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3878431 No.3878431 [Reply] [Original]

Is it just me, or are existentialists just weird and somewhat pretentious?

>> No.3878435

>>3878431
No.

>> No.3878440

Are you talking about teenagers who call themselves existentialists or people who actually published philosophy? Most philosophers on a personal level could probably be described as weird and somewhat pretentious.

>> No.3878443

>>3878440
Actual philosophers, not the tumblr douchebags.

>> No.3878446
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3878446

I'm an existintialist and FUCK YoU

>> No.3878454

>>3878446
And fuck you too!

>> No.3878456
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3878456

"Cops must be unleashed, and allowed to administer instant punishment . . . unleash the cops to clear the streets of bums and vagrants." -- Murray Rothbard.

>> No.3878457

>>3878431
Some context to the OP's choice of pic:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws

You're welcome.

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3878461

Age is just a number!

>> No.3878465

To answer the OP: it really depends on what you're looking for. Who have you read so far?

>> No.3878467

Existentialism is basically a whole philosophy of 'Enlightened by my own intelligence, not some phony god's blessings, in this moment I am euphoric.'

>> No.3878473

>>3878467
Sounds vaguely Nietzschean

>> No.3878475

>>3878467
I love being euphoric.

>> No.3878484

>>3878467
I doubt few people here, and in the western world, actually disagree with the essence of that quote -- or existentialism and its derivatives. It's just that the guy was being a total fedora about it, thinking he's hot shit for being atheist.

>> No.3878499

Isn't being "an existentialist" just realizing that life is meaningless except for whatever meaning you give it?

I guess if you tell everyone about it like it's a new idea it can be pretty pretentious. I think it's just called being a normal common sensical person living in modern times.

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>>3878457
In 1980 Semiotext(e) published a special journal issue on child sexuality which included interviews with Foucault, gay activist Guy Hocquenghem, and NAMBLA founder David Thorstad. You can imagine what kind of shitstorm would be created if something similar was published today.

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>>3878484
>western world
>secular
choi choi choi ha chachacha aahchacha

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>>3878502
>The issue was seized and destroyed by the police and banned by de Gaulle. Guattari was fined 600 francs.
There was enough of a shitstorm in that era, I think, but nowadays I think we'd just develop a new French-people-as-pedophiles stereotype.

captcha; futputo french

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3878510

>>3878499
>I guess if you tell everyone about it like it's a new idea it can be pretty pretentious. I think it's just called being a normal common sensical person living in modern times.

Most people undergo a phase where they do this before they become "normal common sensical person living in modern times". That's why everyone goes into "shut up and get over it" mode every time some kid brings this newfound knowledge up.

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3878513

>>3878431
>dat pic

>> No.3878518

>>3878431
>>3878457
>>3878502
>>3878509

So why are so many French philosophers hellbent on fucking kids?

>> No.3878541

>>3878518
Because they've fucked everything else and because they, unlike the Germans, seem to have a problem with just doing it in secret.

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3878555

>>3878541
You know it!

>> No.3878585

It's official.

/lit/ has become /b/.

Please stop.

>> No.3878600

>>3878585
Not even close.

>> No.3878605

>>3878510
Actually there a vast swaths of modern people who never have and never will have an existential period in their life.

>> No.3878610

>>3878605
Tumblr says otherwise.

>> No.3878626

>>3878610
That's why I don't go there.

>> No.3878738

>>3878461
You -------> /b/

>> No.3878773

>>3878610
>using tumblr to judge humanity
Reevaluate your life.

>> No.3878791

>>3878773
No, using tumblr to judge the youth of today.

>> No.3878806

Daily reminder that philosophers are depraved marxist faggots seeking to destroy the family unit so that they can make you their slaves and your children their fucktoys.

>> No.3878820

>>3878806
Alas if only that were true.

>> No.3878836

>>3878806

you forgot zionist pigs

>>3878820

wake up sheeple

>> No.3878863

>>3878806
>Conveniently leaves out that postmodernism is opposed to marxism.

>> No.3878881

>>3878504
The thinking part of it pretty much is.

>> No.3878891

>>3878863
Post-modernism is derived from marxism, idiot.

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3878906

>>3878738
True. There's enough loli on those boards for him to fap for hours.

>> No.3878916

>>3878891
no

>> No.3878920

>>3878916
Can you explain how it isn't or rather from what it is derived, specifically?

For my part, I think of post-modernism as derived from modernism, surrealism, existentialism, marxism, and more or less any intellectual movement of the 20C PLUS any odd intellectual movement from any time or place ever, since PM is ostentatiously eclectic.

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3878965

>>3878431
>mfw pedobear

>> No.3879081

>>3878881
What do you mean?

