore, I can do whatever I want, why not do the best thing possible? >implying possibility of determination of best under such circumstances dis bitch dum

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Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:07:46 2013 No.4228039

>>4223156
if you cannot see ANY of the MANY purposes to her blog and writing, you are approaching lit quite densely. there is a lot going on, and while it's not all original, it is more than discord. she has opinions, she takes sides, and while convoluted, is not obscurist by any means. she matches scattered complex problems with scattered often complex writing.

she has very specific essays on a variety of topics, including the role of literature in challenging the audience, and the perception of being challenged when you are not. it's not going to be pretty, and you may be strapped to a chair if you want to participate, but you are free to enjoy other forms of lit porn if you like at any time. but don't say she didn't warn you.

coda: I don't think she's an alt-lit barnacle. If anything, she rises above it and happens to be tangentially involved. It in no way defines her views or style. I'm not even sure if ALtlit is the best venue for her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:07:46 2013 No.4228042 >>4223030 I found this shit from /sci/, what the fuck am I reading?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:08:47 2013 No.4228047 >>4223030 Stop throwing your trash on our board

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>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:12:08 2013 No.4228056 this is the worst blogsite I've ever come across

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:15:08 2013 No.4228060 File: 189 KB, 1067x1600, DSC_0801.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i hear she use to do gangbangs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:15:08 2013 No.4228062 >>4228029 >a few seconds ago This is the worst kind of viral marketing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:15:08 2013 No.4228064 the raymond roussel of feminists. will take some modern foucault to see some aesthetic value in her insanity.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:18:08 2013 No.4228069 i heard you guys like slam poetry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDISaRQO8w

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:18:08 2013 No.4228070 >>4228029 I was going to say "go to bed andrea" but you know what? I don't even want this to be a meme just fuck off

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:19:07 2013 No.4228074 File: 220 KB, 1280x853, tumblr_mlkjsk5Yb41ry4r4yo1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] andrea, talk sexy to us

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:20:07 2013 No.4228077 >>4223605 >emotional void You didn't read any of it did you

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:22:07 2013 No.4228079 >>4228042 wait, how?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:26:08 2013 No.4228086 File: 9 KB, 104x126, not_sure_bout_this.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4228074 >those fat outty lips

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:33:08 2013 No.4228101

>>4228029
Hey Andrea. I hardly think everything here is hate.
In my possibly-to-be-ignored opinion, I think you're a pretty good writer.
Although why you're on 4chan caring about what people say confuses me. You could show 4chan Milton and get ten "edgy"s.
You don't have to have mass approval. You can just be liked by people who like you and accept that some people won't.
Or not. I genuinely mean "Or not." I don't think it matters either way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:40:08 2013 No.4228119 >>4228029 Thread confirmed for commercial spam/advertising.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:41:08 2013 No.4228121 >>4223030 Delete thread OP, don't give her the satisfaction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 21:43:09 2013 No.4228127 >>4228029 >only 7 likes you'll be sure to get more after your viral marketing campaign

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:01:09 2013 No.4228164 File: 249 KB, 666x600, 1376169510847.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4223030 >look at her >i can fap to this >she has a kid >feel awful for him/her >i don't want to deal with these feels thanks /lit/

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:04:08 2013 No.4228170 File: 72 KB, 551x464, stayoutofmylife.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can you assholes please stay off my fucking facebook feed It's embarrassing to admit i spend 4 hours a day here

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:05:08 2013 No.4228171
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>>4228164
What's the orientation for feeling bad for a person you don't know? Either get to know him and influence his life positively, or get over your emotions. Everything about what you just did was unproductive, wasteful, and weak.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:07:08 2013 No.4228176 >>4228171 I bet you play a dark elf assasin every time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:09:08 2013 No.4228179 >>4228171 you sure got this figured out huh

>>	« 零 » !vAFhebe0D6!!cLIbuDbY2e6 Wed Oct 30 22:11:09 2013 No.4228184 >>4228171 IT IS CALLED "PATHOLOGICAL ALTRUISM". "PATHOLOGICAL ALTRUISM" IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY OF HUMANITY'S WOES.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:12:07 2013 No.4228188 Bullkowski was a more interesting /lit/ figure than this bitch appears to be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:14:07 2013 No.4228190 File: 29 KB, 356x600, zuloaga_anchorite.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4228171 Compassion is never unproductive silly, it's always another step towards the good life.

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:14:07 2013 No.4228191

>>4228176
No I play a blond Breton brawler.

>>4228179
your sarcastic reply sure elevates you to a position of moral sainthood, don't it?

>>4228184
I'm glad I'm not the only one who understands that reason is always the most valuable.

That name for the concept is apt and accurate. Will reuse.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:15:07 2013 No.4228193 >>4228190 Then you'll have compassion for my lack of compassion, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:16:08 2013 No.4228194 >>4228164 I wonder of the state of her internet presence is enough to call child support. Seems mentally unstable enough to warrant measures being taken. I feel sick to my stomach thinking of this borderline bitch raising a child.

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:16:08 2013 No.4228195

She has a fuckable body but nothing really special. Face is below average. The fact that she acts like a loony means every idiot on this God forsaken Earth thinks he has a chance to stick his weiner between her sugar walls. I can't deny that she seems to be the type that I'd like to brutalize just for the fun of it. It's a kind of a litmus test - are you faking it or are you for real? If she starts crying then you'd know it's all a charade. Unless she enjoys crying that is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:18:08 2013 No.4228197 >>4228193 I actually do. This muh efficiency, productivity, being strong and rational and hard attitude often leads to unhappy and shitty lives.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:18:08 2013 No.4228199 >>4228195 If she starts crying, then you've stuck a wedge in your emotions and you're free to swing your hammer wildly and inflict serious emotional damage. What a glorious opportunity, one that every self-respecting man would take.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:19:08 2013 No.4228201 >>4228191 >your sarcastic reply sure elevates you to a position of moral sainthood, don't it? you don't explain to the puppy why it shouldn't eat the couch you tell it off and eventually it'll learn

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:20:08 2013 No.4228206

>>4228197
I didn't criticize altruism, and if you had a modicum of reasoning skills you'd understand this. I'm criticizing emotions without action, not emotions with action. If you feel like being the next Saint Nicholas, be my guest. You'll be a self-actualizing person of respect and authority, and no longer an inefficient waste.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:21:08 2013 No.4228211 >>4228201 Then go fuck yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:21:08 2013 No.4228212 >>4223203 >those moments where you see pictures of young in a certain way people and can tell how they will look when they're old

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:23:07 2013 No.4228217 >>4228184 >>4228191 tips fedora to you and to everyone else in this thread for good measure

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:23:07 2013 No.4228218 >>4228195 If she's crying, then you've stuck a wedge in her emotions, to which you're free to swing your hammer and inflict serious emotional damage. It's a route acceptable to any respectable man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:25:08 2013 No.4228220 >>4228206 sometimes people can't actually choose their emotions and sometimes emotions are caused by events one has no control over and it's very rarely productive to do anything about said events

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:25:08 2013 No.4228223

>>4228171
>>4228194
look seriously fuck all of you. she can raise her kid like she wants. there is nothing inherently wrong with her. the only thing weird is that she'll be brainwashing her kid a little differently than everyone else's parents do.

how she raises her kid is not for you to decide. believe it or not, people have survived growing up with 'radical' beliefs (tbh i think most of her opinions are all pretty palatable).

