/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.3792774]

/lit/,

I'm feeling a bit disgruntled today and I need some acerbic wit, delicious cynicism and general slandering of humanity to cheer me up. Preferably fiction. Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.3792776]

Read some Celine. Journey to the End of the Night is a /lit/ favorite.

[Anonymous No.3792783]

I don't understand this at all. When I am feeling down I look for humanity fuck yeah threads on /tg/ to cheer me up.

[Anonymous No.3792788]

A Confederacy of Dunces

[Anonymous No.3792835]

>>3792776
Already read it, it's great. Thanks though.

>>3792788
Will read, been meaning to for a while but forgot about it.

>>3792783
Those kind of things tend to piss me off even more since they strike me as dishonest and naive in such moods. A nice, apt and succinct load of bile can really make me laugh under such circumstances though. Schopenhauer's pithy dismissals of the whole human rapefest work wonders for my mood, for example.

[Anonymous No.3792866]

The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

[Anonymous No.3792867]

also Schopenhauer, Cioran, Zapffe

[Anonymous No.3792870]

>>3792835
>Those kind of things tend to piss me off even more since they strike me as dishonest and naive in such moods.

Misanthropy is very dishonest and naive.

[Anonymous No.3792873]

misanthropy is the most atrocious of human vanities.

[Anonymous No.3792876]

>>3792870
Please explain. No unfounded deontology attaching adulthood and/or manhood to being a good citizen please.

[Anonymous No.3792883]

>misanthropy is bad bcuz dats my opinion
This is your way of convincing anyone? You cunts are brazenly dumb.

[Anonymous No.3792885]

Have you read his material before?
http://maddox.xmission.com/

[Anonymous No.3792887]

>>3792876
Misanthropes mistakenly think that they are in a position to judge the human race.
They often criticize humanity in general as though they themselves are above humanity and above their own criticisms.
They think that their obsession with the most morbid elements of humanity means that humanity itself is morbid throughout.

Most of all though, it's this
>>3792873
It's vanity. Misanthropy is vanity of the most ugly kind. It comes out of a feeling of being superior to all the rest of the human race. Misanthropes are people that can't stand anybody but themselves, and even when they criticize themselves they are in love with themselves for being so high as to pass such judgements.

[Anonymous No.3792890]

>>3792885
give us a wrap up, i aint reading all dat shit for nuthin

[Anonymous No.3792891]

>>3792887
>Misanthropes mistakenly think that they are in a position to judge the human race.

[Anonymous No.3792897]

>>3792887
>They often criticize humanity in general as though they themselves are above humanity and above their own criticisms.
A scientist is wrong about the climate change because he beats his wife. Makes sense.
>They think that their obsession with the most morbid elements of humanity means that humanity itself is morbid throughout.
'Your opinion is invalid' bcuz I say so.

Opinions cannot be 'wrong' you retard.

[Anonymous No.3792898]

>>3792890
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=math
ok an excerpt from a page titled : "Math doesn't suck, you do."

" Sucking at math is like sucking at cooking. I'm tired of eating shitty food because you're too much of a dipshit to follow a recipe. Also, I'm tired of hearing people brag about how they can't cook like it's some kind of badge of honor. It's like a race to the bottom with you people. I always hear people one-upping each other about how inept they are at cooking. If you don't know how to chop up a few carrots to make a decent soup, take your life.

Math is exactly like cooking: just follow the recipe. Symbols look confusing? Can't figure out how to solve a problem? All I hear is, "Waaah! Boo-hoo! I didn't read the introduction to the chapter that tells me exactly how to solve this generic category of problems!" "

[Anonymous No.3792901]

>>3792897
I didn't say their opinions were wrong, as said they were dishonest.

Also, they are wrong.

[Anonymous No.3792902]

"The Last Psychiatrist" is also a fun read

"For no reason I know, works of philosophy are compromised by even a typo in the introduction, but in science you can open with a golden shower anecdote and no one notices. Oh well. To the experiments."

