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Have you read any LGBT children's books, /lit/? What did you think of them?

>> No.4140861

Books can't be gay, idiot.

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>>4140861

Saved for future use.

>> No.4140869

Children can't be gay, idiot.

>> No.4140871

>>4140869
Children can't be books, idiot.

>> No.4140878

Children can't be idiots, book.

>> No.4140880

>>4140878
Of course they can, don't be retarded.

>> No.4140909

>>4140859
> Have you read any LGBT children's books, /lit/? No. (Thank God I live in Russia.)

>> No.4140925 [DELETED] 

>>4140909
Russia is anti-gay though.

>> No.4140933

>>4140925
It's not anti-gay, it's only against the obnoxious promotion of homosexuality in public spaces. Righteous law if you ask me. Overfed, under-stimulated Westerners have the luxury to indulge their degenerate whims and parade faggots around on TV and shit. Russians have more important things to attend to, like vodka and depression.

>> No.4140939

>>4140933
>Righteous law if you ask me.
No one asked you.

>> No.4140944

>>4140939
Don't cry, gay boy.

>> No.4140948

>>4140859
Poor OP can't get on topic threads anywhere...

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>>4140933
>that fanatical russian ethnocentrism
>that stubborn prejudice against everything western

thank god i dont have to live in this horseshit country anymore

>> No.4140958

>>4140956
where do you live?

>> No.4140962

>>4140958
in paris
best fucking city in the world, france is great as a whole though
i was raised in moscow, lived there for 12 years, and i still go there every two months

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>>4140944
>implying you have to be gay to find the maelstrom of ignorance your embittered lips just spat forth offensive

>> No.4140970

>>4140956
Stubborn prejudice against everything Western might save them when everything Western becomes lesbian transgender AIDS parties.

>> No.4140971
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>>4140933
We believe in free speech and allowing demonstration, even obnoxious ones. Gays can hold a parade, and so can Klan members and Nazis. The U.S. is a free country and no one can stop peaceful demonstrations as long as they stay lawful. Russia has an even worse reputation for restricting liberties than ours, and you've been conditioned to think that's okay. Russia isn't so much anti-gay as they are anti-freedom.

That being said, I really wouldn't want to be walking down the street with my ten year old kid on the day of a pride parade and see some blade shaking his assless chaps around.

Flamers act that way and flop their dicks around to intentionally piss off conservatives, and it makes us all look bad. Then they wonder why people think they're degenerate. Seriously, the huge flamboyant faggots are like the hood niggas of the gay world.

>> No.4140976

>>4140966
>accusing Russian cultural practices of being ignorant

Wow such racism.

>> No.4140986

>>4140976
>some guy on the internet is capable of impartially representing an entire culture

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>>4140971

Agree completely with you. I feel bad for normal gays who are associated with this. My gay friends were more angry about those parades then my conservative friends

>> No.4140995 [DELETED] 

>>4140971
>so can Klan members and Nazis

That's complete BS and you know it. Even if they were in a group to simply walk down the street they would be jailed or at least attacked. The same thing can't be said about obnoxious gay activists.

>> No.4140996

>>4140939
What if most people in Russia agree with him?

Is democracy still about popular sovereignty?

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>>4140970
no shut the fuck up
stubborn prejudice against everything western ends up in braindead religious extremism, atrocious political corruption, patriotic propaganda in schools (dont even get me started on those dumbass education reforms which clearly were set up to raise a generation of brainwashed idiots), poverty, cities where the police is scarier than criminals to people, and a lot more
seriously russia is shit is your head so fucking far up your ass is this so hard to grasp

>> No.4141004

>>4140999
Syria is shit. I support sovereignty and solidarity for Syria.

Russia is shit. I support Russia's right to self-determination. Don't impose your pussy Marxist values on other societies by resorting to sanctimony.

>> No.4141006 [DELETED] 

>>4140966
>le so ignorant >_>

I love how ignorant has become a leftist codeword for "something I don't like and wish to frame as inherently wrong in some sense."