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:27:08 2013 No.4228229

>>4228220
Yes, you can absolutely control your emotions. Testosterone suppresses emotions. Your testosterone levels are easily controllable through behavior.

Lacking emotions is the optimal masculine state. Therefore, you should religiously practice testosterone maximization.

You've been fed the lie of helplessness.

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:29:08 2013 No.4228234

>>4228206
When I said that compassion is never unproductive because it's always another step towards the good life, I meant that the feeling of compassion is useful to the person who feels it, even though he isn't able to act on it at all times. When you call it emotion without action you are oversimplifying. Feeling compassion without being able to act on it immediately will have an effect on later situations. It's training basically. One of the reasons why reading fiction is beneficial as well. People who will allow themselves to feel compassion if when they are powerless will end up generally more compassionate and less hateful people with both a greater understanding, a greater source of motivation to help others and a greater chance at happiness. The approach you suggest, suppression feelings when you don't think they are practical at the moment, leads to a fragmented and half hearted existence.

>>	sunhawk !M9PhF5nIzs Wed Oct 30 22:29:08 2013 No.4228235 >>4228223 8/10 decent troll..

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:30:08 2013 No.4228237 >>4228223 we're not saying it's the worst thing that's happened just slightly depressing

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:30:08 2013 No.4228239 File: 110 KB, 738x462, lapresse_sandra_mondaini[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4228212

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:30:08 2013 No.4228241 >>4228223 If I don't respect her autonomy to raise a child, then I'm disrespecting myself to let her. You can live by laissez-faire morality, but I don't. I'll be the great one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:31:08 2013 No.4228244 >>4228234 Nah that's just a massive waste of time and energy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:32:08 2013 No.4228246 File: 251 KB, 640x480, riot-police_9-2-08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4228223 >she can raise her kid like she wants Except she can't, since there are laws made to protect children against people like her. Thank God.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:32:08 2013 No.4228247 I like my regurgitated post-shamanism to be comic book form. >>4228176 >>4228191 >not sword-and-board imperial I bet you didn't even kill Twice-Vehk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:33:08 2013 No.4228249 >>4228244 It doesn't take much time and energy not to suppress feelings of empathy because you deem them impractical.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:36:08 2013 No.4228253 >>4228229 >>>/returnofkings/

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:36:08 2013 No.4228254

>>4228249
My contention is that all emotion should be rationally understood, in which case the emotion and reaction time should be very short.

If you dwell and don't act on emotion, then you are simply weak and mediocre.

If you disagree, then you are simply rationalizing the inability to act in heavy situations as some sort of quality. The aforementioned concept is only describable with the word "pretentious", as it is entirely wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:37:08 2013 No.4228258 >>4223459 it looks so weird without music...

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:39:07 2013 No.4228266 >>4228246 I go to a folk music festival in the middle of the woods every summer where all the old hippies take their toddlers to inhale the weed smoke. I've met parents with stranger ideas, trust me. captcha: resseti classes

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:39:07 2013 No.4228267
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>>4228223
>In hospital waiting room
>mother with young boy sitting across from me
>child begins to wail incessantly, so a nurse gives him a little toy truck
>he begins to accessorize it
>nurse says "Its not a barbie sweetie it's a truck"

>the boy didn't know what a truck was

I find myself increasingly attracted to becoming a reactionary with every passing day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:41:07 2013 No.4228271 >>4228267 'Sall good as long as you're not a conservative. The status quo is always shit and must always be changed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:42:08 2013 No.4228272 >>4228029 how does it feel that your breasts are the only thing between you and total irrelevancy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:43:08 2013 No.4228277 >>4228223 she is going to let her kid choose it's gender and instead of him or her, use yo. That little boy is going to smash the patriarchy and he is going to like it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:44:08 2013 No.4228279 >>4228272 She is already totally irrelevant, though.

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:46:07 2013 No.4228281
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she's dancing around something and she's squirming in any direction she can to do it, i think it's cute.

it's just an emerging brand of new sincerity. the fact that most of you'll gawk at the suggestion is proof enough hah.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:50:46 2013 No.4228299 Hey Andrea, how 'bout posting more porn? I have a headcold, I need to be twice-turgid for maximum patriarchy.

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:51:46 2013 No.4228300

>>4228254
You merely don't understand how experienced emotions can be used as fuel for personal growth and to better oneself even if that emotion doesn't serve as stimulus for an immediate action. If you really took a rational approach you should know dwelling on emotion in certain ways can actually transform you. You're taking an overly simplified approach to everything. Dwelling in those experiences is precisely what prepares people 'to act in heavy situations'.

Not to mention that without the tendency to dwell in emotions you won't dwell in happiness either and become merely stuck in your habit of using feelings as a tool towards some arbitrarily defined goal, passing life itself by as you fawn after goal after goal without ever achieving satisfaction. People who take an overly pragmatic approach to life end up like broken machines.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:53:46 2013 No.4228306 >>4228300 TL;DR seriously. I've made my point. I'm right, move on. You can't convince me with some convoluted lofty moral argument. I don't believe in morality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:57:17 2013 No.4228319 >>4228306 10/10 stringed me on all along good luck further misinterpreting Genealogy of Morals and shitposting about it

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:58:17 2013 No.4228322 >>4228306 >I don't believe in morality. lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 22:59:17 2013 No.4228323 http://www.dshs.wa.gov/dcs/contact.asp So this one?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:01:18 2013 No.4228333 >>4228319 >Genealogy of Morals What is that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:02:18 2013 No.4228336 >>4228333 judging by the title, i'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a genealogy of morals

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:04:18 2013 No.4228341 File: 372 KB, 830x1245, tumblr_mlj9b0iWzP1ry4r4yo1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] give us a show, andrea

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:05:18 2013 No.4228343 >>4228319 >>4228322 As long as we're making sweeping generalizations, how did those likes for Kony2012 turn out?

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:12:18 2013 No.4228365

>>4228246
really? what (canadian) law is that?

>>4228241
one of the more common reasons justifying moral and cultural violence

seriously all this thread has done is show how desperately 4chan needs an andrea coates, and how worthy people are of criticism in that vein.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:13:18 2013 No.4228368 >>4228246 also seriously like fuck that. there are so many non-andrea coates things wrong with this post. the role of law is not to 'protect' people from raising their kid to think against it.

