How old were you when you grew out of philosophy? 25 here. Took me some time but finally I've stopped trying to jump my shadow and can move on.

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Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:03:38 2013 No.3919327 [DELETED]

How old were you when you grew out of philosophy?

25 here. Took me some time but finally I've stopped trying to jump my shadow and can move on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:04:37 2013 No.3919330 it took me developing schizophrenia to see just how useless the entirety of philosophy is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:06:37 2013 No.3919337 File: 842 KB, 2393x3000, science be upon him.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 15, then i found science and atheism

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:07:37 2013 No.3919339 >>3919327 30 maybe? When I stopped feeling inadequate for not being able to conquer sophistry. And when I read Derrida. I mean, c'mon...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:11:37 2013 No.3919350 >>3919327 19 everyone I talked to were first year university philosophy students and I hated them all. I didnt ever want to sound like they did

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:12:37 2013 No.3919351 Can someone tell me who the guy between Foucault and Marx is supposed to be?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:12:37 2013 No.3919353 File: 27 KB, 262x261, Trashman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3919337

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:13:37 2013 No.3919354 >>3919337 lel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:14:38 2013 No.3919357 >>3919351 Looks like a filthy British Empiricist to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:14:38 2013 No.3919360 ITT: Idiots who don't understand eloquently written thoughts try to make themselves feel better

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:15:38 2013 No.3919362 >>3919357 Yeah but which one?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:15:38 2013 No.3919363 >>3919351 barthes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:15:38 2013 No.3919364 File: 6 KB, 286x311, Copy (2) of 1340009674343.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3919350 That aint grewing out of it, that's avoiding it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:16:38 2013 No.3919371 >>3919360 this post does it for me. i no longer have an interest in philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:18:37 2013 No.3919377 File: 16 KB, 230x300, 1334341465426.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3919327 I haven't even grown IN to it yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 15:20:37 2013 No.3919386 >>3919364 I was all into the discussion of it, and even read about it no longer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:02:37 2013 No.3919666 >>3919386 So what replaced philosophy if you grew out of it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:04:37 2013 No.3919674 >>3919666 Life, Mr 666.

>>	Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc Mon Jul 8 17:07:37 2013 No.3919678 I said fuck it and became a hedonist. #YOLO is the true meaning of life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:08:37 2013 No.3919680 >growing out of philosophy >implying everything you do isn't based on an underlying personal philosophy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:09:37 2013 No.3919681 >>3919678 Would Epicureans approve of YOLO#?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:12:38 2013 No.3919690 File: 67 KB, 491x563, 1359502500233.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3919674 >Mr 666. >mfw

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:12:38 2013 No.3919691 >>3919680 >thinking before action >nothing occurs without thought

Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:32:38 2013 No.3919731

>when you grew out of philosophy?
i seriously doubt anyone in this thread has even read much philosophy at all, let alone taken any serious courses in a serious university. youre 18, uneducated and think youve grown out of something you know nothing about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:39:37 2013 No.3919742 >>3919666 Wittgensteinism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:47:37 2013 No.3919757 >>3919742 So, that's the new religion in town right? What are the requirements? Being good at hand... i mean, manual jobs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:50:37 2013 No.3919764 >>3919337 Analytic philosophy sure kicks the shit out of postmodernism and existentialism. Read Dennett at least. Of course there is a juvenile approach to the philosophy of science, but those youngsters and pop-sci icons don't invalidate everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:52:37 2013 No.3919768 Derrida is horrible. Not even real philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 17:57:37 2013 No.3919775 >>3919327 18, when I found Baudelaire and Keats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 18:40:37 2013 No.3919855 >>3919330 eh

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 18:43:37 2013 No.3919862 12 when I read the bible

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 18:45:37 2013 No.3919872 >>3919680 >implying that 99% of our worldy actions are instinctual Take some 2C-B, and you'll understand what it's like to think about every action before you perform it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 18:46:37 2013 No.3919878 Halfway through studying it at university I got bored with it and then picked up reading literature instead. Certain areas of philosophy still interest me, but the passion I used to have for it is gone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:09:38 2013 No.3919936 >>3919872 That's insanity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:20:37 2013 No.3919951 >>3919872 Wait, there are people on this board who do things without thinking? I know that doing things without thinking is what dumb people do but I didn't think people like that browsed this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:23:38 2013 No.3919959 >>3919951 Some people are athletic, tubs.

Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:27:38 2013 No.3919972
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you can't grow out of philosophy, you can only choose not to question things any longer and stick to a set of life stances and worldviews for the rest of your life, like an animal or a member of the mob

stay pleb faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:28:38 2013 No.3919975 >>3919327 >growing out I don't think you should ever grow out of questioning and trying to understand the world around you. There is something to be said about realizing that you can't know everything though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:29:38 2013 No.3919978 >>3919975 If you don't die first, you will become an adult and this phase will end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:33:37 2013 No.3919987 >>3919978 Then everyone should aim for dying before becoming an adult, because that's worse than death.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:34:37 2013 No.3919990 >>3919987 No, it's acceptance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:35:37 2013 No.3919994 >>3919978 But why must one stop questioning and learning? I feel like that's a sad form of existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:37:37 2013 No.3919996 >>3919994 You just stop asking the same questions over and over and getting the same answers. It's called maturing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:37:38 2013 No.3919999 >>3919994 You stop questionning with philosophy when you realise that it became a masturbation on circular logic. Then you moved on to something more meaningful, art, for instance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:37:38 2013 No.3920000 >>3919987 An aged philosopher is either a monster of stamina or a charlatan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:38:37 2013 No.3920001 >>3919678 I've figured after having existential crises that hedonism is the only correct path, but i feel guilty. >tfw you were raised in church

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:38:37 2013 No.3920002 >>3920000 I feel sorry for them, and a little awed by their existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:38:37 2013 No.3920003 Rejecting philosophy is a philosophical viewpoint

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:40:37 2013 No.3920005 >>3920003 Taking a shit is not a philosophical viewpoint. Either way, things are wasted.

Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:40:37 2013 No.3920007

>>3919996
So does that mean that to be considered an adult one should have gone through a period of philosophical wandering?

What if someone skips this phase and just grows up accepting the world around them? Many people are like this today, and they lead regular, ADULT lives--with jobs and kids and the ability to vote.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:41:37 2013 No.3920009 >growing out of philosophy >not growing out of /lit/ >not growing out of the internet >not growing out of your room all is upside down

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:42:37 2013 No.3920013 >>3920007 They are probably boring people. Nothing wrong with that, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:42:37 2013 No.3920014 18. I was trying to use philosophy to try and find peace with myself that common culture made me feel inadequate but philosophy was not as peaceful as I wanted it to be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:43:37 2013 No.3920018 >>3919872 If you have to think about actions before you perform them you are hesitating, and therefore failing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:44:37 2013 No.3920020 >>3920018 So, that's why Asians (and women) are bad drivers!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:46:37 2013 No.3920022 i prefer to live life instead of read what other people think about it.

Suomynona Mon Jul 8 19:47:37 2013 No.3920025
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Philosophy doesn't refer to a single pattern of organized thought, you fucking knuckle dragging piece of mongoloid shit spewed from a donkey's asshole. It's an umbrella term, encompassing numerous possible definitions. To add, its complexity surpasses any puerile quality which someone could simply 'grow out of'.

Go back to /b/, you failed abortion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 19:53:37 2013 No.3920044 >>3920025 You sound trapped, in a mind prison.