When I here the word ignorant used as such a substitute I just want to punch someone.

>> No.4141007

>>4140971
>and so can Klan members and Nazis.

Klan and Nazi marches in modern USA are subject to the same violence that homosexual marches are in Russia. Recently a group of white nationalists tried to legally purchase a small town somewhere in the North West of America, where they planned to live in peaceful seclusion, and were forcibly evicted by protesters (largely not even from the area) with the support of the authorities. Get off your high horse. America culture is just as totalitarian as Russian, just in a different way. At least Russian authoritarianism is employed in service of strong nationalist ideals, not degeneration.

>> No.4141013

>>4140986
The law represents it, does it not?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/11/russia-law-banning-gay-propaganda

>> No.4141015 [DELETED] 

>>4140999
>>4140966
>>4140956
getting triggered by someone on the interenet for not conforming to your far left politics.

These tumblr fags are everywhere.

>> No.4141016

>>4141007
WOOOOOOOOOO ANARCHISM FREE ASSOCIATION WILL SAVE THE WORLD WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VOLUNTARISM NO STATE AUTHORITY MANNNNNNN

>:( DISAGREE WITH MY VIEWS ABOUT RACIALISM WILL YOU? VERBOTEN!

>> No.4141019 [DELETED] 

>>4141007
If leftists are against such people living in their own communities then wouldn't it be rational form them to separate and form their own, as a means of peace?

A sort of "I go your way. you go yours" type of situation?

Why can't they make up their fucking mind?

>> No.4141020

>>4140970
i partially live in russia
the majority of people there have this exact mentality, and thats because of the propaganda on tv
seriously i turned on my tv once and there was a show about how "GOING TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES WILL GET YOU KILLED BECAUSE ALL FOREIGNERS HATE RUSSIANS THIS WOMAN DIED IN FRANCE AND WE'VE TALKED TO SEERS AND MEDIUMS THEY ARE SAYING ITS A MURDER" (i am quoting the thing, yes, seers and mediums)

it ended in this wonderful sentence : "WARN YOUR FAMILY, SO THEIR NEXT VACATION DOESNT END UP AS THEIR LAST ONE"

>> No.4141025

>>4141020
>GOING TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES WILL GET YOU KILLED BECAUSE ALL FOREIGNERS HATE RUSSIANS
Are you serious?

>> No.4141028

>>4141020
Preservation of mysterious Russian soul is number one national imperative. 'Freedom' is a spook invented by nefarious globalist interests.

>> No.4141032 [DELETED] 

>>4141016
no seriously, tumblr is better suited for you.

You obviously haven't the brain capacity for an actual discussion and would rather disregard all dissent through name calling and childish rhetoric.

>> No.4141034

>>4141028
thank god there are transhumanists in russia

>> No.4141036

>>4141025
yes im completely serious
did you know there is now a law about americans not being able to adopt russian children?
a lot of people supported this, saying that americans are adopting those children to kill them and sell their organs on the black market

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>>4140971
>America
>free country

try being more subtle next time, anon. 2/10, made me reply.

>> No.4141035

>>4141013
Laws are made by governments not citizens.

>> No.4141038

>>4141035
Most Russians support the law, hence why gay marches always end in bloodbath lol

>> No.4141048

>>4141032
That post:
>Lol, leftists want voluntarist free association but then stop a voluntarist free association of people with views they don't like.

Your post:
>You're tumblr. You're dumb. You don't want to argue, you just want to namecall.

uhh..

>> No.4141050

>>4141038
But there's got to be something said about the influence of propaganda no?

>> No.4141043 [DELETED] 

>>4141028
Do you realize with such comments you're not adding anything of merit to the discussion? Just engaging in a circle jerk?

Be less anti-intellectual.