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:14:18 2013 No.4228370

>>4228365
I've never advocated violence. I simply made the point that "feeling bad" about something is entirely counter-productive if that emotion leads to no real action. The fact that you can't comprehend this is astonishing, because it is fundamentally correct.

The argument that "feeling bad" is somehow morally just is not correct.

>>	Andrea Coates Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:17:17 2013 No.4228382 I wish she would do more nude erotic type photos!!! Smarts and sex is just great

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:21:17 2013 No.4228398

>>4228370
what? you are talking past me, bro. like, having a different conversation.

I totally agree that you can act as you wish in the world, especially on actions based on real emotional and thoughtful reflection. I would not argue against that in any sweeping way. I was pointing out that your reasoning is a common sort of 'violent metaphysics'. Redoubled by the attitude that you know what is "fundamentally correct". This "I'm not being true to myself if I don't stop an other and their truth" self-glorifying. As someone getting their doctorate in science, I doubt that these kinds of structures CAN even have something FUNDAMENTALLY correct about them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:24:18 2013 No.4228404 File: 539 KB, 1280x1265, tumblr_meh7o6FR231ry4r4yo1_1280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] funny that she is still posting as anon

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:24:18 2013 No.4228407

>>4228370
seems to me you're saying we should instantly act on all matters that cause an emotional response which is simply impossible
you can take what you learn from contemplating your emotions and use that knowledge in decisions regarding your own life and people you care about

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:27:23 2013 No.4228413 she put this on her facebook lol troll harder oh sex positive privileged one

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:29:17 2013 No.4228421
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>>4228368
Those children partake in society. If one raises one's child in such a way that it can't exist in society without major social problems and cognitive dissonance willingly, one sacrifices one's child for one's own ideology. It's a form of child abuse. She's basically planning on pulling a Prussian Blue on the other side of the spectrum. Scarring kids for life isn't part of your freedums.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:30:17 2013 No.4228423 even a "'good'" 4chan board like /lit/ is full of revolting misogyny lmbo

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:31:17 2013 No.4228425

>>4228398
>appealing to autonomous authority
You collapse on yourself at this point. If a person does not have a moral compass and does not feel emotion, there is no such thing as morality for them. This means that civilized society needs to exterminate them or realize that morality as a concept is meaningless control.

It doesn't matter what you say, I know I'm right because a moral reason cannot influence my behavior.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:33:18 2013 No.4228430 >>4228423 most men think like this, 4chan just gives them the cloak of anonymity. expressing this in real life would get you chastised and shamed by overly enthusiastic pitbull feminists and beta white knights.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:34:18 2013 No.4228432 >>4228407 Or you can work at suppressing emotion and think rationally.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:35:18 2013 No.4228435 >>4228423 >>4228430 Everyone who's powerful does this. Machiavelli, bitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:37:18 2013 No.4228437 She isn't even close to Kathy Acker who I wish were alive to read this drivel Fuck this attention whore

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:38:18 2013 No.4228440 >>4228432 well for me, as well as humanity in general i believe, emotion is the driving force of our sentient existence and need not be rationalized although it's certainly interesting to think about them

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:38:18 2013 No.4228441 >>4228430 In real life this bitch would be dismissed as a mentally unstable attention whore by almost everyone, including actual feminists. Tumblr doesn't reach much further than 4chan in real life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:39:17 2013 No.4228443 >>4228440 >emotion is the driving force of our sentient existence No. the talented leaders of all time are simply extremely talented at reading, using, and manipulating emotion. If you don't comprehend this, you'll never be a powerful person.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:40:17 2013 No.4228444 >>4228432 To what end? What are you hoping to get out of life if not feels?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:40:17 2013 No.4228446 >>4228444 Power.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:44:18 2013 No.4228451 >>4228443 i'm sure they are very good at those things i understand that how it relates to anything discussed however i don't really get

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:45:18 2013 No.4228454 >>4228446 Why do you want power?

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:46:19 2013 No.4228456

>>4228441

Claiming to have had sex with fifty people and in your early twenties and clearly free to basically show yourself in compromised positions is using shock tactics and not relying on the written word itself.

Be Anais Nin, not Sasha Gray. You can be sexual and dirty and creepy and retain an aura of respectability as an artist

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:48:17 2013 No.4228457

>>4228421
no. you are scary. stop.

the onus is not on the parent in this way. the child abuse is the fact that we can't pull it together to have a society that would be accepting of a (harmless) dissonant. the sacrifice is that society will continue to ignore the existence of its own ideology and only acknowledge a problem in the face of difference.

how's this for un-child abuse. don't. fucking. lie. to. your. kids.

for example: for me it's irresponsible not to tell your kids that cops can be dangerous people, too. that they should not be afraid to know their rights and try to keep evidence of interaction with authority. it's also irresponsible to not tell your daughter what she will be up against, and what is in place concerning views of women in society, especially when they must sit opposite a man whether politically, in court, or applying for research positions. this probably falls under 'cognitive dissonance', and with your logic should be prohibited. get the fuck away from me.

'social problems' are not one sided and it is pretty dogmatic to claim that it is. also, someone can raise an aware dissident who is not nonfunctioning in society. do you really think this is impossible? given like, I dunno, the incredible variety of culture in space and history, and the incredible arbitrariness of the one that exists locally now?

Anonymous Wed Oct 30 23:56:17 2013 No.4228475

>>4228425
>greentexts a quote from me that doesn't exist
>responds to autonomous authority and concept of personal moral compass that I didn't mention at all
>civilized society needs to exterminate them
>it doesn't matter what you say, I know I'm right

cool. there is nothing left to be done with you, except maybe suggest that you try to read some philosophy other than whatever you're shoving in your head now. try exploring concepts opposite your views and appreciating them for their own values.
for example, try addressing someone on what they actually said, not your reductionist interpretation of it.

you would make a terrible scientist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:00:18 2013 No.4228481 >>4228430 think like what? looking down on women? not seeing them as equals? that's each man's shortsightedness which, if he possesses it, is his responsibility.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:04:17 2013 No.4228486

>>4228423
/lit/ is not actually a good 4chan board. /mu/ is pretty sane when it comes to social issues, /lit/ is full of self-important white anarchists and Marxists who think their theories are more important than people's lives. But at least it's not /pol/ (and can put up a decent fight against /pol/ when the time comes).

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:05:17 2013 No.4228487 also: >>4228370 >i've never advocated violence >>4228425 >civilized society needs to exterminate them are you getting a sense now of 'violent metaphysics'?

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:09:17 2013 No.4228492

Never heard of her until just now. I would say that the people suggesting her nudes and her DaDaist style both undermine her writing credibility are wrong.

While reading her blog or whatever, I kept imagining the writing without the dada and without the nudes. And I think I would be less compelled by her writing in such a case.