White people think black people are dirty - http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/11/white_people_think_black_peopl.html

[Anonymous No.3792907]

>>3792887
>Misanthropes mistakenly think that they are in a position to judge the human race.
They are. Unless you're going for the whole 'u can't judge anythink ever muh pyrrho' approach.

>They often criticize humanity in general as though they themselves are above humanity and above their own criticisms.
One can criticize humanity as a whole and still value certain individuals including oneself. One can also hate humanity including oneself.

>They think that their obsession with the most morbid elements of humanity means that humanity itself is morbid throughout.
This is an objection to every opinion and value judgement there is. Again, only valid if you go full Pyrrho.

>It's vanity. Misanthropy is vanity of the most ugly kind. It comes out of a feeling of being superior to all the rest of the human race.
It doesn't have to. Then again, an opinion being self-serving doesn't dismiss it.

>Misanthropes are people that can't stand anybody but themselves, and even when they criticize themselves they are in love with themselves for being so high as to pass such judgements.
Your whole objection seems based on unspoken religious ideals of humility as inherently virtuous and it's completely based on the assumption that a misanthrope conceptually distances himself from humanity. If I don't do that, do you have any objections left?

[Anonymous No.3792911]

>>3792902
I've always had the idea that black people bathe and shower almost compulsively throughout the day.

[Anonymous No.3792921]

>>3792907
>If I don't do that, do you have any objections left?
no

[Anonymous No.3792928]

>>3792901
>I didn't say their opinions were wrong, as said they were dishonest.
A scientist is wrong about the climate change because he beats his wife. Makes sense.

What matters is argument, not the person making it.

[Anonymous No.3792930]

>>3792907
>They are.

Humans aren't in a position to judge humanity because they are too absorbed in it to form a proper view. A human cannot get outside of humanity in order to view the entire picture.

>One can criticize humanity as a whole and still value certain individuals including oneself.

If you were being consistent you would see that every criticism you apply to "humanity" applies to yourself. You think humans are too violent? You have the inclination and potential for violence yourself. The same goes for envy and greed, and whatever other vice.

>One can also hate humanity including oneself.

Sure, but I would call this a form of sickness.

>>3792928
What are you talking about? Misanthropy isn't a scientific claim, it's a value judgement and a very shortsighted and disgusting value judgement to make.

[Anonymous No.3792938]

[Anonymous No.3792936]

>>3792907
>completely based on the assumption that a misanthrope conceptually distances himself from humanity

I think you forgot to add "distances oneself from humanity because their view of oneself as either superior to other individuals or perhaps cannot relate to humans, despite being human, and consider them self alien / foreign observer"

[Anonymous No.3792935]

>>3792930
I already told you opinions cannot be wrong. Anything you write is reduntant.

[Anonymous No.3792941]

>>3792935
fine, your opinion isn't wrong. It's disgusting and harmful and should be pulled out like a weed.

[Anonymous No.3792944]

100fn or so from where I grew up, in a little town near the foot of the Sunhen Mountains, there is a pillar. A single structure of gleaming metal, 10cz high, burnished in some strange material that never tarnishes nor rusts. It is one of twelve others like it scattered across the globe. It is perfect in every respect; every dimension flawless, every face perfectly smooth. And, most of all, it is an enigma ancient beyond belief.

It is a world heritage site now, a tourist attraction, studied by scientists and debated by philosophers and historians. It has been derided as a hoax, despite every test science can think of demonstrating it has stood on this ground for over 100,000 revs. It was old when our kind still lived in caves and animal furs. And it is the most important thing to have ever existed.

For on it, repeated over and over, in scripts curled and angular, mathematical formulae and ideograms, in pictures and digital codes, is a single message in all the languages of the world:

We are Humanity.
Sleep well, little ones.
For until you join us among the stars,
We shall keep you safe.

And occasionally, just occasionally on a warm summer night when the sky is clear and the stars shine bright, if you're lucky or observant enough, you can see a tiny light streak across the sky; a silent reminder that they still keep their promise.

