/lit/ - Literature

[Nobel Prize Thread No.4166690]

Who's going to be announced as the winner of the Nobel prize in literature a couple days from now?

Pic unrelated.

[Anonymous No.4166702]

Who ever wins the Nobel peace prize

PARADOOOOXXXXXXX

[Anonymous No.4166703]

I have a hunch about AS Byatt.

[Anonymous No.4166704]

>>4166690
Probably some random member of the Russian minority in Latvia writing in an obscure Ingrian dialect about the difficulties of being a psychogenic dwarf in a postmodern society.

This award is kind of weird like that.

[Anonymous No.4166709]

>>4166704

I am this psychogenic dwarf you speak of.

[Anonymous No.4166718]

>>4166709
It must be awful to live in constant terror of the large people keep you at arm's length by placing a palm to your forehead while your arms flail, unable to reach them, just like in the cartoons. Please, let us bestow upon you the Nobel Prize in Literature for your brave efforts to document in the form of a novel this too-common form of discrimination.

[Anonymous No.4166731]

>>4166704
>>4166718
Lol, but not really.

[Anonymous No.4166778]

More than anything, the Nobel is a statement which the Committee makes to the world. It boils down to, "this guy is saying what we're thinking at the moment,and his qualifications check out, so we'll just give it to him." It's an inherently politically-minded recognition which doesn't emphasize originality or even talent above their socio-political-economic policies. That's how you have García Márquez, Vargas Llosa, Naipaul, Saramago, Coetzee, de Clezio, relative outsiders who are nonetheless popular enough to be internationally renowned but who have to conform to the social underdog. And then sometimes they simply choose a really obscure author to highlight their "profound knowledge" of literary undercurrents, usually choosing someone in their direct vicinity (cough, Transtromer, cough). Don't get your hopes up for Pynchy or Eco,or even Rushdie seeing as how he seems to be in a decadent period in his work (although that didn't stop Varguitas). Not to mention all of the talent coming out of South America, Spain, Italy, Portugal. But, then again, these countries are really insular about their literatures, something which they aren't looking for. The great subject of any latin american country's literature is the country (and its people), and only cosmopolitan authors (like Paz or even Borges (although his case was also passed on because of unfortunate political sympathies)) get on their radar.

[Anonymous No.4166791]

>>4166778
Frankly, it's been impossible to take the literature prize seriously since 1974.

[Anonymous No.4166816]

>>4166791
That's actually a pretty good summation. Beckett and Neruda barely make it through the last crack of legitimate talent to be recognized, but everyone after that (that I've read) basically negates in one way or another the relevance of the Prize in the modern world.

[Anonymous No.4166834]

>>4166778
>Eco,or even Rushdie

lmao please

[Anonymous No.4166837]

>>4166778
I totally trust your judgment hahaha

[Anonymous No.4166846]

Tao Lin

[Anonymous No.4166858]

>>4166837
I'm just saying that the reason they never pegged Carlos Fuentes or Juan Rulfo is because they kept looking inward at Mexico and refused to look beyond there. Sure, Fuentes was cosmopolitan enough to know about the various socialist-communist movement going on outside, but he never wrote about them in his fiction.
Then you have Onetti, a true literary descendant of Faulkner, Celine and Camus if there ever was one, who worked in relative obscurity throughout his life despite being recognized and respected by the literary innovators in S America, and who is barely even spoken about nowadays, let alone read.
To say nothing of Proust, whose name has become so commonplace that it hangs on someone's bookshelf like a decoration that's nice to look at and acknowledge but who is only ever read by academia and hardcore fans.
I only say Eco and Rushdie alongside Pynchon because they've already proven their worth with their earlier stuff and are now mostly moving their words around, fitting them in new patterns that almost never go beyond what they've already done before.

[Anonymous No.4166860]

>>4166858
>I only say Eco and Rushdie alongside Pynchon because they've already proven their worth

No they didn't, they're complete mediocrities who don't deserve nearly as much recognition as they receive.

[Anonymous No.4166862]

Bob Dylan

[Anonymous No.4166863]

>>4166862
Never, ever.

[Anonymous No.4166870]

>>4166702

That's a tautology, not a paradox, doofus.

[Anonymous No.4166873]

>>4166860
Look, I'll admit that post-modernism has looked like a joke for most of the 70+ years it's been around, but you can't deny that it grew out of the vanguardist tendencies which closed off the late modernist period in world literature. The blending of high and low art is as relevant today as it was to the Beats and the Counter-Culture in the back-half of the 20th century. If it has seemed overly-decadent, it's because globalization has made it apparent that the powers-that-be are headed toward a social divide..and I'm just talking out of my ass now, aren't I?
So I guess you read a lot of Alice Munro and John Updike, eh?

[Anonymous No.4166876]

>>4166816

Paz (1990) was certainly worthy.

[Anonymous No.4166877]

John Updike was a baseball fan. He's OK by me.

[Anonymous No.4166881]

They should give it to Nietzsche because I like Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.4166885]

>>4166881
>Nietzsche
>accepting a trophy

[Anonymous No.4166886]

>>4166876
Paz was more like that kid from school who knows all of these interesting ideas and can make you feel smarter just by reading him, but you have to understand that he also held a vicegrip on the literary currents in Mexico during his tenure as head of culture. He brought a lot of talent to the spotlight but he also shut down a lot of other great authors which didn't conform to his ideas. His work didn't develop organically from any tradition within Mexico, but it did follow examples from Western Europe and the East. He would take things from other cultures and then just apply them to Spanish without any thought to how they related. He was also a misogynist and a homophobe and he would blame Mexico's problems on the people he didn't like. His poetry is nothing worth a second look and only his essays have any real worth.