First, the pictures of her naked do more than symbolize her rebellion or comfort with sexuality or any of the stock political reasons for posting on the internet that almost all of you assume. They also add a level of honesty, of personal disclosure; when Coates is talking about 'authenticity' I'm compelled to believe her rather than necessarily roll my eyes, partly because the message and writing itself is no doubt as sincere as any blogger, but also because her meta discourse and multi-layered theses that "dig deep" into the universally political and social by closely examining the particularly personal are only reinforced by her willingness to expose her tits and vag (I'm dead serious, think about it faggot).

The Dada style reinforces what she refers to as playfulness, which is a really good vessel for bourgeois feminism Ive decided. She is "as oppressed as she is free," and I think so many serious, well-conceived and otherwise compelling feminist arguments implying that women in N America or most of western Europe are the primary and most devastated targets of patriarchy are in fact /undermined/ by being so serious. Who really is convinced that City Hipster Girl really has it all that bad compared to say victims of US jingoism (a manifestation of male patriarchy)? The playfulness definitely adjusts audience expectation, and is an excellent rhetorical device.

Anyway, better than anything you could come up with.

This is a complete endorsement of this writer, and I will continue to read.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:10:17 2013 No.4228496
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>>4228457
>the onus is not on the parent in this way. the child abuse is the fact that we can't pull it together to have a society that would be accepting of a (harmless) dissonant. the sacrifice is that society will continue to ignore the existence of its own ideology and only acknowledge a problem in the face of difference.
That's not going to realistically happen ever. Therefore the next best thing is to not have your child be nonconformist to a degree that is damaging to it.

>for example: for me it's irresponsible [...] get the fuck away from me.
It's also irresponsible not to let your child know that it will be bullied, discriminated against and possibly physically abused if it acts in certain ways. Might not be always just, but it is how it is. Martyring your own child to make an idealistic point is irresponsible. Martyr yourself, not your kid.

>'social problems' are not one sided and it is pretty dogmatic to claim that it is. also, someone can raise an aware dissident who is not nonfunctioning in society. do you really think this is impossible? given like, I dunno, the incredible variety of culture in space and history, and the incredible arbitrariness of the one that exists locally now?
I don't think it's impossible, but I certainly don't think it will be pulled off by people such as this bitch mentioned in the OP. Dissidence is a delicate game. I would never forgive myself for throwing a child into existence and proceeding to deliberately making it incompatible with it's environment to the point of instilling intense suffering in the child.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:13:18 2013 No.4228502

>>4228492
I agree. If one examines the capitalist paradigm of discourse, one is faced with a choice: either accept capitalist situationism or conclude that expression is a product of communication. The characteristic theme of the works of Coates is the common ground between narrativity and society. In a sense, several sublimations concerning modern deappropriation exist.

“Class is meaningless,” says Debord; however, according to la Fournier, it is not so much class that is meaningless, but rather the fatal flaw, and eventually the paradigm, of class. The primary theme of Geoffrey’s critique of capitalist situationism is a mythopoetical totality. Thus, Baudrillard uses the term ‘subdialectic deconstructivist theory’ to denote the role of the poet as reader.

The main theme of the works of Pynchon is not theory, but posttheory. The characteristic theme of Dahmus’s analysis of capitalist discourse is the difference between truth and class. However, if subdialectic deconstructivist theory holds, the works of Pynchon are not postmodern.

The primary theme of the works of Pynchon is a self-fulfilling paradox. Thus, Lacan suggests the use of the capitalist paradigm of discourse to challenge the status quo.

The subject is contextualised into a neopatriarchial paradigm of narrative that includes sexuality as a totality. But the example of subdialectic deconstructivist theory depicted in Andrea's Half Mil is also evident in V.

Cultural rationalism holds that language serves to oppress minorities, but only if Sartre’s essay on subdialectic deconstructivist theory is valid. In a sense, Lyotard uses the term ‘capitalist situationism’ to denote not narrative, but postnarrative.

Baudrillard promotes the use of subcapitalist theory to deconstruct sexual identity. Therefore, Werther states that the works of Pynchon are modernistic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:17:17 2013 No.4228505 File: 1.48 MB, 280x210, 1331388315342.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4228492 >>4228502 laughed/10

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:18:17 2013 No.4228508 >>4228502 Truly sad that you found that post at all pretentious. Don't think there is a single idea there that couldn't be easily understood if you actually read what I was critiquing.

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Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:20:17 2013 No.4228513

>>4228496
and who do you think will be doing the bullying, discriminating, and abuse? surely these crazy dissidents! or maybe the people we're not allowed to talk about.

good plan.

maybe I've just been lucky finding like-minded people, but not only standing up for how you want to live your life, but also actively helping to create an environment where it is safe (but not unchallenged) has always been part and parcel of what I'm doing with my life. You don't have to make anyone a martyr.

I don't think a true dissident of the form andrea is interested in (though i can't be sure) would be fundamentally incompatible with anyone. i'm not sure if it can be said the other way around. a dissident doesn't mean you hate everyone who accepts the hostile status quo, it just means you don't.

captcha: antiquarian wsntif

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:23:17 2013 No.4228516 >>4228513 ahah, and by 'interested in' I obviously meant "rearing"

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:27:17 2013 No.4228519
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>>4228513
>and who do you think will be doing the bullying, discriminating, and abuse? surely these crazy dissidents! or maybe the people we're not allowed to talk about.
>good plan.
Which plan? I'm describing, not suggesting.

>maybe I've just been lucky finding like-minded people, but not only standing up for how you want to live your life, but also actively helping to create an environment where it is safe (but not unchallenged) has always been part and parcel of what I'm doing with my life. You don't have to make anyone a martyr.
Yes you have. Check your privilege.

>I don't think a true dissident of the form andrea is interested in (though i can't be sure) would be fundamentally incompatible with anyone. i'm not sure if it can be said the other way around. a dissident doesn't mean you hate everyone who accepts the hostile status quo, it just means you don't.
To put it blunty, the little bitch boy raised by a person like her will get stomped repeatedly and be dismissed by anyone from peers to authority figures and will be severely maladjusted. That's not even taking the fact that his classmates will show each other pictures of his mom's swollen cuntlips on their phones into consideration. Being the child of someone with a public persona as that of hers is abuse per definition.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:28:17 2013 No.4228521 >>4228513 just tell the kid "this is what you do if you wanna fit in" and "this is what happens if you don't" and he'll make up his own mind on how to live his life

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:29:17 2013 No.4228523 >>4228521 He gets to choose between mommy's love and a world of pain. Nice dilemma for four year old.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:41:18 2013 No.4228533 >>4228523 what i mean is it's the parents' responsibility to keep their kids safe and happy the best they can and inform them how the world works i don't mean you teach them life in one sitting

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc Thu Oct 31 00:46:18 2013 No.4228543
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why do you guys hate alt lit?

