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[Anonymous No.3789633]

name an influential marxist who isnt a boring academic who wastes everybody's time instead of initiating real action.

they are organized opposition, as were marx and engels.
all they do is suck away lifetime and energy out of people who are fed up and are ready to fight.

[Anonymous No.3789640]

Zyzz(iek)

[Anonymous No.3789647]

>>3789640
what are his ideas and propositions?

[Anonymous No.3789648]

what are you fighting against kiddo?

[Anonymous No.3789649]

Karl Marx

[Anonymous No.3789652]

>>3789648
the ones who control the sea, air and money

[Anonymous No.3789656]

>>3789652
well talk to daddy and ask if he'll lend you some money

or just go to mummy altogether since daddy is is probably at work controlling the sea and/or air

[Anonymous No.3789658]

OP, the only influential Marxists are the boring academics, they're the only ones who have the time to write anything on the subject.

[Anonymous No.3789659]

>>3789648
Arrogant bourgeois punks that use the word 'kiddo' and Millennials

[Anonymous No.3789663]

Obama
if killing the greatest nation on God's green earth isn't real action, I don't know what is!

[Anonymous No.3789664]

>>3789647
from The Idea of Communism 2

Imagine Rock up in the projects where them niggas pick your pockets
Santa Claus don't miss them stockings, liquor spilling pistols popping
Baking soda YOLA whipping, ain't no turkey on Thanksgiving
My homeboy just domed a nigga, I just hope the Lord forgive him
Pots with cocaine residue, everyday I'm hustling
What else is a thug to do when you eatin' cheese from the government
Gotta provide for my daughter n'em, get the fuck up out my way, bitch
Got that drum and got them bands just like a parade, bitch
Drop that work up in the bushes, hope them boys don't see my stash
If they do, tell the truth, this the last time you might see my ass
From the gardens where the grass ain't cut, them serpents lurking, blood
Bitches selling pussy, niggas selling drugs but it's all good
Broken promises, steal your watch and tell you what time it is
Take your J's and tell you to kick it where a FootLocker is
In the streets with a heater under my dungarees
Dreams of me getting shaded under a money tree

[Anonymous No.3789665]

>>3789659
>edgy middle class white kids clamoring for 'revolution'

[Anonymous No.3789676]

>>3789665
the shitty marxist track record is the reason why you are able to put revolution in ironic quotation marks. so how the fuck are you disagreeing with OP?

[Anonymous No.3789681]

>>3789676
I'm saying there isn't any need to 'initiate real action' faggo

[Anonymous No.3789684]

>>3789681
but that would be offtopic

[Anonymous No.3789957]

>mfw cunts don't realise that going on the dole is the best way of toppling the system

[Anonymous No.3789990]

>not realizing that a marxist interpretation of history does not necessitate a revolutionary response

[Hella Kutie niceguy No.3790009]

>>3789664

good one. I really liked that album.

[Anonymous No.3790032]

>>3789990
they just dillute powerful analysis with nonsense.

imagine alex jones founding a "Fernand Braudel institute for the study of 1776"

thats would be similar to what marxist do to their teachers.

or look what happened to Freud (Reich, Fromm, Marcuse)

[Anonymous No.3790038]

>>3789990
>failing marx 101 this hard

[Anonymous No.3790073]

>>3789647
http://simongros.com/text/books/slavoj-zizek/english/

>implying you read

[Anonymous No.3790076]

>lenin

[Anonymous No.3790081]

>>3790073
>Žižek takes issue with analysts of the postmodern condition from Habermas to Sloterdijk, showing that the idea of a ‘post-ideological’ world ignores the fact that ‘even if we do not take things seriously, we are still doing them’. Rejecting postmodernism’s unified world of surfaces, he traces a line of thought from Hegel to Althusser and Lacan, in which the human subject is split, divided by a deep antagonism which determines social reality and through which ideology operates. Linking key psychoanalytical and philosophical concepts to social phenomena such as totalitarianism and racism, the book explores the political significance of these fantasies of control. In so doing, The Sublime Object of Ideology represents a powerful contribution to a psychoanalytical theory of ideology, as well as offering persuasive interpretations of a number of contemporary cultural formations.

so how does this help me to create a new society?
he could just review movies and it would be the same outcome.

[Anonymous No.3790085]

>>3790076
heavily financed and helped by german government. doesnt count.

[Anonymous No.3790101]

>>3790076
>In August 1920 Bertrand Russell travelled to Russia as part of an official delegation sent by the British government to investigate the effects of the Russian Revolution. He met Vladimir Lenin and had an hour-long conversation with him. In his autobiography, he mentions that he found Lenin rather disappointing, sensing an "impish cruelty" in him and comparing him to "an opinionated professor".

>an opinionated professor
>isn't a boring academic

[Anonymous No.3790102]

>>3790081
Well it certainly helps you form a society which is ideologically preservable. He has a lot of input in many fields a communist society should be concerned about: propaganda, education, forms of organizations and art.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n22/slavoj-zizek/resistance-is-surrender

[Anonymous No.3790110]

>>3790101
Do I need to spell out the irony in this comment? You are quoting a real professor on a pragmatic politician and political theorist.

Teens just look for excuses not to read.

[Anonymous No.3790116]

>>3790101
>initiating real action
if he got billions of dollars (in today's money)
i dont think he should be seen as the initiative behind the russian revolution

[Anonymous No.3790132]

>>3790102
>The thing to do is, on the contrary, to bombard those in power with strategically well-selected, precise, finite demands, which can’t be met with the same excuse.

ok, but thats common sense. i didnt need marxist theoretical framework to find that out.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790143]

well, academics are academic. I basically agree with two points zizek seems to stress often: (1) leftists should stop looking for a messiah to give them the masterplan to overthrow capitalism, and (2) much of the problem of 20th century socialism was an absence of thought and reflection - we acted too quickly and thought too little.

so yes, of course activism and action is needed, and perhaps urgently. but it is a bit erroneous to expect it from academics, who I think are truly valuable in the modest separation from immediate pragmatic concerns, who can reflect on them, comment on them, assess them, and criticize them free of the blind and dogmatic urgency to uplift them like dutiful official philosophers

the curious fact is that of academic marxists Harvey, who OP posted, is reasonably active and pragmatic (right to the city, contributions to urban planning, and so forth).

