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ITT: Opinions on Brave New World.

Got up to chapter V and gave up. I was confused and often didn't understand where the story was going or who was talking to who. The book itself uses weird terms that I've never heard of including weird descriptions of color, I'm not going to pretend I understood it because I didn't. I like the concept except for childs play that they talk about. it seems almost arcadic when I try to imagine huxleys vision of what he saw as a distant future. To be honest I found the book slow, uninteresting and I was so bored I didn't care about the characters or where the story was going and this led to me not wanting to understand the book. Overall it felt dull.

What did you guys think ?

>> No.4005710

>>4005703
Not to mention how unbelievable it was in terms of sci-fi. I understand it was probably amazing for its time yet I struggled to find a connection other than the propaganda of goverments that make us think everythings okay. However I already knew this.

>> No.4005724

>>4005703
I read this book in grade school OP.

If you can't appreciate the thought that a man's life is his palette when he writes, then you cannot begin to appreciate any form of writing here forth.

I urge you, in consideration, to skip "We" by Zamyatin, and 1984 by Orwell. They are merely in the same category of trite as Brave New World.

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This comic is probably the easiest if not completely correct way to show the relevance of the work.

What I find most the most interesting question BNW brings up is that if happiness without a sense of nobility is bad. Most people intuitively dislike the society in BNW because they feel like those people 'aren't even human' because they enjoy simple pleasures and don't have deep tumultuous feels.

>> No.4005730

>>4005703
I didn't, it was very well written but I often sat next to a dictionary looking up words like vivaparous etc... I'm not going to lie I've only staryed litreture and everyone told me it was simple. I feel extemely simple and just hope that maybe my disinterest and general boredom from the book distracted me from fully reading the book or comprehending the book as I did not care for it.

should I try 1984 ?

>> No.4005732

>>4005703
I suggest you read the book before discussing it instead of giving up because the difficult words and the lack of explosive car chases, OP.

>> No.4005735

BNW is great for the thought and discussion it inspires. Huxley is more about ideas than pretty prose or entertainment. To get access to the interesting stuff you actually have to read the book instead of a few pages of it though.

>> No.4005745

>>4005730
I don't think you should try 1984 according to people on this thread, thanks for heing honest though.

>>4005724
Do you have inferior complexity? I don't care if you read it when you 6 it doesn't mean shit, you probably had your teacher spoon fead you the story. I agree its well written but in my eyes it's so boring I couldn't be bothered keeping venturing on with the book, its dull and a poor excuse to promote Huxley, a former drug addicts deep thoughts of how drugs shape the mind and make you believe stuff is good during a time of conflict, marxism and war.

>> No.4005747

>>4005735
You reminded me of the experience machine. Would you plug in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_machine

>> No.4005752

>>4005745
>fead

Fuck off, troll.

>> No.4005757

>>4005732
>>4005735
Firstly I'm discussing the general consensus and opinions of the book, like I would discussing a video game, movie or art. I'm talking about it's first impression, if a book can't draw me and has to interpret a meaning I've studied about (marxism/communism/utilitarianism) via plane, boring, unbelievable or unrealistic science than well sorry, because it sounds like you guys read this because its considered amazing in some peoples eyes or maybe it because huxley is a kiddy fiddler and you enjoy how expresses it in his books.

>> No.4005760

>>4005757
>plane

Top kek

>> No.4005763

>>4005752
*feed and forgive me I'm on my phone. I'm not trolling just because I don't follow the sheeps on /lit/ You're not intelligent because you read or because you take time to increase your vocabulary. Anyone can be knowledgable its about how you solve problems and how fast you learn and adapt to situations.

>> No.4005768

>>4005747
I think a simulation stops being a simulation when it's completely immersive without any experience or notion of something outside. At this point the sensory experiences of the simulation have no criteria by which they can be deemed less real than what we experience now. The concept of simulation loses all meaning without awareness of the thing that is being mimicked. So by asking me if I would plug in you would merely be asking if I would like to magically improve my life, to which I of course will answer yes.

>> No.4005769

>>4005763
>projecting

Why are you so mad?

>> No.4005771

>>4005760
*plain as I've said I'm on my phone. Guys can nit pick and correct but I'm just looking for opinions. You guys act like such preppies, you amount to nothing on the internet just as I do. So don't think you're something when your still lurking 4chan.

>> No.4005778

>>4005769
because I cop slack for sharing a personal opinion about the book when use need to understand that I'm not trying to argue because every is entitled to their opinion. I'm not saying anyone is wrong here but you sheep seem to jump down my throat the moment I disagree with something. So this is how gamma's feel.