It's like the only thing our generation has created in terms of writing.

also
>tfw no qt literary gf who has good taste in punk music and smokes cigarettes

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:47:18 2013 No.4228544 >>4228533 I agree, but if they fail to do so they should lose their kids. And the woman in question fails already.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:48:18 2013 No.4228546 >>4228543 I think we hate it because by common sense we should be the ones who love it most

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:49:17 2013 No.4228548 >>4228543 Alt Lit is what stuffy old professors think we should like. Fuck those ivory tower jerks, I like the Greeks!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:49:18 2013 No.4228547 >>4228543 is this another one? on another note; why so many feminists in this thread? 3rd wave feminism is a bit shite.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:50:17 2013 No.4228549 >>4228544 oh so we agree brilliant, unexpected and slightly confusing >>4228546 >>4228543 i read the wikipedia page on alt lit earlier and i still don't know what it is

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:53:18 2013 No.4228551 >>4228549 experimental writing based around the internet and internet culture.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:55:17 2013 No.4228555

>>4228519
so no one who has been naked in public can have kids ever? Kate Winslet's about to have a kid. I suppose that's child abuse because she's been naked in a few movies (pictures which kids are much more likely to find and pass around on phones than of Andrea Coates).

also how do you know she will raise a little bitch boy? If anything, she'll probably raise them to be strong and have courage (and hopefully an active reader and thinker). I was and am still a weird kid. I've maintained respect from professors and peers by working my ass off, staying sharp as fuck in my studies, doing good research, and standing my ground. You are just being defeatist if you think anyone who does this will be dismissed if they disagree with patriarchy, drug policy, and Tao Lin (which are pretty much the radical views which will make the kid maladjusted - don't forget who you're talking about and what she actually says and does).

also, this characterization makes it seem that anything the kid's parents do in public that some people find shameful is abuse. while doing controversial things in public probably makes for a different, possibly difficult household, does not make it abuse. elliot spitzer fucked up and probably fucked up his family. but it wasn't child abuse. especially not denotatively.

Seriously tho, Andrea mostly writes about feminism, freedom with your body, drug policy, and literature. You really think teaching a kid about those things will fuck him up that bad? These the kind of things we are protecting children from? No wonder you have a bleak view about society becoming accepting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:55:17 2013 No.4228556 >>4228551 yeah it's just that i'm not sure i understand what that means

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:56:17 2013 No.4228557 >>4228548 lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:58:17 2013 No.4228561 >>4228029 Hi andrea! :3

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 00:59:17 2013 No.4228564 >>4228556 look up Steve Roggenbuck, Penny Goring, and try reading Tao Lin & Sam Pink in an unbiased way. They are writers with good ideas w/r/t social interaction/fears in 21st century/late Web 2.0 and are damn prolific.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:01:17 2013 No.4228568 >>4228086 Its only because shes pressing down.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:06:17 2013 No.4228576 >>4228564 why is it experimental?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:07:18 2013 No.4228579 File: 100 KB, 776x651, 1382985639001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] shes like a modern female Zizek aka mentally ill

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:08:18 2013 No.4228580 [DELETED]

hey /lit/ let's start a reactionary movement to alt-lit where we don't have an "act" and our twitter/tumblr/facebook is NOT as much an expression of our art as is our writing. We won't market ourselves as a "personality" that sort of runs alongside our writing, we will distance ourselves as much as possible from our writing, and let our ideas work for themselves in a closed system. We would be focused on correct grammar and clarity, and its defining philosophy would be naziism or something (jk)

we'll call it "prog-lit"!

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:10:18 2013 No.4228581

>>4228576
Roggenbuck and Goring utilize image macros and other internet business heavily--although Goring wrote a book The Zoom Zoom which, independent of the internet, reads something like Kathy Acker or William S Burroughs.

Tao Lin I would not say is experimental in an internet-using way, but his style of extremely sparse almost neutral-seeming word choice/interactions is interesting. He is just "good" at the internet.

Sam Pink is a hilarious sociopath. Also not super internet inspired though.

I actually don't feel that alt-lit strictly needs to be internet based, seems more like a small press movement imo.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:10:18 2013 No.4228584

>>4228556

Tao Lin is basically the god of alt-lit, and everyone is pretty much taking "inspiration" from him. all you have to do is go to his twitter page to get a taste of what it is like. There aren't any rule set in stone because, well, lots of writing that isn't alt-lit is experimental and based around internet culture

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:11:18 2013 No.4228586 >>4228502 >this is how /lit/ responds to serious discussion of writing

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:14:18 2013 No.4228589 >>4228580 this is great. this attitude along with >>4228586 is why I mainly left /lit/ when it started going really sour a few years ago. Andrea actually brought me back here, and I'm kind of pissed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:16:17 2013 No.4228590 >>4228584 That was true about a year ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:18:18 2013 No.4228594 >>4228581 >>4228584 i see feels like modern art in semi-literary form

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:26:18 2013 No.4228605 >>4223030 200 posts and no reports for commercial spam/advertising.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:28:18 2013 No.4228607 >>4228605 You really think she makes any money from her work?

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:37:17 2013 No.4228611

>>4228576
Because it isn't, DFW already predicted its advent in his Fictional Futures essay. Its a rehash of 90s ultra minimalist fiction and yuppie nihilism (like Bret Easton Ellis) except for contemporary times. The only difference is that its more viral and more schizophrenic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 01:37:18 2013 No.4228613 >>4228594 not a bad way of looking at it. there is some legitimately good stuff coming out of it imo and I feel excited that it exists while I am alive.

>>	OP Thu Oct 31 02:22:28 2013 No.4228657 Holy shit, went away for a couple days and my thread blew up. My first ever successful /lit/ thread. I should be happy... But I feel so empty.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 02:28:27 2013 No.4228666 >>4228271 was this a joke or do you not know the definition of reactionary?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 03:19:19 2013 No.4228694 Andrea Coates is the FUCKING TRUTH. I love her writing so much. I love how angry she makes so many of you in this thread. She is dangerous to the order you perpetuate and that's why you hate her. Hahahahahahah!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 03:33:18 2013 No.4228702 >>4228694 Nah, it's just that it was a lot of amateurish images interspersed with "feminism" and "alpha male". Noone goes to /lit/ for /b/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 04:17:08 2013 No.4228747 >>4228694 Andrea, why you forget your signature speLLing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 04:39:56 2013 No.4228765 >>4228694 >She is dangerous to the order you perpetuate To fight the Empire is to become the Empire.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 05:10:15 2013 No.4228792
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Surreal. I got linked to this thread through a post of a post of a post on FB. I went to highschool with this girl.

Well props to her on making 4chan mad I guess. It's a start.

>>4228657

Welcome to posting a thread on 4chan, the sad craigslist hook-up of internet writing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 05:13:14 2013 No.4228799 >>4228792 P C I S T H E M A S T E R R A C E

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 05:21:14 2013 No.4228815 File: 1.69 MB, 428x240, 1378700260283.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4228306 >I don't believe in morality.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 06:25:14 2013 No.4228870
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Guys stop it already. This is just not relevant.
Don't get caught in texts that don't talk TO YOU, about what you feel, what you think, what you're interested in, where you want to go...