[Anonymous No.3792947]

>>3792938

[Anonymous No.3792951]

Don't forget that misanthropes might have a great tendency to become marvelous Trolling machines. So reply with care in a threat filled with them.

[Anonymous No.3792950]

>>3792941
See, this is all you've got. Opinions. No one gives two shits about your opinions.

[Anonymous No.3792953]

>>3792950
then nobody gives a shit about yours, and there's no reason to have a discussion at all

[Anonymous No.3792954]

>>3792938
>>3792947
Is this pseudo-psychoanalysis supposed to impress me? Or are you implying that this pseudo-scientific babbling is describing some state of reality?

[Anonymous No.3792957]

>>3792953
Discussion with you: no. Discussion with interested parties: yes. Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Took you ages to properly differentiate between empiricaly verifiable knowledge about reality and aesthetics, hasn't it, toddler?

[Anonymous No.3792960]

>>3792957
let's see how long it takes you to differentiate between being edgy and being wise

[Anonymous No.3792968]

>>3792960
>muh opinions make me wise
This line of thinking is exactly what people call 'edgy', you hypocrite.

Holy shit, you are an embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.3792969]

>>3792938
> hate it for its strength
Hardly. maybe that's true for some people, but I could not identify with that. It isn't weakness I despise either, but the deception and almost universal ability for people to manipulate others to get and do what they want. It's a problem of control and accepting authority from those who deserve those roles as opposed to those that do not. Power struggles between people. Owning land. Marriage. Acquisition of money and social status.

What I hate is human nature, or what I've come to understand as human nautre

[Anonymous No.3792972]

>>3792930
>Humans aren't in a position to judge humanity because they are too absorbed in it to form a proper view. A human cannot get outside of humanity in order to view the entire picture.
We can't objectively view the entire picture of anything. It's always distorted, cherry picked and from a certain perspective. Misanthropy is, like all likes and dislikes, a matter of taste. Hating humanity is like enjoying icecream. No justification needed. You can say I don't really know humanity or am not really sure what icecream tastes like but my opinion is still there. All opinions are formed from incomplete information and experience. And all preferences are per definition irrational.

>If you were being consistent you would see that every criticism you apply to "humanity" applies to yourself. You think humans are too violent? You have the inclination and potential for violence yourself. The same goes for envy and greed, and whatever other vice.
That doesn't make the criticisms any less valid. A sick doctor can still diagnose an illness. Then again, I mostly dislike humanity for it's shitty tastes, aims and convictions and aesthetics. Obviously I don't share these beliefs or I wouldn't dislike them. Therefore I can safely say I hate people in general without hating myself.

>Sure, but I would call this a form of sickness.
It would be if it would be detrimental to ones health, but I generally enjoy my contempt. Hence my asking for misanthropic books so that I may have a laugh.

>it's a value judgement and a very shortsighted and disgusting value judgement to make.
It's no more shortsighted and disgusting than hating candy. You're dismissing misanthropy as an invalid judgement yet your whole argument comes down to general objections to all judgements at all and a badly concealed "stop disliking what I like".

[Anonymous No.3792977]

>>3792969
The question then is, is human nature the epitome of what it means to be human. Has it been constant, does it have to be constant? Is it the core yet, are we justified to think so?

[Anonymous No.3792981]

>>3792969
>What I hate is human nature

It's human nature to hate what they fear and don't understand.

[Anonymous No.3792983]

>>3792960
Being edgy is far easier than being wise, tot. I don't have the time and brains to be wise. Where edgy is easy, tis folly to be wise. You get me, tyke?

[Anonymous No.3792984]

>>3792972
>It's no more shortsighted and disgusting than hating candy.

Except if hating candy became the norm then we would benefit from it, but if misanthropy became the norm we would be doomed.

[Anonymous No.3792986]

>>3792981
prove hating human nature comes from fear

i'll wait

[Anonymous No.3792988]

>>3792986
why would you want that?

surely you want to believe that hating human nature comes from fear, that gives you another reason to despite pathetic, fearful humans!