[Anonymous No.3790154]

>>3789990
>this

also captcha: societal sphomand

[Anonymous No.3790166]

>>3790132
>common sense
The Occupy movement was the most recent 'common sense' parade of the left. Yet somehow they failed at what you are pointing out.

[Anonymous No.3790201]

>>3790166
i dont think avoiding leadership and the "human mic" was common sense.
also zizek spoke there together with other marxistfags, its all on youtube.

it was the display of what marxism could do to intelligent people.

[Anonymous No.3790206]

>>3790143
you seriously believe there will be "rebel cities", inspired by something harvey wrote?

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790231]

>>3790206
probably not directly; but I think it could inspire action that's worthwhile and distinct from the old leftist line of organization along trade-union lines, and imagines revolutionary action on a somewhat more manageable scale (that of a city versus a nation). I'm a pessimist, but not a fatalist, here.

[Anonymous No.3790246]

>>3789633
I have never heard Zizek talk about anything valuable. It is like he gets paid to watch movies and pop culture and then talk about it.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790250]

>>3790201
>i dont think avoiding leadership and the "human mic" was common sense.
no it was liberal garbage. sorry but you need directed action here, and that means leadership, before any direct democracy is feasible.

Zizek says much the same thing and is critical of occupy on this point

[Anonymous No.3790256]

>>3790201
You aren't a good reader. You grabbed out this part

>The thing to do is, on the contrary, to bombard those in power with strategically well-selected, precise, finite demands, which can’t be met with the same excuse.

and I responded to that. Leadership is another issue.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2013/04/simple-courage-decision-leftist-tribute-thatcher

I'm going to link in libcom's total failure at understanding too:
http://libcom.org/news/we-need-zizeks-thatcher-left-fish-needs-bicycle-22042013

And a defense:
http://blog.mjburgess.co.uk/2013/04/zizek-is-right.html

[Anonymous No.3790264]

>>3790231
>I'm a pessimist, but not a fatalist, here.
My got, I see what you are doing here.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790272]

>>3790264
fuck you i was about to post that gif

[Anonymous No.3790289]

Stalin

[Anonymous No.3790290]

>>3790272
All right, all right. Just calm down.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790294]

>>3790290
ok :3

[Anonymous No.3790295]

>>3790289
not a self-made revolutionary

[Anonymous No.3790304]

>>3790294
>literally hitler

[Anonymous No.3790313]

>>3790295
What's this idiotic fixation on self-madedness of yours?

Fun fact, you weren't self-made. Ask your parents about that story.

[Anonymous No.3790323]

>>3790313
unless you live in third world and a western capitalist decides that a marxist revolution in your country would be cool... revolution will have to be self-made

[Anonymous No.3790335]

>>3790323
You are not very keen on answering the actual questions in this thread.

[Anonymous No.3790337]

>>3790323

no revolution in history has issued from the people, theres always been an interested group instigating and co-opting for one goal or another.

[Anonymous No.3790338]

>>3789681
>faggo

I"m adding that to list.
1. Arrogant bourgeois punks that use the word 'kiddo'
2. Arrogant bourgeois punks that use the word 'faggo'
3. Millennials

[Anonymous No.3790345]

>>3790335
i'm not running away. hit me with your best shot

[Anonymous No.3790367]

>>3790337
but only marxist revolutions have consistently been financed by theone group who is theoretically their biggest opponent (and which didnt live in the target country).

face it, capitalists fight each other with every possible tool. if there's nothing better than marxists, they will choose this option. it usually leads to civil war and decade long stagnation.
your opponent elite will lose everything.

[Anonymous No.3790368]

>>3790345
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[Anonymous No.3790377]

>>3790367
>familiar argument

[Anonymous No.3790379]

the problem with Leftists/Marxists is that they are so self-divided and unclear as to their practical aims, the only thing they all have in common is, "make sure to feel discontent and unhappy about the state of things."

[Anonymous No.3790403]

>>3790377
>labor theory of value
>2013

[Anonymous No.3790424]

>>3790403
>invisible hand

[Anonymous No.3790437]

>>3790424
>false dichotomy

do you even Chartalism or Keynes?

[Anonymous No.3790448]

>>3789633

Giuseppe Garibaldi

[Anonymous No.3790464]

>>3790437
>keynes
"I find myself more and more relying for a solution of our problems on the invisible hand which I tried to eject from economic thinking twenty years ago."

[Anonymous No.3790467]

>>3790448
how?

[Anonymous No.3790475]

>>3789633
Gramsci
http://ebookcollective.blogspot.hu/2013/05/antonio-gramsci-selections-from-prison_9.html

Malcolm X
http://ebookcollective.blogspot.hu/2013/05/malcolm-x-speaks-selected-speeches-and.html

[Anonymous No.3790481]

>>3790464
fiscal policy doesnt make sense if you always rely on invisible hand.
deal with it.

[Anonymous No.3790482]

>>3790464
is "invisible hand" a euphemism for the jews?

[Anonymous No.3790486]

dis nigga

[Anonymous No.3790491]

>>3790101
>Bertrand Russell

[Anonymous No.3790505]

>>3790467

I'm joking. Garibaldi was not a Marxist. But he certainly was not all words, and was a man of action who functioned well intellectually but excelled when it came to taking action.

I'd recommend his biography. He had balls and I cannot name a single modern revolutionary who did meaningful things in both sides of the Atlantic.

[Anonymous No.3790513]

>>3790482
We are dealing here with the interconnection between anamorphosis and sublimation: the series of objects in reality is structured around (or, rather, involves) a void; if this void becomes visible 'as such', reality disintegrates. So, in order to maintain the consistent edifice of reality one of the elements of reality has to be displaced on to and occupy the central Void - the Lacanian objetpetita. This object is the 'sublime object [of ideology]', the object 'elevated to the dignity of a Thing', and simultaneously the anamorphic object (in order to perceive its sublime quality, we have to look at it 'awry', askew - viewed directly, it looks like just another object in a series). For the straight view', the 'Jew', for example, is one in the series of national or ethnic groups, but at the same time the 'sublime object', the stand-in for the Void (central antagonism) around which the social edifice is structured - the ultimate hidden Master who secretly pulls all the strings; anti-Semitic reference to the J e w thus 'makes things clear', enabling the perception of society as a closed/consistent space.