[Anonymous No.4166887]

>>4166886
>His poetry is nothing worth a second look

I politely disagree.

[Anonymous No.4166896]

>>4166887
Well, that's why we're entitled to our opinions, right? I really really like Alvaro Mutis' works, but do I think that he'll be widely read (even on an academic basis) in the future? Probably not. To me, Paz looks like an arrogant child who could spin a pretty phrase and use some interesting page design, but nothing that hasn't already been heavily-treated before.
By the way, I like you and I really want you to read a few things by Carlos Pellicer and Gilberto Owen if you can, just to get a feel for other authors who were writing in Paz's time.

[Anonymous No.4166903]

>>4166862
I can see it now.

>INHERENT VICE AUTHOR WINS NOBEL PRIZE

[Anonymous No.4166908]

>>4166903
>yfw he doesn't attend the ceremony

[Anonymous No.4166935]

>>4166704
>This award is kind of weird like that.
No, you fucking tard, it is nothing like that.

[Anonymous No.4166943]

What does /lit/ think of the last guy who got it?

[Anonymous No.4166952]

>>4166943
Had to look it up right now because I just didn't give enough of a shit. Mo Yan? Never heard of him and never read him. Probably never will either, to be honest. I don't like reading Chinese and Japanese literature for the same reason I didn't like reading Things Fall Apart. All of the specific details and customs are lost to me and they generally have a different sense of beauty and prosody which is clunky in translation (I assume, since I can't read the original). With Achebe, there was only so much I could read about yams before I gave up on it.
I try to stick to literatures from the Western Hemisphere because that's what I'm most familiar with and frankly I don't feel inclined enough to waste my time with everything else when there's already hundreds of lifetimes worth of reading material on this side of the Pacific. I'm close-minded and bigoted that way, so sue me.

capcha: gooksse faw

[Anonymous No.4166978]

>>4166952
Achebe wrote in English, yo.

[Anonymous No.4167008]

I would probably be mortified if they gave it to someone like Margarete Atwood or Hillary Mantel.

[Anonymous No.4167045]

>>4166952
it's partially because people's reasons for disliking things fall apart are always so bad that i hold the book in high esteem
YAMS
TRANSLATION????

[Anonymous No.4167052]

>>4167008
Atwood deserves it.

[Anonymous No.4167056]

Fosse, Djebar, or Thiong'o.

[Anonymous No.4167073]

A swede

[Anonymous No.4167076]

>>4166862
They should give it to Pinecone just to disprove the claims that they'd never give it someone who'd snub them

[Anonymous No.4167079]

My money is on Pynchon as usual.

[Anonymous No.4167081]

>>4166778
> Vargas Llosa
> No talent above socio-political-economics
Did you ever even read La Casa Verder

[Anonymous No.4167101]

>>4166943
Red Sorghum was intense. Great stuff. I really should get to his other work.

[Anonymous No.4167105]

Based Krasznahorkai

[Anonymous No.4167112]

>>4167073
No way, not when a swede won just two years ago, they would get a shitload of shit if they did that, so they won't.

I personally hope for Pinecone, I doubt he'll win though.

[Fergus !hxTvuAIpXU No.4167113]

>>4166816
>Heaney

[Anonymous No.4167116]

>>4167081
Why not write the title in English when that's the language you obviously read it in?

[Anonymous No.4167123]

>>4167113
Heney is britbong corncob

[Anonymous No.4167126]

>>4167112
we'll stop giving ourselves prizes when you start reading our authors

please read our authors

[Fergus !hxTvuAIpXU No.4167134]

>>4167123
I don't see the relevance of that fact.

[Anonymous No.4167166]

>>4167112
It seems like Jon Fosse - not a Swede but still a Scandi - is a likely candidate this year. I've not read/seen any of his work but by all accounts his credentials seem legit. It would be hard to complain about the prize being awarded to the most performed living playwright in the world.

[Anonymous No.4167182]

Thomas Pynchon will win it for his work in ripping off The Big Lebowski (Inherent Vice) and The Lone Gunmen (Bleeding Edge).

[Anonymous No.4167192]

seems like svetlana alexievich has suddenly become the favourite, possibly indicating a leak.

i would be slightly disappointed with that, as it seems a highly politically motivated decision even for the nobel, and she doesn't appear have been very prolific either. still, voices from chernobyl looks worth a read.

[Anonymous No.4167198]

Hey /lit/ I just loaned A Wild Sheep Chase from my local library

Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.4167200]

>>4167192
http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7321&IBLOCK_ID=35

[Anonymous No.4167212]

>>4167198
Haven't read it myself, but I've heard its one of the weaker Murakami novels.

[Anonymous No.4167236]

>>4167198

It's pretty meh, actually very meh and it doesn't even have a proper conclusion. It just ends. i'm guessing that leads onto the other book which connects it(I forgot the name but it's about a hotel) I haven't read that one yet however.

[Anonymous No.4167242]

>>4167192
Belarusian female journalist writing about oppression
Never read a single line of hers but I'm sure she's exactly what the Nobel prize people are looking for.

[Anonymous No.4167258]

>>4167236
> i'm guessing that leads onto the other book which connects it(I forgot the name but it's about a hotel)

Dance Dance Dance. Also, apparently, both connect to two other stories that precede them (Hear The Wind Sing, and Pinball 1973).

