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/lit/, what generally is the difference between young adult fiction and literature? Are they not mutually exclusive?

The reason I ask is because im working on my first long term project, and the characters are freshmen at college. If it deals with coming of age and all of that, is it young adult fiction and cant be literature?

>> No.3820335

Young adult fiction can be literature, but rarely is.

>> No.3820462

>>3820335

Case in point His Dark Materials and Narnia.

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>>3820335
Why is it rarely literature? I dont read much young adult fiction, I think, so im not sure what its supposed to consist of.

>> No.3820521

posted this the other night

Tatami Galaxy is severely overrated, people always post it here thinking it's so literary and appropriate. It's nice and I enjoyed it but I hate seeing it "name"dropped on /lit/ via pic dumps of every OP asking a dumb question, making it obvious its the most cultured thing they've ever been exposed to.

>> No.3820528

>>3820521
Also no OP, look up "genre fiction", you don't understand it.
Something would be considering youth fiction if emobied certain key tropes and cliches, something more specific and trite than a coming of age, bildungsroman, which is fairly universal cultural concept that could be applied to be many things beyond the literal cultural transformation from adolescent to adult though it's not necessary to transcend the consumer market of someone between adolescent and adult.
And genre fiction is literature.

>> No.3820570

>>3820521
No, it's probably just one guy who uses it as an avatar of sorts.

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>>3820521
Same guy from last time, again I just post it because it looks nice. Chill
>>3820570
As far as I can tell, im that guy that posts tatami on /lit/, but I dont mean to use it as an avatar, these are just the nicest pics I have to post on an imageboard
>>3820528
thanks for clearing that up, what are some of the tropes of young adult fiction?

>> No.3820887

>>3820316
idk about young adult but judging by your posts nothing you write can be literature.

>> No.3820889

>>3820521

Ooooo, I see we've arrived at the point where TTG spills over from "under-appreciated masterpiece" to "over-rated hipster crap".

>> No.3820919

Literature is anything written, whether to inform, educate, entertain, mislead, convince, enlighten whatever.

Anybody that tries to draw a line around one bit and call it "real" or "classic" or "significant" is a moron, and thew worst ones are the ones that say "this is literature, that's juvenile, or pulp, or genre, or whatever" Guys like that could have every degree, pass every test with the highest grade and win the nobel prize, and they'd still be the stupidest faggots on earth.

Because they're guessing. They'r being arbitrary, and they're trying to foist theor subjective, peurile and often plain mean-spirited concepts on others as fact.

They're either trying to make themselves seem smarter, others to seem stupider (or less "cultured" or whatever), create a clique, or wilfully mislead. Basically, pay them the same attention you would a middle scholl girl who's telling you that other girl isn't cool.

Yes, young adult books are literature. So are matchbook covers. It's not a title of honor, it's a statement of condition.

>> No.3820941

>>3820889
The Tatami Galaxy, Endless Eight for hipster faggots.

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>>3820887
Probably
>>3820889
Seems that way
>>3820919
Thanks for clearing that up
>>3820941
Dont be mad cus you aint stylin

>> No.3822026

>>3820521

>using overrated as an argument

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>>3822026
>>3820889
You completely misunderstood my post, it definitely was blunt and unclear, but I don't think it's worth the effort to clarify and elaborate, so I won't, unless someone asks me to.

>>3820866
>what are some of the tropes of young adult fiction?

I told you to look up genre fiction. Wikipedia
>Genre fiction is generally distinguished from literary fiction. Screenwriting teacher Robert McKee defines genre conventions as the "specific settings, roles, events, and values that define individual genres and their subgenres."[2] These conventions, always fluid, are usually implicit, but sometimes are made into explicit requirements by publishers of fiction as a guide to authors seeking publication. There is no consensus as to exactly what the conventions of any genre are, or even what the genres themselves are; assigning of works to genres is to some extent arbitrary and subjective.
>Genre fiction is often dismissed by literary critics as being pure escapism, cliched, and of poor quality prose.

So the tropes of youth fiction are largely subjective, so do a bit of research and find analysis or studies on the genre, or look at works placed under the banner yourself and develop your own intuitive understanding of what it includes. It's largely intuitive, for the people categorizing them (which includes anyone from criticism to marketing to stockists) as well as the individual. Note that they're not totally arbitrary, it says "to an extent", they serve a purpose. You'll want to ignore this post, he is an idiot. He is strawmanning, discussing a, very stupidly misinterpreted, caricature >>3820919

Would also recommend looking up "coming-of-age" and "bildungsroman". Wikipedia is fine, just for a basic description, literary history and context.