/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.4009077]

A /pol/ user made this: best Europeans of all time.

What say you /lit/

[Anonymous No.4009085]

We need to first agree on the standards used to comprise the notion of best.

[Anonymous No.4009087]

define "best".

[Anonymous No.4009092]

George Washington

[Anonymous No.4009093]

Define 'time'.

[Anonymous No.4009097]

>>4009087
Define define.

[Anonymous No.4009101]

>>4009077
>>4009085
>>4009087
Typical /lit/

[Anonymous No.4009117]

>pol

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009122]

>>4009077
It's actually decent.

Perfect really.

[Anonymous No.4009125]

>>4009077
>Caring about anything /pol/ says.

[Anonymous No.4009127]

>>4009101
>being unable to handle nuance
>"actually having to think about things hurts"
Typical /pol/

[Anonymous No.4009133]

Would Cesar count?

[Anonymous No.4009140]

>>4009133
fuck me i meant caesar

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009144]

>>4009133
As a European? Yeah.

I am assuming the image is split up into categories so he would have to replace Napoleon. I think Augustus was better all around though (if you are talking about Julius).

[Anonymous No.4009157]

>>4009144
prob. i think napoleon might be overrated

[Anonymous No.4009162]

Who is top left

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009174]

>>4009157
Napoleon is definitely not overrated but one of the Caesers may have been a better leader.

>>4009162
please leave forever

[Anonymous No.4009195]

Napoleon is definitely one of the most influential on that list, not sure about best.

[Anonymous No.4009214]

>old big nose with yarmulke
>old angry dude writing some lame emo poems or something
>old near-angry beard with mushroom hat
>old-ish fabulous hair wth dem bedroom eyes
>not-old tries to coordinate coat with onesie but forgot how to wear a fucking belt
>old fivehead pig nose

1/6, terrible

[Anonymous No.4009224]

>>4009174
idk either. is it alexander

[Anonymous No.4009223]

Get rid of Newton and replace him with Shakespeare and Wittgenstein. If you need a scientist throw in Copernicus.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009242]

>>4009224
...it's Homer....

>>4009214
>>>/fa/

>>4009223
You what

As big of a Leibniz fanboy as I am, that's just retarded. Why does /lit/ hate science (I don't mean to pick on you specifically but just a general trend I have noticed).

[Anonymous No.4009251]

>>4009223
>Get rid of Newton

U crazy?

Get read of homer and replace it with Shakespeare; get rid of Da Vinci and replace it with Michelangelo.

If I got it right it takes a person of each field of activity. If not so, I would also replace Socrates with Einstein and Napoleon with Tolstoy.

[Anonymous No.4009265]

>>4009251
>napoleon with tolstoy

NO. you need to have at least one military commander/emperor

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009273]

>>4009251
Homer is GOATer than Shakespeare prob, and you may have a point with Michelangelo but Leonardo da Vinci was polymath as fuck

>I would also replace Socrates with Einstein and Napoleon with Tolstoy.

>not having a single philosopher
>not having a single leader/general
>shig

[Anonymous No.4009280]

ovid > shakespeare > homer

[Anonymous No.4009288]

>>4009251

>defends Newton, who stole most of his works from the Ancients and was a Christian fundamentalist
>replacing the greatest painter of all time with some gay (actually probable) christian dude who stained some walls with his shit
>replacing Homer, the greatest poet of all time (but you wouldn't know because you can only read and speak English), with some mediocre dramafag
>replacing the greatest natural philosopher with some jew who stole all his work from his wife and made sure that hundreds of thousands of innocent people died
>wanting to include fucking Tolstoy, one of the greatest literary jokes of all time

>>4009265 is right, but I would recommend replacing the ploterian Napoleon with Beowulf instead.

[Anonymous No.4009290]

>>4009251
>Socrates with Einstein
You are literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.4009300]

Best Americans of all time?

[Anonymous No.4009309]

>>4009242
I can't speak for the rest of /lit/, I barely frequent this board. Also, I don't hate science, it just doesn't interest me like the written word and philosophy do.

Leibniz is cool and I didn't think of him but I'm not real big on rationalism or the rationalists. As far as Leibniz and mathematics... I'd be more inclined to say Frege, Boole, or Godel.

Anyway "best Europeans of all time" is vague so I've just listed my favorites.

[Anonymous No.4009311]

>>4009300
hahahhahhaa

[Anonymous No.4009312]

>>4009300

H.P Lovecraft, T.S. Eliot... uhhh, I uh... Okay, I haven't got anything else. Maybe Ronald McDonald or Lincoln count, if you're American?

[Anonymous No.4009314]

>>4009288
stop talking about thieves and christians like that

[Anonymous No.4009315]

>>4009288
How is being Christian a bad thing?

> is right, but I would recommend replacing the ploterian Napoleon with Beowulf instead.

get out

[Anonymous No.4009313]

>>4009300
GW
Ben Franklin
Stone Cold Steve Austin
David Allan Coe
Dale Earnhardt Jr.

[Anonymous No.4009319]

>>4009314

But thieves and christians are all horrible people....

[Anonymous No.4009322]

>>4009319
what an euphoric comment, almost as epic as the time I wanked in my fedora and tipped it all over your mom

[Anonymous No.4009324]

>>4009315

Okay, right, I'm shitty at typing. But you leave a gap between your greentext arrow and your greentext, so I think we are even.

Do you want a complete dissertion of all the horrible things the christians did, and all the beautiful culture that they destroyed? I have some literary recommendations if you would like.

[Anonymous No.4009329]

>>4009322

Intrigueing. Have you drawn many picture of my mother?

[Anonymous No.4009330]

Getting rid of Homer would be completely contrary to what I think the point of this post is. Excellent poet and he's responsible for what was essentially the first bible in Western culture. Also, this thread is distinctly missing Marx.

[Anonymous No.4009337]

>>4009077
Homer
Goethe
Newton
Shakespeare
Alexander the Great
Cicero

[Anonymous No.4009338]

>>4009330

Right, could you motivate Marx, except that he is responsible for one of the most degenerate movements of all time and was a pretty shitty jewish writer?

[Anonymous No.4009340]

>>4009324
Plenty of cultures have destroyed other cultures and done horrible things in the name of advancing themselves. What makes the Christians any different? The fact you've singled them out implies you are of a certain breed of dim-witted bandwagon riding cretin who would be more at home in an echo chamber with other euphoric individuals such as yourself repeating your near-sighted opinions over and over again.

[Anonymous No.4009341]

>>4009330
Marx is not one of the six greatest Europeans of all time.

[Anonymous No.4009342]

>>4009329
would you like me to?

[Anonymous No.4009344]

>>4009324
>Do you want a complete dissertion of all the horrible things the christians did, and all the beautiful culture that they destroyed?

I'm not sure if you are new, but the agnostics here are massive apologists who will only fap to pics of priests sucking off alter boys. Say anything negative against Christians and they start screaming because, you know, "bible is teh cornerstone of western literature".

[Anonymous No.4009347]

>>4009330
>including a commie bastard who was trying to destroy western society and had followers who were tyrannical assholes that killed millions for a shitty impractical flawed political philosophy

[Anonymous No.4009348]

>>4009344
Like this asshole here >>4009340

[Anonymous No.4009349]

>>4009344
Just leave, your brand of anti-intellectualism is really not welcome here.

[Anonymous No.4009350]

>>4009340

Well, would you like to mention some examples except Judeo-Christianity and Islam?
The Judeo-Christian religion and morality is completely foreign to us Germanics, and I hold it as the greatest tragedy to ever happen that it permeated the north.

[Anonymous No.4009353]

>>4009342

Yes, it would be wonderful to see your artistic talents.

[Anonymous No.4009354]

>>4009330
>Marx
0/10

[Anonymous No.4009352]

>>4009344
There's no need to samefag to back yourself up.

[Anonymous No.4009357]

>>4009352

Oh no there is more than one person who doesn't like Christianity! Better call him a samefag!