[Anonymous No.4167270]

some obscure european

[Anonymous No.4167271]

>>4167081
yes, I did read La casa verde and Conversación en La catedral and La ciudad y Los perros and Pantaleon y las visitadoras and La tia Julia y el escribidor and El hablador and Lituma en Los Andes and La historia de Mayte and his short stories. The guy can turn a phrase. He has a gift for storytelling which I would give my soul for. But does he use it in an effective way? To a certain extent. Most of his novels rely on his storytelling and overly complicated plotlines without developing the characters beyond a single characteristic or trait. I guess it's justifiable, but his plots are really just excuses for him to show off his knowledge of Chilean revolutionary writing (Mariátegui in Conversación) or he extreme social and cultural divisions of his time (High and low cultures in La tía Julia) without offering any new insight. His novels end, there's little closure and little progress. It's a reality but it's also lazy storytelling.
And btw, I can see how my phrasing above confused you guys. I mean that Achebe talked so much about yams that it may as well have been a cultural anthropology handbook. I know he wrote in English and I know it was in part a response to HoD, but in my opinion it can't stand on it's own. Such a slim book but to ME^ it feels like he ran out of things to say halfway through.

[Anonymous No.4167274]

>>4166778
>It's an inherently politically-minded recognition
unlike any other award or recognition

[Anonymous No.4167297]

>>4167242
she's not a feminist or anything

[Anonymous No.4167319]

>>4167274
I remember someone on this board saying that they were going to ready every Nobel laureate's works. I've always thought of that as being a very limiting way of reading literature because it cuts you off from discovering authors on your own and letting your tastes grow organically. If you follow someone else's standards, you're just following someone else's tastes (or in this case policies).
It can be hard making your way through books because each one needs time and energy invested and sometimes you end up hating what you just read, but that's how you develop your sensibilities. For example, I ne'er really liked Faulkner until I read Absalom, Absalom and Go Down Moses as well as a handful of his stories. Now, if I had just left it at Sound and Fury or AILD, then I would have just left with a bad taste in my mouth. Brazilian literature is almost never talked about in a widespread manner, but my life would be seriously lacking if I had never read João Guimarães Rosa and Clarice Lispector. But there's also a lot of books that, looking back, I wouldn't even pick up again other than to throw them away. Good and bad.

[Anonymous No.4169193]

>>4167319
Every kind of reading is inherently limited. Human existence is inherently limited. The question is whether we do productive things within our limitations, and the method you're talking about has its advantages as well as its flaws, because it forces you to read and consider things you wouldn't otherwise, and because learning about other standards, especially historical ones, can help develop your own by exposing you to the flaws and limits and faulty assumptions of your worldview.

[Anonymous No.4169210]

>>4166690
John Green

[Anonymous No.4169597]

>>4167192
That would be absurd even by the already incredibly low standards of the committee.

Even if Dolan likes her, that doesn't make her suited for the Nobel.

[Anonymous No.4169613]

>>4166690
I'm reading the wind up bird chronicle, why does he over explain shit so much?
he spent like two pages explaining how they got to rent their house so cheap, and like three or four about how it's probably fine that he quit his job, and maybe two about his wife's dry cleaning, WHO THE FUCK CARES?

[Anonymous No.4169615]

>>4166690
Some odds just for the hell of it. Apparently Alice Munro is considered the most likely candidate followed by OP'S PIC. I'm surprised Ashbery is 100/1.

I think it'll be Joyce Carol Oates.

[Anonymous No.4169894]

>>4169615
>I think it'll be Joyce Carol Oates.

lol, not a snowball's chance m8

she's not nobel material in any sense

[Anonymous No.4169897]

>>4169613
ADHD much?

[Anonymous No.4169914]

>>4169613
it's called realism

[Anonymous No.4169932]

>>4169615
>Adonis
>>4167166
>the most performed living playwright in the world.
But he's not David Ives, or Edward Albee, or Caryl Churchill, or David Mamet, or Sarah Kane

[Anonymous No.4169939]

>>4169932
Sorry, you're right - he's only the most performed European playwright alive.

[Anonymous No.4169959]

>>4169613
wait til the infamous 70 page 'making a sandwich for lunch while drinking a beer and listening to 60's pop music' episode.

[Anonymous No.4169969]

Pynchon can only be read if you're from the anglosphere. He'll never win the nobel prize.

[Anonymous No.4170011]

>>4169615

Alice Munro should win. She just retired from writing and will probably die soon. Give it to her while she is still alive.

[Anonymous No.4170012]

>>4170011
>she should win, here are some reasons not at all related to the merit of her work. give it to her

[Anonymous No.4170013]

>>4169615

What the fuck do bookies know about literature?

[Anonymous No.4170021]

A S Byatt

[Anonymous No.4170025]

>>4170011
It'd be an apt symbol of the impotence of literature in 2013. She might as well get it.

[Anonymous No.4170031]

>>4170011
Usually if a writer hasn't been awarded by the time they reach their '80s, it means they're not going to get it. It's the same rule of thumb that's stopping Umberto Eco, Milan Kundera and Ismail Kadere from being likely candidates this year. It means they must have been considered in the past and come up short. Roughly 55-65 is the sweet spot.

[Anonymous No.4170033]

IT COULD BE FAN IF THE NOBEL WROTE A NOVEL ABOUT A NOVEL WRITER THAT WINS A NOVEL FROM A NOBEL WINTER LELELEL

[Anonymous No.4170100]

>>4170013
Well they predicted the win correctly quite alot in recent years

[Anonymous No.4170111]

So is it going to be Murakami?