Anonymous Mon Jul 8 20:16:37 2013 No.3920100

>>3920022
>i prefer to live life instead of read what other people think about it

-Stella from How Stella Got Her Groove Back, walking away after encountering a handsome yet distant man reading a book by the pool
theater full of middle aged women hoot and cheer wildly

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 20:20:37 2013 No.3920113 Never. I still read the Tao te Ching but I trashed the rest of philosophy a long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 20:26:38 2013 No.3920130 >>3919959 Im completely fit. You think that athletes don't do a lot of thinking? Of course they do. Every sport is about rapid decision making.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 20:28:37 2013 No.3920132 >>3919972 >>3920025 These two responses are golden and you, my dear OP, are a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 20:51:37 2013 No.3920191 >>3920005 But philosophy IS taking a shit. You do not take the philosophical words(shit) to heart, you find out what the philosopher experienced(ate) to make those words.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 20:55:37 2013 No.3920204 >>3920191 You're talking about examining shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 20:58:37 2013 No.3920211 >>3920204 Yes, I am. You must figure out what the bear ate so that you may eat what it ate and become a bear also.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 21:00:37 2013 No.3920216 >>3920211 After awhile, you've seen em all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 21:02:38 2013 No.3920225 >>3919337 8/10 m8, jimmies almost rustled

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 8 21:17:38 2013 No.3920253 >>3919681 I've actually thought about this. If death brings freedom from suffering, then why shouldn't everyone just kill themselves?

Anonymous Mon Jul 8 21:24:38 2013 No.3920273

Philosophy is what led me to science.

I could never understand how (modern) philosophers can function without a proper scientific background; I remember how my high school philosophy classes (which were mostly on ontology for some reason) used to send me into (internalised) bouts of rage because they never actually answered the question of "Yeah but how do you actually KNOW that?".

So it's more accurate to say I never grew into it in the first place.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 06:38:38 2013 No.3921283

>>3919999

This. I have 0 respect for Philosophy tbh. Other than it being what led to science back in Ancient Greece, it's a useless, pretentious circlejerk for talentless hacks who can't into science/art (the only two fields that deserve respect).

I kinda fucking loathe Philosophy with a burning passion

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 06:46:37 2013 No.3921291 >>3921283 Pro-tip: Feyerabend demonstrated that Science follows exactly the same rules as Philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 06:55:37 2013 No.3921299 >>3921283 'Science' is a subset of 'philosophy', bru.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 06:59:37 2013 No.3921305 >>3921299 And it's the only one that really seems to be onto something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 07:07:37 2013 No.3921313 >>3919364 So, you believe you're above philosophy? why? because your thoughts are more profound than anyone else, or because you've already decided where you stand?

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 07:45:37 2013 No.3921340

>>3921283
>science
>ancient greece

lol

philosophy isn't the kind of thing you grow out of. to begin with, that supposes it's infantile which is a bit of a silly way to look at things. secondly, philosophy is a broad set of research programs, theories, praxes, and ways of understanding things. To discount the whole enterprise is mind-bogglingly arrogant. And as other anons have said, it is to take a position within philosophy anyway.

if this the new way of being an edgy teenager, god help us. i much preferred it when you were existentialists or nietzscheans or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 07:50:38 2013 No.3921349 >>3920253 I'm thinking "You only live once" is exactly the answer to that. It might be a slightly depressing outlook on life to someone who's used to something more grand but this one life is the only thing we know for sure we have.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 08:31:37 2013 No.3921421

>>3921340
>science
>ancient greece

>lol

How fucking retarded are you? Philosophy in AG, the transition from mythos to logos is what led to Science as we know it.

>>3921299
In the original sense of the word Philosophy, sure. And as I said it's the only good thing that's come out of Philosophy. Nowadays no one understands science as a subset of Philosophy, come on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 09:12:39 2013 No.3921499 The project of Philosophy implies a correct (or at least better) way to act, see things, etc.. This is silly. You are wasting your time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 09:17:39 2013 No.3921507 people who say they stopped doing philosophy are still doing philosophy, they are just no longer doing it self consciously there is no NOT doing philosophy, there is only un-conscious philosophizing and self conscious philosophizing

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 09:26:37 2013 No.3921526 >>3921507 pretty much, i also don't know why someone would claim to stop it did they grow tired, or did they decide exactly where they stand?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 09:26:37 2013 No.3921531 >>3919666 You don't replace it or grow out of it. You basically shop around and pick the ideas that you agree with the most and live by those principles. Personally, I chose to live my life according to the Bible, but that's just me.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 09:54:37 2013 No.3921576

>>3921421

you're correct, philosophy did lead to science. but the previous poster talks of science IN ancient greece. to claim science existed in ancient greece is either to be outrageously broad with one's definition of science, or just plain ignorant.