[Anonymous No.3792990]

>>3792981
So then can one leap of faith fallacy to suggest most people do fear what they do not understand. Therefore most people are misanthropes

Is that what you are suggesting? This will derail proper topic, but I do not quite follow the logic

[Anonymous No.3792996]

>>3792977
I cannot answer this without an essay. Read more philosophy. Even I can admit that I cannot possibly answer all that write now. It would be a lifetime worth of writing to write adequate responses.

No it's not a cop out, I'm merely admitting I cannot possibly answer you succinctly.

[Anonymous No.3792995]

>>3792988
>why would you want that?
only then your shallow platitude would make any sense

[Anonymous No.3792998]

>>3792996
Right*

[Anonymous No.3793001]

>>3792938
>>3792947
That obese dimwit argues like a stereotypical sassy black woman.

>if they don't want to be with us it's because they can't handle us

Lel.

[Anonymous No.3793002]

>>3792996
You could start with a simple yes/no for starters.

[Anonymous No.3793004]

>>3793002
That's not sufficient and you know it

[Anonymous No.3793005]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQz1SzD27Uc

[Anonymous No.3793018]

>plebs thinking misanthropy is 'terrible' and not 'fun'

I stole a bucket of pebbles from someone's garden. At night I sit silently in the dark out on my balcony with it beside me shooting at people's cars with my slingshot.

>mfw some cunt gets out of bed to turn off the alarm of his benz and sees his windshield is missing

[Anonymous No.3793037]

>>3793018
>babby thinks hatred towards something requires action

[Anonymous No.3793039]

>>3793037
I didn't imply that. It's the healthy kind of misanthropy though.

[Anonymous No.3793045]

>>3793039
Then what's the connection?

You don't have to be a misanthrope to fuck people up.

[Anonymous No.3793056]

>>3792897
>opinions cannot be wrong

This is why I hate /lit/ sometimes.

[Anonymous No.3793059]

>>3793056
and you are the reason I hate stupid people

it's the shameless audacity

[Anonymous No.3793061]

>>3793056
Because people remind you of inconvenient truths?

[Anonymous No.3793107]

>>3793045
Because a dislike for people makes fucking with them more satisfying, silly. A misanthrope has basically an endless amount of easily accessible joys, from peeing on the toilet paper to anonymously tipping people into prison.

[Anonymous No.3793117]

>>3793061
Because of psuedo-intellectualism being shamelessly passed off as authority.

[Anonymous No.3793122]

>>3793117
Please explain how opinions can be right or wrong.

[Anonymous No.3793125]

>>3793107
>Because a dislike for people makes fucking with them more satisfying, silly.
It doesn't for me. Your move.

[Anonymous No.3793128]

>>3793122
He's too far gone, dude. Jesusilis got him good.

[Anonymous No.3793130]

>>3793045
There isn't one, misanthropy doesn't imply sadism.

[Anonymous No.3793144]

Well, the problem is that every single man being outspoken of his misanthropy has been a completely worthless human being themselves.
If you truly are superior, why even bother? Why not conquer your own negative emotions towards human beings with the fact that everybody acts according to the laws of nature and hate is essentially just ignorance?
Sooner or later you will find out you are really just disguising your own insecurity.

[Anonymous No.3793146]

>>3793122

If somebody claims: 'Every point is valid'
Then finish the sentence yourself: 'Even ignorance'.

[poop !!sLz+fwCdMOg No.3793148]

>>3792774
>fiction

I suggest reading the U.S. Constitution. At least until you realize it isn't meant to apply to the protection of a citizen's right, but is in fact a contract between the government and sovereign individuals. Citizen's are voluntary servants of the government, and have relinquished their rights for the ``privilege'' of citizenship.

[Anonymous No.3793156]

>>3793146
"Every point is valid" is a different statement than "opinions can't be wrong". And ignorance isn't a point. What in God's name are you blathering about?

[Anonymous No.3793160]

>>3793125
Well that's strange. Do you even experience schadenfreude? It's the best feel.

