I need some good books that are Pro-Colonialism, Pro- Western/European Culture and Values, and objectively examine racial differences Could be fiction or non-fiction!

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Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:47:49 2013 No.3991920 [DELETED]

I need some good books that are Pro-Colonialism, Pro- Western/European Culture and Values, and objectively examine racial differences

Could be fiction or non-fiction!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:49:48 2013 No.3991924 Seems to like /pol/ leaked again. The sooner moot deletes your board, the better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:49:48 2013 No.3991926 >>3991920 >that are Pro-Colonialism, Pro- Western/European Culture and Values, and objectively contradiction within 10 words. nice.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:50:48 2013 No.3991929 >>3991926 >contradiction within 10 words you're making some strange assumptions here

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:51:48 2013 No.3991930 >>3991920 So...basically the hypothetical /pol/ bible?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:51:48 2013 No.3991931 >>3991924 >deleting a containment board That's not a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:52:48 2013 No.3991934 Pretty much anything pre-WW1, dude. Ever interwar. Do you think many 19th century political philosophers thought that colonialism was wrong?

>>	sage sage Thu Aug 1 23:53:48 2013 No.3991936 File: 40 KB, 250x250, 32658960.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey there /pol/

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:53:48 2013 No.3991940 >>3991934 I think OP wants a contemporary take on this stuff.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:55:49 2013 No.3991947 >>3991931 But without a home-board /pol/fucks won't have a free place to build their conspiracy theory paranoia, and they subsequently would have to dissolve into the rest of 4chan. The first few months would be unbearable, though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:56:48 2013 No.3991950 >>3991929 Read any historiography or social science theory. Actually read any epistemology. "Objective" knowledge is impossible. Objective knowledge after demanding an unsubstantiated bias is even more laughable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:56:49 2013 No.3991948 >>3991947 /pol/ is actually a pretty well informed place, minus a few crazy idiots. they cured me of some really stupid liberal biases I used to have.

Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:56:49 2013 No.3991949

>>3991929
I think that anon means that any book that could even claim to
>objectively examine racial differences
(not that objectivity is possible, but anyway...) would have to be a work of Science!. And any Science! book that is
>Pro-Colonialism, Pro- Western/European Culture and Values
has already abandoned its claim to objectivity in the interests of its agenda.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 23:59:48 2013 No.3991954 >>3991931 There's more stormfaggotry now than there ever was before /pol/. Deleting it would be fine

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:00:49 2013 No.3991957 >>3991948 Leave.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:01:49 2013 No.3991959

>>3991931
I'm calling bullshit on this assumption that somehow the universe necessitates that such a board must exist. Sure for a while maybe they try to populate other boards. Isn't that what they fucking do anyways to convert everyone to their fucked up agenda? Without any centralization the sick twisted board culture will fizzle out and fade into obscurity, just like it has in reality. Most will probably move on to other websites. If such boards must exist, why not make a board for fucking racists and then a board for politics. Maybe not those boards, but there are many ways create a better situation, both for those interested and politics, and for 4chan in general. We need to have a serious talk about such solutions, because I'm getting fucking sick of every board on 4chan being tainted by /pol/.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:03:49 2013 No.3991970

>>3991949
>has already abandoned its claim to objectivity in the interests of its agenda.

Racial differences and Western values are two different things.

>>3991950
>"Objective" knowledge is impossible.

'objective' as in based on some sort of empirical facts and science, as far as that can go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:05:48 2013 No.3991973 >>3991959 >is against freedom of speech >is anti-intellectual >is fascistic and anti-democratic reflect on yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:06:48 2013 No.3991979 >>3991920 Niall Ferguson, although I don't think he covers racial differences.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:07:48 2013 No.3991980 >>3991959 >yfw you realize the only reason /pol/ exists is because m00t is king /pol/fag

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:08:48 2013 No.3991983 >>3991973 >/pol/ projecting

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:08:49 2013 No.3991984

>>3991970
>Racial differences and Western values are two different things
Yeah, and that's my point. If it uses
>empirical facts and science
to study race, then how does it also have a
>Pro-Colonialism, Pro- Western/European Culture and Values
agenda? Good science isn't openly pro- or anti-anything, because it tries to be objective.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:09:48 2013 No.3991987

Ahhhhhhhhh! Dissenting viewpoints! >>>>>>>>>>>pol

I'll tell you right now, OP, the racial thing is very iffy if you're looking for justification for disparaging niggers or something. Though a couple years back James Watson said the science was conclusive that blacks have lower IQs, I think. It's just that IQ testing is dumb. Read Walter J. Ong's book Orality and Literacy and consider how (white) oral cultures would fare on IQ tests.

If you want pro-colonialism, virtually any American conservative justifications of US foreign policy will do it. If you want pro-Western values, the whole idea that the West has established/discovered the ultimate paradigm, check out Francis Fukuyama. A whole lot of Asian and Arab world politicians too, because they're basically trapped between acknowledging their political machinery/ideology is massively Western and retreating back into neglected customary laws like sharia. The Communists were uniquely hostile to the Confucian tradition (i.e. pretty much China's whole intellectual legacy) as being a rural, "feudal" ideal. Before Deng, anyway.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:09:48 2013 No.3991988

>>3991973
>is against freedom of speech
lel, you can say whatever the fuck you want. No one has the obligation to facilitate you self-entitled brat
>is anti-intellectual
Implying anything close to intellectualism resides within inside /pol/. I even offered a solution to keep the discussion going by creating multiple boards.
>is fascistic and anti-democratic
lol wat

Are you even trying?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:09:49 2013 No.3991986 >>3991983 It's the other way around this time, though. Sometimes you're the prejudiced one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:10:48 2013 No.3991989 >>3991973 >not reflecting the material reality >1917+96 Top kek, /pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:11:49 2013 No.3991992 >>3991970 >'objective' as in based on some sort of empirical facts and science, as far as that can go. Popper, Kuhn, Lakatos, Feyerabend. It isn't in the least "objective." Perhaps you meant "empirical."

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:11:49 2013 No.3991993 >>3991988 You're the most prejudiced person I have seen on 4chan, and that includes on /pol/. Shame on you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:12:48 2013 No.3991994 >>3991988 This kind of disingenuousness is standard /pol/. I doubt it has ever worked but they keep doing it anwyay. They probably have a pastebin or something

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:12:48 2013 No.3991995

>>3991979
Ferguson conceals raciality within his false liberality. I mean, seriously, this is a basic examination of Ferguson's production of values. Shit, look at Horthy's construction of Magyar? Identical with Ferguson's construction of Western as a racial category.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:12:48 2013 No.3991996 File: 14 KB, 437x359, 1342348828027.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3991992 >arf snarf with my semantics I'll surely make myself seem superior to this person who just wants to learn!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:12:48 2013 No.3991997 >>3991983 >>3991988 >>3991989 three pointless and angry sages. oy vey libs

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:13:48 2013 No.3992000 >>3991996 >/pol/ >just wants to learn Hello /pol/

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:15:48 2013 No.3992002

>>3991997
I still laugh at how 4chan doesn't understand what sage means.

If only I knew moon so I wouldn't have to spend time on a board that imports foreign concepts and then DOES IT WRONG all the time.

Using sage as a way to "insult" someone's post or thread is just completely wrong and a retarded misuse of a good feature that is so popular in sites like 2ch and Futaba. Fuck, iichan and 4-ch do it right. It's just 4chan and 4chan's lame knockoffs that fail at using sage.

The true meaning of sage means that YOUR POST isn't worthy enough to bump the thread. It's ironic, because you think that you're insulting others while you're just, in fact, insulting yourself. Yes, sage can be used when posting a derogatory comment in a thread that you don't want to bump, but posting with just the word "sage" accomplishes nothing but contribute to spamming the board. The trend of replying with the name of a tripfag and sage is even worse, as it accomplishes nothing and only serves to increase the e-penis of whoever you're "attacking".

The sage feature was never meant to serve as an implied insult or general disagreement! Why people started using it that way is beyond me. There are plenty of reasons why one would choose not to bump a thread with his reply. For example, bumping threads with stupid one liner replies should be discouraged and those people should be coerced into using sage instead.

I want to use sage, yet I almost never do it on 4chan because people will jump on me thinking I'm insulting their post or something.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:15:48 2013 No.3992003 >>3991993 7/10. I'm literally dying laughing right now.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:15:48 2013 No.3992004

>>3991992
It's a common colloquial and arguably not even incorrect usage of "objective" you pedantic douche. If someone says "I want something a little more objective" when you recommend an obviously biased book to them, you don't start talking about epistemology, you fucking undergraduate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:16:48 2013 No.3992006 >>3992000 I'm not from /pol/, I just loathe you tumblr people who have started shitting up /lit/. Why do you want to ridicule and silence "opposing" points of view? That, to me, seems anti-intellectual and myopic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:17:48 2013 No.3992013 >>3991996 >just wants confirmation of his bias

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:18:48 2013 No.3992015

>>3992004
Look cunt. Either OP requested the best knowledge available, or he asked for a soapy boob job hitler fantasy.

If he wants the best knowledge, then he deserves a shit kicking over his ability to express his desire for knowledge.