[Anonymous No.3790522]

>>3790486
he had his time.

[Anonymous No.3790523]

>>3790481
>fiscal policy doesn't make sense if you are relying on an invisible hand.
Fixed that for you. How's your opioid dependence going?

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790524]

>>3790486
he was cooler when he was cutting down power lines and not fawning over spinoza and jerking off to information technology

[Anonymous No.3790531]

>>3790524
I don't mind his fawning over Spinoza, I quite like Spinoza. His work with Hardt though is incredibly mediocre. Hardt ruined him.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790537]

>>3790531
I think Spinoza's fascinating and indispensable, but I don't find him to be all that useful of a model for political theory of practice. I need some negation.

[Anonymous No.3790538]

>>3789633

This thread is a brilliant example of what is wrong with intelligentsia and with those aspiring/dreaming to be intelligentsia (99% of lit): all talk, no action.

A real Marxist (or a real thinker) actually does stuff. I see nobody here actually throwing a single Molotov cocktail against The Man. The most you can find in the web is a few fatsos overloading webpages or chanting in front of Scientology offices for shits and giggles.

And before you ask me what am I doing, know that I do not claim to be an intellectual. I also do not want to be one.

[Anonymous No.3790562]

>>3790538
I don't think throwing molotov cocktails achieves more than getting jailed and stigmatized as a terrorist. What really matters is organizing a party.

[Anonymous No.3790580]

>>3790562

*yawn*

[Anonymous No.3790635]

>>3790538
It's because violence is ineffective, especially with the military tech that a government has today.

[Anonymous No.3790636]

>>3790537
why they arr rook same

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790664]

>>3790636
idk

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790669]

>>3790664
wtf that was supposed to be a picture of Locke

[Anonymous No.3790672]

>>3790513

yeah thats nice and all, but khazar nepotism is a verifiable fact.

[Anonymous No.3790687]

>>3790672
>[insert ethnicity] nepotism is a verifiable fact

read that again, pal

[Anonymous No.3790690]

>>3790669
I's ancient anime.

[Anonymous No.3790700]

>>3790690

[Anonymous No.3790718]

"Capitalism is at least tolerable, which cannot be said of Socialism or Communism" and went on to observe that, "under any of these regimes a sufficiently shrewd man can feather his nest.". le benjamin tucker

[Anonymous No.3790745]

>>3790718
>Capitalism is at least tolerable
Insofar as you have the tolerance level of a psychopath.

[Anonymous No.3790756]

>>3790745
The best thing is like centrist market based welfare state. Paradise for all.

[Anonymous No.3790761]

>>3790756
>Paradise for all.
Insofar the third world makes our shit in slavish conditions.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790762]

>>3790756
you can't have a welfare state doling our goodies without depressions of wages elsewhere. The whole world couldn't be a welfare state on the model as it now stands.

[Anonymous No.3790763]

>>3790761
Seems like I conveniently forgot about that.

[Anonymous No.3790769]

>>3790763
Hey, that's just like 60% of the world population, no biggie.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3790774]

there's also the fact that the last four or five years have shown how tenuous welfare benefits are when they're dependent on the vagaries of capitalist markets. ask Spain and Greece how their welfare state is working out for them

[Anonymous No.3790778]

>>3790774
how are markets working out for them?

[Anonymous No.3790796]

>>3790761

3d printing

>>3790687

yeah i read it, and thats nice and all, but khazar nepotism is a verifiable fact.

im implying thats a bad thing of course.

[Anonymous No.3790801]

>>3790769
Don't really feel personally inclined to free them, to be honest. Most people don't, but they're less honest and like to pay lip service to blurry ideals.

[Anonymous No.3790805]

>>3790801
You can feel the edge™ emanating from this one.

[Anonymous No.3790949]

>>3790762
Why not? We easy have enough space and resources to give every person decent place to sleep, something to eat and something to wear.

[Anonymous No.3791086]

>>3790762
dis wa posh cunts acetely thinks ye te tink

[Anonymous No.3791102]

the left is dead child

[Anonymous No.3791463]

>>3791102
Okay anonymous man on the internet.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3791511]

>>3790949
we do. but we can't do that within capitalism, and at once to make them secure.

I basically like Adorno here: the first demand should be - that no one should ever go hungry any more. and that simple demand would overthrow everything.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3791522]

>>3791521
>the guys who actually have an interest in the status quo don't take leftists seriously

gee i wonder why

[Anonymous No.3791521]

>>3791463
>>3791463

It is. There is no leftist political ideology that is taken seriously among "practical academics". The guys who actually influence social policy.

[Anonymous No.3791537]

>>3791522
>>3791522

Because their ideas need to work. If their predictions fail continuously, the economy collapses, social order declines, etc.

[Blood Rainbow !!6ueS4TJTaQw No.3791560]

>>3791537
cyclical economic crisis happens anyway. ask the unemployed and underemployed of the world if capitalism "works" for them

fuck it im drunk and im gonna eat hummus

[Anonymous No.3791598]

>>3790486
G.

[Anonymous No.3791626]

>>3791537
>>3791521
Whole Scandinavia is left as fuck and got the by far best living standard. Stop talking out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.3791630]

hey casuals,

we marxists are fighting the war of position right now, we must first win the war of position before we can begin what you call 'real action' or, the war of manoeuver. get into gramsci

[Anonymous No.3791633]

Trotsky.

[Anonymous No.3791637]

Ayn Rand

[Anonymous No.3791638]

>>3791560
>>3791537
Here's the thing
the hell and chaos of the 19th century gave fertile ground for the commies and anarchists to do their work and finally chuck a milennia-old system of hereditary and absolutist rule

For all the existential whining going on, millions of people aren't either dying violently, starving to death, or living with a bayonet pointed at their throat nowadays

What you see "working" or "not working" is a broken bike gear compared to seeing a car's engine block catch fire or a house burn down

[Anonymous No.3791643]

>>3791638
>, millions of people aren't either dying violently, starving to death, or living with a bayonet pointed at their throat nowadays
Uhm, yes they actually do. Billions to be precise. Though the bayonet got exchanged for a sexy ass Kalashnikov.

[Anonymous No.3791645]

>>3791633
Where would Trotsky be without Lenin continually putting him on notice?