>>	Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw Tue Jul 9 09:57:37 2013 No.3921583 >>3921576 >to claim science existed in ancient greece is either to be outrageously broad with one's definition of science, or just plain ignorant. tell that to Thomas Kuhn

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 10:10:37 2013 No.3921608 >>3919768 I disagree. Sometimes he's horrible, and sometimes he's a stormcloud for your comfortable assumptions. Archive Fever is a great book. Lit crit. definitely got more interesting because of deconstruction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 10:17:37 2013 No.3921622 >>3921583 The interrogative mood of Socrates in Plato's dialogue + taxonomic impulse of Aristotle = at least one of the alphas of scientific inquiry. No scientific study begins without a question.

>>	Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw Tue Jul 9 10:33:37 2013 No.3921654 File: 62 KB, 839x512, kuhnsnsd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3921622 well yeah I guess that's near what Kuhn's on about

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 10:34:37 2013 No.3921657

>>3921421
>Nowadays no one understands science as a subset of Philosophy, come on.

True, but science only tells you how things are in a very narrow way, it says nothing about what we should value and do, how we should live and act. Besides the line between science and philosophy is still highly blurred.

Remember when Hawking said that philosophy was dead? He was doing philosophy at that moment. Very bad philosophy, but philosophy all the same

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 10:38:37 2013 No.3921659 >>3921507 This FFS. People ITT haven't 'grown out of' Philosophy. They've taken a philosophical stance. And thus stopped philosophizing- but the stance they took was philosophy.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 10:42:38 2013 No.3921664

>>3921654

Kuhn is NOT taken seriously in the philosophy of sciene. Neither are Popper, Lakatos, or Laudan.

NOBODY does theorys of scientific change anymore.

Stop thinking this tripe is thoughr provoking.

Read some fucking Carnap or Van Fraassen instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 10:43:38 2013 No.3921665 >>3921654 Also he is just restating Hume's problem of induction.

Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw Tue Jul 9 10:45:37 2013 No.3921668

>>3921664
lol you're trying to tell me Kuhn's outdated and you bring up Carnap of all people? give me a break.

also I really don't give a shit about what does and does not get taken seriously in the academy - that this is an arbiter of import is the prime example of the tripe that contemporary (analytic - but not just analytic) philosophy has become.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:26:37 2013 No.3921731

Philosophy is best served as a supplement. I do think those who loathe philosophy seem to think people believe it exists in a vacuum, where as it is largely far more intangibly linked to, well, everything.

I have a friend who hates philosophy. I think he sees it as nothing more than reading a book; that the words exist merely on the page rather concepts which permeate everything.

Of course, I don't deny that the study of philosophy is quite pointless in 20XX given that it won't get you anywhere alone. It's just not 'practical'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 11:33:38 2013 No.3921748 probably 12 or so. it was right after i tagged my first pussy, m8.

MrThrills !aAnvD.FqpM Tue Jul 9 12:37:38 2013 No.3921905

>>3921731
Finally! A post I can agree with!

Those who study philosophy in a vacuum are wasting their time, as it's useless unless used in conjunction with other disciplines. From my own experience, philosophy majors are walking echo chambers that do nothing but regurgitate the lectures and outlooks of their professors.

I'm friends with a number of English and Math majors, and those that read philosophy in their spare time (or use it in conjunction with their studies, in the case of English major studying theory) are really good at making different philosophical perspectives "come to life".