He's been a favourite the past few years it seems.

[Anonymous No.4170116]

>>4170111
no

it will never be him

[Anonymous No.4170117]

>>4166846
But who else would it be?

[Anonymous No.4170122]

I just hope Philip Roth doesn't win.

[Anonymous No.4170123]

>>4170111
It's not going to be Murakami. I guarantee. No matter how many betting sites make him a favorite, no matter how many shitty news websites write shitty clickbait articles about how he's a favorite, he is not going to twin.

[Anonymous No.4170127]

>>4170122
oh god he might. when was their last jew?

[Anonymous No.4170134]

>>4170123

You're wrong. Come back to this thread tomorrow and see for yourself.

[Anonymous No.4170136]

>>4170123

It's been a while since they have given it to a well known writer.

[Anonymous No.4170140]

It will be Svetlana Aleksijevitj.

It's been leaked.

[Anonymous No.4170144]

>>4170136
Mario Vargas Llosa the most well known Latin American writer after other Nobel Winners before 2010. Palmuk too.

[Anonymous No.4170442]

If Haruki Murakami wins I will stop posting on /lit/ forever.

[Anonymous No.4170463]

>>4170136
>if i haen't heard of them then they aren't well known

[Anonymous No.4170467]

>>4170442
is that a bet or are you like blaming /lit/ if it happens for some weird reason

[Anonymous No.4170470]

How will you react when Margaret Atwood wins?

[Anonymous No.4170474]

Should I care? Sounds like arbitrary praise to me.

[Anonymous No.4170479]

>>4170140
Source

[Anonymous No.4170485]

>>4170136
The last three at least were all really well-known in their respective countries so stop talking out of your ass

[Anonymous No.4170486]

some jew

[Anonymous No.4170500]

>>4170486
Good point, it's been eight whole years since a Jew won the award. We can't leave them underrepresented, given what a massive portion of the human population they make up

[Anonymous No.4170506]

probs another unknown foreign author that english publication companies can introduce and exploit in europe/usa for cream. like last year.

my guess? peru

[Anonymous No.4170513]

>>4170506
>probs another unknown foreign author

Unknown to the anglosphere, perhaps---but guess what? the Nobel is a global prize. Or do you believe that Anglos are inherently better than the rest of the world and deserve disproportionately more prizes?

[Anonymous No.4170521]

>>4170506
a Peruvian won it in 2010, retard. A little-known writer named Mario Vargas Llosa.

[Anonymous No.4170534]

>>4170474
>arbitrary praise

as opposed to?

[Anonymous No.4170556]

>>4170521
who?

[Anonymous No.4170565]

>>4170556
>the only authors I've heard of are Hemingway and Twain

[Anonymous No.4170568]

>>4170565
don't forget faulkner. so deep xD

[Sunhawk !!rEkSWzi2+mz No.4170569]

I think it'll finally be Pynchon. If it's Murakami, I'll go crazy. I mean, there are limits. Roth? Possibly. That seems good.

Also, if that Arab girl wins the Nobel Peace Prize, I'll also be furious. I mean, that's like saying people who die in terrorist attacks are 'heroes'.

[Anonymous No.4170572]

>>4170513
not my point. there are better foreign writers than mo yan, but his work was less well known than other foreign authors, so his less known works could be sold easier than a foreign author that already has a large readership in the western world. you misread what I was saying.

[Anonymous No.4170574]

GTAV obviously

[Anonymous No.4170579]

>>4170569
expand on why the "arab girl" doesn't deserve the peace prize so i can hate everything about you with more fervor

[Anonymous No.4170580]

>Europe
>South America
>Europe
>Asia

It will be an African author

[Anonymous No.4170581]

>>4170569

[Anonymous No.4170584]

>>4170580
Although US hasn't got one since Toni Morrison

[Anonymous No.4170590]

>>4170584
I think Canada is likely to get one before USA does again. Canadian literature tends to kind of embody the qualities that the Nobel committee look for.

Then again, Roth always has a chance. He's won just about every other literary prize.

[Anonymous No.4170598]

Albert Wendt

[Anonymous No.4170607]

>>4170590
>Canadian literature tends to kind of embody the qualities that the Nobel committee look for.

Tedious drivel?

[Anonymous No.4170716]

>>4170607
kinda yeah

socially conscious, a bit middlebrow

[Anonymous No.4171833]

>>4166862
pynchon is definitely worthy of the prize.
If he wins, is it guaranteed that he would be a no show?

[Anonymous No.4171848]

>>4171833
He will never get a Nobel...

[Anonymous No.4171896]

I would like to see Tom Stoppard win, but that won't happen.

[Anonymous No.4171897]

Pynchon, DeLillo, or Ashbery.

I hope.

Please.

[Anonymous No.4171932]

>>4170590

[Anonymous No.4171960]

>>4171896
same i like him

[Anonymous No.4172254]

>>4171897
DeLillo would be an awful choice, though

just awful

[Anonymous No.4172266]

>>4171932
This is spot-fucking-on. How unbearably typical.

[Anonymous No.4172299]

>>4172266
Fifth Business by Rob Davies
senior Canadian peg leg sex in South America

[Anonymous No.4172436]

i believe ghostface killah will win the award.

[Anonymous No.4172452]

>>4166943
I only read "Life and Death Are Wearing Me Out" and I loved it.
On a different note, I just read "Sputnik Sweetheart" so I am hoping Murakami wins it.

