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Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:21:03 2013 No.4079821 [Reply] [Original]

Was this supposed to be mindblowing? Or is that only if you've somehow never heard of existentialism before?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:28:03 2013 No.4079842 back to highschool faggot

Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:28:03 2013 No.4079841

>>4079821
If you observe discussion of the book on reddit, you will realize that to those people it is mindblowing, so yes, it was supposed to be mindblowing.

It's his first novel though, so I think he should be cut some slack. I hear La peste and La chute are much better (maybe one day I'll get around to reading them).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:37:03 2013 No.4079857 >>4079821 It's a quick read with a somewhat decent plot and substance. Nothing more nothing less.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:45:04 2013 No.4079869 >>4079821 Because when you are done with it you realize you just enjoyed yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 1 23:49:03 2013 No.4079873 Nothing is supposed to be anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:12:03 2013 No.4079916 >>4079841 You need to read the plague bro. It's The Stranger with substance and character development. My favorite book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 00:21:03 2013 No.4079930 A poorly crafted work written by a hack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 03:15:03 2013 No.4080264 >>4079930 A poorly crafted post written by a shit-spewing buttmonkey. Wooo I can do it too!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 03:30:04 2013 No.4080292 >>4079821 It annoyed me. Why didn't he try to defend himself in court? What was his problem? It was far too postmodern for my taste. Everything was so ultimately insubstantial that I couldn't be suffered to give a shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 03:33:03 2013 No.4080299 >>4080264 What's the matter? Can't find an argument?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 03:40:03 2013 No.4080314 I went into the book expecting my world to be turned upside down and came out disappointed and annoyed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 03:42:03 2013 No.4080316 >>4080299 Not that Anon but you didn't make an argument either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 03:49:04 2013 No.4080323 >>4080316 It's a perfect argument. What are you? A retard?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 03:52:03 2013 No.4080328 >>4080292 >far too postmodern Camus has nothing to do with postmodernism and whenever I see someone just throw the "postmodern" label at something I want to punch a baby.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 04:04:03 2013 No.4080352 >>4080323 Oy vey

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 04:07:03 2013 No.4080358

>>4080292
I'm pretty sure part of it is that he was fucked anyway because of not caring about his mother dying, the impression of which is pretty much the caretaker and director's fault as much as his. His character witnesses, like Salamano, are useless. The trial essentially became the paracide trial that comes after his, which Camus hints at, not of the actual murder he commited. Also, on a more literal level, whenever he tried to talk his lawyer wouldnt let him.

I thought it was good. Hated the philosophy behind it though. I think it's better as just a story about a guy who's deeply traumatized by his mother's death and doesnt know how to deal with it.
Also, The Fall is pretty great.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 06:35:05 2013 No.4080532 >>4080314 >I went into the book expecting my world to be turned upside down and came out disappointed and annoyed. So it did turn your world upside down by not turning your world upside down

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 06:37:04 2013 No.4080537 >>4080328 you are far too prestructuralist to understand the occult postlinguistic issues that postpermeate the posthidden postnarratives in the posttext >post is to us what ism is to the 19th century

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 06:37:04 2013 No.4080539 File: 4 KB, 125x116, hand-drill.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was this supposed to be mindblowing? Or is that only if you've somehow never heard of fire making before?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 06:58:04 2013 No.4080569 le stranger is le leddit tier m8, don't believe everything you hear

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:00:04 2013 No.4080572 >>4080539 anon pls, stop being an ignorant retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:04:04 2013 No.4080577 >>4080572 >ololol epic trol bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:08:04 2013 No.4080581 >>4080577 camus didnt invent existentialism anon, he just wrote it for plebs

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:12:04 2013 No.4080587
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>existentialism
>substance and character development
>Why didn't he try to defend himself in court? What was his problem?
>far too postmodern
>went into the book expecting my world to be turned upside down
>le stranger is le leddit tier m8

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:16:04 2013 No.4080592 >>4080292 >Why didn't he try to defend himself in court? What was his problem? lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:17:04 2013 No.4080594 >>4080587 absurdism is just existentialism the first part of the myth of Sisyphus is a ctrlc ctrlv of husserls work

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:22:05 2013 No.4080601

>>4080292
he didnt have to defend himself or justify his actions, that is how I see it.
it is like if someone comes to your house and demands that you defend yourself against X accusation
"leave me alone"
that is how I see it, a lot of readers also try to link how he didnt feel bad for the death of his mother to the murder; that is the point of the book, the jurty didnt care so much about the murder than about the fact that they didnt understand him, the same with the readers, all readers try to make the protagonist guilty based on his feelings towards his mothers instead of actually analysing the murder itself, people blamed him for being different.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:24:05 2013 No.4080602 >>4080581 fire-drills didn't invent fire anon, they just made it available for plebs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:53:04 2013 No.4080629 >>4080594 Absurdism is not existentialism, you tool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:54:04 2013 No.4080632 >>4080587 /lit/ is dead

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:54:04 2013 No.4080633 >>4080629 but it is

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:55:04 2013 No.4080634 >>4080587 >let me quotes some words and ideas that i dont agree with and put le epic reaction face, that'll show them who's the boss here hehehe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:56:04 2013 No.4080636 >>4080632 le i dont wanna lyve on dis planet anymoar

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:56:04 2013 No.4080637 >>4080633 Embarrassing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 07:57:04 2013 No.4080639 >>4080637 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism#The_Absurd

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 08:01:04 2013 No.4080642 >>4080639 Camus was not an existentialist, he said so himself

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 08:02:04 2013 No.4080645 >>4080642 lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 08:03:04 2013 No.4080646 >>4080642 Murderers rarely claim they've committed any crime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 08:04:05 2013 No.4080647 >>4080642 That doesn't mean he wasn't, that means he was a special snowflake 2cool4mainstream

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 08:05:05 2013 No.4080649 >>4080642 le damage control engaged

>>	I'll just leave this here Mon Sep 2 08:23:04 2013 No.4080667 >>4080001

Anonymous Mon Sep 2 08:29:04 2013 No.4080672

Read into it psychoanalytically. It is spectacularly complex and beautiful.

Meursault fucked his mother. Jealous of Thomas Perez. Doesn't know how to grieve. Goes on an unconscious journey like a tragic hero. The novel is a journal, every character or event he wrote down because it 'stood out to him', ie it resonated with his unconscious: every character represents a part of himself

The Arab is a father figure
He is Salamano, the dog his mother

So interesting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 2 14:22:03 2013 No.4081306 >>4080672 It's a good thing I don't take psychology/psychoanalysis seriously

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