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Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:20:03 2013 No.4178771 [DELETED]

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>There is no such thing as objective truth.

Is this true?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:27:04 2013 No.4178788 File: 42 KB, 625x351, do you even science le funny meme.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Science proves there is objective truth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:30:03 2013 No.4178797 >>4178788 >world as interpreted by our subjective senses >objective is this b8

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:30:03 2013 No.4178799 >>4178797 Never heard of pear review?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:31:03 2013 No.4178802 >>4178788 No it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:31:04 2013 No.4178806 >>4178799 Objectivity's still a subjective phenomenon doe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:32:03 2013 No.4178808 File: 27 KB, 775x387, science-vs-philosofaggotry.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4178806

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:32:03 2013 No.4178809 >>4178788 Not reallllly. It's about as close as we can get, and it's reliable, but is it really objective truth? I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:32:03 2013 No.4178810 File: 14 KB, 262x400, Contingency-Irony-and-Solidarity.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4178771 You're asking the wrong question. Read this book and find out why.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:33:03 2013 No.4178812 File: 1.76 MB, 408x225, 2r5rho4.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4178799

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:33:03 2013 No.4178813 File: 326 KB, 800x800, product_photo_346.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4178799 >pear review Is that where Del Monte checks your facts and make sure it adheres to the rigid standards of canned fruit critique?

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:34:03 2013 No.4178817
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>>4178806
No, it isn't. Please learn the scientific method.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:36:04 2013 No.4178824 File: 7 KB, 246x282, 1373902051252.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4178817 >atheistmemebase >facebook >neil degrasse tyson

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:38:04 2013 No.4178834 >>4178810 that book looks like it was self-published

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:39:04 2013 No.4178836

WELL LET'S SEE HERE.

I have greater cognitive faculties than that of a bullfrog, so its sense of objectivity (not that it cares) is of a poorer quality than mine because muh brain has more sensory tools than that slimy piece of shit. The fact that I can squash him, or silly slap someone and it has a causes physical sensations means that there's some objectivity to existence.
Case in point: I only see purple spiders on my ceiling when I'm high on methamphetamines. Are they an objective or subjective phenomenon? Well, seeing as how I never get the bastards and no one has ever seen them, and I can fine a causal relationship between my meth consumption and the frequency of purple spiders means that there's objectivity, rather than just cooking up some fucked-off theory like the police always come whenever I'm doing meth to let the spiders into my house. Didn't I mention both are ghosts? Oh, well that too.

not /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:41:22 2013 No.4178842 File: 95 KB, 273x288, 1304669207294.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4178836

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:52:23 2013 No.4178861 >>4178788 science establishes fact, not truth, check your privledge

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:54:23 2013 No.4178865 >>4178861 GAW NIGGA THREAD'S OVER STFU FOR YOU BUST IN HERE THINKIN THE BULLSHIT YOU GOTS TO SAY IS PORTANT

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:54:23 2013 No.4178867 There is objective truth in the world, but since every person interprets the world subjectively there is no objective truth to humans, or any other being for that matter. Unless that is your definition of a higher power.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:55:22 2013 No.4178871
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The question is irrelevant, as behaving as if there is objective truth (ie operating under empiricist assumptions) changes circumstances which may lead to new revelation that either affirms or refutes the primary question, while choosing not to operate under those assumptions will not yield any changes in life or the evolution of society and civilization, leading to perpetual stagnation and near certainty that the primary question will never be affirmed nor refuted.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:57:23 2013 No.4178875 >>4178871 >evolution >stagnation the way you're using these terms already assumes an objective direction for humanity

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 22:58:23 2013 No.4178881 >>4178867 DIS NIGGA DIS FUCKIN' NIGGA SURE IF I LOBBED YO BITCHASS INTO LAVA THAT OBJECTIVELY SUCK