>> No.4141044

>>4141036
America try to steal strong Russian genes, unlock secret to mysterious Slavic soul

>> No.4141046

>>4141020
shit i meant
*"END UP BEING THEIR LAST ONE"

>> No.4141052

>>4141043
I have already added enough to the discussion with no adequate rebuttal. Now I can just have fun.

>> No.4141055

>>4141050
You mean like how American media brainwashes its citizens to support homosexual rights? See, this argument goes both ways.

>> No.4141064 [DELETED] 

>>4141048
It's not you're politics. It's your rhetoric.

I did my part in cleansing /lit/ of tumblr influence and reported you. Good day.

>> No.4141066

>>4141050
The laws don't represent the people even though the country is a democracy, the definition of which is "the people sanction all laws passed, held, or enforced". When the people clearly do support the government's interpretation of the law, it's because they are under the influence of "propaganda".

So when people believe things different from what you believe, it's because you are a reasonable individual (and also, incidentally, correct), while they are simply brainwashed, and don't actually believe what they believe. That's called circumstantial ad hominem, bro.

>> No.4141068

>>4141055
Of course it does. In all honesty there's no point in arguing or discussing because it's more than likely that we're just subconsciously parroting opinions that we think we've come to ourselves.

>> No.4141071

>>4141064
No, it's not you're politics it's your politics.

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>>4141064
>respond to criticism of censorship by calling someone names
>get laughed at
>try to censor them by appealing to a sympathetic authority

Liberty of thought and discussion is the single most important contribution to the human race that Western society has achieved. Keep doing everything you can to undermine it when it rubs you the wrong way.

>> No.4141074

>>4141055
youre not implying propaganda in the west is stronger than in russia are you

go out and go inside the fucking metro and see all the "I LOVE MY CITY" "I LOVE MY COUNTRY SO MUCH. RUSSIA. RUSSIA IS SO GOOD" "JESUS IS REBORN LETS ALL CELEBRATE IN PEACE AND JOY GOD SAVE US" "BELIEVE IN GOD" "RUSSIA = COOL" posters everywhere

moreover i was watching the news and while claiming to show people from the opposition they were only showing some weirdo nazis and telling that "OPPOSITION IS BAD, SO BAD, LOOK. LOOK THEY COVER THEIR FACES BECAUSE THEY ARE ASHAMED. THANK U PUTIN. RUSSIA = COOL" they cover their faces because its fucking -20 degrees outside

>> No.4141081

>>4141068
Yes, let's just say it is a clash of cultures. Russia is of homophobe, America is of homosexual. Different but equal.

>> No.4141082

>>4141074
There are different forms of propaganda. Immature states with dumb lower classes will broadcast YOU LOVE SADDAM, SADDAM IS YOUR HERO repeatedly, but the West has a more virulent and insidious form, in that its media will seep into every crack in the mind of a bourgeois intellectual, and make him think state ideology is his very own unique viewpoint.

West vs. East "moral education" is really a honey-vinegar dichotomy.

>> No.4141086

>>4141074
>youre not implying propaganda in the west is stronger than in russia are you

Of course it is, hence why American political stance is more popular on sites like this. It's so strong it even got you xexexe

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>>4140859
Is it gay if it was just the tip?

>> No.4141093

>>4141004
Even if this bullshit has the support of the majority in Russia, I still don't see how it is any different from bullying in schools, only on nation-wide scale.

>> No.4141099

>>4141082
im not saying there isnt propaganda in all states, im saying that people have objectively less freedom in russia where a demonstration or a journal article can get you thrown in jail, which is a violation of basic human rights no matter how you put it

as for the putin cult and patriotic fanaticism, it is similar to totalitarianism propaganda techniques, do i even have to explain why it is bad

>> No.4141102

>>4141086
What American political stance? America should get over itself a little bit. These are not values that are necessarily coming from the US to the rest of the world. There is no center.

>> No.4141105

>>4141086
i live in europe you ass
another typically russian mistake is "EVERYTHING THAT ISNT MOTHER RUSSIA IS AMERICA"

>> No.4141106

>>4141105
American media penetrates all countries except Russia. You live in France. France is American bitch.