[Anonymous No.3793164]

>>3793144
>heraclitus, schopenhauer etc
>worthless

[Anonymous No.3793166]

>>3793144
>change your nature because people can't change their nature

[Anonymous No.3793178]

>>3793144
>worthless
muh deontology

Are you old enough to post here?

[Anonymous No.3793190]

>>3793148
>seeing through shit but not being balzy enough to reach the ultimate conclusion
The "contract" is your best friend since the alternative is rifle's butt in your face. You trade rights for survival.

[Anonymous No.3793197]

>>3793160
I hate humans because they don't conform to my standards. Feeling schadenfreude from vermin's failure would reduce me to its level.

[Anonymous No.3793210]

>>3793122
>explain why opinions can be right or wrong

Why? No one ever claimed they could be, regardless of your protests to the contrary.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3793381]

>>3793125
This. This reminds me of another thread where some anon was saying misanthropes were immature. If you think of misanthropy that way, of course it looks immature. But, at least in my case, I can't say disliking humanity AS A WHOLE (this part is very important, on that other thread about misanthropy I noticed it's something very difficult to keep in mind for some people) makes me enjoy it when a random particular human suffers. The only thing I can say misanthropy makes me enjoy is solitude or at least the peace that's left when nobody's annoying you with his mundane problems.

[Anonymous No.3793519]

>>3793197
That's a shame. Misanthropy is a lot more manageable if you're a bit of a sadist. It's the only way you can happily watch the news.

[Anonymous No.3793525]

>>3793190
>assuming your on the victim side of things by default
Typical slave.

[Anonymous No.3793548]

>>3793525
Check your arrogance. Your posting on 4chan just like the rest of us.

[Anonymous No.3793595]

>>3793548
>implying only weaklings can post on 4chan
Typical projectionist.

[Anonymous No.3793627]

>>3793595
Don't delude yourself, you are a joke.

[Anonymous No.3793640]

>>3793525
>internet self-declared ubermensch
>can't write a short sentence without a grammatical mistake

this is why I am a mysanthrope

[Anonymous No.3793672]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.3793679]

>>3793672
>bumping it to post your memeface

[Anonymous No.3793714]

>>3793679
>Not using memefaces at all moments possible
>mfw a misanthrope exists near me

[Anonymous No.3793729]

>>3793679

>getting mad at bumping a thread on the front page

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3793863]

>>3793519
I agree, somehow. But nobody said being a misanthrope was something good.

[Anonymous No.3793898]

>>3792783
I can't look at those anymore without thinking "but wait these threads are just an excuse to feel good about our western knack for imperialism again. Wait so are spehs mahrenes. Oh god how will I ever enjoy anything again"

Fucking literature.

[Anonymous No.3794049]

>>3793898
>go to /tg/ out of cursiosity and find a thread
>hundreds of little stories about how human space marines or some shit fuck aliens up all the time and are viewed like the mongols of the universe

Not sure how I feel about this.

[Anonymous No.3794136]

looking for witty, cynical humanity-bashing? want to feel gruntled again?

look no further

"Why is it, Diogenes, that pupils leave you to go to other teachers, but rarely do they leave them to come to you?"

"Because," replied Diogenes, "one can make eunuchs out of men, but no one can make a man out of eunuchs"

A student of philosophy, eager to display his powers of argument, approached Diogenes, introduced himself and said, "If it pleases you, sir, let me prove to you that there is no such thing as motion." Whereupon Diogenes immediately got up and left.

Diogenes was once invited to dinner by a wealthy man. During the evening, one of the guests became so outraged by Diogenes' general behaviour that he began to throw bones at him, calling him a "dog." Whereupon Diogenes got up, went to the guest, cocked up his leg and urinated on him.

Diogenes was asked why he always begged. "To teach people," replied Diogenes. "Oh yes, and what do you teach?" people would ask him scornfully. "Generosity", he replied.

[Anonymous No.3794793]

>no Bitter Bierce
Get the Devil's Dictionary.

[Anonymous No.3794814]

Nathaniel Hawthorne