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:00:23 2013 No.4178885 >>4178881 ONLY IF I SUBJECTIVELY DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN IT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:01:23 2013 No.4178891 >>4178875 Not objective direction, but certainly some direction that can serve to change paradigm and increase chances of the question even being answered (which are calculable in both circumstances)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:02:23 2013 No.4178896 >>4178871 >>4178871 What the fuck are you saying? >inb4 babby can't read big words I know all those words and more but I don't use them to be an unsubstantiated obscurantist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:02:23 2013 No.4178897 >>4178885 NIGGA HOW YOU GONNA NOT WANT TO BE SUBJECTIVELY IN IT WHEN THAT CONFLICTS WITH YA GOD DAMN OBJECTIVE INSTINCT TO SURVIVE YOU MAY WANNA DIE AT FIRST BUT AS SOON AS YOU GET NEAR THAT LAVA IT'S GONNA HURT BOI

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:02:23 2013 No.4178892 >>4178871 What does some French propaganda have to do with this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:03:23 2013 No.4178898 >>4178892 you tend to get more discussion off a post if you post an image, or so I've found. I've got an album of art for this purpose. You should try it

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:04:23 2013 No.4178903 >>4178891 you're assuming that evolution is inherently desirable and "stagnation" is undesirable as justification for acting as if objective truth existed

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:05:23 2013 No.4178904

>>4178896
What about that used obscure words? Probably the most obscure I can think of is "empiricist" but pretty much everyone discussing objective truth should know what empiricism is.

I guess if I were to simplify it, it would be "we don't know the answer to that right now, but If we act like it's a yes, we have a higher chance of answering it in the future"

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:06:23 2013 No.4178907 >>4178891 Whoops, should read 'incalculable"

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:07:23 2013 No.4178908 All is void. Nothing changes to maintain its illusion. You reach finality when there's nothing left to know. That only comes when you stop asking questions

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:07:23 2013 No.4178909 [DELETED]

>>4178896
>>4178871
I should rephrase it, BTW, in case anyone is tricked into believing you're saying anything wise: if we do believe there is an objective truth, we might find out if there objective truth or not. If we don't believe there's objective truth, we won't find out if there's objective truth or not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:08:23 2013 No.4178913 >>4178897 SUICIDE NIGGA SOME PEOPLE OVERRIDE INSTINCT AND SHIT

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:08:23 2013 No.4178912 >>4178904 How does that make the question irrelevant?

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:09:22 2013 No.4178917

>>4178903
Yes, that's exactly what i'm doing because it is the sensible position to take (in my opinion)

"Stagnation" implies no further input, and a culture is left to answer the question in the framework of a perpetually similar circumstance. Is it unreasonable to state that this lowers the odds of discovering X compared to the alternative? Even if the odds in both cases are low?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:09:23 2013 No.4178916 >>4178908 It is then that the insecurity of man no longer forces him takes his life seriously, and realizes life is a game, music, a self-creating work of art.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:10:22 2013 No.4178920 >>4178912 I suppose it's not truly irrelevant, I'm just remarking that being as the question cannot be answered with any measure of certainty at this moment, acting as it were the affirmative is the sensible course of action

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:10:22 2013 No.4178921 >>4178917 but this all still assumes there is something to be discovered at the end of this road that you've constructed which you don't know

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:11:56 2013 No.4178922 >>4178913 NIGGA NIGGA NIGGA THAT DON'T MAKE NO GOD DAMN SENSE YOU EVER TRY DROWNING YOURSELF, HUH LITTLE BUSTA? HUH?! DOESN'T WORK THAT'S WHY THE LAST THING GOES THROUGH A NIGGAS HEAD WHEN HE'S JUMPING IS AWWWWWW SHIT MAAMA

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:12:56 2013 No.4178926 >>4178917 It is impossible that there is no objective truth because that would be an objective truth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:14:55 2013 No.4178929 >>4178921 I don't think it implies that, it implies that there is a chance such a could exist, and that heading down that road opens the questioner to that chance, regardless of size, being that it would be otherwise totally inaccessible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:15:55 2013 No.4178931 this is worse than the trolley threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:15:55 2013 No.4178932 >>4178922 YOU TRY THAT SHIT HUH NIGGA YOU WANNA TRY SUICIDE N SHIT THAT BE YO SHIT YOUR LOGIC BE SAYIN NO ONE CAN DROWN THEMSELVES NIGGAS DO THAT SHIT

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 23:16:55 2013 No.4178935 >>4178926 No objective truth means objective truth, which means the former is untrue, which voids the latter, etc etc paradox. How wonderful

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