[Anonymous No.3791647]

>>3791560
>fuck it im drunk and im gonna eat hummus
for a second there i thought you wrote
>fuck it im drunk and im gonna eat humans

[Anonymous No.3791648]

>>3791637
Given how she effectively presented that an asocial society wouldnt work, she sure made some pro commie points unintentionally.

[Anonymous No.3791649]

>>3791638
the tyranny of money and work alienates us from ourselves, species-being, and from each other. What is it but stealing our lives when our bodies, and time we can never get back, are taken for the profits of others. When all social interactions are just exchanges of money or profit? This is the death of late capitalism.

tl;dr yeah they don't whip and shoot us, but being better than the past isn't good enough

[Anonymous No.3791657]

>>3791649
>but being better than the past isn't good enough
But...but muh economy grown and muh debt

[Anonymous No.3791659]

>>3791643
So you're telling me we're seeing billions of people dying a la Leopold's Congo, Boxer Rebellions, tsarist russia in 1905, a goddamn Great War, etc. etc. etc.

We're shitting ourselves over the dokdo/takeshima when in the 19th century Japan annexed Korea outright

Ok.

[Anonymous No.3791670]

>>3791659
They still die en masse in Congo for our shit, just its Cobalt now and there are enough rebellions in Africa and middle east where fuckloads of people get shot, or die because we dont feel like threatening their diseases or just the good old hunger.

Thats even ignoring the many more who die because of shitty living standard and working conditions, pretty much like in the pre revolutionary times.

[Anonymous No.3791675]

even the bossman himself Karl knew capitalism was one of the most creative and dynamic forces that helped improve society. He just wanted things to get even better for ppl

[Anonymous No.3791678]

>>3791675
Just its pretty good at ruining it as well when uncontrolled.

[Anonymous No.3791682]

>>3791649
>the tyranny of money and work
Such hasnt been the objective of the 19th century commies to eliminate. Work needs to be done.

At the very end of the chain someone has to work to make something. Food. Clothes. A shiny bauble.

Do you think that if you work for someone other than yourself you're a rube allowing someone else to steal from you your effort and time?

And its not like communes dont exist. Even America has had a long, over century-long tradition of communes.
Or go live on a kibbutz.

[Anonymous No.3791691]

>>3791682
>Work needs to be done.
Only the one necessary for survival and given how fast robots evolve, they can do most of it even right now, too bad our idiotic thinking that losing jobs is something negative slow downs the progress.

[Anonymous No.3791703]

>>3791682
i guess there's work and then there's 'toil'
it is not just about physical activity but the power and meaning surrounding it. i just used 'work' for a shorthand

[Anonymous No.3791716]

>>3791670
Modern day congo isnt Leopold's congo where literally half the population was thought to have died in His Majesty's personal preserve. It isnt even the same as post Sese-Seko, Civil-War Congo. Instead of Belgians chopping off hands at least people send international observers to cobble together some kind of responsible, elected government

the middle east was barely done with four centuries of turkish suzerainty when the 20th century came around, being forced to live with, lol, 19th century european powers constructing lines and boundaries that cut off and mix ethno-religous populations

shitty living standards and working conditions exist period regardless of whether its communist, capitalist, or feudal


In any case, my original point was that people raised their red banners back then because they were truly pushed to death's door all across the world.

The reason why it was peasants in China and Russia that finally made it to "the next step" back then was probably because, even compared to the factory worker, they had it the fucking worst.

[Anonymous No.3791730]

>>3791716
While the situation might be better than at the pretty much worst points of history you listed, the way things are in modern Africa is hardly different from the pre revolutionary Europe and there are still over billion fucking people who live in hunger, and yet the people there hardly can just raise the red flag and say "Fuck this shit"

>Instead of Belgians chopping off hands at least people send international observers to cobble together some kind of responsible, elected government
That end up to be some warlord that does pretty much the same and if he overdoes it, he gets replaced by a new one. If he is a "good" one, he´ll just let the guys work 16h and skips the hand chopping part.

[Anonymous No.3791732]

>>3791703
Well okay fine. I just tugged on the usual response when it comes to talking about "work"

So you mean, like, extortionist labor when you mean "power and its meaning surrounding it"?

Still, if one doesnt 'work' for the money to buy food, one has to get food somehow. So replace the work done for the money, you should have to grow it yourself.

So i dont that work to that extent should be extortionist. Its just work in place of work.
Same thing with working to clothe yourself, or housing yourself. Or small things like buying detergent to wash your clothes and such.

But then, when does work become exploitative? And if you identify the point at which it does becomes extortionist, why not choose not to work beyond that point? One could be an ascetic.

Or perhaps its just a sign of such a corroded society that one is forced into a life of asceticism just to avoid it all huh?

[Anonymous No.3791805]

What autobiographies have you read?

[Anonymous No.3791893]

Timoleon Jimenez, Timochenko

[Anonymous No.3792229]

>>3791691
Yeah tell me that losing my job speeds up the socialist revolution. That will help me a fucking lot while i struggle to scrape by enough money to make the end of the month for my kids. I am sure people have all the reason to be happy about it.

[Anonymous No.3792320]

>>3792229

You're arguing with a kid who doesn't know where the cash daddy gives him for his comics and weed comes from.

Those of us who must support a family understand that it's all fun and games while reading and dreaming about this and that, but then there's is a reality which is reductionist and bottom-liner, trumping intellectualism for hardcore survival.

[Anonymous No.3792704]

>>3792229
The state could easy supply you with all the necessary goods, similar to welfare. Have a look outside of your box to Europe and specially Scandinavia.


>>3792320
>hurr durr, I live in USA and think that I need to work a 45+h week for the little scarps the elite let me have

[Anonymous No.3792724]

Fidel Castro

[Anonymous No.3792777]

>>3791626
More like left centre than actual left.

[Anonymous No.3792791]

>>3792777
Ye true but still very left compared to the rest and given how liberals got called left by Amerifats, Scandinavia must be extreme leftists in comparison.

[Anonymous No.3792817]

>>3791626
I do hope you know the history and at what time the left got power. Because even if they try to tell everybody that they first got socialism and then got all rich it's the other way around. Socialism came to after Sweden got rich.

