>http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/11/who-responsible-us-shutdown-2008-meltdown-slavoj-zizek Everyone's favorite crypto-Marxist, neo-Freudian pop-philosopher weighs in on the government shutdown. Major shout-out to the queen of /lit/ near the end as well.

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Anonymous Sat Oct 12 11:58:33 2013 No.4177464 [DELETED]

>http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/11/who-responsible-us-shutdown-2008-meltdown-slavoj-zizek

Everyone's favorite crypto-Marxist, neo-Freudian pop-philosopher weighs in on the government shutdown. Major shout-out to the queen of /lit/ near the end as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:01:32 2013 No.4177474 File: 22 KB, 255x364, slavoj-zizek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] guess 4chan doesn't like funny Slavoj, so here's serious Slavoj

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:06:31 2013 No.4177485 >Who is responsible for the US shutdown? The same idiots responsible for the 2008 meltdown everythingwentbetterthanexpected.gif

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:22:32 2013 No.4177509 rubs nose sniffles passes hand through hair

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:30:32 2013 No.4177523 it seems like he's right but I can never tell if that's because he's actually right or because of his convoluted logic and reductionism

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:30:32 2013 No.4177524

“There’s no ‘theory’ in any of this stuff,” Chomsky says to an interviewer who had asked him about the three continental thinkers, “not in the sense of theory that anyone is familiar with in the sciences or any other serious field. Try to find in all of the work you mentioned some principles from which you can deduce conclusions, empirically testable propositions where it all goes beyond the level of something you can explain in five minutes to a twelve-year-old. See if you can find that when the fancy words are decoded. I can’t. So I’m not interested in that kind of posturing. Žižek is an extreme example of it.”

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:34:38 2013 No.4177531 >>4177464 >crypto-Marxist audible chuckles were emitted

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:34:38 2013 No.4177533 >>4177523 >his convoluted logic and reductionism Which is nowhere to be found in this article.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:34:38 2013 No.4177534 I kind of see what chomsky is saying but the same thing could be said of many philosophers. It sounds like chomsky wants a social scientist in place of a philosopher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:36:33 2013 No.4177539 Why are pleb-tier humanities folks allowed to talk about Economics? You don't hear Economists talk about Nuclear Fission. Odd.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:37:33 2013 No.4177540 >>4177524 Gestell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:40:32 2013 No.4177544 >>4177524 >>4177534 >listening to that debunked grammarian >2013

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:43:32 2013 No.4177551

>>4177524
fucking whatever. try reading Chomsky's laws of universal grammar, as if anybody has ever understood one-tenth of what he means and not smelled bullshit.

>To summarize, we have been led to the following conclusions, on the assumption that the trace of a zero-level category must be properly governed.

>1. VP is proportion-marked by I.
>2. Only lexical categories are L-markers, so that VP is not L-marked by I.
>3. proportion-government is restricted to sisterhood without the qualification (35)
>4. Only the terminus of an X^0-chain can mark proportion-mark or Case-mark
>5. Head-to-head movement forms an A-chain
>6. SPEC-head agreement and chains involve the same indexing.

and on and on and on. Linguists worked for years to understand what the fuck Chomsky was on about, until they realized that it was simply tautological and self-referential ad infinitum.

All I really have to say is, if the concepts put forth in OP's link are somehow obscure to you, I think it's your problem and not Zizek's

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:43:32 2013 No.4177550 It's not just a matter of economics it's also a mater of politics and politics falls squarely under the humanities

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:45:32 2013 No.4177559 File: 35 KB, 200x329, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4177544 >Not listening to Chomsky >2066

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:47:32 2013 No.4177563 >>4177539 how is this not also a political issue? and if I remember correctly, I do think that you can find Einstein or Oppenheimer or Keynes or Adam fucking Smith talking about subjects outside their declared expertise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:48:32 2013 No.4177565 >>4177544 Debunked how? Or were you just shit posting an ad hominem?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:49:33 2013 No.4177570 >>4177533 hey man I'm on your side but Zizek's egregious use of adverbs seems to say otherwise

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:52:32 2013 No.4177579 >>4177565 Universal grammar has never been fully proven, and moreover, non-recursive languages have been found in tribal societies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:55:31 2013 No.4177586 >>4177579 Not being proven is not the same as being debunked, and the stuff around Pirahã is a bit confused considering only one guy knows it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 12:56:31 2013 No.4177589

>>4177565
first
>an ad hominem

lel

i don't know shit about linguistics, but I can promise you nobody takes him serious in politics. there was a debate between him and Foucault that recently surfaced where he gets wrecked. Zizek's generation has totally moved away from that kind of thought entirely. De Botton, Agamben, Cixous, Harraway, Butler, all the people that are publishing works that anybody cares about are much much more Foucaultian (it's gotten to the ridiculous point where there are even grad school students claiming that they are post-Foucaultians) than they are Chomskyite.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:10:37 2013 No.4177624

>>4177589
> there was a debate between him and Foucault that recently surfaced where he gets wrecked
That debate's been around forever. And it wasn't exactly an adversarial debate, much less one where anyone got 'wrecked'.