Personally, I don't think philosophy should be taught in schools or universities. Every individual is fully equipped to become a scholar on their own.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:40:37 2013 No.3921913 >>3921531 Stoned anybody lately?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:48:37 2013 No.3921930 >>3921921 Not him, but, well if he lives by the bible he endorses a whole lot of weird and cruel shit. But naturally we ignore those parts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:51:37 2013 No.3921935 >>3921930 Oh, another fedora adolescent who decides to ignorantly bypass the fact that the Bible is historically sequential. Go back to licking Sam Harris' asshole.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:54:37 2013 No.3921937 File: 109 KB, 464x888, what the bible says.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3921935 muh bible muh freedoms

>>	Anonymity Lost Tue Jul 9 12:55:37 2013 No.3921943 >>3919327 I grew out of "when did you grow out of..." threads when I was 19.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:58:37 2013 No.3921947 >>3921937 This makes me love Jesus even more. Haha.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 12:59:37 2013 No.3921948 >>3921937 Sickening levels of adolescent fedora detected in this sector.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:01:37 2013 No.3921950
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>>3921948

How come that's your only comeback to everything? Anyone who doubts or points out the flaws in the bible is a fedora-wearing adolescent loser? It's getting kind of stupid at this point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:02:37 2013 No.3921951 >>3921937 implying the last paragraph isn't full of great metaphors

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:02:37 2013 No.3921954 >>3921937 the jesus stuff is all actually quite reasonable. i suggest you look into it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:02:37 2013 No.3921955
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>>3921937

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him,

>Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

>On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

matt 22:36-40

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:05:52 2013 No.3921960

>>3921955

If a philosopher, Hegel or Russell or whatever, was this inconsistent in what he said and believed then no one would take him seriously and he would have no credibility. You can't say "love everyone" one day and "kill those who work on the sabbath" the next. That kind of invalidates the good stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:08:37 2013 No.3921963 >>3921950 >anyone who doubts or points out flaws in the bible but you're not doubting, you've already convinced yourself that you're correct. you're not pointing out flaws, you're ignoring context. have you ever spoken with a biblical scholar?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:09:37 2013 No.3921966 File: 957 KB, 500x418, constanza.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3921960 >jesus >philosopher

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:10:37 2013 No.3921967 >>3921963 You're moronic because you're applying an modernist epistemological regime to a pre-pre-pre modernist text. Bible doesn't even have a singular author, so why should we expect consistency. Please don't reproduce.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:12:37 2013 No.3921970

>>3921963

You haven't convinced yourself that you are right?
Have you ever doubted yourself? Because it doesn't sound like it. I'm not saying I'm correct but I'm definitely saying the bible is a bunch of nonsense which is blatantly wrong, and it's a bit of a cop-out to just say that everything is metaphorical. The bible is an interesting piece of literature but hardly anything you should use to back up your beliefs; it's not more 'right' than the Bhagavad Gita or The Quran or any other holy book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:14:38 2013 No.3921972 >>3921967 Wow, I fucked that post up royally, didn't I? Haha. It was meant for le edgy atheist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:15:38 2013 No.3921974 File: 2.68 MB, 249x250, smdh.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3921970 >I'm not saying I'm correct >but I'm definitely saying the bible is a bunch of nonsense which is blatantly wrong

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:16:38 2013 No.3921977
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>>3921972

But I get all confused here because a lot of christians say it's the word of god, and a lot of christians say it's all metaphorical, and a lot of christians say it's all real, and so on and so on.

As an outside observer who has been virtually free of religion since childhood, what the fuck am I supposed to say to all this? It's absurd, and any thinking being should recognise that.

Pic is another le edgy atheist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:19:37 2013 No.3921985 >>3921977 Would you do us all a favour and read some theory on history?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:19:37 2013 No.3921987 >>3921985 Sure, go ahead, what should I read?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:20:37 2013 No.3921988 >>3921977 Dude, do not listen to people. People are flawed. Read the Bible. Meditate on it. And find your own path, whatever it may be. If you put your eyes and your hopes on human, they'll deceive you, frustrate you, and break your heart.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:21:37 2013 No.3921991

>>3921974

I don't think you understand what I meant. I meant that I don't know what the truth is when it comes to god and worldviews and so on, but I definitely know that the bible, the quran and the holy books contain very little truth in them and is not where you should be looking for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:21:37 2013 No.3921992 >>3921987 Start with the debate between Descartes & the Port Royalists and Vico.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:21:37 2013 No.3921994 >>3921977 you should speak with an authority and arrive at your own conclusions. if you want to read russell thats fine, but you should also read aquinas. speak with a jesuit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:23:37 2013 No.3921997
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>>3921991
>I don't know what the truth is when it comes to god and worldviews and so on
>but I definitely know that the bible, the quran and the holy books contain very little truth in them

>i don't know
>but i definitely know

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:32:37 2013 No.3922017 File: 1005 KB, 351x263, B4Wsl.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3921991 Magnificent

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:39:37 2013 No.3922041 File: 171 KB, 548x618, 1365409493620.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3919337 >Atheists

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:42:37 2013 No.3922051

>>3919996
Why does it have to be the same questions, again and again?