>> No.4141108

>>4140933

Agree completely with Russia's policy. The amount of emphasis the West places on sex and sexuality is ridiculous.

>> No.4141111

>>4141099
Russia doesn't want freedoms, we just want clay and vodka! Get it into your head!

>> No.4141113

>>4141015

/lit/ might be the most obnoxiously liberal board on 4chins

>> No.4141117

ITT: diet /pol/

>> No.4141121

>>4141106
politics in france are drastically different from american once, not only because of the diversity of the parties but also because it is way more liberal, and more focused on social care

life in france is really, i mean REALLY different from life in america. as for gay rights, the movement is actually less prominent in america, which still is a religious country.

as for media, it is globalization. believe it or not, it affects russia just as much. go to any russian cinema and all films in there will be american blockbusters. you can enjoy mcdonalds, subway and snickers bars in any moscow street

>> No.4141122

>>4141113
It's 'cause conservatives are stupid, studies have shown

>> No.4141123

>>4141113
/lit/ actually manages to be further left and less intelligent than tumblr

>> No.4141127

>>4141121
shit
*american ones
sorry im not fluent in english

>> No.4141135

>>4141108
And making laws specifically prohibiting certain innocent expressions of sexuality or even voicing opinions on sexuality is not emphasis?

>> No.4141147

>>4140939
I enjoyed reading his post.

>> No.4141151

>>4141135

>parading down a city street in nothing but a leather codpiece, with a rubber dildo down your throat, while getting spanked by your 370 pound "bear daddy"
>innocent expression of sexuality

lrn2discression

>> No.4141154

>>4141135
It's de-emphasis.

>innocent

That's just your opinion.

>> No.4141166

>>4141154
>>4141151

If sex between people bothers you, it's your fault, not theirs. You get offended by something that doesn't affect your physical well-being, chance of employment, safety or human rights (lel, Russia), you eat it up. You're not a child.

>> No.4141171

>>4141147
Same.

>> No.4141172

>>4141151
Yeah but that's only a small part of the spectrum of things that are prohibited. Also this kind of thing is nowhere as widespread at gay parades as you might think it is.
>>4141154
What? How is this de-emphasis exactly? From where I'm standing it more or less started a flame war on the subject.

>> No.4141179

>>4141166
>there is no basis for norms of proper conduct to exist in a society!!

No sorry there is, it's called popular sovereignty.

>> No.4141183

>>4141166

Ah, okay -- I understand. Sorry.

Now that we're agreed, I'm going to start smearing shit on public property. I'm also going to start shitting and pissing my pants and sitting next to you in movie theaters.

PS. If the smell of shit bothers you, it's your fault, not mine.

>> No.4141188

>>4141183
Movie theaters are not public, sorry.

>> No.4141197

>>4141183
dude, why can't you just tolerate their behavior? as 2 - 4% of the total population, they deserve to express their sexuality in public -- including public nudity and public sex acts -- as much as the other 96 - 98% of the population, which doesn't fuck in front of children.

>> No.4141202

>>4141183
>>4141179

Only children react like this. If you want us to look at Russia as a country of babbys who can't handle something they don't like, you're doing it right. Also, human feces is highly infectious and thus affects your and my physical well-being. Get fucked.

>> No.4141205

>>4141188

wat?

>> No.4141206

>>4140869
>>4140871
>>4140878

>>>/reddit/

>> No.4141213

>>4141183
I wouldn't argue that having sex in public is something that should be legal. I'd like to because I don't see what's the point on having this huge taboo on sexuality still in place, but I realize that it's not exactly a comfortable thing for the majority of people, so there needs to be some sort of agreement on what you can and can't do in public places. But honestly, if we apply this argument on all homosexual expressions of affection, you need to also apply the same rule to straight couples. If straight couples kissing in public bother you, that's fine, but I don't think you're in the majority on that one.