We aren't here to feed your ignorance or big boobed mussolini fantasies, >>>/d/ is for that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:18:48 2013 No.3992018 File: 122 KB, 1920x1080, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Pro- Western/European Culture and Values, and objectively examine racial differences interested in recommendations too

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:18:48 2013 No.3992019 >>3992006 /lit/ has always been left-wing you flaming sack of crap, maybe "boo tumblr" works on other boards but it won't here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:18:48 2013 No.3992020 File: 746 KB, 960x720, pol.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3991924 >not a flaming communist >/POL/ IS AFOOT!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:20:48 2013 No.3992024 >>3992020 Isn't there a rule about being over 18 on this website?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:20:48 2013 No.3992027 >>3991996 >I want something that will reinforce my existing biases >I just want to learn Choose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:20:48 2013 No.3992028 >>3992019 Are you incapable of thinking for yourself? I suppose it's more comfortable to just label yourself "left wing" than to read a variety of material from a variety of perspectives. /lit/ is becoming worse thanks to narrow-minded bigots like you.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:21:48 2013 No.3992029

>>3992020
Half of the people saging are actually liberal tumblr douches who go through five tampons a day.

The other half are intentionally trolling you so you'll post /pol/ shit and get banned or get the thread deleted.

Both of them win when you fall prey to the latter. Don't do it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:21:48 2013 No.3992032 >>3992015 >If he wants the best knowledge Doesn't everyone? Seems pretty obvious...

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:21:48 2013 No.3992035 >>3992015 >soapy boob job hitler fantasy Can we talk about this? It sounds more interesting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:21:48 2013 No.3992037 >>3992027 >>3992013 If you can't see the irony of these two posts you should just stop surfing cyberspace altogether.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:22:48 2013 No.3992038 >>3992027 actually he might want to challenge his biases, since most people are just automatically anti-western and european values for some weird reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:22:48 2013 No.3992039 >>3992018 those pesky finns

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:22:48 2013 No.3992040 >>3991920 Might Is Right is up your alley, but be sure to get the edition with Darrell W. Conder as the editor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:22:48 2013 No.3992041 >>3992024 /pol/ is afoot I tells ya! /pol/ everywhere! We must act!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:23:48 2013 No.3992043 >>3992037 You seem confused. I'm not the one asking for books that will reinforce my biases. OP is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:23:48 2013 No.3992044 >>3991996 Mate, "semantics" gives us readings such as >>3991995

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:23:48 2013 No.3992046 >>3992041 I know you probably still keeping to Stormfront before /pol/ was created, but we never got threads about this garbage before then. Scamper off now

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:25:48 2013 No.3992053 >>3992038 Ah, possible. I don't agree with your premise that >most people are just automatically anti-western and european values because I suspect you're defining those things in an extremely limited way, but you might be right about OP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:26:48 2013 No.3992054 this has nothing to do with stormies

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:26:48 2013 No.3992056 >>3992043 >being this oblivious

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:26:48 2013 No.3992058
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>>3992029
That's my first post in this thread. I'm pointing out something really absurd and stupid because the "intellectuals" aren't intellectual enough to see it themselves. At this point I think it would serve everybody to attach /pol/ images to every post on /lit/ just on sheer principle.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:28:48 2013 No.3992062 >>3992058 If you wanna strawman, that's cool.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:29:48 2013 No.3992065 >>3992056 >greentexting

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:30:48 2013 No.3992067 >>3992058 How dare you show that? I'm getting sick to my fucking stomach. Delete or get banned.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:32:48 2013 No.3992071 bump

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:32:48 2013 No.3992072

>>3992032
Not really. It looked like an incoherent troll based on an absence of reading the current status of white imperialism. Bourgeois conservatism is much like Ferguson today, concealed beneath a patina of liberalism but actually standing for the untrammelled power of the Advanced West to dictate the economic situation and movement of the world's peoples.

Shit, the most disappointing thing about /pol/friends is that they're entirely underread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:32:48 2013 No.3992076 >>3992067 Can't handle the truth?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:34:48 2013 No.3992083 >>3992076 >>3992067 >>3992058 Are we really going to pretend these are different people?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:34:48 2013 No.3992084 >>3992072 On a scale of 1 to chocolate communist utopia, how euphoric are you right now?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:34:48 2013 No.3992085 >>3992072 >It looked like an incoherent troll based on what are you confused about? seems straight forward

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:35:48 2013 No.3992087 >>3992058 >thinking there's no such thing as racial disadvantages >being against leveling the playing field >not discussing literature >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:35:48 2013 No.3992088 >>3992072 >tfw Chinese conservatism is coming to kick the west's ass Feels interesting, man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:36:48 2013 No.3992090 >>3992083 Ask a mod to check then, paranoid perry. /lit/ is worse than /pol/, jesus.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:36:48 2013 No.3992091

>>3992072
>Not really. It looked like an incoherent troll based on an absence of reading the current status of white imperialism. Bourgeois conservatism is much like Ferguson today, concealed beneath a patina of liberalism but actually standing for the untrammelled power of the Advanced West to dictate the economic situation and movement of the world's peoples.

You criticize OP and these authors for being biased and you don't see your fucking viewpoint dominating this post and stifling discussion?

You can criticize their purported bias and still recommend or discuss them, you idiot. OP has every right to his bias as well. What you are doing is exactly what /pol/fags justly criticize /lit/ liberals for doing, championing their own viewpoint while disparaging others as inherently evil. Eat a dick and learn to discuss an adult.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:36:49 2013 No.3992094 >>3992072 >the most disappointing thing about /pol/friends is that they're entirely underread agreed the left is better off this way anyways

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:37:49 2013 No.3992095 >>3992087 >>thinking there's no such thing as racial disadvantages low IQ is well documented among some races.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:37:49 2013 No.3992099

>>3992085
It is epistemologically confused, confused about the nature of imperialism/colonialism and asks for objective fiction.

>>3992084
Class struggle never leaves me euphoric, mate. Only drained and twisted like fucking an epileptic whore.

Also I'm serious about /pol/friends' standards of reading. You'd make our resident Greek fascist cry due to your lack of European culture.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:38:49 2013 No.3992102 there's definitely more antisemitism on /lit/ than there was like 6 months ago. why is it getting worse

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:38:49 2013 No.3992103 >>3992095 Uh... not the same anon, but assuming for a minute that that's true, wouldn't that count as a racial disadvantage?

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:39:48 2013 No.3992106

>>3992099
>It is epistemologically confused, confused about the nature of imperialism/colonialism and asks for objective fiction.

It just asks for the positives consequences of colonialism/western values (there must have been some good effects) and for facts about racial differences. Pretty simple request.

>objective fiction

Leopold's Ghost is a good example of this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:39:48 2013 No.3992107 >>3992102 /lit/ would be better off without you and, um, why haven't you called anyone a mullethead yet lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:39:48 2013 No.3992108 >>3992099 >asking /pol/ to read I support the idea. From what I've seen /pol/ thinks 'western culture' means the same as 'white skin'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:40:48 2013 No.3992110 >>3992103 intelligence doesn't matter, stormfag

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:40:48 2013 No.3992111 >>3992103 there's no way it would ever be true for any genetic reasons social disadvantages, maybe

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:40:48 2013 No.3992113 >>3992111 >there's no way it would ever be true for any genetic reasons >doesn't believe in evolution

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:41:48 2013 No.3992114

>>3992091
I haven't criticised OP for being biased. I've criticised him for being epistemologically incoherent, and for being out of date intellectually. I've pointed to well appreciated reactionary authors (Ferguson). And I've strongly suggested that my only offence is at ignorance, not at the content of ideas well expressed.

"Bias" doesn't come into it. Every social science is biased. Cogently argued from well selected evidence matters. Disciplinary standards of argument matter. The content and conclusions are _political_, but aren't intellectual results of the work.

>Eat a dick and learn to discuss as an adult.

Mate you don't even know the rules of the game. The chief hint is: I don't give a crap who you want to kill, exclude, promote, or advance. I care if you cogently argue from evidence; or, in the specific context of /lit/ if you cogently draw conclusions from well selected text sets and can defend their methods.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:41:48 2013 No.3992115 >>3992095 IQ is based on a European conception of mental ability and does not accurately represent all forms of knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:41:48 2013 No.3992117 >>3992110 >>3992111 >assuming that's true I was speaking hypothetically. >>3992095 seemed to be trying to argue with the post without actually arguing with it.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:43:48 2013 No.3992120

>>3992114
> I've criticised him for being epistemologically incoherent, and for being out of date intellectually.

OP asked for "objective" (meaning not polemical garbage like Rush Limbaugh) authors that are pro-colonialism, basically.

You call him "epistemologically incoherent" and "intellectually out of date" (read: your viewpoints are antiquated, Get With the New Liberal Wave), and write five hundred walls of text that only show how much of a douche you are. Your motivation is to intimidate and scorn him until he shuts up and stops having ideas that offend you. You are every leftist lesbian ever. Good job.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:43:49 2013 No.3992119 >>3992115 cite literature or leave /lit/ forever pls

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:44:48 2013 No.3992121 >>3992113 >believes evolution means white people are smarter >>>/pol/

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:44:48 2013 No.3992123

>>3992108
/pol/ don't even understand that French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and Hungarian fascisms weren't skin or blood fascisms, but culturalist.

Shit, I remember the days when reactionary cunts produced major theoretical categories and defended them in the social sciences. The 1960s were great days for imperialist fucks in the United States.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:44:49 2013 No.3992125 >>3992111 You're not very up-to-date on behavioral science, are you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:45:48 2013 No.3992126 >>3992121 forgot sage

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:45:48 2013 No.3992128
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>>3992102
Because /lit/ is infested with euphoric communists and you can't help but come in to gawk, prod them a little, marvel at the fuming arrogance the funny little thing possesses at the same time that it can't see the insanity of believing in the most thoroughly debunked murder ideology in the history of mankind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:46:48 2013 No.3992130 >>3992121 >thinks evolution can be indefinitely equated to equality go back to /pol/, christfag

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:47:49 2013 No.3992134 >>3992115 >IQ is based on a European conception of mental ability and does not accurately represent all forms of knowledge. >IQ >knowledge I don't think you know what IQ is... this is weak apologia for people who have low IQs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:47:49 2013 No.3992135 >>3992123 >I remember the days when reactionary cunts produced major theoretical categories and defended them in the social sciences Do they not still do that? I wouldn't look to /pol/ for cutting edge intellectual argument...