[Anonymous No.3792821]

>>3792791
>mfw tea party fags call obama a socialist

[Anonymous No.3792840]

>>3792817
Nobody denies that and Karl said himself, that capitalism should be used for progress but the living standard they enjoy now, came with the left. Good economy doesnt mean shit if the money isnt used on people and sinks in the pockets of few like in the states.

An example on a smaller scale would be Germany and France, while the former have a stronger economy, wages are better in France.

[Anonymous No.3792872]

>>3792840
french equipment investment was also higher.
"stronger economy" only means that the € could be exploited by german export industry and their political lobby arm in EU comission and ECB.
if the € vanishes, german competitiveness would vanish very quickly because of currency re-valuations.

did marxists ever contribute anything to the analysis of today's crisis?
no. whenever they get attention in the media, they have to parrot something from modern money theory or keynes. marxism itself is helpless and impotent.

[Anonymous No.3792886]

>isnt a boring academic who wastes everybody's time instead of initiating real action
It only shows that they are smart. You cannot change the human nature, your little revolutions won't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.3792894]

>>3792872
>did marxists ever contribute anything to the analysis of today's crisis?
>no.
Covering your eyes and ears and going "lalalala I can't hear or see you" doesn't make something not exist

[Anonymous No.3793079]

>>3792817
Is the guy wearing motherfucking sandals?

[Anonymous No.3793116]

>>3792817
>plebs dismissing dated in favour of something more practical instead of dismissing reading at all

I want to live there.

[Anonymous No.3793145]

>>3791638

the rise of international finance did more to upset the old order then any 'peoples' movement.

[Anonymous No.3793151]

>>3793145
Go2bed Niall Ferguson.

[Anonymous No.3793158]

>>3792704

scandinavia is being run roughshot with anti-social and demoralized immigrants taking advantage of their hosts largess. i think the model still has a few kinks to work out.

[Anonymous No.3793168]

>>3793151

its true, if obviating monarchs is your idea of progress, then rothschild and sons were the worlds greatest revolutionaries.

[Anonymous No.3793175]

>>3793158
thats just a question of hospitality, not the whole model. they can easily decide to stop mass immigration if it continues to be a problem.

[Anonymous No.3793192]

>>3793175

if you dont want to import brown people, youre going to need a positive replacement rate in births, and in general western societies have been getting increasingly bad at getting people to marry and raise kids.

[Anonymous No.3793202]

>>3793168
the word you were looking for is "capitalist order" replacing "blood"

[Anonymous No.3793229]

>>3793192
scandinavian countries have higher fertility rates compared to rest of eu.
and fertility will automatically improve as soon as the mass income rises and makes it possible again to have a fucking family.

[Anonymous No.3793231]

>>3791463
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.3793233]

>>3793158
The problem with immigration is how it is discussed and how limited those discussions are. The left can do little more than moralize and sponsor weak handouts that do little to alleviate their conditions and the right too often speaks in xenophobic terms.

You should limit immigration because your resources are finite and can handle only so many people at a time and since growth is a slow process letting too many in pretty much condemns them to poverty.

Immigration policy should have four goals. The first is to ensure that immigrants can speak and read the nations language. The second is to make sure the understand its laws. The third is to teach them skills and create a job network for them so they better fit in. The fourth is to question them on why they came to the country and talk about values like free speech.

Once approved Immigrants wishing to enter would stay in large spartan camps on the border that are not built/managed like shit and spend their days mostly learning the language, skills, and a few philosophical tidbits. Depending on their progress or after a set amount of time they would be released able to enjoy the opportunities that the nation offers unlike the current immigrants who are held back by their ignorance of the nation, the language, and work skills.

[Anonymous No.3793255]

>>3793233
>Once approved Immigrants wishing to enter would stay in large spartan camps on the border that are not built/managed like shit and spend their days mostly learning the language, skills, and a few philosophical tidbits. Depending on their progress or after a set amount of time they would be released able to enjoy the opportunities that the nation offers unlike the current immigrants who are held back by their ignorance of the nation, the language, and work skills.
The main problem with this is that you appear to be talking about the fantasy world you're living in rather than reality.

[Anonymous No.3793263]

>>3793255
Whats so fantastical about it?

[Anonymous No.3793281]

>>3793263

not that guy, but it seems needlessly dirigiste to me. just make a certain set of standards or tests (which yes, WILL include cultural information, because we're deciding what kind of people we want in the country) that need to be met for entry, job done. also work passes too for special cases.

[Anonymous No.3793292]

>>3793281
The thing is how are they supposed to get that information? Most immigrants wouldn't have access to such knowledge or know where to get it.

[Anonymous No.3793293]

>>3791732
>But then, when does work become exploitative?
When you are not entitled to the total worth of you work, e.g. you work in a toy factory and you get every plush's 20% value in your payment, while the capitalist owner of the factory makes profit on the market.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aYt_fAEzmo

[Anonymous No.3793297]

>>3793229
Nope, fertility goes down with income, it can be observed everywhere but its just not as drastic in some countries.

>Once approved Immigrants wishing to enter would stay in large spartan camps
Yea, sounds like a great idea, putting them in ghettos before they even really arrive. Thinking like that is why integration suffers.

>learning skills and few philosophical tidbits
Why should they if most of the native population doesnt? Holding immigrants to higher standards than the rest is asking for conflict.

>unlike the current immigrants who are held back
Do you even understand the reasons of immigration?

[Anonymous No.3793299]

Modern culture is nihilistic and nihilism doesn't like violence or action.

so kill the nihilists
start with the scientists, they are the reason for all this

[Anonymous No.3793301]

>>3793299
>modern culture doesnt like violence
>violence in reallife and media 24/7

[Anonymous No.3793303]

>>3790635
>what is guerilla fighting

those goat herders and vietnamese seem to be doing good

>>3790538
>not wanting to be an intellectual
>muh ignorance

[Anonymous No.3793304]

>>3790801
All I was was "i'm a loser look at me, le 20 year old "cynic""

post-modernism sure is a blast

fuckin atheists

[Anonymous No.3793305]

>>3790580
Why are you here instead of doing your bit for the cause?

[Anonymous No.3793308]

>>3793292

through a library, media, or internet obviously.

if they dont have access to any of this, then they are probably not someone we want in country, obviously. And if they do have access, but dont care, then they are not someone we would want in country.