This is a 1st year undergrad idea of how philosophy works. You are not proving the meaning of existence every day, philosophy is enquiry, in its broadest sense.

If there is any sense to be gleaned from the notion of "giving up on philosophy", it must be the idea of a person who has decided they already have discovered everything worth learning about the universe, and are content to continue in whatever vein they had so far adopted: an unexamined life from here on in.

Naturally, this tends to happen to people as they reach old age, though this is by no means a rule: keeping an active and interested mind is one of the best-proven keys to a longer, happier life.

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:50:37 2013 No.3922073

>>3921997
You are not a very intelligent person. I am not that anon, but let me try to help you out:

"I don't know where the best explanation of Gödel's incompleteness theorem is, but I am definitely sure it it is not in Tao Lin's new novel Taipei"

Or even closer:

"I don't know what the perfect, and that I mean most peaceful and universally acceptable solution to race issues across the globe may be, but I am definitely sure it is not to be found in Hitler's Mein Kampf"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 13:50:37 2013 No.3922074 I'm 21 and on the path to doing it professionally, i hope i'll never grow out of it. It's the best thing that ever happened to me (aside from booze).

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 14:02:37 2013 No.3922108

>>3919731
>tfw philosophy/pre-law major
>tfw listening to bleps talk about it
>tfw you realize the most popular "modern" philosophers are the ones with the best prose and most convoluted ideas

Good thing I won't have to make a living out of this shit since I won't become a scholar

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 14:04:37 2013 No.3922111 File: 26 KB, 600x450, cheshire.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3922073 but do you really know these things? or do you just believe them?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 14:10:37 2013 No.3922119 >>3919757 >that dead language pun

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 15:32:37 2013 No.3922256 >>3919327 I don't think I'll grow out of it; that would really surprise me.

>>	Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc Tue Jul 9 15:44:37 2013 No.3922277 Everything you do is philosophy.

>>	Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw Tue Jul 9 16:01:37 2013 No.3922320 File: 324 KB, 500x686, xtremelysexy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3922277 #woah #deep #mindfuck

Anonymous Tue Jul 9 17:53:38 2013 No.3922616

>>3920130
Clearly you've never tried 50% of sports if you think every sport is about rapid decision making.

You've totally missed what that guy you quoted meant by "athletic". In athletics, there's not much rapid decision making.
Same goes with many other sports such as running, rowing, weightlifting, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 9 22:02:35 2013 No.3923153 I would have said Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:28:37 2013 No.3925436 >>3921668 Kuhn isn't just outdated... His model for revolotion fails to explain the rise of molecular genetics. It is a bad model.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:36:37 2013 No.3925455 >>3925436 Feyerabend isn't outdated and his description has a high degree of explanatory power.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:37:37 2013 No.3925458 >>3920009 We all know why nobody replied to you. I'll do it anyway. Truth hurts so much =(

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:42:37 2013 No.3925463 >>3925455 His model is "anything goes." It isn't much of model at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:46:37 2013 No.3925471 lol op you retard i can't believe you actually bought into that shit up until you were 25. I realized when I was 17 that philosophy was all bullshit and hadn't progressed in 2000 years. I'm currently working on my 2nd phd in astrophysics.

Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:51:37 2013 No.3925485

>>3925463
It is accurate to the sociology of science, which is an empirical reality a sociology of science needs to hold itself against.