[Anonymous No.4172453]

>>4172436
A consummation devoutly to be wished.

[Anonymous No.4172539]

Four hours.

[Anonymous No.4172625]

Three hours left.

[Anonymous No.4172633]

>>4172453
Please don't abuse Shakespeare on the literature board.

[Anonymous No.4172642]

I WILL GET WHATEVER WINS AND READ THAT MOFO

[Anonymous No.4172648]

>>4172642
Good.

[Anonymous No.4172652]

>>4167052
agreed

[Anonymous No.4172692]

Only two hours left.

[Anonymous No.4172768]

One hour left.

[Anonymous No.4172776]

inb4 Americans lose their shit because some 'obscure' European won it

[Anonymous No.4172782]

Bret Easton Ellis.

I told you:
>>4172705

[Anonymous No.4172787]

KRASZNAHORKAI SHOULD WIN

EVERY TRUE READER KNOWS IT TO BE SO

[Anonymous No.4172805]

~40 minutes left

[Anonymous No.4172813]

A half an hour left.

[Anonymous No.4172816]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZahN6TtKgA

Link if anyone want's to watch it

[Anonymous No.4172818]

>>4172816
Thanks, bro.

[Anonymous No.4172821]

30 SECONDS UNTIL ANNOUNCEMENT

GETIN HERE

[Anonymous No.4172823]

what. the. fuck.

[Anonymous No.4172824]

>>4172821
Still 15 min dude

[Anonymous No.4172830]

Only 10 min left

[Anonymous No.4172836]

5 minnut

[Anonymous No.4172837]

If dubs Tao Lin wins the Nobelp rize

[Anonymous No.4172840]

Murakami get

[Anonymous No.4172841]

1 Minute cunts.

[Anonymous No.4172843]

And here we go.

[Anonymous No.4172846]

>>4172837
THIRTY SECONDS

[Anonymous No.4172851]

MESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSIMESSI

[Anonymous No.4172852]

At last!

[Anonymous No.4172853]

IT'S HAPPENING

[Anonymous No.4172854]

>>4170011
>Alice Munro

winrar

[Anonymous No.4172857]

alice munro

boooooooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.4172859]

Munro

[Anonymous No.4172860]

ALICE MUNROE WON

CONFIRMED FOR MUH FEMINISM

SHAM

[Anonymous No.4172862]

Munro is infinitely better than Murakami.

Still shit, though.

[Anonymous No.4172863]

Oh wow

This prize is a joke

[Anonymous No.4172867]

>>4172860
Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.4172868]

Should have been Lorrie Moore

[Anonymous No.4172870]

>mfw

[Anonymous No.4172871]

Hey at least it isn't someone you haven't heard of.

[Anonymous No.4172872]

>>4172863
I bet they all just have an agenda.
>short story writer wins
>short stories are easily accessible
>trying to make books accessed by a majority of the public
>using the biggest literature event of the year to further their agenda
It's a conspiracy I tell ya. I'm all for it though

>>4172867
Thanks for reminding me that this board has the second highest girl to guy ratio of all the boards.

[Anonymous No.4172876]

Toppest of keks when her wiki page stated that she had won it as a typo for another award.

[Anonymous No.4172879]

>hating female writers
*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.4172880]

>>4170031

You are wrong.

[Anonymous No.4172881]

>>4172872
Have you even read Munro? She's not writing pulp.

[Anonymous No.4172882]

>>4172879
>liking a writer just because they're female

*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.4172885]

>>4172879
It's really pretty pathetic.

[Anonymous No.4172884]

>>4172871
I-I know r-right, haha

[Anonymous No.4172886]

Inb4 people hating without them ever reading her

[Anonymous No.4172887]

>>4172867
What is your problem? The Nobel prize is political and Alice Munro was given it not because she deserved it but because of her politics - and her politics are feminist. It's a sham and Munro was brought in for the sake of feminism. What's so aggravating about someone noticing that?

[Anonymous No.4172889]

>>4172887
4/10 guaranteed replies

[Anonymous No.4172890]

>>4172887
Who would you have rather won? I hope it's not Pynchon, because that's never gonna happen.

[Anonymous No.4172892]

>>4172887
So it's impossible for a woman to win without it being some feminist conspiracy?
Back to /pol/ with you

[Anonymous No.4172893]

>>4172885
>>>tumblr

;)

[Anonymous No.4172894]

What's her best book?

[Anonymous No.4172895]

>>4172892
So it's impossible for someone to disagree with you without being from /pol/?

[Anonymous No.4172896]

Never heard of hear but then again I'm no anglo.

[Anonymous No.4172898]

>>4172895
Have you read any of her works? Just curious

[Anonymous No.4172899]

>>4172893
What about it?

[Anonymous No.4172900]

>>4172895
So it's impossible that your disagreeing happens to be in line with /pol/ thought?
>/pol/ is everything you disagree with
>but not me hurr durr

[Anonymous No.4172901]

You need the life experience of a middle aged woman living in Canada to appreciate Alice Munro.

[Anonymous No.4172902]

>>4172898
Yep, Dear Life,Viewfrom Castle Rock and Selected Stories


They read like an creative writing graduate's attempt to be deep. Hardly any humour and so much seriousness and attempted profundity that it regularlyspills over into being very boring

[Anonymous No.4172903]

>>4172887
While, I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying... It was more the way in which that anon made those observations which aggravated me. All CAPS and meme-speak. Didn't exactly help his position.