Choose carefully what you want to read because one person has time to read only a few hundreds of books in his lifetime; you can't read all books, you can't read everything in the Internet.

"life is too short, dead is too long"
for this kind of shit, I mean

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 08:29:45 2013 No.4229027 >>4228074 Why the fuck is her bed so greasy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 08:30:45 2013 No.4229029 Stop posting pictures of your rancid cunt on 4chan and go feed your child, Andrea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 08:58:45 2013 No.4229068 Andrea, your site is terrible. But I am enjoying jerking it to your pictures.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 09:03:22 2013 No.4229078 Anyone got a link to more nude pics of her? I'd destroy her ass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 09:10:23 2013 No.4229087 >>4229078 A lot of the links about sex, on the sidebar, are pretty good

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 09:22:22 2013 No.4229102
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>>4228555
>so no one who has been naked in public can have kids ever? Kate Winslet's about to have a kid. I suppose that's child abuse because she's been naked in a few movies (pictures which kids are much more likely to find and pass around on phones than of Andrea Coates).
I hope you realise there is a difference between being a successful and respected actress who has a few tasteful (partial) nude shots as part of a work of fiction and some druggy slut who puts pictures of herself laying spread eagle ramming fingers up her cunt on her website. But I do think being a celebrity in almost any way tends to be harmful to one's children.

>also how do you know she will raise a little bitch boy? If anything, she'll probably raise them to be strong and have courage (and hopefully an active reader and thinker).
Because she's not merely 'different', she's a classic borderline case.

>also, this characterization makes it seem that anything the kid's parents do in public that some people find shameful is abuse. while doing controversial things in public probably makes for a different, possibly difficult household, does not make it abuse. elliot spitzer fucked up and probably fucked up his family. but it wasn't child abuse. especially not denotatively.
To an extent it is. I know and have known plenty people with controversial parents ranging from high level drug dealers to known musicians to plain old barefoot filthy hippies. They all suffered tremendously for it. Don't forget how ruthless kids are and how they will use anything they can get for their psychological warfare. There's a reason why a teen suicides after her nudes end up online. It's not because being seen nude in itself is so bad, it's because kids go to town with such a weak spot like a pack of wolves. Society will coax you into normality, and if you want to stand up against that it's fine. But forcing someone else to suffer the consequences for you is abusive.

>Seriously tho, Andrea mostly writes about feminism, freedom with your body, drug policy, and literature. You really think teaching a kid about those things will fuck him up that bad? These the kind of things we are protecting children from? No wonder you have a bleak view about society becoming accepting.
Look at how she profiles herself. If you put a child in school and it comes out that his mom is this thing, that's life over right there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 09:58:23 2013 No.4229189 File: 79 KB, 800x600, 1348123875944.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4223034 Jesus Christ that site design alone is an eyesore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 10:05:23 2013 No.4229213 >>4227063 I was in Victoria until last year. I have 3 mutual friends with her apparently.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 10:41:21 2013 No.4229331

>>4229102
I realize that there could be a judgment call marking a difference between 'respectable nudity' and 'tasteless nudity', but I think these are some of the things Andrea is showing are not a priori differentiated, and that this differentiation is not necessary nor sufficient. There are plenty of people who go to a movie with Kate Winslet just to see her naked, and the only difference is sustaining a guise.

I don't think she's borderline. I hope you realize that there is a difference between internet personality/brand and the idea that that person thinks there is a deontic order to make things difficult for everyone around them and their child.

If you haven't read her writing, I can see why you are making these judgments. But she isn't borderline nor really that different. As many people have said, her ideas aren't even necessarily that original.

After this, it seems more and more like you are just writing your personal rejection of anormative ways of living, where your idea of normative seems incredibly limited. I still don't think andrea will force the kid to do anything they don't want to do. If you are talking about the strong suggestion that comes with being a parent - then everybody's parents 'force' them to act a way, and I don't think that's anymore justifiable.

p much you are just showing that you would reject any kid who has someone like andrea as a parent. i am thinking you are from UK or something (realise?). northeast US/canada is maybe not as discriminatory as you hope.

politicians, porn stars, writers, drug dealers, hippies, and oh my god people who don't live in US or west euro have families which don't fit a limited normative view, and really when you total that against the few that actually make up the `society' that `coaxes' you into `normality' as something worth sustaining, it starts to feel very silly and vapid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 10:48:20 2013 No.4229346 >>4224353 >Embrace your sexuality >jerk off twice a day Mega lel.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 11:02:20 2013 No.4229368
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>>4229331
I'm not talking about my own opinions here, or how I think society should be, or if it's fair or preferable at all and all those others things. In fact I'm a fairly tolerant person from a very tolerant part of the world. I'm merely saying that society is a certain way and if you bring up your child in a matter that doesn't conform to that society enough growing up will be problematic to a traumatic degree.

Wilfully raising your child in such a way that he is bound to experience unnecessary trauma is child abuse in my eyes. People are mean cunts, especially kids. Whether you think it's silly that they are has little to do with it. Enjoy your child getting stomped on because he lacks the established binary conception of gender because you felt like you needed to make a point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 11:30:25 2013 No.4229420 File: 14 KB, 214x200, shade_ow_the_edge_log_by_estee93-d5na4dy.png.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4228306

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 11:43:25 2013 No.4229445 >>4229331 >But she isn't borderline She clearly is a textbook case. I'm not passing judgement or anything, but it is just the truth. I've associated with a lot of girls like that in the past.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 12:26:24 2013 No.4229556

>>4223030

>mfw hilarious hypocrisy of feminism + derogatory speak of "alpha males"
>etc.

Mental illness, man. It's a helluva drug.

The reason she gets to you is that what she's writing is shocking, with technical terms spattered in. Everything these revolutionary types write about is absolutely riddled with slippery slopes, ad hominem attacks, and most importantly, false cause. It seems plausible, but it's just insanity. Especially in this case.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 12:46:25 2013 No.4229621

>>4229556

::EDIT::

I just read her post on Tao Lin. It appears she does have a logical brain. However, there remains the simple shock value style that she loves to throw around to rustle people's jimmies. It worked for Miley and countless others, and it's clearly working for her.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 13:43:44 2013 No.4229750 >>4229621 "Has a brain" as in not completely incapable of stringing a few thoughts together, not as in has something interesting to say.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 13:51:45 2013 No.4229768 hey y'all here's my thoughts if u still go on 4chan ur not as intelligent as u think

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 13:55:45 2013 No.4229776 >>4229768 andrea pls go

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 13:56:45 2013 No.4229777 >>4229768 real talk nigga who is ur favorit gangsta rapper?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 13:57:44 2013 No.4229781 File: 9 KB, 300x330, laury.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want our actually smart and educated feminist nemesis back. Laury Penny seems so reasonable and tolerable in retrospect.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:00:44 2013 No.4229786 >>4229781 i'd also rather see her punani

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:01:44 2013 No.4229789 >>4229776 not andrea you mad? "All morons hate it when you call them a moron" - source this one /lit/ster

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:03:45 2013 No.4229796 >>4229786 That's because she's not a filthy whore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:05:45 2013 No.4229798 >>4229781 Laurie Penny is 2 qt

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:13:45 2013 No.4229806
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>>4229798
We didn't know what we had until it was gone.