Scientists really don't like it because it demonstrates they're not even good inductors when it comes to actual practice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 17:59:37 2013 No.3925499 >if the internet is really infinite than how come everyone reads the same blogs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:08:38 2013 No.3925508 >muh sophistry

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:16:37 2013 No.3925530 >>3925471 What do you need two astrophysics PhDs for?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:17:37 2013 No.3925531 >>3925499 >if the jest is really infinite then how come everyone laughs at the same jokes?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:28:37 2013 No.3925567 >>3925530 witty, verry witty indeed

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:40:37 2013 No.3925596 >>3919742 Freely adapted from Wittgenstein: Philosophy is a disease of the mind

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:46:38 2013 No.3925611 >>3920001 i don't like people chanting happieness is the most important thing in the world. It is a lie, as is the more sophisticated hedonism, wich often leads to self-complacency and -righteousness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:46:38 2013 No.3925612 wow, first time visiting /lit/ in months and I already want to get the fuck out

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:47:38 2013 No.3925613 >>3925611 What's more important than happiness to you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 18:49:37 2013 No.3925621 Why is Marx in the OP's image? He was not really a 'philosopher' aside from a few expositions here and there.

Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:01:37 2013 No.3925657

>>3919681
No, Epicureanism in it's core is about living in peace, in the sense that one should avoid harm and live without fear. Many people interpret the whole philosophy as some carpe diem YOLO bullshit, when it's been said by Epicurus himself, that this is not his vita vista.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:11:37 2013 No.3925687 >>3925621 What I'm wondering is: who is the guy in the scarf? I see Socrates, Kant Sartre, Nietzsche, Marx and Foucault.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:12:37 2013 No.3925689 >>3919681 Nope, Epicurus is a negative hedonist. He's YOLO like the Lonely Island song.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:14:37 2013 No.3925692 File: 19 KB, 220x270, Michel Foucault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3925687

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:20:38 2013 No.3925705 >>3925621 You're confusing philosophy with idealism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:21:37 2013 No.3925708 >>3925687 The guy between Socrates and Sartre is Wittgenstein. I'm not sure who the guy with the ascot is though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:24:37 2013 No.3925717 >>3925708 Whoops yeah I definitely notice Witters. Ascot guy is vexing me though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:28:37 2013 No.3925730 >>3925717 >>3925708 >be matt groening >draw a picture of famous philosophers >draw in a random guy wearing an ascot >all the snobs on /lit/ scramble about in confusion as to who this guy is >many lelz had well played, matt. well played.

Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:30:37 2013 No.3925736

>How old were you when you grew out of philosophy?

I'll never stop questioning what I know, if I can know, and how best to know.

Giving up on philosophy basically amounts to admitting intellectual defeat to reality. It's-ironically in your case-the philosophical position that you can't know anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:31:37 2013 No.3925739 >>3925692 Homer Simpson really let himself go.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:32:37 2013 No.3925742 File: 45 KB, 402x402, Roland-Barthes-36995-1-402.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3925708 >>3925717

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:36:38 2013 No.3925749 Bravo, bravo! Barthes Simpson

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:37:38 2013 No.3925752 >>3925742 ah thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 10 19:43:38 2013 No.3925763 Philosophy has a road that doesn't promise an end, if you want instant gratification for 'knowledge' , philosophy is not for you.

Anonymous Wed Jul 10 20:22:38 2013 No.3925850
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>>3925742

Sure it isnt Louis Althusser?

>>3925621
Political Philosophy is a subfield of Philosophy as is Philosophy of Economics and Philosophy of History...

Have you even read Marx? He MAINLY is a philosopher of history. Do the words Historical Materialism mean anything to you?

Anonymous Wed Jul 10 20:25:38 2013 No.3925855

>>3925485

He cherry picked one episode from the history of science to make his point. N=1 does not a sociology of scientific practice make.

[spolier] it also ignores the role empirical observation and deduction plays when scientific change is seemingly lawful [/spoiler]

Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw Wed Jul 10 20:30:37 2013 No.3925868

>>3925850
if you'd read your Althusser you'd know that he's mainly a political economist and that his philosophy of history has to be forcibly (symptomally) extracted from that. I mean there's really nothing that explicitly philosophical in the mature Marx (which, again with Althusser, is the best Marx) except for a few Flecken here and there

Anonymous Wed Jul 10 20:53:37 2013 No.3925926

>>3925868

Why on earth are you being anachronistic?