[Anonymous No.3793311]

>>3793299
I actually laughed out loud.

[Anonymous No.3793313]

>>3793304
This has nothing to do with religion. Morality is a separate issue.

[Anonymous No.3793316]

>>3792229
stop fucking popping out kids

really stop that

don't even try to excuse it with some stupid "selfish gene" shit or whatever

stop it
go live life, be an individual, stop being so fucking social

stop it

[Anonymous No.3793319]

>>3792320
stop making families

fucking stop it

i will get violent over this, kill your families until you fucking stop it
jesus fucking christ stop it

[Anonymous No.3793321]

>>3789633
But, you named one in your pic, OP

[Anonymous No.3793323]

>>3793316

youre part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.3793324]

>>3792886
fuck off determinist, atheism is a dead-end

if humans wont change then kill them all

genes aren't me

my nature emanates elsewhere

[Anonymous No.3793328]

>>3793297
of course people have much more children if there is no good social system (so childrem literally become assets).

buying power is bigger in scandinavian countries and welfare system is also bigger.
yet they have better fertility rate than germany or spain.

[Anonymous No.3793329]

>>3793301
well actual real life violence

they're too chickenshit for it

they believe in no afterlife

that's why

fuck 'em i want to die anyways
here i come God

[Anonymous No.3793331]

>>3793297
They wouldn't be held to higher standards, just basic ones like knowledge of the language, a few important laws, and basic skills like how to use a computer. With no knowledge of such things they are going to end up in the ghetto anyway because they have little understanding of how things work.

[Anonymous No.3793332]

What I get from this thread is that it now hip on /lit/ to be normalfag.

[Anonymous No.3793333]

>>3793331
suck my little dick

[Anonymous No.3793335]

>>3789649

[Anonymous No.3793336]

I need a very well hung clean and safe man to bust my cherry ass and I do mean bust it through me over a foot stool and pound your cock up my ass until I beg to eat your cum then stuff your cock down my throat and empty your balls in it

[Anonymous No.3793337]

>>3793332
marxists are normalfags

they read namedropping topical gibberish and feel cool that theoretically they "belong" to successful revolutionaries from history. but there is no connection between marxism and a successful revolution.

[Anonymous No.3793339]

come touch my fucking little nutsack

i cant touch it because i shoved both my arms up my asshole

[Anonymous No.3793340]

>>3793337
shove a book up your ass kid

[Anonymous No.3793342]

>>3793336
What is this craigslist

[Anonymous No.3793344]

>>3793337
>no connection between marxism and a successful revolution

[Anonymous No.3793347]

>>3793340
>i'll call him kid or faggo
>that will rhetorically checkmate him

[Anonymous No.3793348]

>>3793304
>bringing up religion when somebody is being a privileged white kid
>1/10

>>3793308
>not someone we want in country, obviously
>we =/= me

>>3793328
Could be social factors, for example the way jobs and kids dont mix well in Germany but seem to work fine in Scandinavian countries.

[Anonymous No.3793350]

>>3793344
see
>>3790085
>>3790101
case closed

[Lucifer No.3793351]

>>3793347
I am a Magus, a Magus with a little dick and a requirement for a huge wand. Got one?

[Anonymous No.3793354]

>>3789633

[Anonymous No.3793355]

>>3793331
But many of the native population dont know most laws or how to use a PC besides opening a browser and thats not just jobless guys, even at work I encountered so many people who fail at that. (in a fucking office)

[Anonymous No.3793357]

>>3793350
Whats wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.3793359]

[Anonymous No.3793364]

>>3793354
His fucking beard could take over the world.

[Anonymous No.3793365]

>>3789633
If you want to call Maoism Marxism.

[Lucifer No.3793366]

>>3793354
>>3793359
Beaners!

[Anonymous No.3793371]

>>3793364
>The Cuban revolutionary army will never liberate your country from the neoliberal monster

[Anonymous No.3793375]

>>3793355
Thats a problem for our education system. If knowing how to read/write, knowledge of certain laws, things like basic computer skills, and knowledge of a single trade skill makes you better then the natives then we have some seriously fucking problems son.

[Anonymous No.3793377]

>>3793357
even a barn door can become a jet if you attach a big engine. but its still a barn door.

usually you dont get billions from a capitalist empire to finance your revolution.

and as a byproduct it fucked over german marxists too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Parvus

[Anonymous No.3793384]

Capitalism if done properly is leads to outsourcing (see, made in china), which leads to the suffering of third worlders and the existence of a "third world", and then leads to a bad economy (see 2008 recession)

Capitalism is a codeword for the greed of a powerful few. These few live only in the present and have an unquenchable desire for material things and economic power.

Any system is better than this, but we are at a point where it is near impossible for a system system to be introduced by and from the people and now has to be introduced by the powerful.

[Anonymous No.3793386]

>>3793377
>usually you dont get billions from a capitalist empire to finance your revolution.
Financial support nothing uncommon, almost every revolution got sponsored by somebody who thought it will make him profit. From USA over Vietnam to the current ones in middle east, it runs through history.

[Anonymous No.3793390]

>>3793386
Could you give a few examples? I'm always interested in historical tidbits like that.

[Anonymous No.3793394]

>>3793386
>almost every revolution got sponsored by somebody who thought it will make him profit

Fucking cynic, what is people with lots of money who want to do their part to support the revolution?

[Anonymous No.3793409]

>>3793365
nope

>>3793354
fidel castro is probably legit, yeah

[Anonymous No.3793410]

>>3793357
>>3790313
>>3790377

[Anonymous No.3793412]

>>3793394

the people who financed lenin did it with the intention of destroying russia.

id say it was a fairly succesful venture.

[Anonymous No.3793418]

Daily reminder that Gramsci was of Albanian extraction. Do not forget this.

[Anonymous No.3793430]

>>3793418
hey cumskin

get it? cumskin

[Anonymous No.3793433]

>>3793430
I don't. Are you a churlish jew?

[Anonymous No.3793435]

>>3793433
Go back to /pol/, goy

[Anonymous No.3793478]

>>3793390
You mean besides the one mentioned? I have rather hard time thinking of a revolution that wasnt sponsored, maybe the French one or the one in Iran (which failed because of sponsored counter efforts but its pretty much the same I guess) but then again, I never cared much about history and just tried to learn the very basics.