[Anonymous No.4009358]

>>4009350
Oh God, another creepy, racist 'neopaganist'. Do you guys realize that you're basically on the same tier as Wicca?

[Anonymous No.4009361]

>>4009357
It's not wise, Anon. On /lit/ Christians can do no wrong, and atheists are evil.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009370]

>>4009330
I agree, I agree, I agree! Wow this guy is-
>distinctly missing Marx.
ya blew it

>>4009300
In order of category like the OP

Melville, John Cage, Ben Franklin
______*, Washington, _______*+

*Great American scientists: Hubble, Feynman, Gell-man, Oppenheimer, Witten, Weinberg, John Wheeler

Can't choose


*+Great American philosophers: Paine (english-american though), Thoreau, Emerson, James were the ones I was thinking of but someone else should fill in here.

[Anonymous No.4009371]

>>4009251
>>4009330

>Einstein
>Tolstoy
>Leibniz
>Marx

>European

Oy ve! Oy ve!

[Anonymous No.4009375]

>>4009350
Very well

Spaniards (South American genocide hijinks)
Americans (Destroyed Native American Cultures)
Germans (Warred with French and Austrians to form unified state based on their culture)
Zulus (Forcibly assimilated African tribes in their conquest)
Germans, Again (Holocaust, Germanic cultural supremacy policies)
English (Colonialism, maimed the Scottish culture after Culloden)
and etc

What I described is pretty much what all cultures do. What you're doing, is picking out a murderer out of a crowd of murderers and shouting at them "YOU, YOU ARE A BAD PERSON AND YOU ARE AWFUL" without noticing everybody else.

>>4009348
somebody has hurt feelings

[Anonymous No.4009376]

>>4009290

Just because you can’t understand math does not mean that Socrates is more important.

You like Socrates because you can read the dialogues of Plato and understand them (it is not that difficult), and for this reason you feel smart, you feel that you are learning some of the most profound truths and information’s about the universe and human life. Well, since you can read and understand Socrates (and the majority of people can’t, or rather don’t do it), it is certain that Socrates is one of the most important human beings of all time, right? In reality this shows that your love for Socrates and the pilosophers is actually a love of yourself: you can’t understand science (even less contribute to it), so it is not that important (you will not admit such scar on your ego).

But that does not change the fact that the sciences are more important than philosophy. Currently philosophy students are just guys who want to integrate the intellectual elite but have no ability to learn mathematics.

I like philosophy (and among philosophers Socrates is one of my favorites, along with Montaigne), but one must admit that science is more important and useful to society.

U mad?

[Anonymous No.4009378]

>>4009357
>>4009361
I'm just overly hopeful that there isn't more than one eternally upset child who acts and behaves like this.

[Anonymous No.4009379]

>>4009358

Oh dear, someone calling the lord's name in vain, throwing baseless accusations of neopaganism, neospiritualism and racism at his fellow brothers instead of showing the other cheek!

[Anonymous No.4009381]

>>4009370
You can't have Franklin or Washington; they were born in a British Colony.

[Anonymous No.4009385]

>>4009378
No, there's quite a few of them. But most of them just side with the Christians because they find the new-atheists intolerable.

[Anonymous No.4009386]

>>4009375

Right, I should have asked for examples of >>important<< cultures being wiped out.

[Anonymous No.4009389]

>>4009386
You're not very good at this, are you?

[Anonymous No.4009390]

>>4009385

Indeed, I do find atheists even more repulsive than Christian fundamentalists. Catholics can be acceptable in some cases.

[Anonymous No.4009391]

>>4009370
Great American scientists is missing Tesla (although I guess one could argue that he shouldn't be counted as American) and Von Neumann. I think they should at least upstage Hubble and Feynman.

[Anonymous No.4009392]

>>4009389

Butthurt leftist detected.

[Anonymous No.4009394]

>>4009353
here you go

[Anonymous No.4009395]

>>4009375
Get off your tin pot, exactly how are they native. Most so called scientists claim they came over on a land bridge from asia to the americas. Some might argue from the types of weapons found that they came from europe in boats.

Either way, they're not native, they've just been here longer than we have and so the fuck what? Go back to PBS and suckup to obama.

[Anonymous No.4009396]

>>4009394

That's not my mother, she is Nordic and has red hair. I think you have mistaken your chink cousin for my mother.

[Anonymous No.4009397]

>>4009392
How am I a leftist? I'm the one who been against the guy who seems to think that Christianity is the only source of bad things in the world.

[Anonymous No.4009398]

>>4009288

Man...you have serious cognitive problems. You believe in infantile rumors and has not the slightest ability to distinguish what is great art.

Read this book, fagot:

http://www.amazon.com/Human-Accomplishment-Pursuit-Excellence-Sciences/dp/0060929642/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375906767&sr=8-1&keywords=human+accomplishment

Shakespeare and Michelangelo are at the top place in their fields (and that according with the opinion of several artists from their areas over many, many years).

Also, my mother tongue is portuguese, not english.

And:

>>4009376

You will never accomplish anything of value.

[Anonymous No.4009399]

>>4009376
Not him, but clearly Socrates' major contribution isn't the specific information he imparts in Plato's dialogues, but the philosophy and mindset of scepticism which he made an inalienable part of Western civilization, and which underpins all scientific endeavour.

[Anonymous No.4009401]

>>4009397

I, uh.... you're mother!

[Anonymous No.4009402]

>>4009396
I tried. I have a restless urge to procreate with an Asian woman and I hope to have sex with one someday.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009405]

>>4009371
two people on that list are Jewish

>>4009381
sigh

>>4009391
I guess Tesla could count, and thank you I completely forgot von neumann (wasn't thinking about math)

[Anonymous No.4009408]

>>4009395
Doesn't matter if they're native or not, they're cultures which have been destroyed by other cultures which was what I was trying to get across to Mister Euphoric Fedora wearing Wicca over here.

[Anonymous No.4009415]

>>4009398

Yeah, Shakespeare was one of the best dramafags to live, if you leave out... all of the hellenistic playwrites.
The fact that you are a subhuman doesn't justify the fact that you can't read Old Greek.

Also, get a load of this faggot who is recommending Charles Murray hahahahaha

[Anonymous No.4009417]

>>4009396
>nordic
>red hair

[Anonymous No.4009418]

>>4009390
>I do find atheists even more repulsive than Christian fundamentalists

[Anonymous No.4009419]

>>4009402

It's okay, Anon. I wish you luck in your quest.

>>4009405

All of them have Jewish blood, and none of them were European.

[Anonymous No.4009420]

This thread is epic!

[Anonymous No.4009421]

Homer
Plato
Leonardo da Vinci
Bach
Goethe
Einstein

that's it, losers

[Anonymous No.4009425]

>>4009417

Yeah, it's only like... one of the most distinctive attributes that is common among Northern Europeans.

[Anonymous No.4009427]

>>4009418

All right, you win. I have seen the comic before, so I should have seen that coming.

[Anonymous No.4009428]

Why not a list of the most influential Europeans of all time?

>Napoleon
Practically set the stage for socialism and fascism with his "spread liberalism and nationalism errywhere" shtick

>George Washington
Invented USA and beat the British Vampires

[Anonymous No.4009430]

>>4009421

>Einstein
>European

[Anonymous No.4009432]

>>4009428

I agree, but what is your problem with Fascism? Granted, it had some proletarian elements, but it was pretty much as good as it could get under the circumstances.

[Anonymous No.4009434]

>>4009430
Yes

[Anonymous No.4009435]

>>4009398
I have a question for you, I need someone to answer this. Please do, it has nothing to do with this tread at all.

What's the difference between Brasil and Brazil.
I've been told that Brasil is the proper way to write it because that's of the Portugese origin. Brazil is more Spanish.

Am I right, wrong or what?

[Anonymous No.4009440]

>>4009434

>implying

[Anonymous No.4009441]

>>4009435

You are right about that.