Also, for anyone still doubting that this bitch is a bad parent: http://andreacoates.blogspot.ca/2013/07/meanwhile-irl.html

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:17:44 2013 No.4229811 >>4229621 >::EDIT:: go away alt-"lit"

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:18:44 2013 No.4229812 Wow. Carles has really changed his style.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:23:44 2013 No.4229814 File: 390 KB, 612x549, 1383225584174.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone else think Andrea Coates looks like her?

>>	sunhawk !M9PhF5nIzs Thu Oct 31 14:34:45 2013 No.4229823 File: 8 KB, 247x204, threadlove.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this thread the best thread fuck the rest threads

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:36:44 2013 No.4229825 File: 257 KB, 359x479, Anne-Hathaway1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] People like this exist. Not ironically. This is who they are and they exist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:37:44 2013 No.4229826 Feminism. Not even once.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:38:44 2013 No.4229830
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>>4229368
ok. p much done with this. I think there is a difference between brainwashing a kid to be willfully unilaterally dissident, and informing them enough to make decisions about it. you are clinging to an idea that the only way to raise a child allowing them the option of anti-establisment/patriarchic/etc. ideas is to pit them directly in opposition to all society. I don't think this is the case; it just means you have to be smart about it. most people are reactionary about something: sexual orientation, drug use, government policy, or even the western instantiation of liberty (a tough one to let go of), and usually dissident about others. Even where I'm originally from in Texas, things are turning pretty LGBT friendly in pockets. My best friend was gay, used to get bashed on, but rose to the top of his class, graduated college with 4 BAs (really) speaking 3 languages with a government job, generally praised by most people he works with. He is also fierce as fuck, and people generally have not fucked with him since he was 14 for these reasons. He and his/my friends are also pretty active in drug policy, and vocal about opinions on gender roles.

Also, pic related. This is not a (partial) nude.

For all this tolerance, you seem to be completely intolerant of Andrea Coates (who actually has pretty cogent valuable opinions on Tao Lin, Bret Easton Ellis, Jonathan Franzen, and others), and seem to believe that your tolerant part of the world would beat up any kid who doesn't accept that men should dominate women or that drug policy should be loosened.

I don't think all kids are necessarily as dumb or cruel as you would expect. That is a very unadaptive view of the human mind. For example, to follow up what someone mentioned about a Reverse Prussian Blue situation - follow up on those kids - they have totally reformed. I also don't hold the belief that society is a way so much as sustains a way for as long as it can. Violent discriminatory kids are often raised that way, which can only fade by parents showing their kids that there is another way.

It's not making a point. It is leading a conscientious life.

captcha: Salem mpayepl

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:42:45 2013 No.4229834 >>4229830 reported

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:44:26 2013 No.4229840 >>4229830 Pull your head out of your ass. Just pull it out bro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:45:24 2013 No.4229842 >>4229834 for what there are literally naked pictures of andrea all over this thread. also, that gets you banned on /sci/, i guess okay here?

>>	sunhawk !M9PhF5nIzs Thu Oct 31 14:47:24 2013 No.4229847 >>4229842 What have Kate Winslet ever written? Exactly! Checkmate etc. etc.... Captcha: rednigge Donaldson

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 14:48:24 2013 No.4229849 >>4229840 that's not an argument. I am also not making any sort of radical claim. I totally understand anon's point, and I do sympathize. But how is his head up his own ass any less? because you agree with him?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 15:09:43 2013 No.4229875 >>4228029 hahaha

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 15:32:46 2013 No.4229912 >>4229781 Eh, I never hated her enough to dub her "nemesis." She was just bothersome. Andrea Coates is far more worthy of our hatred.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 18:00:58 2013 No.4230172 thank you, critical theory we have been freed from the shackles of high art, good taste and canonicity

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 18:06:58 2013 No.4230185 >>4229912 But Coates doesn't bring enough to the table to be worthy of hate. She's more Ed the Hyena than Scar.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 18:35:32 2013 No.4230256 why is that threads like these always get a shit ton of responses (sasha grey, feminist-bashing bullshit) but when you actually ask about a specific book (that's not from ~/lit's essentials~ lol) you barely get any? fucking worthless board

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 18:39:32 2013 No.4230265 >>4230256 >waaaaah no-one wants to talk about my favorite hipster book, the one the dusty old creep from the local second-hand book store recommended while I wanked him off and ate custard creams and green tea fuck off you space of waste

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 18:43:31 2013 No.4230273 >>4229213 Did you go to UVic? I have 3 mutual friends with her too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 19:48:28 2013 No.4230560 >>4230256 Which book did you want to discuss? Place show your cards so we can smugly dismiss you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 19:54:28 2013 No.4230605 >>4230256 Other anons are dissing you but I've noticed the same exact thing. The community just sucks, 60-75% of the people who come here are just awful people and shitty readers, probably 18 years old.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 19:59:28 2013 No.4230627

>>4223063
An old SomethingAwful character/meme that Lowtax (SA's admin) used to portray, 4chan and others ran it into the ground over time.

http://www.somethingawful.com/hosted/jeffk/

If you ask me, it was never good. Proto-FYAD as performed by someone who's GBS at heart i.e. not funny.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 20:01:28 2013 No.4230633 File: 79 KB, 236x248, crying.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4230605 There are maybe 5 people on /lit/ at any given time. Sorry we haven't all happened to read whatever obscure novel you want to talk about. >pic related, it's you

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 20:02:28 2013 No.4230642 >>4230633 Being outside of the /lit/ reading list doesn't make a book obscure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 20:04:28 2013 No.4230650 >>4230642 What book do you want to talk about? There is no "/lit/ reading list" btw.

Anonymous Thu Oct 31 20:04:28 2013 No.4230653

>>4230605
eh, it comes and goes in waves, depending on which 4-6 of the 15-20 people who post regularly are on, and what mood they're in, and how many randoms are on

i don't think it's all 18 y.o.s tho, at least not the few good posters, certainly the dumb fuckers spamming bullshit in a thread like this, but that's the shit you just ignore

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 20:29:19 2013 No.4230693 Every time this thread goes back beyond page 2, I get hopeful that people will just stop responding to it, but here it is again. On the front page. There is no substantial discussion here. Please, just let it die.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 20:31:18 2013 No.4230696 >>4230693 He posts without saging... Nice going, you bumped the thread right back to the top of the front page. Are you a nigger? It would explain why you're so stupid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 21:13:18 2013 No.4230762 File: 110 KB, 453x640, 9410702868_767184821d_z.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4229806 Post Laurie Penny ITT

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 21:44:19 2013 No.4230816 >>4230762 I want to pinch her cheecks

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 31 21:45:18 2013 No.4230820 >>4230816 I want to pinch her cheeks

>>	Test Anonymous Fri Nov 1 07:52:03 2013 No.4231633 Test

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 07:59:03 2013 No.4231642 >>4231633 double nigger

Anonymous Fri Nov 1 17:20:00 2013 No.4232791

Many of the posts on here are of a personal nature about Andrea and her pictures and
attitude and self listing alone leads to discussions of a personal nature as
essentially this us all about her, thus personal.

