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3875535 No.3875535 [Reply] [Original]

So I´m reading "thus spoke zarathustra" by this nigger and I am finding it unimpressive, what are the best books by this guy that don´t sound like bullshit?

>> No.3875537

How does one make bullshit not sound like bullshit?

This is truly a skill to master.

>> No.3875554

beyond good and ewil is de-bullshitted zarathustra just for that purpose

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3875562

>>3875537
>How does one make bullshit not sound like bullshit?

Give it a Shakespearean title.

>> No.3875578

>>3875554

>beyond good and evil

This one OP, and maybe Human, All Too Human

and Genealogy of Morals

and The Joyous Learning.

Zarathustra is supposed to be a philosophical novel really, like Sartre's Nausea.

(At least IIRC early) Nietzsche actually question the distinction between truth and illusion in "On Truth and Lies in Non-Moral Sense". He said that the truth is none other than the illusion explicated convincingly, because of lolnoumenon, hence just as there are many myths, there are also many truths in the world.

>> No.3875581

>>3875578
>The Joyous Learning
>Learning

ugh. It's "Wissenschaft" for a reason.

>> No.3875582

>>3875562
Well played, monsieur.

>> No.3875588

>>3875578
Genealogy of morals is probably the best one.

But if any Nietzsche sounds like bullshit to you it's either because you know nothing of xix century german culture or you are a positivist.

Nietzsche, today, cannot be read directly anymore. It's like the divine comedy: the cultural gap is too large to be abridged by the casual reader.

>> No.3875596

>>3875581

All right. "The Gay Science" for you. "Die fröhliche Wissenschaft" all right all right

>>3875588

>But if any Nietzsche sounds like bullshit to you it's either because you know nothing of xix century german culture or you are a positivist.

Are you responding to OP?

>> No.3875604

>>3875596
Yes I was responding to op.

>> No.3875606

>>3875596
it doesn't even have to be gay. it can be joyous or whatever but it seems perverse to throw out "science" since its the obvious correlate to Wissenschaft, even though Wissenschaft in German means something a bit broader than science in English. I recall Nietzsche having remarked somewhere that he was inspired by the Provencal "gaia scienza"

but I'm just being nitpicky. carry on.

>> No.3875613

>>3875606

I was irritated because you're right, actually. I hate you for correcting me, and I love you.

Wissenschaft really is a broad term. Can you...elaborate more? Don't stop.

>> No.3875622

>>3875613
we take science to denote, specifically, the mathematical sciences (and what aspires to be like them), whereas in German, much more so historically (i.e. when Nietzsche was writing), however, it means something more like any rational, systematic means of acquiring knowledge. For example Kant talks about the possibility of aesthetics as a "schoene Wissenschaft", etc.

>> No.3875641

>>3875622

Got that. those Germans.

>> No.3875738

>>3875554
This.

>> No.3876057

>>3875535

'Genealogy of Morality' if you're looking for something with a more scientific touch. Also 'Human, All Too Human' and 'Beyond Good And Evil'.

>> No.3876062

>>3875562
>>3875537

> lel so patrishian
> nietzche is for blebs kek
> im so originel
> enlightened

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>>3875578
Lol, don't you mean 'the gay science'?

>> No.3876070

I remember a literature teacher at university telling us that Zarathustra was Nietzsche's weakest work. Back then, everyone thought it was his best, so I was startled.

He's probably right though. This book is like a silly poem and if you dare understand what it says, people will call you a fascist and explain that it's "just a metaphor".

What's impressive, if not the book, is how the academy has managed to convince anyone that nothing was fascistic in Nietzsche when his very words scream otherwise. The man was a known enemy of democracy and he believed in the stronger ones of us being in charge, not the average, not the majority. You can't deny this much.

>> No.3876081

>>3876070
Ofcourse it's fascistic.
But the nazism is debatable.

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>>3875535
Existentialists usually suck. Don't bother.

>> No.3876122

>>3875641
Hey, don't diss us all!

>> No.3876598

>>3876070
His Übermensch isn´t necessarily german and he doesn´t support authoritarian or totalitarian states. I would say that he prefers aristocracy
>>3876081

>> No.3876763

Nietzsche was a fag

>> No.3876770

>>3876070
The Übermensch and the anarchists[edit]

The thought of Nietzsche had an important influence in anarchist authors (see Anarchism and Friedrich Nietzsche). Spencer Sunshine writes that "There were many things that drew anarchists to Nietzsche: his hatred of the state; his disgust for the mindless social behavior of 'herds'; his anti-Christianity; his distrust of the effect of both the market and the State on cultural production; his desire for an 'overman' — that is, for a new human who was to be neither master nor slave; his praise of the ecstatic and creative self, with the artist as his prototype, who could say, 'Yes' to the self-creation of a new world on the basis of nothing; and his forwarding of the 'transvaluation of values' as source of change, as opposed to a Marxist conception of class struggle and the dialectic of a linear history."[18] The influential American anarchist Emma Goldman in her famous collection of essays Anarchism and Other Essays in the preface passionately defends both Nietzsche and Max Stirner from attacks within anarchism when she says "The most disheartening tendency common among readers is to tear out one sentence from a work, as a criterion of the writer's ideas or personality. Friedrich Nietzsche, for instance, is decried as a hater of the weak because he believed in the Übermensch. It does not occur to the shallow interpreters of that giant mind that this vision of the Übermensch also called for a state of society which will not give birth to a race of weaklings and slaves."[19]

>> No.3876768

>>3876070
The Übermensch and the Nazis[edit]

The term Übermensch was used frequently by Hitler and the Nazi regime to describe their idea of an Aryan master race;[13] a form of Nietzsche's Übermensch became a philosophical foundation for the National Socialist ideas. Their conception of the Übermensch, however, was racial in nature.[14][15] The Nazi notion of the master race also spawned the idea of "inferior humans" (Untermenschen) which could be dominated and enslaved; this term does not originate with Nietzsche. Nietzsche himself was critical of both antisemitism and German nationalism. In defiance of these doctrines, he claimed that himself and Germany were great only because of "Polish blood in their veins",[16] and that he would be "having all anti-semites shot" as an answer to his stance on anti-semitism.[17] Nietzsche also was one of the earliest intellectuals to call racism a hoax.[13]

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>>3876768
>>3876770
so basically what you can see happened
was that Heidegger, having already written some books, was like "oh i'm really smart,
yep. totally gonna try and take over the world"

>> No.3876914

>>3875535
>what are the best books by this guy that don´t sound like bullshit
those that don't exist
he typically appeals to shallow and or young minds

>> No.3876932

>>3876914
>shallow
If Nietzsche is shallow to you, who is deep? Seriously. List some names.

>> No.3877940

>>3876090
>>3876799
>/thread