>De Botton
haha what

>all the people that are publishing works that anybody cares about
None of them has as wide a reader circle as Chomsky, and who the fuck was ever inspired to actually take up activism after reading any of those?

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:21:36 2013 No.4177645

>>4177624
Have you watched it? Chomsky comes off horribly saying things like "yes there is such a thing as universal justice." And I can provide you with literally thousands of theses/dissertations/articles/books that engage Foucault, whereas in all my years of studying politics I have never seen a student write anything more than a blurb on Chomsky. Again, I can't speak for linguistics, but "Anarcho-Syndicalism" is a totally bankrupt concept (I'm talking Randian Objectivism-tier here) and his writings on hegemony are totally irrelevant. Notice how it seems like everyone cares about sovereignty these days? This is from Bataille, by way of Foucault.

Again, can't speak for linguistics, but I can promise you that his brand of liberal utopian universalizing moralism is very much out of fashion at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:22:38 2013 No.4177651 >>4177624 >De Botton lol sorry I was thinking of Badiou

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:25:40 2013 No.4177657 >(and not only because of the oil reserves) What a faggot.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:27:38 2013 No.4177660

>>4177645
>Chomsky comes off horribly saying things like "yes there is such a thing as universal justice."
That's not an argument, that's a statement of his position.

>And I can provide you with literally thousands of theses/dissertations/articles/books that engage Foucault, whereas in all my years of studying politics I have never seen a student write anything more than a blurb on Chomsky
As if the academic study of politics matters.

> "Anarcho-Syndicalism" is a totally bankrupt concept (I'm talking Randian Objectivism-tier here)
Haha, okay, you're joshing around. Good to hear.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:31:39 2013 No.4177670 >>4177660 >As if the academic study of politics matters. watchoutwegotaSTEMbadassoverhere.jpg

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:33:38 2013 No.4177676 >>4177670 No, I mean that what matters in politics is people actually doing stuff. Unions, protests, some rare elected official who's actually in it for ideology. They matter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:35:38 2013 No.4177685 >>4177660 way to say absolutely nothing but still try and get the last word I also think it's funny that you haven't responded to >>4177551 yet. do you really have nothing of substance to contribute or are you just trying to save face?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:37:38 2013 No.4177690 >>4177685 Your post contained nothing to engage with. You state that he's wrong because his position isn't the one you agree with, whatever that position is. And I'm not the previous guy, I don't know anything about linguistics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:38:38 2013 No.4177691 >>4177676 >theory and practice are seperate hurr durr there's this little thing people have been talking about for the last couple decades or so called praxis maybe you should pick up a book and see what it's all about

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:40:39 2013 No.4177694 >>4177691 No.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 13:47:39 2013 No.4177705 >>4177691 fags who do nothing but sit on their fat arses writing about the revolution also write that by sitting on their fat arses they are contributing to the revolution wow, such a shock, it's a trickle down of revolutionary consciousness

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:01:39 2013 No.4177725 >Can I give you some fucking fruit juice >https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XS_Lzo4S8lA#t=366

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:04:39 2013 No.4177728 >>4177509 Zizek does have some pretty bad twitches. I like reading what he writes but I can't stand to hear him talk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:07:26 2013 No.4177733 File: 214 KB, 300x232, 1374231044749.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4177728 They're adorable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:07:26 2013 No.4177734 >>4177725 Oh god, vice got their hands on Slavoj?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:08:27 2013 No.4177735 >>4177725 There's seriously no reason not to like this guy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:12:26 2013 No.4177743 File: 39 KB, 720x543, 521981_464700760302097_264995082_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4177725

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:15:26 2013 No.4177749 >>4177735 I love his picture of Stalin is just to make people fuck off.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:18:27 2013 No.4177755

>>4177694
>>4177705

nothing worse than reactionaries that claim to be revolutionary

>i don't need to understand the intricacies of class struggle
>the world is divided into good and bad, didn't you know?
>yeah Marx is well and good but he's nothing compared to ACTION. Occupy Zucotti!

basically just neo-Stalinists, I hope you get shot by police when you're caught attempting to burn down a condo

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:26:27 2013 No.4177767

>>4177755
yeah you keep telling yourself that even if you're gonna get tenure and then spend 50 years writing stuff only other people with tenure reads you're contributing to the emancipation of the proletariat, nignog

theory's all well and fine but in the absence of praxis it's just a palliative for your struggling conscience

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:27:27 2013 No.4177768 >>4177749 it's not, though it's to remind him to be skeptical of his own ideologies lest he become a stalinist

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:43:36 2013 No.4177794

>>4177767
so first off you totally misused the term praxis. second, the individual is pretty much irrelevant to capitalism, or the revolution. What you do almost certainly does not matter. For a revolution to be real (as opposed to Occupy), they must be necessary. This point is unspoken of course, but it will and must be informed by the collective consciousness as it were.

lol are you gonna "emancipate the proletariat?" You sound like Malatesta, maybe you'd find people more your speed in the anarchist treehouse

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:47:27 2013 No.4177798

>>4177794
>so first off you totally misused the term praxis
no

>second, the individual is pretty much irrelevant to capitalism, or the revolution. What you do almost certainly does not matter
what is responsibility?