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:48:49 2013 No.3992138 >>3992111 >there's no way it would ever be true for any genetic reasons why not?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:50:48 2013 No.3992142 >>3992134 I know /pol/ loves IQ, but what does it actually propose should happen to people with low IQs? Kick them out and have a Country Of The Super-Geniuses?

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:51:48 2013 No.3992145

>>3992120
>You call him "epistemologically incoherent" and "intellectually out of date" (read: your viewpoints are antiquated, Get With the New Liberal Wave), and write five hundred walls of text that only show how much of a douche you are. Your motivation is to intimidate and scorn him until he shuts up and stops having ideas that offend you. You are every leftist lesbian ever. Good job.
Fuck you cuntface. You use the word objective, you call down the wall of shit. We don't tolerate ignorance around here. Now either OP can walk through Feyerabend and discover the contingency of social science (ie: the fact that his racial ideas might actually be able to be right); or he has a little wank fantasy based on confirmation bias from poor quality sources.

"Out of date" means just that. There are plenty of post-Fukayama right wing thinkers. Off the top of my head, and every fucking week, I recommend the late great Kolakowski's work on Marxism as an example of the possibility of real right wing contributions to knowledge in this day and age.

This isn't the 19th century. If you are going to talk about the structure of international politics and European dominance over the world, then you don't start a thread with "colonialism," when we've been discussing core:periphery and imperialism for quite some time.

If OP wants anything approaching empirically informed knowledge, he needs to adapt to the language and standards of discussion. This doesn't exclude possessing racialist beliefs, but it does mean possessing modern racialist beliefs.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:52:48 2013 No.3992147

Everybody are equal except the non-whites are better at basketball, IQ and so on. All countries and all people will have the same wealth as soon as we topple the evil white man and create Utopia #337. It won't fail this time, it's a lucky number.

Glad we sorted that out.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:53:48 2013 No.3992148

>>3992135
>Do they not still do that? I wouldn't look to /pol/ for cutting edge intellectual argument...
Generally no. The category work has dried up and they're vulgar instrumentalists exclusively now. US political science has turned into rambling electoralism or "clash of cultures" cretinism that has no capacity to fundamentally defend the superiority of European Enlightenment ideas. It is pretty sad. Leaves you shadow boxing.

Compare the vacuousness of HRM with Personnel management in the 1960s.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:53:48 2013 No.3992150 >>3992147 You forgot the most intellectual position of them all - >races don't exist, whites are the evilest race

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:53:48 2013 No.3992151 >>3992119 Look up Michael Cole's work with the Kpelle and the Vai in Liberia.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:56:48 2013 No.3992158 >>3992147 >Everybody are equal But this is /pol/'s argument: massive portions of humanity are essentially the same as each other. The left-wing argument is generally that people are different from each other.

>>	Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 00:57:48 2013 No.3992163 Oh, /pol/ likes to strawman and ad hom.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:57:48 2013 No.3992164 File: 437 KB, 260x198, U mad azn.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992145

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:57:48 2013 No.3992165 >>3992158 >everybody are equal >but this is /pol/'s argument you just went full retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 00:59:48 2013 No.3992169 >>3992165 >massive portions of humanity are essentially the same as each other You don't think /pol/ says this? 'Black people have low IQs', that sort of thing?

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:00:48 2013 No.3992173

>>3992158
How can you perceive that and think of yourself as intelligent? Or are you just completely sheltered? Mindboggling.

That's not their argument at all. The argument is that the overall average IQ of the different races is different. And, you know, all hard science says that as well. Evolution didn't stop at the neck.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:01:49 2013 No.3992176

>>3992158
>But this is /pol/'s argument: massive portions of humanity are essentially the same as each other.

No, they say there are statistical similarities among groups/races of people. Like, crime and violence among blacks, etc.

> The left-wing argument is generally that people are different from each other.

No the left is very much afraid of even beginning to talk about the possibility biological racial differences among groups.

A hilarious debate happened between David Suzuki and Rushton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu3z_xOBJ8U

Suzuki the eco-liberal couldn't even begin to imagine or allow the possibility of genetic differences among races.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:03:48 2013 No.3992179 >>3992169 Generalization is not the same thing as saying there aren't outliers. How can you not understand such a simple thing? We all use generalizations for convenience for all sorts of day to day living. But not you?

>>	hehe Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:03:48 2013 No.3992181 File: 116 KB, 1188x925, reddnatraits.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] eat this, commies

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:05:48 2013 No.3992183

>>3992173
>The argument is that the overall average IQ of the different races is different
Oh. So why use races as a meaningful category in this context? Things like distance running ability don't neatly divide along racial lines- it's guys from a very specific part of Africa that tend to do well. So why not go for smaller subdivisions of humanity? Better yet, why not get mass IQ test data and THEN see what divisions are noticeable in the data?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:07:48 2013 No.3992189 File: 39 KB, 509x640, 1334459627195.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992183 >So why use races as a meaningful category in this context? Because it seems to be a strong factor and deserves further investigation.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:08:49 2013 No.3992192

>>3992183
Race is meaningful to whites because we have a great body of overlapping values and culture. Ethnicity isn't ignored.

>Better yet, why not get mass IQ test data and THEN see what divisions are noticeable in the data?
Confirmed for sheltered in a cellar all your life.
Or just trolling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:10:49 2013 No.3992196 >>3992181 Persuasive study sizes and replications, colleague. What's your n= ? One?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:12:48 2013 No.3992202 >>3992196 Why don't you counter the mountain of studies saying one thing with a study of your own backing up your kooky magical theory that some kind of secret diversity rainbow god is making the average IQ of the races the same?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:13:48 2013 No.3992204 >>3992202 >Why don't you counter the mountain of studies saying one thing with a study of your own >implying Libs are brave enough to conduct such a study

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:14:48 2013 No.3992205 >>3992181 >applicable ethnicities >European If it isn't applicable to all humans, it was conducted by motherfucking /pol/ and you can bet on this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:15:49 2013 No.3992210 >>3992202 >the races You're still assuming the existence of this as a meaningful category.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:16:49 2013 No.3992215 File: 11 KB, 247x274, 1370991830080.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992205 >this is what creationists believe

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:17:49 2013 No.3992217 >>3992202 Because Popper, Kuhn, Lakatos, Feyerabend.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:17:49 2013 No.3992218 Hey, /pol/, how many races do you think exist?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:18:49 2013 No.3992219 >>3992142 /pol/ wouldnt even pass it. They'd get euthanized them selves.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:21:49 2013 No.3992222
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>>3992210

race is a meaningful category since it affects disease susceptibility, crime disposition, IQ, etc.

>inb4 Bloodhounds are just as fast as Grey Hounds; Chihuahahs are just as strong as Rottweilers -- races dont exist

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:21:49 2013 No.3992223

>>3992219
This is what interests me. Assuming that /pol/'s right and Victorian racial categories turn out to be highly reliable indicators of average intelligence
(Ha!)
...what happens then? You'll still have outliers, i.e. intelligent black people and stupid white people. What's the conclusion supposed to be? What are the practical results?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:21:49 2013 No.3992224 >>3992217 >Because Popper, Kuhn, Lakatos, Feyerabend. So you didn't understand any of them? Ok.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:23:48 2013 No.3992230 >>3992145 >You use the word objective, you call down the wall of shit. get out

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:23:48 2013 No.3992231 >>3992210 you do realize that in the past 10 years we have had fascinating and profound discoveries in the departments of genetics, right? what you just said was immensely false.. please tell me you know this.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:23:48 2013 No.3992232

>>3992222
>since it affects disease susceptibility, crime disposition, IQ
That's what you'd have to prove.

>inb4 it has been proven!
Any time I've looked at any academic texts /pol/ has cited 'proving' racial differences in IQ, the text itself has said it doesn't prove such a thing. And those are the texts /pol/ cherry-picks, not even ones it ignores.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:25:48 2013 No.3992235

>>3991920
I don't know what the hell you're on about with the racial thing, but for a contemporary work that does this stuff I'd suggest The World Is Flat by Thomas Friedman. its awful but exactly what you're looking for

also by definition there will be no "good" books that are Pro- any of the things you listed.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:25:48 2013 No.3992238

>>3992232
>That's what you'd have to prove.
You do realize you're welcoming stormfaggotry spam, right?

>>3992232
>Any time I've looked at any academic texts /pol/ has cited 'proving' racial differences in IQ, the text itself has said it doesn't prove such a thing. And those are the texts /pol/ cherry-picks, not even ones it ignores.

/pol/ operates under the idea that there's political incentives in dismissing racial differences

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Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:27:48 2013 No.3992244

>>3992238
>/pol/ operates under the idea that there's political incentives in dismissing racial differences
I know, and then it says science proves it right. It's funny like that.

>You do realize you're welcoming stormfaggotry spam, right?

That's essentially what this thread is, anyway.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:28:48 2013 No.3992247

>>3992223
>...what happens then?
>what do with low IQ people?

Will in a negative sense not doing anything would actually be a great improvement. We could do away with affirmative action and stop wasting tax dollars on lost causes. If we stop blaming "the system" for the failures of certain groups it would be a step in the right direction.