>>3793394
Pretty sure, the main motivation is rarely that innocent, though sure there can be some rich people who just agreed with the revolutionaries.

[Anonymous No.3793481]

>>3793478
>pretty sure
On what authority?

[Anonymous No.3793482]

>>3793481
>I never cared much about history and just tried to learn the very basics.

Never mind, retard.

[Anonymous No.3793493]

>>3793158
That's why national socialism is the best socialism.

[Anonymous No.3793513]

>>3793482
>how do you dare not to perfectly know everything

>>3793481
Basic knowledge about human nature? Can you name some of the people, who supported any revolution and didnt expect to profit from it somehow?

[Anonymous No.3793521]

>>3793493
you think nordics are germanic or aryan enough for this shit?

>"Socialism," he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, pugnaciously, "is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
>Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal.
http://trhfaq.tripod.com/af.html

[Anonymous No.3793540]

>>3793521
>nords
>less germanic than anyone

lel

[Anonymous No.3793544]

I want /pol/ to leave.

[Anonymous No.3793612]

>>3792704
I am Dutch aswell as leftist, you assuming punk. Welfare is only possible with the exploitation of foreign workers so fuck off with your simpleton solutions. If you want to maintain the standard of living you have now, don't expect to relieve Africans from starvation anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.3793620]

i think marxism is dead . we need revolutionary XXI nihilists

[Anonymous No.3793622]

>>3793513
>Basic knowledge about human nature?

Obviously you're the edgy young type. Always with the human nature and of course always painting it as a negative thing.

Go keep getting educated by your Hollywood movies, kid.

[Anonymous No.3793628]

>>3793612
>Welfare is only possible with the exploitation of foreign workers
explain
sounds like massive neoliberal bullshit

[Anonymous No.3793629]

>>3793612
>leftist
>hypocrite
Not surprised at all.

[Anonymous No.3793644]

>tfw being on welfare is a continuous source of pleasure because in addition to getting free money I entertain the thought of stuck up cunts actually toiling for it

[Anonymous No.3793657]

>>3793644
>i'm a loser
>look at me!

[Anonymous No.3793658]

>>3793644
>implying marginal disutility is still big enough for somebody to "toil" in modern industrial nations

[Anonymous No.3793677]

>>3793657
>live exactly like I want to
>loser

>>3793658
All work is toil.

[Anonymous No.3793698]

>>3793658
>>3793677
There is no harder contest than the contest for bread

[Anonymous No.3793699]

>>3793677
It doesn't matter if you are living the way you want to. You're still scum.

>all work is toll
>says you
>implying that's true in the first place

Enjoy that low IQ of yours.

[Anonymous No.3793702]

>>3793677
not if you get paid your fair share

this is another big problem with marxism:
they predict that the worker is powerless and should not fight for his rights within the system, because he is said to be systematically weaker than the capitalist class. the only salvation would be revolution. and revolution would only come if capitalism is left to itself so it will naturally destroy itself.
so ironically the same guy who says that "religion is opium of the people"... creates a manifesto and a theory that becomes extra powerful opium of the workers.

[Anonymous No.3793706]

>>3793699
>accepting that pursuing the standard definition of "success" is a meaningful way to live ones live

enjoy that low iq of yours

[Anonymous No.3793707]

>>3793698
You aren't profound, kid.

[Anonymous No.3793709]

>>3793699
>mfw i've transcended the standards and peer pressure of the herd

Calvin pls go

[Anonymous No.3793712]

>>3793709
>>3793706
>wahhh why won't this guy accept me being unethical! le master nihlist

[Anonymous No.3793713]

>>3793657

Actually he's winning the money you're losing by doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.3793715]

>>3793702
The full quote from Karl Marx is: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".

[Anonymous No.3793723]

>>3793713
Who cares? Man how do I find people like you? The world can definitely benefit from the death of people like you.

[Anonymous No.3793724]

>>3793712
anyone who can support their lifestyle on welfare is probably being MORE ethical than they would be if working, consequently freeing up jobs for people who wouldn't be able to support their desired or required lifestyle on a welfare income. as well as not adding to downward wage pressure which benefits everyone(this is why welfare and unemployment exist, to prevent downward wage pressure).

[Anonymous No.3793726]

>>3793713
Also you are failing at your own edginess as defining success by money.

>still a loser

[Anonymous No.3793730]

>>3793709
>look at me so cool
>let me post a pic of a dead white male that makes me so cool

[Anonymous No.3793733]

>>3793724
How many threads about depression and/or suicide have you made during your illustrious /lit/ career?

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793738]

>>3793709

>18
>unemployed
>parents pay my apartment
>parents pay my food
>parents pay my alcohol
>go to college
>spend my days getting drunk and reading with my 15 years old girlfriend

Bow down before the superior leech lifestyle.

[Anonymous No.3793743]

>>3793724
pretty sure this is that "cynic" kid

[Anonymous No.3793747]

>>3793738
Wow you're so alternative. what a visionary

[Anonymous No.3793748]

>>3793738
How do you have any self-worth?

[Anonymous No.3793750]

>>3793738
State pays for my everything and I don't have to go to school and be around puberty sufferers. I like mine more.

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793756]

>>3793748
I don't think my current social context affects my worth as a human being.

[Anonymous No.3793757]

>>3793748
>deriving your self-worth from how decent a citizen you are

laughing illegalists.exe

[Anonymous No.3793758]

>>3793628
Seconded. Exploitation isnt necessary for welfare state, although we would need to tone down our living standard a bit, to make it possible around everywhere. Sucks not to buy 3 cars.

>>3793712
What unethical about welfare? Even if he just cashes it, doing nothing but jerking off to anime porn?

>>3793733
Depression is usually a social problem, because people are taught to have irrational hatred on niggas living on welfare from our neoliberal friends.


>>3793738
>15 years old girlfriend
Enjoy discussions about Justin Bieber with her.

[Anonymous No.3793761]

>>3793756
I don't give a shit. I'll kill you anyways.

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793762]

>>3793758
>Enjoy discussions about Justin Bieber with her.
More like about Rimbaud, though.

[Anonymous No.3793763]

>>3793761
lolwut

[Anonymous No.3793764]

>>3793762
Thats some weird ass 15 years old you got there.