>> No.4141215

>>4141197
It's not about whether he personally tolerates them, it's whether a majority has a theoretical right to not want to tolerate them.

There are an infinite number of arguments to be made for banning forms of sexual or romantic conduct. Doesn't mean they're all good, but if the prevailing discourse in a society is anti-homo, that's the way it is. Maybe it'll change in the future, as discourse evolves. You're dismantling the whole theory of progress through rational debate if you impose "more correct" views from the top down, from some enlightened vantage point.

>> No.4141218

>>4141205
You have to pay to get into them. They're usually private property. Therefore the rules that apply in them are inherently different.

>> No.4141219

>>4141206
>>>/reddit/

>> No.4141221

>>4141183
>bothered by homosexual people in the street
>not bothered by pictures of naked chicks saturating most of the media, which is way more frequent than anything related to gay rights

hmmm

>> No.4141223

>>4141197
Stop using public nudity and public sex acts as an argument. It's not an universal thing and gays have no exception on this from straights.

>> No.4141227

>>4141221
it's almost like he's looking for a way to vent his anger without being judged for it

>> No.4141230

>>4141202
>Also, human feces is highly infectious and thus affects your and my physical well-being.

Can you show me that risk is great enough to qualify for !!OBJECTIVE!! status as a Natural Right Not To Be Exposed To Poo?

If so, where do people go to file their long-term, complex arguments for the deleterious effects on society of sexual promiscuity, hedonism, etc.? Which effects can certainly be shown to rise in association with increasing gay rights and open homosexuality. Everyone should have a shot at ratifying into Objective Natural Law their personal cost-benefit analyses of trading off radical liberty for safety/job security, right? It's only fair.

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>>4141004
>pussy marxist values
You wanna get shot, coward?

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>>4141230
>assuming homosexuality equals sexual promiscuity

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>>4141230
Your argument was literally shit and you brought it up, so you defend it. Where does this fear that teh gays will have sex all the time everywhere in public come from anyway? Do you even know what a gay is?

>> No.4141241

>>4141238
>Russians

>> No.4141242

>>4141238
>>4141239
It can be argued, is the point.

I'm gay.

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>>4141242
>my personal experience can be applied to every member of my group

You're not only gay, you're also a faggot.

>> No.4141249

>>4141242
>im a grill btw

>> No.4141255

>>4141215
good post

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>>4141238

>> No.4141261

>>4141221

> implying i'm not disgusted by that, too

Wouldn't be a very good reactionary if I wasn't disgusted by it, would I?

>> No.4141264

>>4141259
Infographics? Called it!
/pol/ pls go.

>> No.4141266

>>4140956
>thank god i dont have to live in this horseshit country anymore
Believe me, the feeling is absolutely mutual!

>> No.4141267

>>4141241
>racism

Learn to respect other cultures, even if their values seem alien to you.

>> No.4141270

>>4141264
>la la la! I can't hear your facts!

>> No.4141277

>>4141249
except that it's thematically relevant here as what is discussed affects him much more than it afffects the straight folk (not that guy)

>> No.4141279

>>4141028
>>4141020
>>4141036
>>4141044
Sure smells Jew in this thread!

Why aren't y'all in Israel instead, taking a last desperate stand to protect the purest of chosen bloodlines?

>> No.4141280

>>4141273
>i wonder why

Because it's a mental illness.

>> No.4141272

>>4141266

Russia, pls adopt.

I can't stand the overwhelming torrent of degeneracy that's sweeping over the West.

>> No.4141273

>>4141259
stopped reading at "the average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime" lmao

also
>50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals
i wonder why

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>>4141259
I find statistics to demean humans. How can you have any sort of ethics or morals when you treat humans as self-aware automata? Skinner and his utopia is like this. Sure your society is peaceful and perfect but there is no longer any sort of meaning to enjoy it.

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>>4141267
How funny, that same argument could be used against your argument.

>>4141270
>facts
>4chan infographic

choose none.