Also it's really ironic to think that "IQ TESTS ARE WESTERN BIASED" and yet expect Tyrone and Mombutu to somehow excel in our western school systems. And when they invariably fail we blame "white privilege"....

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:28:48 2013 No.3992248 >>3992222 class/nation descriptions bracket those things much more accurately though

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:28:48 2013 No.3992250 >>3992222 Actually faggot, it's called evolution. Does a lion need gills? No. Does a pigeon need a beak as strong as a woodpecker? No.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:29:48 2013 No.3992252 >>3992235 Nagy's defence of humanism is pretty good. Arendt's systematic defence of personal subjectivity is also powerful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:29:48 2013 No.3992253 >muh exclusivity As a brown American, I'm hiding this thread and finishing Philosophy in the Bedroom by de Sade.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:29:48 2013 No.3992254 >>3992238 >You do realize you're welcoming stormfaggotry spam, right? Report rule 3 and rule 6 violations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:30:48 2013 No.3992255 >>3992247 You're the reason whites should be exterminated.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:30:48 2013 No.3992256 Learn to sage, /lit/. I know you can't resist debunking stormfags, but you allow this shit to be on the front page when you don't sage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:30:48 2013 No.3992260 >>3992232 >That's what you'd have to prove. >what is sickle cell anemia

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:30:48 2013 No.3992261 >>3992224 If you think a tu quoque works when you've suggested unfalsifiable and unsupported practices (small n unreplicated), then sure. Make whatever claims you like. You're so epistemologically anarchic that you're shoving cow shit in your face.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:32:48 2013 No.3992264 >>3992250 >Actually faggot, it's called evolution. ya and clearly people that evolved in hot climates (lazy) are different than those who evolved in cold climates (clever)

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:32:48 2013 No.3992265
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Honestly, people.

Just the Australian aboriginals alone should be enough to permanently erase your faith in the rainbow god magically making all races the same.

>In a genetic study in 2011, researchers found evidence, in DNA samples taken from strands of Aboriginal people's hair, that the ancestors of the Aboriginal population split off from the ancestors of the European and Asian populations between 62,000 and 75,000 years ago—roughly 24,000 years before the European and Asian populations split off from each other.
>between 62,000 and 75,000 years ago

>average IQ: 62

>don't even have to be a forensic to recognize the distinctive aboriginal cranium

Races are real, they are different, and race should rightly be re-labelled to what it really is: sub-race. Science must not be denied even if a few knuckleheads use it to say race X is inferior. Stop being a close-minded crybaby.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:32:48 2013 No.3992266

>>3992256
>Learn to sage, /lit/. I know you can't resist debunking stormfags, but you allow this shit to be on the front page when you don't sage.
Some people are discussing the literary implications of contemporary reactionary politics, and that's okay. Other people are wading in /pol/'s semen filled wading pool, and if you're wading then you should be non-bumping.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:32:48 2013 No.3992268 >>3992260 >Conflating evolution with race Topkek. You don't even use nationallity or something more relevent.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:32:48 2013 No.3992270 >>3992255 >>3992247 (You) >You're the reason whites should be exterminated. He actually made a lot of sense.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:33:48 2013 No.3992271

>>3992247
But why do these things on a racial level? If we accept the principle that IQ is a highly accurate indicator of current/future potential and that low IQ people cannot be helped, why not just test IQs and then put people into the appropriate schools? That way the more intelligent black people can still benefit from affirmative action, and the less intelligent white people won't be in schools that can't help them because their IQ is too low.

I'm assuming your premises are true, of course...

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:34:48 2013 No.3992274 >>3992265 >>average IQ: 62 Of who?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:34:48 2013 No.3992275 >>3992266 We can't do this with most of /lit/ sucking the dick of bourgeois liberal literature.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:34:48 2013 No.3992276 >>3991920 Go ask /pol/ they will feed your delusions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:35:48 2013 No.3992279 >>3992265 >sub-race Sub-species. My bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:35:48 2013 No.3992280 >>3992274 aboriginals, who do have distinct phenotypes

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:36:48 2013 No.3992281 >>3992270 Did... did you just shamelessly and blatantly samefriend?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:37:49 2013 No.3992283 >>3992275 >bourgeois liberal literature I want /pol/ to leave.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:37:49 2013 No.3992284 >>3992247 Japs and Asians do better than whites. Therefore whites are inferior, and should be given help.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:37:49 2013 No.3992286 >>3992265 >Implying IQ should be lower for underdeveloped sub-humans of all types. >Implying the conditions of the shithole known as Australia didn't condition evolution >Implying IQ is valid

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:38:49 2013 No.3992290 File: 435 KB, 640x480, 1363400802030.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992284 Japan is master race

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:38:49 2013 No.3992291 >>3992265 this board is burichan. Please delete your image.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:39:48 2013 No.3992294 >>3992290 Oh, and the jews.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:39:48 2013 No.3992295 >>3992270 >mfw when /pol/ creates a strawman and fails Your attempt shows your lack of education. Seriously, go back to /pol/ where this kind of intellect is acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:40:48 2013 No.3992300 >>3992286 >implying Australia doesn't have the world's greatest environment bonza kek m8

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:40:49 2013 No.3992302 >>3992291 No nips or delicious 400 pound roast beef is being shown.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:41:49 2013 No.3992304 File: 73 KB, 669x480, implying cars.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone wanna shit up the thread so it gets deleted?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:41:49 2013 No.3992305 >>3992286 >>3992265 >people who are prejudiced against all black people vs. people who are just prejudiced against Australia Now this thread is really going places!

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:41:49 2013 No.3992307
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>Also it's really ironic to think that "IQ TESTS ARE WESTERN BIASED" and yet expect Tyrone and Mombutu to somehow excel in our western school systems. And when they invariably fail we blame "white privilege"....

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:42:49 2013 No.3992308 >>3992304 Nah, I think the /pol/friend left after his embarassing samefriending here >>3992270

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:42:49 2013 No.3992309 >>3992300 >>3992294 >>3992290 Hava! Nagila Hava! Nagila Hava!

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:43:49 2013 No.3992313

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqX9OXLDXXU

>inb4 youtube always dumb

Anyone who denies race completely is just as ignorant as someone who says "all niggers are stupid".

Neither is accurate or represents the science done on humans.

(BTW, IQ is not the same thing as 'intelligence'. We actually can't say exactly what IQ measures, but it has been correlated to success in western society. Most egalitarian views revolve around disputing the efficacy of IQ tests, many of which are speculative, disputing whether IQ has any relevance at all [it does], or whether there are clear correlations to race [there is]).

I also suggest you watch the race section of the Norwegian [Brainwash] documentary. The problem is it's impossible to have a fair and unbiased study because there's tons of money, political power, and feelings hinging on the topic from both ends.

Also, I love the modern egalitarian attempts to correlate IQ studies with white supremacism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:44:49 2013 No.3992314 >>3992304 Behold the leftist tolerance and enlightened political tactics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:44:49 2013 No.3992316 >>3992308 Awwwright Now, would anyone like to have a discussion on the origins of racial science? How about evolution in general?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:45:48 2013 No.3992319 >>3992308 he actually made a lot of sense though

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:45:48 2013 No.3992321

>>3992313
>modern egalitarian attempts to correlate IQ studies with white supremacism
I mentioned this earlier, but the problem is that the actual scientific studies I've seen deny that race is a meaningful category, or say their results aren't sufficient to form such a conclusion. But then white supremacists use the parts of the data they like best while ignoring that part.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:46:48 2013 No.3992322

>>3992313
>someone who says "all niggers are stupid".
Said no-one ever. Leftists always claim people say that because if they were to repeat the generalization of "dumber than others on average" it would be painfully obvious that they're railing against proven fact.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:46:48 2013 No.3992323

>>3992307
Most modern IQ tests are based on the Raven's Progressive Matrices model, which is completely culturally irrelevant and therefore is probably more accurately representative of intelligence.

Sadly, the racial IQ gap on questions such as these "considered more G-loaded or math based" is WORSE on these than the culturally-intensive questions.

Is pattern recognition and spatial cognition the only important indicator of intelligence? No. But they have definitely been correlated with success in science and engineering, both of which are key to the development of modern society.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:46:48 2013 No.3992324 >>3992319 I laffed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:46:48 2013 No.3992326 >>3992308 (You) >Nah, I think the /pol/friend left after his embarassing samefriending here wow nice catch!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:47:49 2013 No.3992327 >>3992308 (You) u bested me this time with ur intellect but i will 1 day get to fulfill my dream of killing niggar babby becuz thats what im about and limbaugh tole me. i admit it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:48:49 2013 No.3992330 >>3992321 I agree that the evidence isn't very conclusive. As far as I've searched it seems to point to a certain trajectory. >>3992322 That is my point. There are black people who are smarter than me. There are asians who are dumber than me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:49:49 2013 No.3992334 >>3992326 (You) (You) >>3992327 (You) (You) Now tell me, Winston, do you see three Yous, or four?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:50:48 2013 No.3992341 >>3992334 (You) (You) (You) (You) (You) (You) You are glorious and I'm scum.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:50:49 2013 No.3992338 >>3992334 I see dubs.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:50:49 2013 No.3992339

>>3992323
>But they have definitely been correlated with success in science and engineering, both of which are key to the development of modern society.
Yeah this is naïve as fuck about the history of science and technology, I suggest you start with Prometheus Unbound.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:50:49 2013 No.3992340 >>3992334 >>>3992326 (You) >>3992324 >>>3992319 (You) wtf

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:51:48 2013 No.3992345 >>3992339 Okay, I love literary suggestions. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:51:48 2013 No.3992346 >>3992341 /pol/ is going full retard to cover up on their retard.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:52:48 2013 No.3992348

>>3992330
>As far as I've searched it seems to point to a certain trajectory
Yeah, I'm personally not going to rule out significant differences between the average intelligence of groups of people. I just suspect that those groups aren't going to break down neatly along the 'racial' lines suggested by dudes in the 19th century with no understanding of genetics.