[Anonymous No.3793768]

>>3793764
>WAHH WHY AREN'T YOU NOMRAL! GO OUTSIDE! BE NORMAL!

[Anonymous No.3793769]

>>3793707
That's okay, it wasn't me gramps.

[Anonymous No.3793771]

>>3793768
Just meant that its pretty atypical. No need for the special snowflake boner.

[Anonymous No.3793773]

>>3793769
so kool

yah
fuk skool
just a joke u know

so kool

[Anonymous No.3793775]

>>3793771
You're projecting.

Obviously you have a homosexual love for justin.

[Anonymous No.3793776]

>>3793773
A quote's no joke, broke.

[Anonymous No.3793779]

>>3793775
Okay, I confess, I do. Its amazing how you determined it so fast. Hope my boyfriend will never find out...

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793785]

>>3793764
I once ran with her and a few friends on the street with wine bottles in our pockets spilling over our pants; it was raining and she was reading (screaming) Howl, while I was bleeding from a cut from a badly sabered bottle; we were throwing vinyls in the air and laughing, I started to read a passage of Eugene Onegin. It was pretty awesome.

She's halfway between Dolokhov and Dean Moriarty.

[Anonymous No.3793787]

hissss

[Anonymous No.3793791]

>>3793785
Sounds like a fantasy straight out of some sort of teenage girl movie.

which is what it is

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793793]

>>3793791
What kind of teenage girl movie do you watch?

[Anonymous No.3793794]

>>3793791
Stop ruining it nigger. Let the guy dream.

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793796]

>>3793793
movies*

[Anonymous No.3793797]

>>3793794
no, he's degrading literature

[Anonymous No.3793798]

>>3793785
A fifteen year old girl saying the words "I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked" is not a good image.

[Anonymous No.3793801]

>>3793798
with the other hand on her white iPhone, I like where this is going

[Anonymous No.3793804]

>>3793798
muh gender roles

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793805]

>>3793794
>>3793791
What kind of lives do you guys lead for finding this kind of stuff worthy of fantasy? I've been doing this kind of nights since I'm 15 or 16; there was nothing spectacular or special about this. Don't you just sometimes go out and drink beyond thirst then keep drinking, before taking out Une Saison en Enfers and declaiming some of it before your friends?

[Anonymous No.3793809]

>>3793805
No you fucking idiot, first of all I find all alcohol to taste like shit and only drink red wine for health reasons. And then when I was 15/16 I was studying math and philosophy and not ruining my brain.

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793812]

>>3793809
So was I, but they're not mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.3793810]

>>3793801
No, the other hand on her rock hammer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgztPP_CWNQ

>>3793804
Yes, the issue here is gender roles.

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793811]

>>3793798
It was in French, though.

"J'ai vu les meilleurs esprits de ma génération détruits par la folie..."

[Anonymous No.3793814]

>>3793785
Nice try, I saw that Skins episode.

[Anonymous No.3793815]

>>3793805
>dat shitty liver

[Anonymous No.3793816]

>>3793798
>doesn't like Sade novels

[Anonymous No.3793821]

>>3793805
They're just jelly they don't live like Dionysian bohemians. You're not alone friend, stay strong.

[Anonymous No.3793817]

>>3793814
>mfw people have that kind of reaction

[Anonymous No.3793824]

>>3793814
Why isn't there a Skins episode where the kids watch an episode of Skins instead of having "interesting" lives?

[Anonymous No.3793825]

>>3793812
No you weren't and yes they are.

kill all drunks

[Anonymous No.3793831]

>>3793824
That one ugly ginger guy in the third generation comes close with his dual monitor set-up to watch porn with.

[Anonymous No.3793833]

>>3793825
Tell us about daddy.

[Anonymous No.3793835]

>>3793833
>women don't get drunk

[Anonymous No.3793836]

>>3793814
Imagine if this was true and skins had class and featured people reading Howl or Pushkin.

[Anonymous No.3793841]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THIS THREAD

[Anonymous No.3793846]

>>3793836
But that's Hackers

[Anonymous No.3793847]

>>3793785
I wonder how you look like.

[Anonymous No.3793849]

>>3793841
Vocal NEET minority rustling matters and angered reactionaries taking it from there. As always.

[Anonymous No.3793859]

>>3793849
ur so enghltiend
got it al lfigured out

[Anonymous No.3793860]

>>3793847

[Anonymous No.3793866]

>>3793859
funny you say that because according to my master i'm quite close

[Anonymous No.3793870]

>>3793860
is that ur boyfriend

[Anonymous No.3793872]

>>3793860
only ugly gayboys pose at an angle

[Anonymous No.3793894]

>>3793860
What a cute little alcoholic we have here!

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793895]

>>3793847

[Anonymous No.3793903]

>>3793895
would fuck you over ur gf that's for sure

not even gay or bisexual

[Anonymous No.3793908]

>>3793903
Whats wrong with her? Looks like a solid 7 Id say.

[Anonymous No.3793910]

>>3793895
Looks like a blend between johnny depp and oscar wilde

[Anonymous No.3793913]

>>3793715
yes

and marxism is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a better world (loading...), and the soul of better conditions (loading...)

connection reset by peer

[Anonymous No.3793915]

>>3793909
post her then

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.3793917]

>>3793805
>>3793785
>>3793895
why is this so funny to me

[Tallis !!DxrlCMGAS2J No.3793918]

>>3793903
That's not my girlfriend though, and she usually looks better than this.

[Anonymous No.3793923]

>>3793910
And what about the guy?

[Anonymous No.3793924]

>>3793918
post ur girlfriend u shallow slut

another pic of u, side pic, lets compare jaws

[Anonymous No.3793929]

>>3793895
damn nigga, das kawaii

nudes?

[Anonymous No.3793930]

>>3793923
rofl

[Anonymous No.3793933]

>>3793923
8/10

[Anonymous No.3793943]

>tfw /lit/ goes /soc/ because of an argument

[Anonymous No.3793947]

>fishing for compliments

[Anonymous No.3794012]

>>3793947
>not doing the same if you can

[Anonymous No.3794056]

>>3794012
Are you actually serious?

[Anonymous No.3794099]

>>3794056
>not being actually serious

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