>maybe you'd find people more your speed in the anarchist treehouse
no maybe about it

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:50:27 2013 No.4177803 >>4177464 slavoj zizek is barely a marxist hes at best a social democrat, wtf are you smoking

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 14:59:32 2013 No.4177820 >>4177524 Ofcause the buthurt anarchist Chomsky would say that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:01:30 2013 No.4177822 >>4177820 He's not wrong, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:04:30 2013 No.4177826 >people still arguing about Marxism You only need a simple glance at men to see that we are not equal. >not being Cosmopolitan >2013

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:10:30 2013 No.4177831 >>4177735 He's the cool uncle I wish I had.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:13:30 2013 No.4177834 File: 17 KB, 454x500, Laurie Penny.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4177464 >Major shout-out to the queen of /lit/ near the end as well. *ahem

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:16:18 2013 No.4177840 >>4177834 She's not the worst feminist columnist. She hasn't gone on a transphobic tirade or anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:17:16 2013 No.4177842 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvPngjOPN1M&list=TL8pumkVsZ_WHHv20aZWWa1sZh4INYN0mw This guy is pretty much the standard /lit/ poster, which isn't bad compared to the horrors in the other boards.

Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:22:17 2013 No.4177851

>>4177842
Quentin's a joke, dude. It just happens the joke was never funny.

I mean just listen to him "Video games are for children and not for functioning members of society" as if anyone wants to be a functioning member of society.

Get that scum out of this wonderful Zizek thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:27:17 2013 No.4177864 >>4177851 >Video games are for children and not for functioning members of society 100% agree

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:32:34 2013 No.4177878 >>4177864 Well, yeah, it's obvious. That's why I play them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:34:56 2013 No.4177888 >>4177878 >>4177864 >>4177842 Thanks for proving my point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:38:33 2013 No.4177896 >>4177842 I don't think he's posted here as Stagolee in a long time, he went to /v/ and then got banned or something I think. I wouldn't call him the "standard /lit/ poster." Maybe a standard shitposter, but that's about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:38:33 2013 No.4177898 >>4177826 Was this post supposed to mean anything?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 15:39:33 2013 No.4177905 >marx >freud honestly why isn't this guy getting laughed out of the modern world

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 17:11:07 2013 No.4178112 >>4177905 probably because not everyone is a fucking idiot who takes OPs at their word, you fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 17:19:07 2013 No.4178129 I can't stand to listen to his talks for more than a couple of minutes, what books of his are worth the read? He seems to be getting lots of attention lately so I wanna see what he's all about. Sublime Object is considered his best, right? Any others?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 12 17:47:13 2013 No.4178175 >>4177565 http://philosophybites.com/2010/09/daniel-everett-on-the-nature-of-language.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 00:10:54 2013 No.4179076 File: 2 KB, 108x132, ehh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw no scruffy slovenian marxist theorist bf

>>	Slovene Philosopher and Cultur(...) Sun Oct 13 00:20:54 2013 No.4179099 File: 11 KB, 120x130, 1378863461711.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4179076

Anonymous Sun Oct 13 00:35:55 2013 No.4179135

>>4177579
>non-recursive languages have been found in tribal societies
not actually proven

chomsky is mostly right on grammar, and you can try to pretend otherwise all you want, but he at least has a theory that yields results that are useful for real world situations. you can go ahead tell a compiler that chomsky-inspired grammars aren't useful, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 00:44:55 2013 No.4179164 great article. is it just me or has he become more lucid and to the point recently?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 10:25:03 2013 No.4179907 >>4179164 no. he's writing for the guardian so he'll purposefully write more lucid and the editors will chuck out any nonsensical garbage

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 10:31:03 2013 No.4179918 >>4177834 I have no idea who that is. Probably some middlebrow idiot

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 10:32:03 2013 No.4179920 >>4177840 You know those insane people are confined to tumblr, right?

Anonymous Sun Oct 13 10:37:03 2013 No.4179925

>>4179920
>ghettoizing opinions you don't agree with to a site you go to specifically to find opinions you don't agree with, while labeling those opinions "insane" so you don't have to actually engage them
you've literally devised a system to make yourself more closeminded and autistic what are you doing

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 10:52:04 2013 No.4179948 When he's forced to be plain and straightforward (guardian articles, pervert's guide), he's a breddy cool guy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 10:59:04 2013 No.4179961 >>4179925 I don't go to tumblr, actually.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 11:04:04 2013 No.4179968 >>4179925 Also, you know as well as I do that some opinions simply aren't worth engaging with.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 12:24:55 2013 No.4180155 He has an encyclopedic knowledge of Lacan, Hegel and Marx (how he uses the concepts is debatable) and infinites east-european jokes how can someone not like him

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 13 12:30:54 2013 No.4180169 >>4180155 > dat Euro banter

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