(I assume that's what /pol/ means when it talks about 'races', anyway. I've no idea how many races they think exist...)

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:54:49 2013 No.3992354 >>3992348 I understand what they're saying. They believe in the racial science version of race. However, there picking and choosing show the inconsistency of their logic.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:54:49 2013 No.3992355

>>3992348
This seems reasonable. It's never going to be as clear cut as "White skin and blue eyes = smart. Dark skin and curly dark hair = stupid".

Even if it were, it's an interesting ethical debate to consider whether eugenics are an appropriate response to this.

Say we found a definitive gene that makes people smarter. Is it ethical to select for this gene to spread, to breed a smarter race?

This ethical question has more to do with the debate over IQ and race than the actual evidence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:55:49 2013 No.3992356 >>3992354 >However, there picking and choosing show the inconsistency of their logic. What do you mean picking and choosing? Nothing inconsistent about being a racial realist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:55:49 2013 No.3992357 File: 75 KB, 351x240, Sickle_cell_distribution.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992260 >what is sickle cell anemia Not confined to monolithic racial groups.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:55:49 2013 No.3992359 >>3992345 Landes: http://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/history/regional-history-after-1500/unbound-prometheus-technological-change-and-industrial-development-western-europe-1750-present-2nd-edition

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:56:48 2013 No.3992364

>>3992354
Well to be fair, there is no studies that actually collected IQ that suggested the gap was a myth. There is only speculation as to how the data could be wrong, not a solid, appropriately collected set of data that contradicts it, which is what I think would be convincing.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:58:49 2013 No.3992368

>>3992356
The reality of race is that is has created material conditions for people.

Also, /pol/ aren't racial realist. They believe in the crockpot theories of racist and prejudiced scientist. Yes, Africans have sickle cell. What does that imply? It only implies that they have sickle cell and may imply something of their genetics. Perhaps it's comes from living in Africa for x amount of years?

/pol/ likes to imply. That is all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:59:49 2013 No.3992370 >>3992364 And you'll never get it. All they have is >you racist >omg so lusar belief! >believe my theory of equalness because it is gooding and other is bading

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:00:49 2013 No.3992372 >>3992364 >expecting uneducated people to understand something that educated people have been brought up to know and understand somewhat And that's why IQ is bullshit. Conditions, conditions, conditions

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:01:48 2013 No.3992373 >>3992368 >They believe in the crockpot theories of racist and prejudiced scientist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watson Know your opposition, please.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:03:48 2013 No.3992376 >>3992372 >And that's why IQ is bullshit. Conditions, conditions, conditions and some of their biological conditions, brain genetics, prevent them from being educated.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:03:48 2013 No.3992377 >>3992373 Pretty sure I'm debating /pol/, who cites Fascists and National Socialist.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:04:48 2013 No.3992379

>>3992364
So on the one hand we have data that doesn't prove it, and on the other hand we have data that doesn't disprove it. That's cool, we can see what the future brings (I'm pretty sure genetics is advancing fast).

The problem is that /pol/ uses this inconclusive data to claim they're definitely right. And then claims to be the scientific/empirical/realistic ones.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:06:48 2013 No.3992381

>>3992372
Did you even read my previous post?

Most IQ testing comes down to pattern recognition and spatial cognition. These skills generally cannot be conditioned.

Have you ever done the fascinatingly simple work of understanding how adoption can affect a persons IQ?

I'll spoil it for you: Say two parents of about 90 IQ have a child. That child is born, and is given straight to affluent, educated parents of 130 IQ, who raise the child with books, and reading, and a culture of learning. Let's give this child an IQ test when they turn 18.

Can you predict around where their IQ will be?

I'll give you a hint: It's very close to 90.

I highly suggest you watch this video, citations are included: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnQPXuU81Q

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:07:48 2013 No.3992384 >>3992379 You're right. Claiming a definitive yes or no on this topic is too hasty.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:08:48 2013 No.3992385 >>3992381 The IQ test itself comes down to being able to understand concepts that may be foreign to the person taking it.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:10:48 2013 No.3992388

>>3992377
If you're gonna play that game, then that makes you the communist in this scenario. Communism has been debunked so many times and on such a massive scale that you lose by default.

How you can lose in your own imaginationland of LSD-influenced argumentative logic is beyond me. But you did it.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:11:48 2013 No.3992391

>>3992385
That's a very lame excuse and does not explain the consistent patterns observed in IQ testing.

I implore you to watch this 40 minute video. It's well edited and it involved interviews with well acclaimed scientists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnQPXuU81Q

Have you considered that not being able to understand the concepts might be indicative of the gap, not the cause of it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:12:49 2013 No.3992394 >>3992388 I'm a libertarian, you shit for fucks. And really resorting to trying to switch topics shows that I have won. Thank you. I'm going to jerk off to amateur skype videos and go to sleep.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:14:49 2013 No.3992397 >>3992391 Concepts that born from our culture, not general things. When you can make an IQ test that's general as fuck, then I'll accept it.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:15:48 2013 No.3992398

>>3992385
Also, I have to ask, have you ever taken a Raven's Progressive Matrices based IQ test?

It's unfathomable how simple they are. There aren't even instructions, it simple shows patterns and expects you to be able to figure out what the pattern is. No explanation is needed, really.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:15:48 2013 No.3992400 File: 156 KB, 920x552, obamawallpaper.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992395 Hava! Nagila Hava!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:15:48 2013 No.3992403 >>3992394 No, in the moronic scenario you concocted to disregard the guy's arguments, you would be the communist. >you nazi! >you communist! Exactly the same thing. Well, except that being a communist is worse by a factor of 10 to 20.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:16:48 2013 No.3992404 >>3992397 Go take an IQ test, then come back. When you see one you will understand how little culture could possible be involved.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:18:48 2013 No.3992409 >>3992395 Classic /pol/ da JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS fucking morons.

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 02:18:48 2013 No.3992411

>>3992403
Well well well, what do we have here?
Ok expert, tell me why and how Communism has been debunked?

Btw, good job /pol/. Your presence was noticeable with the 2 or 3 people constantly samefriending. In terms of skills, I hope to be able to bump and control post like you guys.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:19:49 2013 No.3992413 File: 111 KB, 1000x748, 1359741447666.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992411 T-thanks...

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Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:25:49 2013 No.3992420

>>3992411
>Communism has been debunked?

Have you read the Manifesto, specifically the demands at the end? It's some pretty retarded shit

>Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
>Abolition of all right of inheritance.
>Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

>gov monopolies on all communication, transport and major manufacturing

I mean...it's a bit extreme and simple minded, specially from an economic point of view...also it's not fair, why should I give all my property to the state if I emigrate or die? Why can't I give it to my family?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:25:49 2013 No.3992422 >>3992224 Gotta say, yhis post is probably the absolute worst 'I totally have read these books! Really!' I've ever seen on /lit/. It's brilliant in its terribleness.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:26:49 2013 No.3992423 >>3992420 >the state Yeah you missed alot of the points of Marxism, buddy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:27:48 2013 No.3992426 >>3992422 >being this mad and inarticulate

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:27:48 2013 No.3992429 >>3992423 >Yeah you missed alot of the points of Marxism, buddy. Who gets my property if not the state? "The people" ? Who?

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:27:48 2013 No.3992430

>>3992411
It has been tried many times; regionally, nationally and supernationally. cry evr tim

It fails on every level and often it can't even feed its own people (political agriculture -- toppest keks). Millions of people end up being taken into the forest never to be seen again, or just flat executed in specially constructed blood draining cellars. Aboriginal communities are better organized, happier and have better welfare all around than people who have to suffer commufailism. I wouldn't trust communists to organize a fucking neighborhood committee, it's just end with everybody killing each other and/or mass robbing the residents while telling them who to marry and where to work.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:29:48 2013 No.3992431

>>3992423

>marxism is stateless utopia

the demands go on to refer to the state and its powers....so I dunno what you're saying.

>5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State
>7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State

The manifesto itself refers to the state gaining those powers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:29:48 2013 No.3992432 File: 27 KB, 320x240, 1355034278077.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992417 Try again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:30:48 2013 No.3992433 File: 48 KB, 605x328, 110424_rand_ron_paul_ap_605.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] so THIS is the liberal containment board I thought you people had been driven back to reddit and mlp

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:30:48 2013 No.3992434 >>3992426 >mad Not really, hombre. Amused.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:31:48 2013 No.3992435 >>3992432 so a jew?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:31:48 2013 No.3992437 >>3992433 we're not a containment board tho because unlike you, people somewhat like us or at least consider us bearable to exist in the general presence of

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:32:48 2013 No.3992438 File: 78 KB, 562x437, 1371101905419.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992433 Except /lit/ does not harass or troll other boards or bothers others.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:32:49 2013 No.3992444 >>3992435 Why would a Jew post Ahmedinabro?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:32:49 2013 No.3992445 >>3992433 Yeah, we're always going on to other boards and shitposting about how the Jews aren't behind everything.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:33:49 2013 No.3992447 >>3992437 this bro has never dated a leftist

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:33:49 2013 No.3992449 >>3992444 Dinner jacket is a jew

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 02:33:49 2013 No.3992451

>>3992420
>dur hur hur gobermint taek eberyting

Fun Fact: The Manifesto was meant for Communist. You need to have an understanding of Communism.