Political economy did not exist as a discipline in Marx's time. He wrote his fucking dissertation on Hedonism and was fascinated by Hegelianism before he took up economics.

I bet you think that Newton was a scientist as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 01:58:36 2013 No.3926688 Growing out of philosophy.How pleb can you get. Damn /lit/ degenerates during the summer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 12:20:38 2013 No.3927650 >>3925613 nothing, but just because i deny than some things are more important than others. in other terms: there are no universal values

>>	Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw Thu Jul 11 12:27:37 2013 No.3927660 >>3925926 >Political economy did not exist as a discipline in Marx's time lol ur kidding right.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 12:59:37 2013 No.3927704 >>3919337 >>3922041 Edgy theists detected

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 14:15:37 2013 No.3927832 >>3927660 yeah, realized my mistake. I retract my accusation of anachronism. Still, my point that he derived his economic theories from moral philosophy and a Helgelian philosophy of history stands... depsite what Althusser claims.

Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw Thu Jul 11 15:10:31 2013 No.3927943

>>3927832
>he derived his economic theories from moral philosophy and a Helgelian philosophy of history stands

okay I can roll to an extent with the whole 'Marxism is a river fed by threes rivers' (British political economy, Hegelian philosophy, French Utopian socialism), with of course the reservation that each influence is an alteration (which, of course, Althusser will grant, cf. "Contradiction and Overdetermination" for the Hegelian stream), but moral philosophy? The advance of Marx over the French utopian socialists is that he derived his economic theories from economic reality, not its juxtaposition with ethical precepts. Morality is virtually absent from the mature Marx - the point is not that capitalism is unjust, but that it contains in its structure certain contradictions etc. etc.

like let me give you a footnote from Capital:
'Proudhon begins by taking his ideal of justice, of “justice éternelle”, from the juridical relations that correspond to the production of commodities. […] Then he turns round and seeks to reform the actual production of commodities, and the actual legal system corresponding thereto, in accordance with this ideal. What opinion should we have of a chemist, who, instead of studying the actual laws of the molecular changes in the composition and decomposition of matter, and on that foundation solving definite problems, claimed to regulate the composition and decomposition of matter by means of the “eternal ideas,” of “naturalité” and “affinité”? Do we really know any more about “usury” when we say it contradicts “justice éternelle,” “équite éternelle,” “mutualité éternelle” […] ?'

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 15:33:57 2013 No.3927988 >>3919678 go back to /mu/

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 17:01:57 2013 No.3928193

>>3919350
most of the people you meet doing philosophy in uni are people who just wanted to get into the school with a major that accepted many applicants. some others are just pretentious fedora-wearing douchebags who like the sound of their own voice when they 'debate.' find those who do philosophy that don't know what to do with their lives and are trying to find meaning in their existence and futures. those that are genuinely seeking questions and answers. i've met a few of them in my philosophy department.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 17:12:57 2013 No.3928224 >>3920273 >assuming science has all the answers. It doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 18:52:57 2013 No.3928425 File: 121 KB, 818x1024, bertrand-russell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3919362 Russell?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 11 19:22:57 2013 No.3928486 File: 428 KB, 500x322, 1339959148313.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3922074 >professionally Elaborate.

Anonymous Thu Jul 11 19:45:57 2013 No.3928551

>>3919327
I'm 18 going to start a philosophy degree in september. Hopefully my course won't be full of the cliche philosophy students that are arrogant and pretentious.
However i don't think i will ever grow out of philosophy. It is so broad and has so many applications through life, but i'm only 18 so what do i know.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 12 13:02:57 2013 No.3930633 >>3928551 >applications through life you mean eastern and greek 'wisdom'? cause philosophy derailed the greeks from the path, which the indians followed and to this day we're still suffering this mistake.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 12 13:11:57 2013 No.3930657 >>3919327 I think... twenty-four. Getting into a career helped. Tending to my garden or some nonsense.

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