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3870178 No.3870178[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Is Shakespeare gay?

Because I'm not even halfway done through these sonnets and they're already the gayest, most romantic, most saucy things I have ever read.

>> No.3870180

>>3870178
Shakespeare's sonnets are bisexual. We cannot know the author, as he is dead.

>> No.3870198

>>3870178

He was either bisexual, or just really appreciative of male beauty.

>> No.3870200

>>3870180

Using your logic they are 'undefined' and not bisexual. How do you know he wasn't asexual?

>> No.3870202

>>3870200

well he had some children

>> No.3870203

>>3870200
I didn't say anything about "him," I said his sonnets were bisexual. My claims were restricted to the texts.

Up your reading comprehension.

>> No.3870205

AM I THE ONLY FUCKER WHO THINKS SHAKESPEARE WAS ADDRESSING HIS OWN SELF AND REFLECTION IN THE FIRST 100 OR SO SONNETS?

>> No.3870210

>>3870205

That would be really weird seeing as he rails against self love a lot. And with how submissive and meek the speaker in the sonnets is. Definitely the bottom in the relationship.

>> No.3870218

and mod will delete this in 3, 2, 1

>> No.3870238

Yes, he was a happy little camper by all accounts.

>> No.3870396

Who knows? It's fun to toss around questions like that, but judging by other writings in that time period, men were simply more openly affectionate towards each other than they are in our more homophobic society.

No, he wasn't.

>> No.3870417

>>3870396
What about Sonnet 155, "Pierce my buttocks with your ruddy cock..." then?

>> No.3870428

>>3870417

what about it[/spoiler)

>> No.3870433

>>3870428
Suit you sailor

>> No.3870465

>>3870417
>>3870428
>>3870433
>>3870178
>>3870396

He wrote his sonnets on commission - there are a number of 'gay' sonnets which were written for that purpose. He didn't write sonnets for no reason - like his plays they were commercial.

>> No.3870491

>>3870178
he's a woman

>> No.3870494

>>3870417
I haven't laughed in 15 years. Damn you.

>> No.3870505

>>3870465

Citation? I have never heard this before.

>> No.3870509

>>3870465
>Gay for pay isn't gay

>> No.3870536

This is bullshit. The long poems and the sonnets were written as poetry was... Written, then printed with a dedication, then hopefully sold.

Don't confuse the author with the speaking persona of the sonnets. Yes, the sonneteer is a poet named Will, but the speaking to the young man and the interactions with the Lady are almost certainly fictional. There's a sense that the sonnets reflect something more genuine and authentic of Shakespeare's inner self, but the narrative arc of the sequence is not real.