[Anonymous No.4009442]

>>4009432
I don't have any problem with it, I 'm saying that Napoleon not existing would mean Fascism and all the other -isms would've probably not existed.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009445]

>>4009419
Leibniz and Tolstoy had jewish blood?

[Anonymous No.4009446]

>>4009432
What's your problem with jews?

[Anonymous No.4009447]

I'm pretty Jews in Europe are and/or were mainly descended from native converts to the religion, not from the Jewish tribes of the Bible.

[Anonymous No.4009448]

>>4009440
Einstein's family had lived in Europe for multiple generations, they are as European as Americans are American

[Anonymous No.4009450]

>>4009447
This was in reply to >>4009440

[Anonymous No.4009451]

>>4009445

Yup.

[Anonymous No.4009453]

>yfw this was a /pol/ trap for /lit/ to discuss jews
abondon thread

[Anonymous No.4009454]

Don't see why people include Da Vinci.
I would say

Hegel
Goethe
Alan Turing
Plato
Bismarck
Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.4009457]

One day, I will find my ideal, virginal, intelligent and proud Asian gf. We will hug, hold hands and go to movies. We will get married.

I want to ejaculate inside her and make Eurasian children and raise them as my own spawn.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009458]

>>4009370
>>4009300
>>4009312
>>4009311
>>4009313
Pic related (free to make changes)

>>4009447
They are of course, but this is 4chan.org

[Anonymous No.4009459]

>>4009445
Whenever you post someting I read it in this whiny white boy voice
>Leibniez and Tolsooy had jeewiish bloood?
lel it's hilarious

[Anonymous No.4009460]

>>4009446

I never said anything about them? The anti-semitism in Fascism was a product of circumstances, and not of the underlying ideology. Lots of jews held high positions before 1938.

[Anonymous No.4009461]

>>4009454
I replace Shakespeare with Edouard Manet.

[Anonymous No.4009463]

>>4009442
Riiiiiggggt... and without that it would be Utopia.
That's a book you should read.

[Anonymous No.4009465]

>>4009447

lolno

Well some may be, but the majority of hasidic jews can be tracked back genetically to four women thousands of years ago.

[Anonymous No.4009466]

>>4009459

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009467]

>>4009451
I wouldn't think so since they were both so Christian. I also checked their early biographies on wiki before posting and I didn't catch anything like "born into a jewish family..."

[Anonymous No.4009464]

>>4009457
Same.

[Anonymous No.4009470]

>>4009467

Not completely jewish, of course, but there are jews in their families. Hang on, I'll see if I can find you a source.

[Anonymous No.4009471]

>>4009460
Don't get defensive, it was just a question.

[Anonymous No.4009472]

>>4009471

I'm not getting defensive... except when you are accusing me of getting defensive.

[Anonymous No.4009477]

>>4009472
hahaha ok, let's end this... Joe Strummer.

Joe Strummer - Burning Lights (I Hired a Contract Killer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I9KXRr3VhI

[Anonymous No.4009480]

>>4009402
>I have a restless urge to procreate with an Asian woman and I hope to have sex with one someday.

I had exactly the same urge, though you may not like my method.

Out of sheer boredom, I found a volunteer organisation that worked with some NGO's in Cambodia, and signed up for two months. For the first month I was the only guy sharing the organisations guesthouse with between 8 and 12 girls, mostly Brit, Irish, American, and Australian girls (It seems girls buy in to 'voluntourism' a lot more) and I successfully managed, although very drunk, to fuck 4 different white girls over those two months. Most people sign up for 1 - 2 weeks, so the girls are always changing. Unfortunately they are all new-age, vegan types that want a facebook picture with a brown kid to show everyone their altruism, but if you feign an interest in them they're pretty horny when drunk.

Around the start of the second month a Kiwi guy showed up and i had to share my room with him. I immediately stopped going drinking with the girls every night, tolerating their bullshit in the hopes of getting my dick wet, and he and I would venture out to explore the seedier parts Phnom Penh. This included massage parlous, hostess bars, and playing around with the Freelancers at Heart of Darkness and Sharkeys. Girls there can be had for between $10 - $25, and they fucking love Western men. The Kiwi was only there for two weeks, but between us we managed 18 cute little Khmer girls.

Needless to say my urge was satisfied.

[Anonymous No.4009483]

>>4009477

Blessings, anon

[Anonymous No.4009485]

>>4009338
>>4009347
Ahahaha. You've clearly never read Marx. And worse you blindly accept the contemporary cultural conception of his theory and motives. How sad.

>including a commie bastard who was trying to destroy western society and had followers who were tyrannical assholes that killed millions for a shitty impractical flawed political philosophy.

> he is responsible for one of the most degenerate movements of all time

First of all, Marx was a remarkable historian and based his political system off of Hegel's dialectic. The result was a system, which could in theory bring about the end of the human tradition of brutal economic injustice, capitalism, social Darwinism, lord and serf, freeman and slave etc. etc. He referred to Capitalism as "Dictatorship of the bourgeoisie" and Socialism as "Dictatorship of the proletariat". His ideal communism would be classless and stateless which are conditions that do not allow for dictatorship.

Secondly, the Soviets were "communists" but they were also authoritarians. Instead of being stateless and classless they centralized the state and allocated all of the wealth toward themselves, not towards the people as Marx had envisioned. They commited a number of human rights atrocities but they were not Marxists. Marx was dead before the Soviets so I do not think it is correct to say that he is "responsible" for them. In fact, had he been alive he would have been appalled to hear that their actions were being attributed to his ideas. "I am not a Marxist" is a direct quote from him in response to similar accusations.

Trotsky and Lenin were partly a Marxist, yeah but they had more to do with the Bolshevik uprising and nothing to do with the brutality. Stalin was a tyrant who was a product of his time... in part an alternative to the former tsars and also a response to the world wars.

Regardless, I did not suggest Stalin or Lenin or even Trotsky for being one of the 'best' Europeans of all time. I mentioned Marx for his historical importance.

Do some actual research before you jump to outrageous conclusions and accusations. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.4009486]

>>4009480
You sound like a standard socialist do gooder weirdo that votes for obama and billary.

Asshole, but it's your vote, you can vote to be fuckup, that's your right.

verif: tonastra population

[Anonymous No.4009490]

Proper list:

Archimedes
Michelangelo
Shakespeare
Einstein
Alexander
Mozart

[Anonymous No.4009487]

>>4009486
Is this some kind of /pol/ pasta?

[Anonymous No.4009489]

>>4009480
That's a great story. Something that could be posted on /trv/ in those travelling stories thread

[Anonymous No.4009491]

>>4009486
It's awful to do good, isn't it

[Anonymous No.4009493]

>>4009485
Derp de derp, in theory if everyone was my slave and did my bidding I'd do quite well... derp derp, that's marx in a sentance.

A standard moron.
Same with NAZIs.

OOPS reality comes in the door, they didn't of that in their stupid utopian books did they?

[Anonymous No.4009494]

>>4009485
Marx was an authoritarian. Bakunin predicted his theory would lead to a red despotism long before lenin and stalin et al.

[Anonymous No.4009498]

>>4009485

All right, he might just have been the strawman for the communists... I've only read his manifesto in English, but I found it lacking in literary qualities and except for parts of the polemic against capitalism I found it to be pretty much worthless. Regardless of his intents, the ideology was degenerative and also very unrealistic.

[Anonymous No.4009499]

>>4009491
Depends on what you mean by good. If you mean it for absolution of your bullshit then no, and then again it depends on the meaning of good. Just don't fuck with other people and don't think that you're better than others. Because there's always, always someone quicker than yourself.

Do gooder types cause a lot more harm than they know, they're too stupid to know any better.

[Anonymous No.4009500]

>>4009480
Were they underage?

[Anonymous No.4009503]

>>4009454
You can't have turing or bismark. hegel is dodgy. and manet is taking the piss

[Anonymous No.4009506]

>>4009503

What's wrong With Bismarck?