>>3992430
No it has not. What has been done is a form of capitalism. Try again.
>Muh Millions
>I don't trust big groups
>couldn't feed people- this is problem with the ideology as a whole! Not because someone couldn't get into science!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:34:49 2013 No.3992452 File: 551 KB, 1285x1835, 2QUrfT1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992437 >>3992438 guess you guys don't visit sp, g, b, or v very often huh newsflash, you're some of the last liberals left even lgbt is trending right these days

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:34:49 2013 No.3992453

>>3992420
Yeah, an attack on the Manifesto isn't sustainable, given it was written to order for a bourgeois party.

Nice strawmanning; but we see that three times a day from undergraduates.

>>3992430
This is strange, because I've been in organised communist neighbourhood committees, and they're more efficient than the lifeless liberal consultative committees.

Also: the POUM, Hungarians and Czech revolutionaries didn't kill shit. Please do play more straw men. For starters you might like to read Lomax's 1956 or his source documents.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:35:49 2013 No.3992460 >>3992449 And you base this off? If its the nose, i hate to break it to you, but that is a Semitic nose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:36:49 2013 No.3992465 >>3992451 >Fun Fact: The Manifesto was meant for Communist. You need to have an understanding of Communism. so how do you make sense of its "demands" at the end?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:37:48 2013 No.3992469 >>3992460 me fukin ur mum

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:37:49 2013 No.3992468 >>3992453 >Yeah, an attack on the Manifesto isn't sustainable it defeats itself, is there a way to read it sensibly? Das Kapital is even worse.

>>	Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 02:38:48 2013 No.3992470 >>3992465 >>3992453 badum

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:38:48 2013 No.3992472 >>3992452 /lgbt/ is center left, they just want their rights. They are not racists or misogynists. /pol/ is virtually despised and most boards are center elft given their young user base, exceptions being you, /k/, /b/

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:39:49 2013 No.3992475

>>3992451
Tell me, what has changed making you think it will work the 342nd time?

Be honest with yourself.

I personally think that you just want the opportunity to mass murder the people who teased you in school. That's only reasonable explanation given that even a downsie can see the futility of endlessly repeating an action that just ends in misery.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:39:49 2013 No.3992478 >>3992447 okay? >>3992452 oh, i know that this site is trending right of /lit/ but we're not the ones that start shit, hence we aren't hated just look at this thread for chrissakes and this one >>>/q/715065

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 02:43:49 2013 No.3992483

>>3992475
>342nd time
>Implying all the same way
>Not understanding the differences within com ideologies
>Ad hom

Actually, I was quite popular in high school. I made the rumpus humpus with lots of femen.

I'm not continuing this. Meet me back at /pol/ if you want to me to shitsling.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:44:49 2013 No.3992485

>>3992468
>it defeats itself, is there a way to read it sensibly? Das Kapital is even worse.
…

Sure, mate, sure. Argument by assertion works when you shitpost. Here's a clue: launch a sustainable methodological attack on Capital. You're not allowed to refer to the calculation debate.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:44:49 2013 No.3992486

>someone of probable /pol/ association arrives and asks very specific questions for book recommendations
>/lit/ throws a hissy fit and proceeds to prove /pol/sters right when they say that /lit/ is full of tumblr-esque SJW's and illogical liberals

Good fucking job /lit/, you did it. Why you pay these idiots the time of day, I have no idea.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:45:48 2013 No.3992489 >>3992483 Answer me, don't cut and run. How has reality changed to suit the successful implementation of commufailism?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:45:48 2013 No.3992490 >>3992486 this

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:45:49 2013 No.3992488 >>3992483 >I made the rumpus humpus with lots of femen Femen? The Soros backed organization?

>>	Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 02:46:48 2013 No.3992491 >>3992488 It was a joke niggggaaaaaaaaaaa

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:47:49 2013 No.3992494 >>3992486 if we don't tell them off, we send the message that it is okay to say what they say fuck off with your apathetic above it all bullshit

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:48:48 2013 No.3992496 >>3992486 >SJW's and illogical liberals and admitted communists. What a fine and enlightened bunch.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:48:48 2013 No.3992497 >>3992494 u can only stay if i like it

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:48:48 2013 No.3992498 >>3992491 Im sorry, my autism doenst make me understand.

>>	Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 02:48:49 2013 No.3992495 >>3992489 Marxism and it's variants are ways to get to Communism. We change what we do in order to get to Communism.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:49:48 2013 No.3992499 >>3992495 You still haven't answered me. What has changed that will make your rotten murder ideology magically turn out nice this time?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:49:48 2013 No.3992500 >>3992497 No they can stay, provided they dont roll, shit post or be racists.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:49:48 2013 No.3992502

>>3992494
I don't think you understand. 90% of the pro-/lit/ people in this thread are worse than /pol/. These lib-idiots only increase /pol/'s own credibility by being better. Attacking someone for hurting your feelings does nothing for you and just makes /pol/ stronger. I should know, I browse /pol/, and /lit/ is acting well within the confines of "typical tumblr SJW shittards".

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:50:48 2013 No.3992504 >>3992500 no racists in this thread

>>	Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 02:50:48 2013 No.3992505 >>3992499 How about you ask the question properly then? >Revolution >Nice Toplel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:51:48 2013 No.3992507 >>3992489 The completion of primitive accumulation.4+/***

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:52:48 2013 No.3992508 >>3992504 /pol/acks generally are racist. Its a perquisite, im sure there is some tone, idea in this thread. >>3992502 /pol/ please go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:53:48 2013 No.3992509 >>3992508 >/pol/ is one person, most of pol of racial realists

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:53:48 2013 No.3992510 >>3992505 You're dodging and you know it. What has changed that will somehow make your retarded, debunked kook ideology grant more benefit than disadvantages this time?

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:56:48 2013 No.3992515

>>3992502
well, i really don't care what /pol/ thinks of me, and if they become convinced we're a den of "typical tumblr SJW shittards" and decide to leave us alone, well, i'd be perfectly happy

and no, none of the pro-/lit/ people here are worse than /pol/. you are being incredibly lazy and jumping to kneejerk centrism, and you should be ashamed, to be so cowardly as to avoid picking a side just because you're afraid to possibly be wrong. you really should, to still be pulling this crap.

finally, we're not attacking them for hurting our feelings. we're attacking them for shitting up our board with their uneducated, insipid, hateful, pretentious posts. because you can just see the juvenile delusions of grandeur, and the arrogance, and the lack of empathy behind the screen. /pol/ is everything that is wrong with america, it is everything that we must fight in the coming years. so kindly fuck off

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:56:49 2013 No.3992512 >>3992510 Well the collapse of bourgeois substitutionalist parties on the left for one. Lenin, Stalin and Mao all forced the value form onto workers. Their deaths should be counted against capital.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:56:49 2013 No.3992513

>>3992509
>Race realist
HAHAHHAHAHAAHAHH

>nigger, niggers, niggers are violent, why are niggers subhuman
>jews, jews, kikes, kikes, da jooos
>blacks arnt being held down
>why are niggers violent
>chimp out

>women are less intelligent than men, women are inferior
>feminists want to castrate men
>why are all women whores.

^/pol/

>>	Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 02:56:49 2013 No.3992514 >>3992510 Why it's the scientific process introduced by Marxist-Leninist-Maoism of course! What are the disadvantages you're claiming?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:57:48 2013 No.3992516 >>3992513 >/pol/ is one person >what is free speech >What is joking around

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:57:48 2013 No.3992517 >>3992512 So the benefit I can look forward to is death and destruction... again. Oh, lefties.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:58:48 2013 No.3992519 >>3992517 You're functionally illiterate. I feel so sorry for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:59:48 2013 No.3992521 >>3992514 >we must implement bloobaology to get the benefit of bloobaology which is bloobaology >repeat disproven experiment 89219213 times >sane

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:59:48 2013 No.3992522 >>3992516 >Damage control. Stop, you know damn well its full of WN/NS, racists and misogynists.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 02:59:48 2013 No.3992524

>>3992516
1) what are generalizations that capture the tenor of discourse

2)no states are trying to limit your discourse, dumbfuck, freedom of speech doesn't mean we can't point out how stupid you are

3) those aren't jokes, they're just /pol/'s impotent rage at how awful their lives turned out

>>	Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 03:00:48 2013 No.3992526 >>3992521 >Still not picking up sarcasm >Still not telling me what is wrong so I can clearly structure my argument

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:03:48 2013 No.3992528

>>3992526
It's simple. I'm a human. I take actions and/or support people or ideas based on maximizing the benefit to myself, my nation and mankind.

Now tell me, what has actually changed in the world that indicates that it will be feasible and beneficial to make another go of your ideology?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:10:48 2013 No.3992537 >>3992526 >Marxist-Leninist-Maoist post a pic of yourself pls

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:10:48 2013 No.3992538

>>3992508
>/pol/ please go.
Oh, ok. Nice for to jump to such a quick conclusion that me browsing /pol/ equals me thinking the joos are trying to read my mind or something.

>>3992515
>you are being incredibly lazy and jumping to kneejerk centrism, and you should be ashamed, to be so cowardly as to avoid picking a side just because you're afraid to possibly be wrong. you really should, to still be pulling this crap.

What are you talking about? Pull what crap? Saying /lit/ needs to get its shit together before taking to the fields and trying to prove /pol/ wrong by doing nothing more than feeding them and fitting into their little games?