[Anonymous No.4172904]

>>4172898
I wasn't that guy in the first place, and no i haven't, i just hate it when people use /pol/ as a scapegoat for everything

>>4172900
Why doesn't matter if that's a /pol/ thought in the first place? Just because someone might agree with something from their doesn't even mean their /pol/. If anything you should go back to /pol/ if you seem to know all their opinions

hurrr durrr /pol/

[Anonymous No.4172907]

>>4172892
It's impossible for a political feminist to be given support by another political body without that political body implicating itself in the advancement of feminism, yes. It would be absurd, also, to suppose that that political body didn't do so without an interest in furthering feminist causes.

[Anonymous No.4172908]

>>4172902
Very nice opinion. That "creative writing graduate" line is really original, by the way. You should be on the Nobel committee.

[Anonymous No.4172914]

>>4172908
And now what's wrong with you? The complaints don't need to be creative, if they're drawn from direct observation; how about you argue the actual opinion's merit, in a, let's say, logical way, rather than attacking its aesthetics or originality, you complete fucking gourd.

[Anonymous No.4172917]

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/bios/alice_munro/search?contributorName=Alice+Munro

[Sunhawk !!rEkSWzi2+mz No.4172918]

Munro, huh?

I read 2 books by her, thought they were both weak. Not that bad, or terrible, but weak. Perhaps I should try some of her other stuff. She's not fucking Atwood, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.4172922]

>>4172904
>Why doesn't matter if
>Just because someone might agree with something from their doesn't even mean their /pol/
How's highschool treating you?
>all this strawman
It's time to go to bed Sally, big people are talking.

[Anonymous No.4172919]

>>4172918
fuck off sunhawk

[Anonymous No.4172920]

>>4172900
>implying /pol/ has ONE opinion

How about we stop blaming other people and say they come from /pol/ just because they disagree with our opinion.

It's just lazy.

[Anonymous No.4172923]

>>4172908
Thanks

[Anonymous No.4172924]

>>4172903
So do you think she was the best candidate for the prize? And if not why do you think she was chosen?

[Anonymous No.4172926]

>>4172922
Not that guy but you're making yourself look like an idiot

[Anonymous No.4172927]

dammit the library isn't open for an hour
i will be the first one there to reserve all her books

[Anonymous No.4172928]

>>4172927

Here you go.

>>4172917

[Anonymous No.4172929]

>>4172907
And yet nobody accused the nobel committe of supporting the chinese regime when they gave it to Mo Yan, an apolitical writer.

[Anonymous No.4172930]

>>4172927
actually no i don't care that much

[Anonymous No.4172931]

>>4172926
My arguments have made sense. Anons, on the other hand, haven't.
>making yourself look like an idiot
>is anonymous
pls

[Anonymous No.4172932]

At least it wasn't a Jew.

[Anonymous No.4172933]

>>4172922
Yes, English isn't my first language, so i screwed up, sorry.

You're the one who used a strawman against me

[Anonymous No.4172934]

I read The View from Castle Rock and it was tedious as fuck.

Whatever. Guess whoever's on the committee has their reasons.

[Anonymous No.4172936]

I can feel Horace's disappointment from here.

Poor man.

[Anonymous No.4172937]

>>4172928
>depressed old lady feels
>all the stories are set in canada

this bitch sucks

[Anonymous No.4172938]

>>4172934

>Guess whoever's on the committee has their reasons.

Munro has been a literary darling for years now. It's not surprising.

[Anonymous No.4172941]

>>4172938

Yeah, but what I meant is that I guess they have their reasons for her being a 'literary darling' in the first place. They're obscure to me though.

[Anonymous No.4172942]

They should give it to Ismail Kadare before he dies, he's like the only chance Albania has ever had.

[Anonymous No.4172943]

>>4172933
I wasn't saying that your opinion WAS /pol/'s opinion, just highlighting your error in thought. Let this be a warning to you.
You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.4172945]

>>4172929
Well, actually, they fucking did (noticeable names: Salman Rushdie), but it was different groups. And I don't entirely understand your complaint; what cause would there be to accuse them of such a motive, in light of Mo Yan's apoliticalism? But in Munro's case, well, she's a feminist to her bones, so... it's different... Either I'm missing something major or you suffer from some kind of cognitive psychosis; your point is just unintelligible.

[Anonymous No.4172947]

>>4172943

/pol/ is the most entertaining board on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.4172949]

Haven't heard of her. Read a few pages of her on Amazon and, regardless of whether she has a cock or not, I don't care for what I read. Have fun in this thread, anons.

[Anonymous No.4172950]

All of her books except the first one are available on #ebooks

[Anonymous No.4172953]

>>4172945

I don't care one way or the other, but if she writes fiction how can feminism be inherent in her writing? Wouldn't that just be one possible interpretation on the part of the reader?

[Anonymous No.4172954]

>>4172950
Why don't we have that?

[Anonymous No.4172955]

>>4172950

#ebooks is shit. Use bookfi.org instead. You'll thank me.

[Anonymous No.4172956]

>Save this thread so I can laugh at you in October.

WRONG.

[Anonymous No.4172958]

>>4172955
Why is it shit? Also, libgen.info is better

[Anonymous No.4172959]

>>4172956
Thank god it wasn't Oates.

[Anonymous No.4172960]

>>4172958

If you find #ebooks good more power to you. They have so few decent books available that I can't understand why anyone would though, when you have bookfi.