[Anonymous No.4009509]

>>4009506
Bismarck was a pussy fuccboi who got told by the German socialists to fuck off to The Netherlands and there he cried in his mansion about muh backstabbing

[Anonymous No.4009511]

>>4009503
Why not turing?
Why not bismarck?

I put manet in because of his painting of the girl in front of the railroad grating. Only kid who actually used artistic revolution to do something good. Then picasso done fucked up.

[Anonymous No.4009512]

>>4009506
he's not napoleon, caesar, fredrick the great or alexander

[Anonymous No.4009514]

>>4009509
He was a shadowsmith. The true german man.

[Anonymous No.4009515]

>>4009511
>Why not turing?

archimedes, euler, gauss, newton, cantor etc etc

[Anonymous No.4009516]

>>4009512
Ambitious but not role models.

[Anonymous No.4009517]

Greatest Americans

George Washington
Ben Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
FDR
Lincoln
Nikoli Tesla
Einstein

[Anonymous No.4009518]

>>4009509

>defending socialists

>>4009511

Turing was gay. But I guess it might be okay to include him...

>>4009512

I thought we discussed Napoleon already....

[Anonymous No.4009520]

>>4009376
>Just because you can’t understand math does not mean that Socrates is more important.
>Plato and understand them (it is not that difficult)
>But that does not change the fact that the sciences are more important than philosophy.
>Currently philosophy students are just guys who want to integrate the intellectual elite but have no ability to learn mathematics.
>but one must admit that science is more important

Oh wow,

Would you just look at this >>>/b/ material.

Let me quote this so that everyone can see how clinically retarded, philosophically uninformed and dogmatically prejudiced you are.

[Anonymous No.4009521]

>>4009515
Might replace Goethe with newton, then.
I feel turing should be in there.

[Anonymous No.4009522]

>>4009480
Just out of curiosity, what was the name of the organization you worked for? I've done similar things but I've never been abroad. I tried Tibet once and not only did they want me to pay but they offered free wifi. I'm not down with that sort of thing since I have no reason for Wifi in an impoverished land. Also, since I am a worker and not a student I figured that if I'm volunteering the actual work I do would be more than enough to cover air fair etc. Seemed like a scam for yuppies and not the real deal. Mind elaborating?

[Anonymous No.4009525]

>>4009512
Also Bismarck wasn't simply a conqueror.

[Anonymous No.4009531]

>>4009520

You mad bro?

He mad son.

[Anonymous No.4009532]

>>4009521

>Newton
>the Christian fundamentalist preudo-scientist who stole all his work

[Anonymous No.4009536]

>>4009532
[citation needed]

Preferably something with an ISBN.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009537]

>>4009532

[Anonymous No.4009538]

>>4009500
>Were they underage?
I don't think so. The trouble with Khmer girls is that 13 yo's look 13, and 30 yo's look 13. They are all around five foot, small breasts, unwrinkled smooth faces ... there's no real way of telling.

To reduce my chances of getting a child I ignored the street walkers. These are everywhere after sunset, almost as annoying as the Tuk Tuks and motodops, and a mix of really old and really young; they will jump on you, grab your hands and try to pull you to a guesthouse, and often only ask $3 or $5 for full sex.

The Hostess bars are okay - the girls are 'employed' there, and you have to buy them 'lady drinks' and barfine them to take them home. With them, and the freelance girls in the main clubs, i took the view that if they are allowed to drink and work in bars and openly flirt and solicit without anyone caring, then they are old enough for me to take to a dimly lit room for an hour. I haven't actually looked at the legal drinking age for clubs, but there wasn't really much else I could do.

The only dubious time was a girl in a massage parlour. We had gone in for a 'massage palour experience', to see if the massage did include sex (it did), but the girl I got did look a little on the young side. She said she was 18 when I questioned her, though.

[Anonymous No.4009539]

>>4009532
Hardly matters.
The information we associate him with is valuable.
He could be an abstract geometrical shape resembling a qt jap somehow called Booton Pickslime for all I care.

[Anonymous No.4009542]

>>4009538
At least you aren't full hedon.
I'd've probably gone for some of that.

[Anonymous No.4009546]

>>4009518
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.4009550]

>>4009536

The Cosmic Calculator by Kenneth Williams and Mark Gaskell. I can find you some more if you want, I just have to go see if I can find the books.

[Anonymous No.4009552]

>>4009546

But /pol/ would never allow turing, unlike yours truly who is so fantastically altruistic.

[Anonymous No.4009555]

>>4009493
Not sure if completely missing the point or just trolling.

> in theory if everyone was my slave and did my bidding I'd do quite well... derp derp, that's marx in a sentance.

Not going to have this debate on a literature board. If you can't into theory that's your problem. Marx never had any political power apart his ideas and words so I'm not sure why you're bring slaves into it. Marx helped to seriously shape western sociology, political and economic theory, and his work serves as a model for hope for the historically oppressed and the future of the human race by basically claiming that egalitarian communism (collectivism) is the necessary outcome in the evolution of economics and transition from capitalism to socialism. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.4009556]

>>4009550
>Kenneth Williams
Oh, matron!

[Anonymous No.4009559]

>>4009556

It's a fairly common name...

[Anonymous No.4009560]

>>4009480
>irls there can be had for between $10 - $25, and they fucking love Western men

Why this love for western man? Just that only that common attraction between people of different ethnicities (which some say is an attraction device nurtured by evolution, since the progeny of people with great genetic difference would generally be healthier than that of people with very similar DNA)?

Or does it have anything to do with penis size? Or Western men are (in theory) less sexist?

My dream is to go to Japan to have sex with the women there (even if only in brothels).

[Anonymous No.4009561]

>>4009550
A "Vedic mathematics" textbook? What does that have to do with anything? And please remember to cite chapter(s) and page number(s) if you present a book as a source.

[Anonymous No.4009563]

>>4009560

Because western men are generally very masculine, at least compared to asian men. Same with asian women compared to western women when it comes to femininity (personally I am more attracted to strong women, though).

[Anonymous No.4009567]

>>4009560
Japan doesn't have brothels.
That's South Korea.
Even the Japs go to South Korea to have sex with them inferiors.

[Anonymous No.4009568]

>>4009561

It has to do with that the vedics mastered calculus and astronomy a couple of thousand of years ago. I don't remember what chapter... One of the early ones, I believe.

[Anonymous No.4009570]

>>4009567

I thought SK's were a superior race? Don't they have pale skin and better physical appearances in general?

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009572]

>>4009563
are you saying Asian women are more feminine than western women?

[Anonymous No.4009574]

>>4009568
> the vedics mastered calculus and astronomy a couple of thousand of years ago

That didn't happen. Do you even know what calculus is? By definition, no-one was doing calculus until Newton and Leibniz.

[Anonymous No.4009576]

>>4009570
Yeah, I was actually just over there.
South Koreans are quite good looking and well dressed, if we're talking about the girls.

[Anonymous No.4009577]

>>4009572

Uh, yes? In the sense that they are "weaker" and more empathic.

[Anonymous No.4009579]

>>4009077
It's a pretty good list, surprised no Hitler / Charles Martel / Richard I / Vladimir Putin / Ron Paul.

Napoleon doesn't strike me as /pol/'s favourite at all. Hmm.

[Anonymous No.4009580]

>>4009498
The communist manifesto was exactly what it was called. It was written for a practical purpose - to unite the people to stand against the injustice against the working class and the larger problem of class inequality in post-industrial Europe. If you want to read his theory, pick up Das Kapital. It's a little bit bigger and it wasn't written for consumption by the common coal miners, for lack of a better way of putting it.

[Anonymous No.4009582]

>>4009577
Empathetic, not necessarily.

[Anonymous No.4009584]

>>4009552
Nigga, I don't believe in altruism but doing good is not a bad thing. They're still helping.

[Anonymous No.4009585]

>>4009579

>Putin
>Ron Paul

>European

Bro I think you confused "white" with "European".

[Anonymous No.4009587]

>>4009580

I know what it was called. I read it. I will pick up some of his other work, but I won't promise to read more than I can stomach.