>uneducated, insipid, hateful, pretentious posts
> because you can just see the juvenile delusions of grandeur, and the arrogance, and the lack of empathy behind the screen

Oh wow, good to know that you aren't attacking them for hurting your feelings, but your feelings are still pretty sore nonetheless. What exactly is hateful about differences in IQ by the races? What exactly is uneducated about using scientific studies? You can very well bring up your own studies but do not pretend that "racially charged" findings do not get heavily scrutinized and criticized much worse than their "equality friendly" counterparts. Academia has a bias all its own and pretending it isn't there does nothing for your cause when the opposing side can see it clearly.

>/pol/ is everything that is wrong with america, it is everything that we must fight in the coming years. so kindly fuck off

Oh please, if anything /pol/ is everything right with America. You can have a crazy, ass-backwards opinion and voice it loud and clear without fear of getting jumped by the feds. I am much more worried about the growing crowd on the left that is obsessed with "inequality" than some hard-core /pol/ster getting an office somewhere and trying to ban black people.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:11:48 2013 No.3992544 File: 182 KB, 252x484, leftist7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what's up with leftists and their strange sense of fashion?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:14:48 2013 No.3992550 >>3992505 >revolution >nice >toplel. 2edgy4me

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:15:49 2013 No.3992552

>>3992538
>Oh please, if anything /pol/ is everything right with America.

You are so right anon, lets take away rights from women, blacks, LGBTQ and Jews. Then kill some of them, and proceed to circle jerk over what is "white", then fuck a few kids.

>Oh, ok. Nice for to jump to such a quick conclusion that me browsing /pol/ equals me thinking the joos are trying to read my mind or something.
And yet, here you are defending them. I think you like the idea of /pol/ free speech, but not what they advocate.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:16:49 2013 No.3992555

>>3992528
>I take actions and/or support people or ideas based on maximizing the benefit to myself, my nation and mankind.
No. You're universalising a personal experience and smuggling the conclusion of homo economicus in as a premise.

This is a common gambit, so common as to be base.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:19:49 2013 No.3992558

>>3992538
geez, just fucking leave /lit/, of course our side has bias, everyone has bias you dumb ass, that's why i don't fucking care if i'm being rude to /pol/. objectivity is impossible, and the people who bring it up seriously are idiots, race is a meaningless concept upon which we've constructed hierarchies of power, real science has shown again and again genes don't determine intelligence, even black violence can be explained by the higher unemployment rate, and you're making the mistake that /pol/ is necessarily on the anti-statist side when /pol/ is in fact heavily pro-state in the strongest of senses, in the sense of the state having a monopoly on the use of violence and employing said violence to repress disadvantaged groups and retain the power in the hands of the landed elites. the left is obsessed with inequality because it's a real issue anyone with a dollop sense cares about. but of course, you've read one fucking book on your life and you still believe political systems exist on a bipolar (or maybe quadripolar, i don't know exactly how fucking reductive your stupid thoughts are) spectrum, and you've absorbed basic american hegemony, so i'm sorry captain dystopian novels, for daring to assert that maybe i care more about black people getting killed everyday than some insecure white dude trying to compensate for the fact that girls don't like him and he's bad at sports by pretending he's smart on 4chan. i really am. you win guy, you win.

Marxist-Leninist-Maoist !quM58wnvXA Fri Aug 2 03:20:49 2013 No.3992563
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>>3992528
>Suporting myself
That's cool
>My nation
Wat. why?
>Mankind
Then look into Communism
>What has changed?
The reality of the situation. NeoLibs are hiding capitalist interest under the guise of liberalism (hence why people on the right call Obama a communist). The actions of the capitalist conflict with the interest of the masses. This isn't idealism. This is the reality. My interests align with the interest of other people in the same situation like me. Therefore, I will work with them for revolution, or moreso, a better way of living.
>>3992537
Pic related
>>3992544
Liberals. Edgy. Poor.
>>3992550
>If you disagree with someone, call them edgy!

>Believing our way of life won't come to a horrible end and not doing anything about it to make sure you can live until 120 without Imperialist powers fucking each other up

3edgy5me

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:21:49 2013 No.3992567 >>3992558 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watson people do disagree with you

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:22:48 2013 No.3992570 >>3992558 >real science has shown again and again genes don't determine intelligence But that's not even true. Genes play a significant role. I suggest you familiarize yourself with some more contemporary research.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:24:48 2013 No.3992573 >>3992567 yeah, one guy who couldn't even contribute to science without stealing his big idea from someone else, and did pretty much no works on genetics proper gg

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:24:48 2013 No.3992575 >>3992538 >I am much more worried about the growing crowd on the left that is obsessed with "inequality" than some hard-core /pol/ster getting an office somewhere and trying to ban black people Holy shit, why?

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:25:48 2013 No.3992579

>>3992552
>You are so right anon, lets take away rights from women, blacks, LGBTQ and Jews. Then kill some of them, and proceed to circle jerk over what is "white", then fuck a few kids.

Nice to know you don't browse /pol/, or at least are very, very easy to troll (which I guess should be obvious from this thread). /pol/ might hate women, blacks, Jews, etc, but they don't want anyone's rights taken away. /pol/ has proven with both the Zimmerman trial and the whole LAPD fiasco that they will support black or hispanic people if their cause is just. /pol/ doesn't want people being treated unfairly by the government, which includes Affirmative Action and such policies like it, and /pol/ definitely doesn't want the tumblr crowd and check-your-privilege shit getting more power than it already has over a segment of younger people that are buying into it.

The only thing I can see the majority of /pol/ wanting to strip of their rights would be the government, though /pol/ has no love for any authority whatsoever. >>3992552
>And yet, here you are defending them. I think you like the idea of /pol/ free speech, but not what they advocate.
If you are going to support free speech, you have to support people's right to say and debate anything. Me coming here and defending /pol/ is necessary because /lit/ is just as biased as the worst of them. You denounce /pol/ for writing people off as JIDF, but come here on /lit/ and ask an admittedly /pol/ minded question and all you get is >>>/pol/. /lit/ is no better.

>>	kinexa !!H++zpYvTC2q Fri Aug 2 03:25:48 2013 No.3992580 >>3992573 Dont forget all the LSD.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:25:48 2013 No.3992582 >>3992573 It's like you don't know anything and everything comes down to a convenient personal narrative of good and evil. Oh, right, liberal. Back to your impassioned walls of text, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:27:48 2013 No.3992587 >>3991949 >(not that objectivity is possible, but anyway...) Come will a universal law to my face motherfucker not over the internet see what events can be intersubjectively and therefore objectively said to occur.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:29:48 2013 No.3992590

>>3992582
it's like you aren't aware of basic facts, and just spout edgy entry-level skepticism
>>3992579
>wah /lit/ doesn't take our outdated bullshit seriously
cry me a river, we've shown you again and again, and you just don't get it, sorry if we get tired and want to have big boy discussions

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:29:48 2013 No.3992591 >>3992587 >intersubjectivity as an objectivity ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, oh Frenchies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:29:48 2013 No.3992592 >>3992579 But we're telling you as a community to fuck off. >>3992582 Same for you, libertarian.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:30:48 2013 No.3992595

>>3992558
>race is a meaningless concept upon which we've constructed hierarchies of power, real science has shown again and again genes don't determine intelligence, even black violence can be explained by the higher unemployment rate, and you're making the mistake that /pol/ is necessarily on the anti-statist side when /pol/ is in fact heavily pro-state in the strongest of senses, in the sense of the state having a monopoly on the use of violence and employing said violence to repress disadvantaged groups and retain the power in the hands of the landed elites
All of this was wrong. Not even "hey, I made some mistakes", but literally everything I just quoted is factually incorrect.

>>3992558
>so i'm sorry captain dystopian novels, for daring to assert that maybe i care more about black people getting killed everyday than some insecure white dude trying to compensate for the fact that girls don't like him and he's bad at sports by pretending he's smart on 4chan.
>that strawman
Am I on /pol/? OH NO WAIT, this is /lit/, so this opinion is clearly much more educated than one I would find on /pol/! Strange though... they look awfully similar...

>>3992575
Because /pol/ would never get elected. Never. I have much less doubt on SJW getting elected though, they have a much bigger following. Christ, a number of Obama's own comments on why the poor are poor fit perfectly into tumblr's narrative of "there are no jobs because the rich just want to get richer" stupidity.

I'm going to bed now, thanks for being great /lit/. I love you, even if you don't love me.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:33:48 2013 No.3992599

>>3992579
>but they don't want anyone's rights taken away.
/pol/ actively talks about limiting AA and denying women the right to vote as well as minorities.

>/pol/ has proven with both the Zimmerman trial and the whole LAPD fiasco that they will support black or hispanic people if their cause is just.
/pol/ supported Zim for killing a black boy. They supported Dorner for killing cops and Breverik for killing communists/Marxists/feminists. /pol/ just has bloodlust and is full of angsty man-children.

>/pol/ doesn't want people being treated unfairly by the government, which includes Affirmative Action and such policies like it,
AA is to level the playing field for disadvantage groups. Funny how /pol/ never talks about the AA that colleges use to get men to maintain a 40% gender balance.

>The only thing I can see the majority of /pol/ wanting to strip of their rights would be the government, though /pol/ has no love for any authority whatsoever.
The AnCaps, anarchists, libertarian are a small number. /pol/ actively talks about day of the rope, and death camps, and their love of the fuhrer and how they want to rid the world of the kikes. They only hate the government supporting Israel. /pol/ just hates it when the government is up their ass, but not everyone else.

