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ITT suicide philosophy

>> No.3789024

it's against the will of God

repent, heathen

>> No.3789027

>>>/r9k/

>> No.3789030

>>3788981
Don't. You might get reborn in an even worse life. Think about it, the universe/god made you once without your consent , it'll do it again!

>> No.3789040

Kantianism.

>> No.3789089

Don't do it. You're going to die anyway, so you should do exactly what you want, when you want, while you're alive. And if things get too bad as a result of this hedonistic life, you can always just kill yourself later.

Only allow yourself to die after you're satisfied with life. Also, don't fall into some 9-5 spending the evening eating take out and watching TV, there's no point to living like that, unless maybe you had a loving family but that's unlikely.

>> No.3789099

Yeah, I've never heard of suicide being discussed/advocated in philosophy.

The things closest to even mentioning suicide are existentalism and absurdism, in which suicide is pretty much denounced ("lel suicide wat the fuck? YOLO").

>> No.3789126

>>3789099
Hume discussed it:

http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/suicide.htm#A1

>> No.3789801

>>3789089
>You're going to die anyway, so you should do exactly what you want, when you want, while you're alive.
What suicidal people want to do is to die, sillybeans. You don't find many of them going 'thanks m8, forgot i wanted to ride a jetski, i'm going to hang on for a few more years'. The very reason they want to die is because they don't have anything worth living for or the pain of living itself is too unbearable. Not generally the types to be tempted by a holiday.

>> No.3789803
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3789803

Substance dualism

>> No.3789805

The euthanasia/right to die movement has some pretty intredasting philosophy tangled up in ethics and morality. For the most part they do a good job in removing the issue from its immediate emotional reaction.

That is only if you are into contemporary philosophy though.

>> No.3789815

>>3788981

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegesias_of_Cyrene

>> No.3789821

>>3789801
Depends why he's suicidal and exactly how suicidal he is. Some people just want to avoid life and think living is banal and tedious, which it doesn't have to be if you don't want it to be.

>> No.3789825
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3789825

>>3788981
Schopenhauer and Camus notably dealt with suicide. All the same, I'd never suggest it (suicide) to anyone. Things could get better. Even if it doesn't seem like it. (Folks with painful terminal diseases may be excepted from this. That's a tough deal there.)

>> No.3789859

>>3789821
Well that's true. The solution seems to me to remove things rather than add them though. I haven't felt depressed since I have sweet government money coming in.

>> No.3789865

>>3789859
I feel like that ties into what I'm saying. Getting on the autismbux is just another way to avoid the tedium, since you're free to do whatever you want all day. It's not unusual to become disillusioned with life if you're forced to follow a schedule that someone else has laid out for you if you expect to afford daily necessities.

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3789872

>>3789865
The NEETlife is hard work as well though. Most people succumb to society's spooks and slip into shameful depression.

>> No.3791010

bump

>> No.3791026

>>3789027
Please don't say that.

>> No.3791038

It's not very reasonable to live a life you have assessed you cannot properly live.
That's basically how the Stoics saw it, can't see much there to disagree with besides a problematic argument about mental illnesses' ability to skew the assessment of that state: the mental illness itself could be the assessment and therefore sufficient reason.
Life is not inherently good, it has to be made so. If it can't, why persist?

>> No.3791040

Violent implosions are best.

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3791043

>no friends
>will die a wizard
>shit miserable job
>find no enjoyment in anything
>see no way life can improve
>when I am not sleeping or working I am mostly sitting on 4chan bored out of my mind

What should I do? I probably wont kill myself now cause I still have some hope but I probably wont make it past 25

>> No.3791050

>>3789099
Read more

>> No.3791053

>>3791043
By the sound of it you've never experienced the kind of desperation that suicide requires. People are driven to suicide and your life doesn't have the fucking horsepower.

>> No.3791063

le derpette: My life sucks holy fuck it's all meaningless what do I do

Camus: Imagine Sisyphus happy ;)

le derpette: B-bu- wha? In practical terms what do I do I'm close to the edge here!

Camus: *stifling laughter* Embrace the absurd

[le derpette commits suicide]

Camus: Haha, there goes another one boys, put it on the tally!

>> No.3791083

http://www.costes.org/yoga01.htm this will help.

>> No.3791177

bump

I think Camus would have commited suicide if he wasn't a famous writer with many girls and moneys

>> No.3791368

>>3791083
>http://www.costes.org/yoga01.htm
What exactly is going on here...

>> No.3791408

>>3791177

He did smoke like a chimney. Maybe he was just a giant pussy.

>> No.3791435

Suicide can be useful, but in very extreme situations. The japanese have a tradition of committing harakiri, and so have ancient romans with their poison rings. But really, there is no philosophy attached to it, it is only a tool, though many people today like to romanticize it. If you do worry yourself with these kinds of thoughts I would suggest studying for a meaning in something, or if you are not so dismissive of religion you might want to go in depth in buddhism (in my experience it is the most thought evoking and engaging religion yet to be made).

>> No.3791457

>>3791435
what the fuck are you saying.

>> No.3791476

>>3791457
i understood it fine what are you saying

>> No.3792323

>>3789815
So interesting... I wish I could get my hands on that book

>> No.3792703

>>3791063
Be silent now.

>> No.3792778

>>3791026
Why not?