[Anonymous No.4009588]

>>4009567

I've already researched this and it seems that there are brothels there, but they are rare. There are massage parlors (they are more common), but according to what I read the girls there do not go to the happy ending.

Brothels, however, according to my research, are quite expensive, and they owners do not see foreigners with good eyes (maybe they are jelly of our aesthetics, lel).

Well, I guess I'll have to seduce some girl in a karaoke house .lel.

This site is interesting: Japan Cupid. Perhaps before traveling I will make contacts through it.

[Anonymous No.4009590]

>>4009582

*Empathetic, fucking damn it. But you were there, right? Mind telling us how it actually is?

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009593]

>>4009577
I'd strongly disagree.. maybe personality wise but damn they don't have the most womanly figures.

[Anonymous No.4009596]

>>4009588
>karaoke house
What are you looking for, middle school students?
And what are you, some sort of /jp/ crossboarder who got interested in Sartre?

[Anonymous No.4009599]

>>4009593

I meant mainly personality-wise. They are also petite which some men like.

[Anonymous No.4009602]

>>4009596

>not looking for middle school students
>not crossboarding /lit/ with /y/ and /v/

[Anonymous No.4009605]

>>4009590
South Korean women?

Good looking, short and in comparison to japs, not shy at all. Contrary to popular belief not sluts. I think actually South Korea is quite conservative. You can't look up internet pornography without it being blocked.

[Anonymous No.4009613]

>>4009602
>/v/
Ha! Gaaaaaay!

Personally I enjoy a mix of /a/, /jp/ and /lit/.
Some times throw some /x/ in but I get spooked and think there's a small red eye floating constantly behind my head.

[Anonymous No.4009618]

>>4009605

Huh, interesting. You wouldn't think that they were conservative what with their mindless technology-euphoria...

[Anonymous No.4009620]

>>4009613

....I was joking.

I don't visit other boards, except for specific requirements or for shits&giggles.

[Anonymous No.4009621]

>>4009602
Wait a second, yaoi?

Been reading too many of the Greeks?

[Anonymous No.4009626]

>>4009620
Wait, you entered 4chan through /lit/?

[Anonymous No.4009625]

>>4009596

No, I'm a regular guy: a tall, beautiful and healthy young man. I have good relationships with women, and would never abuse a minor. But since I read "Snow Country" I was fascinated with Japanese women (they are beautiful, gentle, intelligent), and I want to sleep with one of them.

What's wrong with that? Also, I tough that Karaoke houses were frequented by adults as well as teenagers.

By the way: I like Anime, butI have watched very few: Samurai Champloo, Cowboy Beebop, Death Note, DBZ, Samurai X, Saint Seya - I think I just watched these. I also loved (and love) to read Vagabond.

[Anonymous No.4009627]

>>4009522
>Mind elaborating?
I went with a company called IVHQ. They don't pay you or pay for anything you do. It's not my sort of thing really, but I was working a 9-5 here, had a lot of money, and was slowly losing the will to live under fluorescent tube lighting and the constant smell of coffee. Everyone I know is either working, or in full-time education, and I couldn't find anyone wanting to take the multi-month break I needed. As I hate travelling alone, this was really the only thing open to me.

I checked out quite a few organizations, and this one seemed the most honest, and cheapest. Nearly all of the money you give to them goes on your food, electricity, other utilities and costs. You are providing your labour for free, and they can't pay you (so they say) because they are not making a direct profit from your labour.

If you object to that, you can contact various NGO's directly and they will employ you (the wage is small), but they will need a relevant degree, preferably experience (which seems to usually be gained through a volunteer scheme), but there are quite a few people competing to be one.

I know what you are saying about the money, but it wasn't really an issue for me. The only thing I didn't like was the new-age feminist mindset and agenda they tried to push on me. One of the days was spent listening to a talk from some middle-class white woman who felt "the poor Cambodians were being exploited by 'sexpats' and sex tourists, and they needed to be liberated from this enslavement" – ironically, this was on a day where I had been with a Khmer bargirl in a guesthouse the night before.

Both Ben (the Kiwi guy) and I started a debate with her and a few other bleeding heart girls that got very heated.

...But yeah, the volunteer organisation wont pay for anything, you'll have to work directly for an NGO if you want financial compensation..

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009632]

>>4009599
true dat

>>4009626
I feel like that would be impossible

[Anonymous No.4009634]

>>4009626

No, I entered it through /g/ actually. But I quickly realized that it was basically 95% consumer electronics.

[Anonymous No.4009636]

>>4009625
I personally became interested in fucking japs through news reporter pornography in which the female news reporter pretends she isnt being penetrated as she attempts ultimately in failure to read the news.
Come on, you neets know what I'm watching.

[Anonymous No.4009638]

>>4009625
>Vagabond
Miyamoto Musashi is a pretty interesting character.
Personally am interested in Noh and Kabuki the most of Jap Culch.

[Anonymous No.4009639]

>>4009587
You may just want to save yourself the trouble. In complete honesty it's one bitch of a book. If you do decide to rough it make sure to pick up a companion book as well.

[Anonymous No.4009640]

>>4009560
>Why this love for western man?
Well, in Cambodia the min wage is just over $30 a month for a factory worker – western men are all millionaires. Also, we are giants that are nearly a foot taller than the men over there, have more body hair, deeper voices, and the desirable pale skin. Mostly, western guys just represent a life that the women there want. You will even see a lot of men in their 60's with an 18yo girl on their arm there.

This is just Cambodia though; every Asian country has a different attitude to westerners

[Anonymous No.4009641]

>>4009517

>tesla
>murriclap

[Anonymous No.4009642]

>>4009626

Not him, but I joined it because my brother said that all the internet memes and jokes appeared on 4chan, a lawless place where anything was permitted. I was curious and decided to visit 4chan. At first I thought: "My God, what a mess: how can one find in the middle of this chaos," but gradually I got used to it.

Early on I became interested just by /lit/. The famous /b/ has always been for me a boring place where people are more concerned with trying to shock than to produce interesting material.

Currently I also like to go to /fa/ and /fit/ (and also /pol/, for the lulz).

[Anonymous No.4009643]

>>4009634
I went on /g/ as well, for a while.
Programming threads were interesting, but too difficult.

[Anonymous No.4009644]

>>4009454

>hegel

[Anonymous No.4009645]

>>4009632
How did you enter 4chan, trippy?

[Anonymous No.4009646]

>>4009636
Jesus, where can I find stuff like that? pls reply

[Anonymous No.4009647]

>>4009454

Da Vinci was arguably the most perfect and exalted human being to ever live.

Deal with it

[Anonymous No.4009648]

>>4009625

Okay, /lit/, let's discuss anime. Disregard this guy who has terrible taste, and tell me if there are some good works that are comparable to decent written fantasy?
So far I've found Ergo Proxy, Darker Than Black, Serial Experiments Lain, Requiem for the Phantom but especially Mononoke and Texhnolyze to be very good.

[Anonymous No.4009649]

>>4009627
>a talk from some middle-class white woman who felt "the poor Cambodians were being exploited by 'sexpats' and sex tourists, and they needed to be liberated from this enslavement"
she's right though. its a poor country and you are taking advantage of the girls there because you have money.

[Anonymous No.4009650]

>>4009480

top lel

enjoy your clap

[Anonymous No.4009651]

>>4009644
What's wrong with hegel?
I've been reading phenomenology of spirit for a while now and had the sneaking suspicion that it was considered utter shit but noone was telling me for some strange reason.

[Anonymous No.4009654]

>>4009639

All right, I think I will skip it. Thanks. I know it's a pretty awful, but I think I know Marx fairly well through some of his more vocal critics.

[Anonymous No.4009655]

>>4009646
http://www.xvideos.com/video4840357/azumi_mizushima_news_reporter_fuck_-_xvideos.com
Lets hope I don't get banned.