>> No.3879096

>>3878916
>>3878920
Who cares? Both ideologies are pure leftist faggotry.

>> No.3879157

>>3878461
Tell that to the cops.

>> No.3879335

>>3878431

Is it just me, or does no one in this fucking board know what "pretentious" means?

>> No.3879365

Dude, the majority of this board is pretentious.

>> No.3879370

>>3879335
I stopped correcting people on their use of "pretentious" here a long time ago. There are fits and starts like yours against the dumbshits though. I don't think you can educate a board so I don't bother anymore.

>> No.3879374

>>3879335
Most people don't know what pretentious means.

>> No.3879381

>>3879335
I generally take it to mean displays of erudition for its own sake, obscurantism and affectations of some superior taste or discrimination. Snobbish elitism, that sort of thing?

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3879411

>>3879365
>>3879374

>> No.3879419

>>3879335
I think of pretentiousness as as elitism/snobbery without much to back it up. If you are judgmental of the literary tastes of others and use lots of rare words, you are an elitist if you actually read and understand good books and know how to use the words you are using properly, and you are pretentious if you do not. I suppose if you're using needlessly high language in a circumstance in which those around you almost certainly won't understand, that's pretty pretentious, too...

A girl in my college's mandatory freshman year writing program (lyl) referred to herself as an existentialist, which made me cringe a bit, but I figured, at least she didn't call herself a postmodernist.

>> No.3879424

probably seems pretentious if you don't study it yourself. that's how we are with most things. it's all about assuring our fragile egos that we know everything that we assume is worth knowing.

>> No.3879427

>>3879424
Stop using big words you pretentious fuck.

Gosh.

>> No.3879443

>>3879424
You -----> reddit

>> No.3879451

>>3879427
Your use of the word "gosh" is just pretentious.

>> No.3879470

>>3879451
Writing a sentence is pretentious in itself.

>> No.3879467

>>3879419
I sort of see what you mean, but i think really what's being "pretended to" is not knowledge or understanding, but respect and deference. The pretentious are pretending to an assumed dignity or that their talents or accomplishments might be asssumed to make perquisite.

Often any ostentatious displays of erudition are accompanied by the subtle implication that the person making the display should be rspected or given preference in someway. What's being pretended then is status.

Basically elitism and snobbery are at least character flaws and at worst, arrogance and discourtesy, regardless of whether anything does (or in fact could) justify them.

Basically be polite, and if you consider your offereings superior, don't expect to insist on acknowledgement, or disparage the couth of those who fail, for some reason, to discern your sophistication.

>> No.3879512

pretension is no longer a meaningful insult
it just seems anti-intellectual
we can be awfully pedantic
>>3878440
a lot of actually published philosophers have somewhat fragile psyches and create this [false] and unnecessary distinction
>>3878499
to my understanding Existentialism just means approaching philosophy from a point of radical subjectivity it doesn't [necessarily] imply meaninglessness or meaning
this does however make most of us "weird" and somewhat eccentric
>>3879335
they don't.
a partial explanation for the so-called "elitism" is that it is simply of practical necessity

>If the postdialectic paradigm of reality holds, we have to choose between dialectic situationism and patriarchial capitalism. The subject is interpolated into a postdialectic paradigm of reality that includes reality as a whole.

It could be said that Foucault uses the term 'the deconstructivist paradigm of expression' to denote a subtextual reality.

>> No.3879525

>>3879512
if he invokes a subtextual reality though, he voids his main argument, since he's already made it inclusive within the paradigm along with the rest of reality. By manifesting a superset he can no longer alter conditions within the set from within the set wthout altering the conditions that create the examples themselves, unless he's using some sort of reverse causality here. Also, the green text quote has to be outside that assertion, snce you can't make a dichotomy where one side includes the other side. It's just corollary then.

>> No.3879542

>>3879525
both of the last two lines are supposed to be greentext'd
I don't think he's trying to create a dichotomy
namely the term post-dialectic
It goes to say something like
-you- exist within the world and these are the conditions, if you don't like them than -you- can deconstruct or whatever, but you can't do it from the "outside" since -you- exist within the world and these are the conditions
??

>> No.3879575

>>3879542
that makes a little more sense. basically the same thing I said.

>> No.3880394

>>3879443
No.

>> No.3880855

>>3879512
>If the postdialectic paradigm of reality holds, we have to choose between dialectic situationism and patriarchial capitalism. The subject is interpolated into a postdialectic paradigm of reality that includes reality as a whole.

Can you explain this in simple English please?