>> No.4005779

>>4005745
Huxley was actually very abhorrent of drugs, even the commercially available drugs we know and use today.

It's a shame the lack of insight you have, hopefully it'll come to you in time.

>> No.4005788

I thought it was very interesting, started reading it a little bit to and fro, and then one night when I couldn't sleep I plowed through the whole thing. Enjoyable read, had some things to say about today's society, not the best story but the concept held it up.

>> No.4005793

>>4005779
are you for real ?
He used drugs like a hippie everyone knows it. He was on shrooms, cocain you name it... Read his biography because I did before reading his book.

>> No.4005796

>>4005779

>abhorrent of drugs

Not at all. He was abhorrent of applications and mentalities. I see Brave New World as a pretty simple criticism of utilitarianism and hedonism.

Read objection number two in the Wikipedia article for Nozick's experience machine which is pasted above. This is very relevant.

>> No.4005802

>>4005779
He wasn't disgusted by drugs he often talked about in many of his other books and became a frequent user as he got older. Why Brave New World was amazing yet all books post BNW gradually disintegrated.

>> No.4005806

>>4005796
>>4005793
I apologize. I appear to have my authors confused. I had though I read an essay in which he very much preached against the use of any medication or body/mind altering chemicals.

>> No.4005809

>>4005788
Perfect example of an opinion on a book. /lit/ I'm not being sarcastic but he isn't disagreeing with how I feel about the book personally yet shares he/she felt.

>> No.4005810

>>4005779
It's important to note that soma was a drug of pure escapism, something Huxley detested and the novel was built up around,
whereas he was a proponent of psychedelics which hold no such characteristics.

>> No.4005817

>>4005757
I mostly read for information and ideas. Good prose and such is nice, but it's the ideas I'm after. If I suspect interesting ideas I'm willing to put in a bit of effort to become acquinted with them, even if I'm not constantly entertained.

>> No.4005818

>>4005810
But the orgies were a completely Dionysian becoming one mystical experience.

>> No.4005819

>>4005806
sorry about the patronising reaction, Huxley as far as I know was into LSD and felt strongly about using recreational drugs to alter his view and obviously for his enjoyment.

>> No.4005825

>>4005810
All drugs are a form of escapism from the reality of life, he was against being told that this drug would allow escapism but was used for control. It was a look at how pleasure such as drugs can be used against us, aka the thinks we love used against us.

>> No.4005829

>>4005819
>for his enjoyment

Read previous posts. Read novel. Read essays. Read.

>> No.4005834

>>4005829
why else would he use if he wasn't getting some enjoyment from it. Like saying I burn myself because I hate it, its amazing.

>> No.4005838

>>4005829
enjoyment .. thats the reason I took drugs once is there some other meaning we don't known about ? or was it to broaden his horizons of creativity. Must truly be a shit author if he needs drugs right ?

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>>4005703

>> No.4005852

>>4005838
>Must truly be a shit author if he needs drugs right ?
this is what people who have never done drugs actually believe

>> No.4005854

>>4005850
I lol'd exact outcome.

>> No.4005858

>>4005852
watch out we have a badass over here ! so edgy?

So I assume you have drugs as implied, you sound intelligent ...

>> No.4005860

>>4005850
hahaha except I pictured some grey version of Astroboy but not robots just industrial machines.

>> No.4005863

>>4005860
*grey astroboy metropolis.

not actually astroboy himself but his environment yet more gloomy.

>> No.4005866

>>4005858
Drugs aren't edgy, they're normal part of life. Stop believing headlines.

>> No.4005871

>>4005866
>normal part of life.

normal part of ruining your life, have fun with your "normal" life of slowly losing mental stability and activating that schizophrenic mind, if you don't overdose that is.

>> No.4005883

>>4005871
But coffee is delicious, man.

>> No.4005888

>>4005883
well played. I will be more specific next time .. Dinkleburg...

>> No.4005891

>>4005888
*dinkleberg

>> No.4005900

>>4005730
BNW is a bit more 'fun' and happier to read than 1984, so you might not enjoy it. Orwell's writing is sometimes a bit complex, so you'll find it quite similar in difficulty maybe, though I read BNW a little while ago now so i'm not sure to compare.

>> No.4005913

>>4005900
Different guy here, but also a literature pleb I've read 1984 but not BNW. The former surprised me in that it wasn't all about "muh big brother", which was merely one part of it. Is BNW similar?

>> No.4006521

>>4005913
BNW is like that one band you like that is still recognisable but that makes people think you're better than the people who like the most trite 'cool band' there is to like (1984).