[Anonymous No.4009658]

>>4009642
> The famous /b/ has always been for me a boring place where people are more concerned with trying to shock than to produce interesting material.

Unless you've been here for 5 or 6 years you wouldn't even have caught the tail end of /b/'s glory days, so that attitude is perfectly understandable.

[Anonymous No.4009659]

>>4009647
According to someone's 4th grade Science teacher who did a masters in "Education".

[Anonymous No.4009661]

>>4009648
If you want something deep, Lain is best.
Personally Hidamari Sketch, Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailor Moon are best because they are free from cirticism in their unending naivete and lack of point or reality.

[Anonymous No.4009665]

>>4009648
Your taste is pretty shit too. I'm of the opinion that you don't understand anime until you start to enjoy shows like Girls und Panzer.

That said, Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009662]

>>4009645
I started using 4chan regularly around 2 years~ ago when I discovered /mu/ (because I heard they liked Varg Vikernes, lel).

I mean, I had been on 4chan before that (/b/ and /s/ a long time ago, I remember being younger & seeing a decrepit, naked old woman and being scarred) but /mu/ was when I came to the site frequently.

[Anonymous No.4009663]

>>4009651

Just consider all the bullshit terms he makes up to replace words that already exists.

[Anonymous No.4009664]

Thanks for the information. Money is only really an issue because I have none, which is why my ideal organization would accept my skills and labor as payment for housing. I mean, bringing rent into the equation is a bit contrary to the whole ideal of being non-profit and also I don't have rent money.

Regardless, I can't be arsed to participate in brain dead, bleeding heart agendas. I'd much rather build houses than listen to feminist seminars.

[Anonymous No.4009666]

>>4009648

I'm the guy on which you are shitting, and I confess that I also watched Ergo Proxy : it's horrible (pretentious and boring - made for pretentious people). And how can you call DBZ, Cowboy Beebop and Samurai Champloo bad-taste options? They are all highly regarded.

I also read the manga called Real, by the same author of Vagabond: a wonder of humanity and self-improvement.

[Anonymous No.4009667]

>>4009661

I've already watched Lain and Sailor Moon (which I wasn't impressed by), but I will check out the other two. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4009670]

>>4009480
Was there any worry about diseases? I think I would be constantly obsessing over whether the girls had Syphilis. I assume you used a condom?

[Anonymous No.4009673]

>>4009662
I know someone who also came through /mu/.
It seems to be the newest gate.
The other people back in school were all getting through /b/ and I was the weab.

[Anonymous No.4009676]

>>4009651

>Frau Edouard Devrient: "Do tell me, who is the stupid fellow sitting next to me?" Felix Mendelssohn (behind his napkin): "The stupid fellow next to you is the philosopher Hegel."

[Anonymous No.4009677]

>>4009666

Highly regarded=/=good. I'm not going to tell other people to start Ergo Proxy. I liked it because it was inspired by a lot of Platonian and other hellenistic thought.

[Anonymous No.4009679]

>>4009659

Your narrow scientific mind cannot grasp the genius of Da Vinci, despite the fact that he was in fact a tremendous scientist himself.

Go worship Turing some more and leave us in piece, intellectual prole

[Anonymous No.4009678]

>>4009663
But he does that in order to create variables with which he can work with. Actually, the words are more simplified than what is usually used and I'm pretty sure present in other german idealists work at the time.
Is that the only critcism you have because Hegel actually adresses the fact that if you are offended by the writing it matters fuck all.

[Anonymous No.4009681]

>>4009678

I wasn't offended, I just find it to be tedious.

[Anonymous No.4009683]

>>4009665
>Legend of the Galactic Heroes
If you want slowly unfolding sci fi with card board cut out personalities, I would go with something like Gundam Zeta and Double Zeta.

[Anonymous No.4009684]

>>4009679

>leave us in piece

Captcha: hisfau illiteracy

[Anonymous No.4009685]

>>4009678

Haha, no.

Don't waste a single hour reading Hegel. If you want a serious Idealist read Schopenhauer, or just grow some balls and try Kant.

[Anonymous No.4009688]

>>4009684

tremendous comeback

door is on your left, back to /sci/ with you

[Anonymous No.4009689]

>>4009666
Let's not get in to DBZ.
Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo have good openings.

Real ain't so great. If you read manga,
Oyasumi pun pun is good.
Vagabond is nice, but you might as well read the book it's based off and the book of five rings by the historical person it is based off.

[Anonymous No.4009695]

>>4009683
Eh, I can definitely understand that it isn't for everyone. I personally think it's among the best sci-fi ever put to film, though. It's worth that anon's time to watch at least the first few episodes and judge for himself.

[Anonymous No.4009696]

>>4009689

DBZ is much more complex than the average fan can give it credit for. The relationship between Goku and Vegeta is one of the best and most intricate in all anime.

[Anonymous No.4009698]

>>4009677
>I liked it because it was inspired by a lot of Platonian and other hellenistic thought.

I respect that. But entertainment is also valuable. An anime like Death Note has very interesting characters, and for me this is one of the great virtues of fiction: the creation of complex characters.

Light is my favorite, but I confess that after the death of L the show lost much of its quality (the successors of L are mediocre characters, IMO).

I love that scene where Light, after the death of L and on top of a building, begins to kill thousands of people without any mercy, wielding the pen like the baton of a conductor.

[Anonymous No.4009701]

>>4009696

I love the character of Freeza. One of my favorite vilans.

[Anonymous No.4009702]

>>4009676
Okay, but good criticism of his philosophical revelations?
I know he was criticised for his language,
but he also has many followers and influenced much thought, not to mention his ideas pretty much foreshadow those of kripke and wittgenstein.
Do you not like Kant either? Or Schelling?
Also;
>a musician
>having an opinion on philosophy
Of course there were certain members of the elite who took a person for face value.

[Anonymous No.4009704]

>>4009688

I rarely visit /sci/. I think you belong on /b/, though, if you can't even spell properly when you are on a literature board.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009705]

>>4009673
Someone on /mu/ once said (think it was CLT) that /mu/ used to have off-topic literature discussions until it got so bad that they created /lit/, and all the smart people flocked here. /mu/ and /lit/ have always been connected, no matter how much /lit/ wants that to be false.

[Anonymous No.4009706]

>>4009684

Actually, that reads "hisfall illiteracy", which is more suitable.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009707]

>>4009704
>>4009705
Oh that reminds me, I also posted on /sci/ for a substantial period of time.

[Anonymous No.4009708]

>>4009679
I'm sorry we can not agree. His skill has nothing to do with what he gave to the instruments with which I concern myself on daily matters.

[Anonymous No.4009711]

>>4009681
Okay, I don't think philosophers ought to have the duty of making something any more or less tedious, though.

[Anonymous No.4009713]

>>4009698

I liked the first four or five episodes of Death Note, but then after that I realized it was just tedious repetitions with shitty writing. What I really dislike about it is based on the fact that it's very often mentioned by teenage girls as their "favourite anime".

[Anonymous No.4009716]

>>4009701

It's crazy when you grow up and finally understand what Frieza really is, namely intergalactic nobility. The guy is basically Cesare Borgia made nigh indestructible.

I thought it was really cool how in Battle of the Gods the reason Birus visits Earth is because he heard Frieza had been defeated by Goku. Shows you how renowned Frieza really was

[Anonymous No.4009719]

>>4009698
>I love that scene where Light, after the death of L and on top of a building, begins to kill thousands of people without any mercy, wielding the pen like the baton of a conductor.

This - from 3:52 foward:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPblAZ75DPc

[Anonymous No.4009720]

>>4009711

I disagree. They need to come with interesting ideas or ways of presenting or dissecting them. If a philosopher is tedious it is because they have nothing interesting to come with.