>> No.3881014

>>3879512
>Foucault

You ----> tumblr

>> No.3881041

>>3879575
I guess I don't understand why it voids his argument?
> By manifesting a superset he can no longer alter conditions within the set from within the set wthout altering the conditions that create the examples themselves,
Its not as if human interactions function in the exact manner that logical matrices would.?
to reducto ad, if your statement is true than we would still be living under the monarchy,?
>>3880855
Leftists use big words to not get fired from universities

>> No.3881098

>>3878431
Are you implying that existentialists are pedos?

>> No.3881213

>>3881098
By the looks of it, OP is implying that de Beauvoir and Sartre were pedos, which they were.

>> No.3881225

>>3881213
FYI, the image appears to have come from this tumblr:

http://longlivemugabe.tumblr.com/post/53452788460

>> No.3881375

existentialism
objectivism

same premise, different interpretation entirely
which means french existentialism was just a scholarly fad that wasn't found outside of paris

>> No.3881388

>>3881375
false.
I'm a Sartrean existentialist, I don't live in Paris. also, Derrida, Foucault, Althusser etc. still popular still discussed
Objectivism is only popular on the internet because internet-libertarians
besides why not go for legit Egoism and take up Stirner?

>> No.3881397

>>3881388
>I'm a Sartrean existentialist

Are you offended by the OP?

Also, is it accurate?

>> No.3881434
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3881434

People need to read this so they can shut the fuck up about authenticity and existentialism. Had Kierkegaard or Nietzsche lived long enough to hear this talk of the "authentic life" they would have chocked a bitch after witnessing all the hypocricy and pretentiousness of the latter existentialists.

>> No.3881436

>>3881397
no, just clarifying/ clarified
aside
>>3881375
Objectivism is actually definitively pretentious
some Existentialist are some aren't

>> No.3881463

>>3881397
>Also, is it accurate?

sex with teens =/= pedophilia

wanting to abolish the AoC =/= pedophilia

So, no.

>> No.3881464

>>3881434
Fuck off commie.

>> No.3881466

>>3881397
I haven't read the biography it references
but I assume its somewhat sensationalized
anyways its not in his philosophy

>> No.3881473

>>3881434
>Kierkegaard

Who cares how he would have reacted? It's fuckin' Kierkegaard.

>> No.3881586

>>3881473
yeah what do the danes know?

>> No.3881588

>>3881434

got an awesome hardcover of this in japan, will read soon.

>> No.3881768

>>3881588
Why?

>> No.3881798

>>3878431

Admittedly, even those who like Sartre think he went full retard late in his life.

>> No.3881831

>>3879467
>"ostentatious displays of erudition" is an ostentatious display of erudition.

That said I agree with you, carry on.

>> No.3883070

>>3881831
>ostentatious
There is a book written around that word.
Its called Warbreaker by Brandon Sanderson

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3883084

>>3878431
It's good for picking up intellectual chicks. Tell her you are existentialist deep inside and she is all yours. At least here in Europe.
But really, one writer said: "Existentialism is not a philosophy, it is a fact."
I agree with that.

>> No.3883157

>>3878605
claim: there is a large amount of people who never have had and never will have an existential period in their life
>>3878610
claim: the large (but still relatively small amount compared to every person on earth) amount of tumblrs that deal with existentialist periods (again, not nearly all of them) disproves the above claim

>ISHYGDDT

>> No.3883227

>>3878806
Glad to know

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>>3881464

>> No.3885373

>>3881798
I'm not surprised.

>> No.3885513

>>3878510
Man, it's pronounced Neet-chay.

>> No.3885781

>>3883084
>It's good for picking up intellectual chicks.

I take it it's also good for picking up underage chicks, no?

>> No.3886411

>>3885781
Let's not go there...
>>3878431
You too, OP.

>> No.3886675

>>3885513
That's not correct.

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>>3885513
Holy shit, I remember that episode. Only time I was disappointed with the writers of The Sopranos. Here they write this six season drama which touches concepts of morality and philosophy, yet nobody on the set can properly pronounce Nietzsche (neecher.) Made me sad and seriously question the credibility of the writers and merit of the series, it's such a little thing but I don't know. I get your reference though.

>> No.3886742

>>3886713
So that's one reason for me to never watch it.

Though I'm pretty bad at pronouncing too, with German and Dutch being the sole exceptions.

>> No.3886746

>>3886742
Not saying people shouldn't watch it. I think it's wonderfully written and the actors are great. I'm just quibbling about insignificance.

>> No.3887051

>>3878541
Is it just me, or are the French fucked up enough as it is?

>> No.3887081

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weOwAPP1_xM

Implying it's not a joke.

>> No.3887084

>>3887081
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgc9Gq4xzVs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrPIO53cWMY

>implying it's not great.

>> No.3887565

>>3887084
Meh.

>> No.3887581

>>3887081
>>3887084

gold.