>/lit/ is no better.
We dont harass, troll or raid. Not to mention we dont scream da jooooos, kikes, niggers, mudslimes, le red pill XDDDDDD
We are more calm, and respectful.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:34:48 2013 No.3992602 >everyone ad homming Hey mambo! Mambo italiano!

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:34:48 2013 No.3992603

>>3992595
>literally everything I just quoted is factually incorrect
literally everything I just quoted is factually incorrect, thus everything you quoted is correct

and that wasn't a strawman, you fucking dumbass. that was an insult. learn the difference before you pretend you know what you're doing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:36:48 2013 No.3992606 >>3992603 >claimed something that was a strawman is something even more pathetic

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:36:48 2013 No.3992608

>>3992590
>cry me a river, we've shown you again and again, and you just don't get it, sorry if we get tired and want to have big boy discussions

Oh god I forgot how funny /lit/ can be. What exactly do you mean by outdated? Racial differences are going to be around forever. There is no closing the gap without forcefully and violently doing so, which will end up accomplishing nothing else but attempting to make fish into birds. Come 10, 50, 100 years, Africa will be just as terrible a place to live, probably worse, America will be more left and still scratching its head as to why the economy wasn't as good as it used to be way, way back when, and black people will have it worse literally everywhere in the world than the other races. I would honestly offer reasons as to why this is, but I really need to get to sleep, so I'll just infuriate you further by leaving it at that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:38:48 2013 No.3992613 >>3992608 >claiming /lit/ to be liberals >Still believing in the American liberal-conservative paradigm LYLLLLLLLLLLLL LE XD

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:38:48 2013 No.3992614

>>3992603
>getting this butthurt
There are proven differences between races genetically, /pol/ is anti-statist besides the fascist and communist factions, and they definitely do not like people with power. Why do you think they hate Jews?

>insult isn't a strawman
Semantics, they are intertwined.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:38:48 2013 No.3992615 >>3992608 Your 19th century racial science. Or as you call them: le repills XDDDDD

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:39:48 2013 No.3992617 >>3992590 >Watson is a mean misogynist >:( That means I know more than him - literally a liberal axiom

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:39:48 2013 No.3992618 >>3992614 They hate the Jews because they have power and because Jews do, according to them: Degeneracy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:40:48 2013 No.3992619 >>3992606 this is 4chan, if i wasn't insulting people, i'd go to le reddit you're a fucking dumbass if you can't process insults and content seperately

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:40:48 2013 No.3992621 >>3992618 Dont forget anon, it just to keep the superior, proud Aryan man down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:42:48 2013 No.3992622 Let's make this thread 404! >AntiCommunist make Communism not cool >3rd Way Centrist push for things through Moralism and fake adapting socialism >Tumblr Liberal born.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:42:48 2013 No.3992623

>>3992614
the concept of race is meaningless outside of our cultural understanding you dumbass
and libertarians sure as hell aren't anti-statist you dumbfuck, that was the whole point of me mentioning it
throwing people in jail and maintaining private property are the essence of the state

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:43:48 2013 No.3992626 >>3992619 >loljk jus pretedning to b stupid xDD

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:44:48 2013 No.3992628

>>3992617
or maybe it's that he was an awful scientist and couldn't come up with anything on his own, and didn't even do work in the field he's spouting off in?
>>3992626
if you're incapable of reading and interpreting language, i'm done here, because that is literally nothing like what i said or intended to get a cross.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:46:48 2013 No.3992632 >>3992599 AA is unethical and racist, no lib can support blatant race privilege for the sake of diversity....

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:46:48 2013 No.3992633 >>3992628 >a cross lol ur a religious fag get off of lit we like empirical evidence le xDDDD

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:50:49 2013 No.3992635 >>3992633 fedora pls go

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:51:49 2013 No.3992636 >>3992595 >Because /pol/ would never get elected. Never. Wut. Maybe not the specific people on /pol/, because they're unlikely to amount to anything. But racists in general get into political positions all the damn time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 03:57:09 2013 No.3992642 10/10 OP 10/10

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:17:11 2013 No.3992659

>>3991959
>he doesn't know about the dozens of IRC channels, forums, websites and mail lists we've made from previous operations, and current agendas
We're pretty well-connected. Trust me. You don't want to delete /pol/. Imagine what would happen if you deleted /mlp/...

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:18:11 2013 No.3992660 so this is where the liberal scum hide you called us so now we're here.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:19:11 2013 No.3992661

>>3992632
You'd be surprised. They delude themselves into thinking that whites are innately better, and as such, need to be crippled by taxes, and the blacks bolstered by handouts.

They are the real racists. All I want is to have the same work and education opportunities, government handouts, public housing options and healthcare as a black man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:22:11 2013 No.3992664 >>3992660 Together we shall culturally enrich the close-minded bigots.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:23:11 2013 No.3992668 >>3992664 >not wanting your girlfriend to get the bbc she wants

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:24:11 2013 No.3992670 >>3992240 Shekler is Jewish and therefore subhuman Sheckler... shekels c'mon man

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:29:13 2013 No.3992673

>>3992661
To be fair, a black man isn't multicult jackpot. Now what about a black lesbian womyn? Holy shit.

Sometimes I wonder if I should claim to be a homo, and play up my fractional jewish identity. And maybe if this "I am what I feel I am" thing catches on properly, I can register as a black womyn. It's basically the modern equivalent of joining the masons - all sorts of good things will happen. As a womyn in my country I'd even get some free womyn points on tests, instantly boosting my smarts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:32:13 2013 No.3992678 >>3992673 I was applying for a job the other day, and I considered not specifying my ethnicity and gender, even though I'm a white male. That is how far the pendulum has swung.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:33:13 2013 No.3992680 >>3992673 >mfw I identify as obama, so you have to let me rule the united states, or you're guilty of hate crime

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:40:13 2013 No.3992689 File: 2.54 MB, 3330x4010, thomasjefferson8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3991920 there are three books I highly recommend in this graphic how the n ation was won - lowry treason in america - chaitkin surviving the cataclysm - tarpley

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:45:15 2013 No.3992697 >>3991924 Which board is this literature or sci-fi? Shove mein kampf up your ass, you'll thank me one time. ALSO MOOT WILL NEVER DELETE /POL/ YOU FUCKING LIBERALS, JUDEN, SCHEISSKINDER ETC ETC

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:49:15 2013 No.3992702

>>3992599
>AA is to level the playing field for disadvantage groups. Funny how /pol/ never talks about the AA that colleges use to get men to maintain a 40% gender balance.

your argument PRESUMES that we see value in remedying this disparity when the truth is we want it to reflect merit and desire of individuals both when the white male was the majority and when he is the minority - in other words, a perfectly consistent an honest approach

college degrees are worth less now because the process has been feminized. really only the STEM fields are providing worthwhile education and of course they are male dominated and likely to remain that way because men flock to them to escape the degradation of all other subjects by the influx of vapidity

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:50:15 2013 No.3992707 White superiority is not a means it is the end.

ññññññ !!cXQErBqDZhE Fri Aug 2 04:55:15 2013 No.3992717

>>3992123
>/pol/ don't even understand that French, Belgian, Dutch, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese and Hungarian fascisms weren't skin or blood fascisms, but culturalist
I'm from /pol/. TBH, most of /pol/ doesn't fucking care about fascism in a historical sense and would rather post in shit threads about feminism and Trayvon. On the other hand, the people that are aware of European fascism beyond popular ideas of Nazi Germany are usually decently well informed.

I'm a fascist (I think the figures I admire most are Mussolini and Salazar), myself, but I believe more in cultural nationalism than ethnic nationalism (which is still important, to an extent). We actually have fascist threads where most people agree with me, besides the small Stormfront-esque pan-Europeanism "white race" circlejerk, and besides, we think they're all retarded anyway.

There are stupid people on /pol/, but not everyone thinks that race is a binary. IMO, ethnic differences are definitely real, and those, along with culture are what make up race. You'd be surprised how many of the people on /pol/ agree with me.

On that note, enjoy your Pynchon, DFW, getting assmad at /pol/, and whatever else it is you guys do

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:57:16 2013 No.3992720 File: 8 KB, 400x400, 1367447600855.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:57:16 2013 No.3992722 >>3992707 It is our duty and core value as leftists to mock, harrass and campaign against white people until their birth rate is 0.1. We can't bring an end to this evil race soon enough.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:58:16 2013 No.3992724 File: 112 KB, 566x800, Remove Kebab.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's going on in here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 04:59:16 2013 No.3992729 >>3992722 >tfw getting fucked in the ass by bbc until he diversifies all over my back

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 05:34:20 2013 No.3992764 >>3992615 Genetics is a 19th century science now?

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 05:50:22 2013 No.3992780

>>3992722
>race is a social construct
>we must end the evil white race

Stay classy leftists.

Oh and when the day comes that the white race has gone for good all you leftists are going to have to deal with the Chinese and their eugenics programs that are already underway.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 06:59:15 2013 No.3992886

>>3992717
>On that note, enjoy your Pynchon, DFW, getting assmad at /pol/, and whatever else it is you guys do

Hey ñ-fascista. It takes about 10 minutes to hide the fictive literature, young adult, "rate my peom," and genre threads. Usually you can find at least one thread that can be saved for an argument about contemporary marxist theory.

The history threads here are shit. The least shit on 4chan. But that's largely because some of the academics around /lit/ hammer people about fantasies, historical fiction and poor methodology.

You must feel as ashamed about stormfags as I do by teenage Trotskites playing with "My First Party."

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 07:58:20 2013 No.3992971 File: 37 KB, 442x410, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3992623 That is beyond not true >genes are different and affect many different parts of the body >except the brain

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