[Anonymous No.4009722]

>>4009685
Is Schopenhauer like Nietzsche? If so, no thanks. That ain't philosophy, its a war cry. I was thinking of reading kant, though. Is there seriously no reason for me to read the other half of this book, though. I do feel I've learnt something about how one can understand the self consciousness so far.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009724]

>>4009707
>>4009705
>>4009673
FOUND IT

"Trivia: Most of the first e/lit/ists were previously /mu/tants. The biggest reason moot created the board in the first place was because there were constant literature threads on /mu/ (mind you, this was back when there was still a stigma against being blatantly off-topic) because people who wanted them had no board of their own and /mu/ was regarded as one of the best-read boards on 4chan.

There was a noticeable dip in quality after so many smart people left the board all at once."'

I have no idea if this is true

[Anonymous No.4009725]

>>4009670
>Was there any worry about diseases? I think I would be constantly obsessing over whether the girls had Syphilis. I assume you used a condom?
Aids is the main concern over there. But yes, of course I wore a condom, didn't go down on them, kept my fingers away from my face, and took all the safety measures I could...

>>4009649
>she's right though. its a poor country and you are taking advantage of the girls there because you have money.
That's what the woman said. My objection was that every woman should be free to do what she want, without the state owning her vagina. A girl can earn in a night what would otherwise take her a month if she made shirts and socks for western shops. Also, the attitude to prostitution is different over there; it's tolerated by their culture, and rural families often send girls to the city to 'work.

The problem isn't sex for money - that should never come into question - the problem is the larger economic picture that's keeping them in poverty. Prostitution is a side effect of that, and should be another job that any woman has the option of choosing if she wants. If you get rid of it, then everybody is working for $30 a month in a factory, plus 3/4 of the tourists will just go to Thailand instead.

If you close down the safe environment of hostess bars, they will all be walking the street. The best option would be for the government to encourage a safe working environment for the girls.

[Anonymous No.4009727]

>>4009695
True.

[Anonymous No.4009728]

>>4009708

He was one of the earliest anatomists, and he contributed to optics and botany, as well as conceiving a number of inventions that were hundreds of years ahead of their time.

There has never been another human being more complete or closer to perfection.

[Anonymous No.4009729]

>>4009722

Schopenhaer is very different. He's a bit like Nietzsche on non-functional anti-depressants.

[Anonymous No.4009730]

Replace Homer with Dante and Newton with Leibniz

[Anonymous No.4009732]

>>4009722

Oh please. Schopenhauer was the last systemizer of any consequence. You can ignore Nietzsche at your own peril, but it doesn't make him any less formidable.

[Anonymous No.4009735]

>>4009716
>It's crazy when you grow up and finally understand what Frieza really is, namely intergalactic nobility


I have a review that makes this same link. I would be honored if you read it:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A10Q8F3PGHBU7V?ie=UTF8&ref_=sv_ys_4

[Anonymous No.4009738]

>>4009725
>Aids

Yikes.

[Anonymous No.4009740]

>>4009705
History of the Internet; book 3; the rise and fall of ro- I mean 4chan

[Anonymous No.4009737]

>>4009724

so a bunch of the retards on /mu/ left and made /lit/?

makes sense

[Anonymous No.4009743]

>>4009728

Uh, I disagree. I think Pythagoras was superior.

[Anonymous No.4009746]

>>4009737

>taking someone who posts a meemee picture seriously

[Anonymous No.4009747]

>>4009503
>You can't have turing
He's the father of modern computer science. Go fuck yourself

[Anonymous No.4009750]

>>4009747

What's so good about computer science? It's only made my life worse.

[Anonymous No.4009754]

>>4009300

[Anonymous No.4009755]

>>4009754

Please leave, leftist sc....

Oh, right, I see what you did there.

[Anonymous No.4009756]

>>4009720
>If a philosopher is tedious it is because they have nothing interesting to come with.
I think that could be the case, but not necessarily true.

[Anonymous No.4009759]

>>4009756

Good job, you sound exactly like hegel.

[Anonymous No.4009761]

>>4009729
Will to Power is his main shtick right?
I don't find that particularly interesting because it means little in relation to how I will go about my life.

[Anonymous No.4009764]

>>4009737
If you are in the 18-22 4chan demographic, /lit/ is actually a great place to come to expose yourself to a huge amount of literature and philosophy that your average 18-22 yo in many cases hasn't even heard of. If, on the other hand, you are a graduate student wishing for constructive discussion on the nuances of your particular field, you're stupid to come looking for it on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.4009765]

>>4009730
Leibniz was just a rehash of Democritus, I always thought.

[Anonymous No.4009768]

>>4009743
>Pythagoras
>that fear of beans
Great minds have great fears.

[Anonymous No.4009767]

>>4009761

Nah, he wrote many topically different works. I think Zarathrustra is his main work.

[Anonymous No.4009769]

>>4009750
Really?
A part from the home computer, computers are used in a lot of engineering now a days.

[Anonymous No.4009770]

>>4009768

>implying that many beans don't contain large amounts of Estrogen, which makes them very detrimental for males

[Anonymous No.4009772]

>>4009755
Made a macro of some of the greatest Americans? Yes.

[Anonymous No.4009773]

>>4009769

What's so great about modern engineering?

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.4009774]

Alexander, Beethoven, Hegel;
Descartes, Bonaparte, Goethe

[Anonymous No.4009775]

>>4009759
I wouldn't mind giving up the book if you gave me some sound reasons as to why I shouldn't read it other than its tedious which it isnt for me.

[Anonymous No.4009777]

>>4009772

toplel

[Anonymous No.4009779]

>>4009077
Yes, let's make a pic only out of white males, tippest lel so fair and balanced!

[Anonymous No.4009780]

>>4009735

>Frieza (from the afterlife): A fine plan Vegeta, you are quite the strategist. But you made the fatal mistake of placing your trust in a barbaric race from the stone ages! HA HA HA

[Anonymous No.4009781]

>>4009625
>>4009648
>>4009661
>>4009666
>>4009667
>>4009689
>>4009698
>>4009713
>>4009716


A gift for you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NiqDRgrSRw

[Anonymous No.4009782]

>>4009767
That's Nietzsche.
Weren't we talking about Schopenhauer?
I think Nietzsche took the idea of Will to Power from Schopenhauer.
As far as I can recollect, Schopenhauer is idealist and Nietzsche is nihilist, right?

[Anonymous No.4009783]

>>4009774

>Hegel
>Descartes
>Napoleon

fug off

>>4009775

It's just not interesting. It's like asking for reasons to not read Twilight or Shades of Gray, or whatever.

[Anonymous No.4009785]

>>4009779
Just report it and sage

No racists on our streets

[Anonymous No.4009786]

>>4009773
Security systems, Computer Graphics, Energy gathering systems. Right?
I don't know exactly, but that shit is used quite a lot.
ATMs?

[Anonymous No.4009787]

>>4009754

>some random nigger instead of Emerson

[Anonymous No.4009788]

>>4009780

I know, right! >Dat classy racism. The guy is great.

[Anonymous No.4009789]

>implying greeks are european

[Anonymous No.4009791]

>>4009781
Don't like BECK, sorry.

[Anonymous No.4009792]

>>4009782

Oh, right, yes, but Nietzsche actually wrote a book called just that, thus the confusion.
You are right about Schopenhaur, kindof. But keep in mind also that Nietzsche was not really a nihilist, but rather an anti-christian and, you could say, a pagan.

[Anonymous No.4009793]

>>4009783
Whatever about Hegel,
but Descartes is quite an important character,
right?

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009795]

>>4009764
This should be stickied to /lit/ forever

>>4009765
You watch your mouth not at all actually, read The Monadology for an intro

>>4009737
You could say any board was made to "confine" people. You could actually say most of those this about any board

captcha: aesthetic autscre (all my rantings about aestheticism as of late have been confirmed by the gods)

[Anonymous No.4009796]

>>4009754
That's only if Coltrane actually transcended existence through the sacrifice of his live

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009797]

>>4009774
Holy shit, Tallis!

Your wrong btw

[Anonymous No.4009798]

>>4009792
Pagan? You sure?

[Anonymous No.4009800]

>>4009791

But the song is great.