I'll look up libgen

[Anonymous No.4172961]

>>4172956
>mfw somewhere out there, there's a fat sweaty guy laughing to himself in a dark room over another fat sweaty guy being wrong about the winner of a literature award on the literature section of an anonymous japanese anime imageboard.

[Anonymous No.4172962]

>>4172960
#ebooks has pretty much all of the fiction I could want that's available on the internet.

[Anonymous No.4172964]

>>4172962

Well, again, more power to you if you don't think fiction is a waste of time. I won't pass judgement. #ebooks is horrible for non-fiction though.

[Anonymous No.4172965]

>>4172964
everyone check out THIS GUY

[Anonymous No.4172966]

Alice Munro has the Harold Bloom seal of approval, so I'm satisfied.

[Anonymous No.4172967]

>>4172953
>fiction is never political
>death of the author is a self-evident, mathematical truth

We're not just snatching her texts out of the distant past, without any means of speaking with the human itself. And what she said was:

'I never think about being a feminist writer, but of course I wouldn't know. I don’t see things all put together in that way. I do think it’s plenty hard to be a man.'

H.. huh. She does of course nonetheless work towards the representation of women, with a large focus in her works on what it's like to experience the world as a woman, so one can understand how the advancement of the work's recognition would facilitate the advancement of feminism; and in all likelihood the Nobel committee considers her feminist, as that's the major interpretation. And I can't see any reason to support her that would not be implicitly feminist, but I guess I have to stop calling her a feminist, anyway. And, yeah, return to my point above; I've got no idea what you're talking about and sincerely believe you suffer from some form of psychosis.

[Anonymous No.4172968]

Murakami is trending on twitter right now.

[Anonymous No.4172969]

>>4172966

...this is REALLY how you arrive at judgments?

[Anonymous No.4172970]

>>4172964
And yet it's better for fiction than literally anything else. So stop bitching.

[Anonymous No.4172973]

>>4172961
>mfw fat sweaty nerds get meta in an attempt to be deep

[Anonymous No.4172975]

>>4172970

Except it's not. It's mediocre for fiction.

[Anonymous No.4172976]

>>4166690

JRR Tolkien will win

[Anonymous No.4172977]

>>4172976

Too white/male/cisgendered/heterosexual.

[Anonymous No.4172978]

>>4172975
No it isn't. They always get the books I want to read before any other place, and I know all of the places.

[Anonymous No.4172979]

>>4172976
>JRR Tolkien

Was actually considered one time but they threw him because of his "poor prose"

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jan/05/jrr-tolkien-nobel-prize

[Anonymous No.4172981]

>>4172979
And rightfully so.

[Anonymous No.4172983]

They better pick someone obscure next time. I am not satisfied with this decision.

[Anonymous No.4172984]

>>4172982
Because you just finished masturbating to /d/.

[Anonymous No.4172982]

>>4172961
>>4172973
why would NEETs be sweaty?
I'm really comfy in my chair, not sweaty at all

[Anonymous No.4172986]

>>4172984
I don't get sweaty when I masturbate...?

[Anonymous No.4172987]

>>4167052
>Atwood

AGREE!

[Tao will be dead and forgotten by the next Nobel prize. . .]

[Anonymous No.4172991]

Alice Munro just won.

[Anonymous No.4172993]

>>4172986
>cries the fat sweaty fat guy behind the computer screen
>But I don't get sweaty when I masturbate, so it's ok that I'm a worthless parasite to society!
Makes me sick.

[Anonymous No.4172994]

>female authors
>relevant

pick one

[Anonymous No.4172996]

>>4172987
>Tao will be dead and forgotten by the next Nobel prize. . .
This is pretty much the exact thing they (Gawker) said about Tao when he released his first two books, that he'd immediately return into a deserved obscurity.

[Anonymous No.4172998]

>>4172994
Suffering from some vagina envy, eh?

[Anonymous No.4172999]

>>4172993
I just don't understand why they write sweaty every time

[Anonymous No.4173000]

>>4172998
>eh?

[Anonymous No.4173002]

>>4173000
Lolllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[Anonymous No.4173005]

>>4172999
Because they are uncreative and so go for the most obvious and overused stereotypes every time

[Anonymous No.4173012]

>>4172996

>deserved obscurity

Hmm, this may make for good authors . . .Tao, quick get out of this unnecessary limelight!

[Anonymous No.4173015]

>>4172999
> Neet who never goes out and stays at home going on 4chan doesn't compute negativity
I hope you drown in your own sweat
>yfw

[Anonymous No.4173016]

>>4172892
Dude, have you ever read Alice Munro? Pure horseshit.

[Anonymous No.4173020]

>tfw Alice Munro actually won . . .

She only won because she is 82 to Atwood's 73. Margaret will win soon. Oh wait she has already won our hearts!

[Anonymous No.4173023]

>>4173020
I hope Atwood doesn't win.

[Anonymous No.4173026]

>>4173023

Ha ha! That is what you said about Munro!

[Anonymous No.4173027]

The Handmaids Tale is subtle feminism.

[Anonymous No.4173028]

>>4173027
grand lel

[Anonymous No.4173031]

>>4173027

Do you even Atwood?

[Anonymous No.4173034]

What's the best Murakami novel?

[Anonymous No.4173039]

>yf'sw munro refuses the prize

[Anonymous No.4173042]

>Alice Munro

Yuck. I guess she does represent what a ton of people these days enjoy in literature, though.

[Anonymous No.4173045]

>>4173026
No it isn't.

[Anonymous No.4173047]

>>4173042
What do you enjoy in literature, Anonymous?