Well I am an ex friend of hers that used to hang out with her all the time until she was a complete insane bitch to me. So I know all her stupid and dirty little secrets and want to tell them, she is no where near as cool (hah) as the persona she makes up and so desperately needs and craves the attention for others to pour upon her and tell her how great she us so as to feed her ego.

I tried posting her phone numbers and address but 4chan wouldn't let me because it kept saying it was spam so I read the rules (it's my first time here) and saw that there is a time against listing any personal info. But as I said thus whole thread is personal right up to the naked pics. So do you want to hear my dirt on her if not? How do I post it if the system won't let me? Should I just post it without the phone numbers and address?

Also how do I know that I can trust that I can post anonymously? I read in the FAQ that the mods still retain your IP. I tried posting with a dozen different web proxies and they either didn't work or were not allowed by 4chan. I just don't want to be giving out this info and having some mod contact Andrea and letting her know my IP or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 17:23:01 2013 No.4232794 >>4232791 Firstly you're being paranoid about it, it's highly unlikely there'd be any real repercussions if you posted her info. A ban, maybe. Secondly, we are not your personal army. No one is going to do anything with her info for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 17:25:01 2013 No.4232797 i don't know what the FUCK is going on in this thread she has nice tits though

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 17:26:00 2013 No.4232798 >>4232791 Don't be so paranoid, just tell your story. We don't want phone numbers and shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 17:29:01 2013 No.4232804 >>4232791 leave out her contact details but tell us the story. everything on 4chan is "fiction" and should be treated as such. go ahead. there will be no repercussions (especially for a non-entity like coates).

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 17:40:34 2013 No.4232828 >>4232791 >>4232794 >>4232797 >>4232798 >>4232804 NOOOOO WHY WON'T YOU JUST LET THIS TERRIBLE THREAD DIE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 17:46:34 2013 No.4232842 >>4232828 go to bed andrea

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 1 22:30:22 2013 No.4233541 >>4228870

Anonymous Fri Nov 1 23:37:25 2013 No.4233720

Andrea is the only one who wants this to die, she is scared you will find out that she nothing more than a herpes ridden retarded loser that has a 40 year old boyfriend named Jody Franklin that is mentally unstable (check out his YouTube videos) bad he looks like an obese grizzly Adams that never washes. And that is the penis she chooses to suck and ride and the person to take care of her baby (it's not his, Andrea is not even sure who the father is, she tried to get several different guys to own up and pay her money and none fell for her trucks or wanted anything to do with her batshit craziness)

Btw, I am not the above poster with all the dirt, so it's interesting that I am not the only one that knows stuff about this SJW princess. I am looking forward to hear what the other person has to say as I only know them from hanging out with them at an alternative bookstore they were always at.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 00:14:43 2013 No.4233841 File: 23 KB, 512x512, correct.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4233720 >Jody Franklin that is mentally unstable I think this is the new interior semiotics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMYsylg2v8Q

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 02:35:31 2013 No.4234081

That was his pre beard days, seriously he looks like grizzly Adams after a bad shroom trip now. Don't even want to imagine what his junk looks like but Andrea gobbles it down so hey, bonus for him for scoring a 20 something with a decent bod that loves the cock.

Andrea was always talking about their sex life (as you can tell from her blog his candid she us), we would be in the middle of eating or a polite group cinversation, nothing sexual and then out of the blue Andrea would start going off talking about how much she loves anal sex and what her and Jody do, seriously, wtf?

You really want to trigger her, tell her to tell you how much she loves it up the shitter.

Btw, she loves to tell people she was raped but one night when I was doing E with her, Jidy and a whole bunch of our other friends (ex friends) and the honesty was flowing, she admitted she made it all up to prove a point which I totally forget, I was really high, but it was some bullshit about menz and defeating the white patriarchy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 03:59:03 2013 No.4234157 Guys, come on, stop this, this is not nice or fair to her, everyone has skeletons in their closet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:19:29 2013 No.4234630 >>4233720 >>4234081 more dirt pls we can't let this bitch talk shit about our tao and get away with it

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:21:29 2013 No.4234635 stop bumping this awful fucking thread, let it die, jesus christ fucking embarrassing how much awful bullshit this is

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:25:30 2013 No.4234642 >>4234635 andrea, please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:48:30 2013 No.4234676 >>4234642 seriously I fucking hate everyone who's been posting sincerely in and bumping this thread. and i'm not pretending to hate you here, i actually fucking hate you.

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:50:33 2013 No.4234681

The problem with this thread is that it is absolutely terrible. I mean, it's worth noting in passing that it's also awfully sexist, but the main issue is that it's absolutely worthless spam being obsessed with some person for no reason other than "she's a girl and writes about stuff in a weird way on the Internet and takes nudie pics, let's all act like we're completely fucking incapable of dealing with this in a rational manner and freak the fuck out"

Jesus christ guys.

And don't try and play it off like this is a Tao Lin thing either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:52:33 2013 No.4234683 File: 292 KB, 600x913, 20130812.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 10:55:33 2013 No.4234691 File: 752 KB, 700x992, 20130422-yowhatami.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this thread is about KC Green now btw

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>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 11:51:16 2013 No.4234777 I want moar nudes. How do I find em?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 13:30:30 2013 No.4234939 >>4234676 seems like a waste of energy baby, pls direct it towards lawyering up for the coming child support inspections >>4234681 trying to troll /lit/ always backfires in this way, which is what makes it such jolly good fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 13:33:30 2013 No.4234949 what is bump limit on lit?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 13:48:29 2013 No.4234981 >>4234949 We're past it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 2 20:20:02 2013 No.4235903 >>4234981 so like three hunned then?

Anonymous Sat Nov 2 21:19:55 2013 No.4236021

It's only bullshit to those that don't want their dirty littl secrets about how cray cray they are found out.

So you love anal, Andrea? Lucky Jody. Especially so he can bury your face in a pillow while your spewing SJW radfem memes as he does you up the shitter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 14 10:23:49 2018 No.4236021,1 Is there any archives for Andrea Coates porn? I only have a few pictures from her blogpsot + the ones I found here... Thanks in advance

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 14 10:30:10 2018 No.4236021,2 Is there any archives for Andrea Coates porn? I only have a few pictures from her blogpsot + the ones I found here... Thanks in advance

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