[Anonymous No.4009801]

>>4009782

>muh wikipedia summaries

Schopenhauer wrote about der wille zur liben, the will to live. There was also the Wille, a metaphysical concept that took the place of Kant's thing in itself

Nietzsche changed these both for der wille zur macht, the will to power. Best summary of it can be laid down as an anti-darwinist contention, to the effect that the niggardly will to survival does not explain the reality of organic and human life, where the struggle to survive is very often not the central driving force in life. Survival is a frequent outcome of venting power, not the driving force in life.

Sorry for unclear speech, English is not my first language.

[Anonymous No.4009802]

>>4009786

What are those good for?

>security systems
>being paranoid

Well, I guess at least it might make our museums safer if we can't afford armed guards.

>Computer Graphics

Could you mention anything specific here that would be of special interest?

>energy gathering systems

Modern electricity usage is absurd. There is no need for 95% of all that electricity.

>ATMs

Fuck made-up money.


>>4009793

Important character for his time, yes, but most of his subjects had already been used by the Hellenists.

[Anonymous No.4009803]

>>4009719
>This - from 3:52 foward:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPblAZ75DPc

Epic

[Anonymous No.4009805]

>>4009795
How was /mu/ begun, actually?
Surely /a/ and /y/ etc. were there first.
How did musical discussion arise out anime discussion? Were anime OSTs originally discussed there?

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009806]

>>4009779
Name one black person that should be on that list (not being racist at all, we're talking about human accomplishments solely)

Arguably a jazz musician, but that is American and classical > jazz

[Anonymous No.4009807]

>>4009789

They aren't Germanic, but they sure are European

[Anonymous No.4009808]

>>4009800
If we're talking anime, then this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIlun9-f9Q

[Anonymous No.4009811]

>>4009801
I've read Nietzsche;
The birth of tragedy and a book of selected excerpts.

[Anonymous No.4009812]

>>4009792

Yes, he exalted paganism and hated Christianity. He often referred to 'the Gods' in other contexts, too, as in "the Gods shall be my witnesses", etc.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009815]

>>4009805
I'm assuming after /b/ went general general (not anime general) there were enough music threads to warrant a board of its own. I have heard multiple times that /mu/ was filled with Dragonforce and metalheads before someone (Antiwarhol? most definitely not since he is mr. rym avant-teen but that's the name that is coming to mind) converted everyone to pitchfork hipsters and thus ITAOTS obsession was born.

[Anonymous No.4009814]

>>4009801
Bist du Deutsch?

[Anonymous No.4009818]

>>4009754
That's only if Coltrane actually transcended existence through the sacrifice of his liver

[Anonymous No.4009821]

>>4009808
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsIlun9-f9Q

Wow..lelelel. Very funny!

For me this one is an extraordinary good song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSdefj2qGKg

[Anonymous No.4009824]

>>4009814

Nein, mein Freund, nur griechische und ein wenig Englisch.

[Anonymous No.4009826]

>>4009812
You think he meant that literally?
Didn't many Germans round that time refer to things in a divine way but were really agnostic?

[Anonymous No.4009827]

>>4009812

Sorry, meant to quote >>4009798

[Anonymous No.4009828]

>>4009811

>selected excerpts

Probably Kaufmann's crap too, I'll bet

[Anonymous No.4009830]

>>4009815
/mu/ does seem to be interested in the darker side of hipster noises.

[Anonymous No.4009832]

>>4009796
Bretty sure he transcended existence through his sax bro

[Anonymous No.4009835]

>>4009821
>Rurouni Kenshin
I have taught you well,
I'm sure you also know the glorious opening;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_WReTDhO8Y

[Anonymous No.4009838]

>>4009824
Aber du weisst Deutsch!
Wie hast du es gelernt?

[Anonymous No.4009841]

>>4009828
I don't know. It was my friends.
Was Penguin Classics, so I trusted it.

[Anonymous No.4009843]

>>4009458
Tell a non-american who these guys are and why they're cool. (I know Washington and franklin though).

[Anonymous No.4009849]

>>4009835

Oh man...those were the days.

[Anonymous No.4009852]

>>4009401
>You're mother

[Anonymous No.4009850]

>>4009735

This was really good, ty anon

I think it was awesome that how Frieza was floating in space, cut in half, having barely survived the explosion of Namek, and all he feels is his shattered pride.

Then they put him back together, and what does he do? Goes straight after the guy who nearly killed him.

It's a shame the progression of the story made it so that he couldn't really compete with the power levels anymore. As a fighter though he was probably as smart if not smarter than the rest of the DBZ villains.

It's also worth noting that power level wise, Goku had to make his greatest jump to be a match for Frieza. Between fighting Vegeta and fighting Frieza was a ridiculous leap, like 120 times stronger in the latter. And after Frieza you really never see Goku stress about a fight again. That was the real moment of peril for him, when the spirit bomb didn't finish Frieza.

...Just...a...monkey....

[Anonymous No.4009851]

Greatest Middle-Easterners:

Muhammad
Jesus
Ibn Sina
Hammurabi
??
??

[Anonymous No.4009853]

>>4009841

Well then it might have been master race Hollingdale stuff.

[Anonymous No.4009854]

>>4009851

Ghaddafi
Zarathrustra

[Anonymous No.4009856]

>>4009854

>Ghaddafi

Probably the last example of Arabic nobility we will ever see.

[Anonymous No.4009861]

>>4009856

liek dis if u cry evrytiem :'(

[Anonymous No.4009862]

>>4009850

Thank you for your kind words.

And a wonderfull pic!

[Anonymous No.4009867]

>>4009838

Ich weiß kaum etwas. Es scheint wie eine schöne Sprache.

[Anonymous No.4009869]

>>4009861

I hope whoever in this country ordered his execution rots in hell.

[Anonymous No.4009874]

>>4009850

Also loved your character analysis. I'm glad there are other people who admire as much as I do this great villain. (As for the jump in power level, my god! Napa is scared with nine thousand, but Frieza in his second transformation is already in one million! What the fuck!)

[Anonymous No.4009881]

>>4009401

[Anonymous No.4009882]

>China

Kong Fu Tzu
Liu Bang
Mao Tze Tung
Cao Xueqin
Zhu Xi

>tfw don't know any Chinese scientists

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009883]

>>4009843

>Herman Melville
Well, Melville wrote Moby fucking Dick (I could have gone with Whitman but, Moby Dick).

>John Cage
John Cage was an avant-garde composer who influenced so many artists in the 20th century. Probably one of the greatest "philosophers of music," he explored and questioned what is music and the notions of silence and sound. Some examples of his stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fPSz-o4zzY(16 sonatas and 4 interludes, all for "prepared piano," which is putting objects on the strings and hammers of a piano for desired sounds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdWS4g6Xv8k (Buddhist inspired meditation music and for prepared piano)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY7UK-6aaNA (the infamous 4'33: four minutes and 33 seconds of silence).

>Edwin Hubble
Hubble discovered that the universe is expanding and just simply pic related (not really the cause of him but still just look at it)

>Ralph Waldo Emerson
Emerson defined American individualism and inspired Whitman and Thoreau, among others (I couldn't think of a better american philosopher so he will have to do, not demeaning him at all).

[Anonymous No.4009885]

>>4009883
Chomsky is the US' greatest philosopher

[Anonymous No.4009888]

>>4009883

Emerson and Pierce are the only American philosophers worth mentioning

[Anonymous No.4009896]

>>4009883
But Twain is the great American novelist.

[Anonymous No.4009908]

>>4009885

toplel

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009925]

>>4009885
>>4009896
Nope

[Anonymous No.4009963]

>>4009908
>>4009925
>these idiots laughing over obvious facts

Stay upset that Melville wrote one pre-US book that mattered while Twain's work exemplifies everything that is American.

[Celebes !!NWFwVGUkpTc No.4009972]

>>4009963
>one pre-US book
What the fuck are you on about?

[Anonymous No.4011494]

>>4009803

Fuck yeah