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>>4141275
>I find statistics to demean humans

leftist anti-intellectualism at its finest here, folks!

>> No.4141290

>>4141283

hitler lost ;)
romney lost ;)

>> No.4141286

guys im actually really curious
does anybody REALLY have 8 partners in a life time
does the majority of people REALLY only have 8 partners in a lifetime? this is unbelievable

>> No.4141288

>>4141273
well, if your group was doing something illegal and doing so was part of their nature, wouldn't you contemplate becoming an hero to avoid having to choose between your hormones and your society?

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>>4141282
>Quentin

>> No.4141292

>>4141102
>These are not values that are necessarily coming from the US to the rest of the world. There is no center.
Untrue.

A year or two ago Hillary Clinton made an official statement that gay rights is the number one priority of U.S. foreign policy.

I shit you not, that is literally what she said, in an official capacity.

Right after that, somehow, attendance of pride parades became a mandatory (!) ritual for all American diplomats, and French lawmakers forced a gay marriage law to pass, despite massive popular discontent and disapproval of the law.

>> No.4141296

no but seriously do people really only have 8 partners in a lifetime seriously

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>>4141291
>it is revealed
>I am a faggot
>woe is me

:'^(

>> No.4141308

>>4141286
Most people live sad lonely lives, that's the truth of it. I find it hard to believe that the notion is so alien to someone familiar with 4chan. I guess that it's hard for a homosexual man to understand that sex is not everything in life, lecherous creatures that you are.

>> No.4141312

>>4141308
>assuming

>> No.4141313

>>4141296
>>4141290
>>4141286
now that's what I call shitposting

>> No.4141314

>>4141286

My grandmother only slept with one man. She was married to him for 60 years. They loved each other and had a fulfilling life.

It happens.

>> No.4141317

>>4141308
dude im not gay

>> No.4141320

>>4141314
not in the gay community

their whole identity is centred around sex, is it any wonder that they are soulless vectors of disease?

>> No.4141323

>>4141291
oh wow what an angelic beautiful boy ;OOOOOOOO

>> No.4141325

>>4141320
And yet I won't be surprised when you start the "women are stupid animals hurr durr" rhetoric...

>>4141323
I've got good genes.

>> No.4141335

>>4141296
In reality, it's only about a quarter of men and two-thirds of women having casual sex on anything like a regular basis.

>> No.4141338

>>4141335
>quarter of men and two-thirds of women

>> No.4141340

>>4141259
>sex with a partner only one time
yeah, sorry but it's a different society than it was in 19 freaking 78. or 1980, which is when the next survey with a shocking number came out. your own infographics betray you, idiot.

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>>4141338
Yes, that's perfectly statistically plausible. A minority of men fuck the majority of women. Women are hypergamous.

>> No.4141343

>>4141259
also not going to take researches conducted by "Family Research Institute" seriously as they are obviously extremely biased

>> No.4141348

>>4141320
>their whole identity is centred around sex

yeah, how many gay people do you know and how many of them are solely defined by being gay?

>> No.4141358
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>>4140995
The police will actually come out to protect demonstrators. Citizens might hate the fuck out of them, but it's their right to protest.

>> No.4141360

>>4141037
>Russia has an even worse reputation for restricting liberties than ours

Did you even read the next sentence I wrote?

>> No.4141363

>>4141358
in my backwater european state this would not happen. The neonazis here must mask themselves as nationalists so the police doesn't have grounds to intervene. (a big part of the public is on their side though)

>> No.4141390

>>4141344
Pseudo-scientific buillshit. You cant trick me, nigger, I'm aware of your stupid roissy bullshit.

also
>even assuming what you say is true of this small subset of society, it doesn't prove anything about the average male or female
>7 billion humans you faggot

>> No.4141392

>>4141363
Bulgaria?

>> No.4141412

>>4141360
>The U.S. is a free country

You stated that you believe that 'murrca is a free country.
Try again.

>> No.4141442

>>4141390
>nigger,

/pol/ pls go