[Anonymous No.4173051]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0491747/

Someone made a movie from her short story? Is this any good?

[Anonymous No.4173059]

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/i-know-how-youre-feeling-i-read-chekhov/

>Say you are getting ready for a blind date or a job interview. What should you do? Besides shower and shave, of course, it turns out you should read — but not just anything. Something by Chekhov or Alice Munro will help you navigate new social territory better than a potboiler by Danielle Steel.

Alice Munro is good for empathy.

[Anonymous No.4173064]

>>4173059

>That is the conclusion of a study published Thursday in the journal Science. It found that after reading literary fiction, as opposed to popular fiction or serious nonfiction, people performed better on tests measuring empathy, social perception and emotional intelligence — skills that come in especially handy when you are trying to read someone’s body language or gauge what they might be thinking.

Then why is /lit/ full of unempathetic, mouth breathing social retards with the emotional intelligence of a babby?

[Anonymous No.4173068]

>>4173059
That page refuses to load for me.

[Anonymous No.4173071]

>>4173064
Yeah, you're here.

[Anonymous No.4173073]

>>4173034

Here you go.

[Anonymous No.4173079]

>>4173047
Honest meditative work, generally (a la Sebald). What I don't like about Munro is that she peddles sentiment so carelessly (every story seems to be an excuse to affect it) and never seems to comment on or challenge the upper class framework her stories operate in. It's always cute little resolutions disguised under occasional self-deprecation (which is really just self-congratulation). Not my thing at all.

[Anonymous No.4173081]

It's nice to see short stories get the spotlight

[Anonymous No.4173087]

>>4173064
Because we're mostly posting under personas which hardly reflect how we behave IRL?

[Anonymous No.4173090]

>>4173081
I've seen this comment maybe five times in the last twenty minutes since I've been reading about this. Think a little instead of just mindlessly repeating another person's thought.

[Anonymous No.4173095]

>>4173064

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/well-quiz-the-mind-behind-the-eyes/

autism test?

[Anonymous No.4173100]

>>4173081
See:
>>4173090

[Anonymous No.4173101]

>>4173034
Dance Dance Dance, but it's better to read Wild Sheep Chase before it

so go for Wind-up Bird or Kafka on the Shore or Harboiled Wonderland if you want just one

or if you're only curious and don't feel like picking any of these doorstoppers try Sputnik Sweetheart, it's short but represents his work pretty well

[Anonymous No.4173129]

While I'm relieved that that unknown Belarusian journalist didn't win, I'm not that ecstatic about Munro winning either. I have always found her work kind of lightweight and unremarkable. Lorrie Moore, Amy Hempel, William Trevor, and even Miranda July and George Saunders, are all more interesting anglophone short story writers than her, and I'd say that Anne Carson is the best living ambassador of Canadian literature. What exactly has Munro done to justify her current stature, aside from just being around for a long time?

In an ideal world the award would be given to people like Eco, Kundera, Kadare, Rushdie, Thiong'o, Oz, McCarthy, Pynchon, Marias, Nooteboom, Ashberry, Stoppard, Krasznahorkai --- y'know, writers who have actually made unique contributions to the art form.

[Anonymous No.4173139]

>>4173129
>I'd say that Anne Carson is the best living ambassador of Canadian literature
Seriously, she's extremely underrated. It'll probably be at least ten years before she's old enough to be considered for the prize, though

[Anonymous No.4173151]

>>4173139
I doubt any Canadian will win again for a long time now --- probably not until after Carson, Atwood, Ondaatje, etc. are dead.

[Anonymous No.4173157]

I guess this ensures for certain that Thiong'o will finally get the prize next year.

[Anonymous No.4173163]

>>4173139
lol she's way overrated for one mediocre book plebs flock to
>I'd say that Anne Carson is the best living ambassador of Canadian literature
things people who've only read one canadian book say?

[Anonymous No.4173169]

>>4173163
I'll bet you haven't even read NOX or any of her translations

[Anonymous No.4173170]

>>4173163
canada sucks. i've not read a single canadian author who didn't suck. waah post-colonialism waah feminism

[Anonymous No.4173174]

>>4173170
dumbass cracka opinion disregared
; )

[Anonymous No.4173176]

Autobiography of Red is about an otherkin

[Anonymous No.4173177]

>>4173151

Not according to Munro:

>#Munro on #Nobel win: "I didn't know I was on a list until yesterday. I'm dazed...there will now be more thought about Cdn writers"

[Anonymous No.4173183]

>>4173169
I thought The Beauty Of The Husband was an amazing achievement, certainly more memorable than anything of Munro's I have read.

[Anonymous No.4173191]

>>4173169
Wife of Brain

we enter we tell you
we are the Wife of Brain
at this point you have little grounds to complain we say
a red man unfolding his wings is how it begins then the lights
come on or go off or the stage
spins it’s like a play omnes
to their places
but
remember
the following faces
the red one (G)
you already know (what’s he done to his hair) his old friend
Sad
But Great
looks kind
beware
third Ida Ida is limitless and will soon be our king
scene is
a little red hut where G lives alone
time
evening

>yfw not centered.

[Anonymous No.4173207]

>>4173177
I think she just meant in general. The Nobel Committee like to spread their prizes around (Pinter/Lessing being an exception). Munro won this year by virtue of being North American, female, and a short story writer --- she just happened to tick all the boxes this year. The stars aligned, if you will. I can't see that happening for a Canadian author again for a while.

[Anonymous No.4173269]

>>4169914
no one needs to go into this much detail about inane shit though