>"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger." >Spends the last year of his life locked up and insane from Syphilis. >Dies of a stroke. So how full of shit was Nietzsche?

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Anonymous Fri May 24 19:08:18 2013 No.3788706 [Reply] [Original]

>"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger."
>Spends the last year of his life locked up and insane from Syphilis.
>Dies of a stroke.

So how full of shit was Nietzsche?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:10:17 2013 No.3788712 Well it did kill him. Checkm8

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:10:17 2013 No.3788711 But it did kill him, and so didn't make him stronger. I don't see any contradiction here.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:11:17 2013 No.3788718 File: 432 KB, 1024x737, Dementia_Nietzsche.jpg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3788706 Fully.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:11:17 2013 No.3788715 >>3788711 >>3788712 The stroke was unrelated.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:12:17 2013 No.3788719 I want to give Nietzche a hug. But if I went back and time and did it about the moment this photo was taken he'd probably screaming how I'm a weakling that's holding him down.

Anonymous Fri May 24 19:15:17 2013 No.3788728

>"The road to creativity passes so close to the madhouse and often detours or ends there." Ernest Becker

Nietzsche's eventual insanity only proves the sincerity of his message. He wasn't some Jew trickster. Reading Nietzsche, you know that he believed what he wrote.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:21:17 2013 No.3788746 Didnt Christopher Hitchens play with this phrase in one of his articles shortly before he bit it?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:22:17 2013 No.3788749 >>3788728 >>>/pol/ The average Ashkenazim selling hummus in the streets of Tel Aviv has more brain power than the demented Freddy. Deal with it, mullet.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:26:17 2013 No.3788763 File: 1022 KB, 273x347, u8BFJ.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3788749 Haha, I knew that someone would latch onto that last bit rather than the point.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:31:18 2013 No.3788772 >>3788763 Yeah, as predictable as barely literate stormfags polluting this place.

>>	sage sage Fri May 24 19:37:17 2013 No.3788785 File: 300 KB, 312x263, jlAWmPN.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3788763 >make the only intelligent point in the thread >stormfag pollution! Alright, have fun with this troll topic, blademaster.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:42:17 2013 No.3788807 >implying his mind didn't just transcend his body

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:47:17 2013 No.3788822 File: 559 KB, 400x276, 1368340595128.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3788785 >'blademaster' for edgy dammit

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 19:47:17 2013 No.3788820 >>3788715 >stroke >unrelated to sitting around like a plant for 10 years top lel

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 20:00:18 2013 No.3788862 >>3788718 should be "for idolization" fucking idiot

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 20:06:17 2013 No.3788880 >>3788862 Qué?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:22:18 2013 No.3789140 File: 42 KB, 270x300, whoaaa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Overrated fuck. Some of his work is decent enough to read through once, but not much more than that. I've fallen for Schopenhauer and prefer his brand of pessimism and nihilism.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:24:18 2013 No.3789145 >>3788706 He always looks so sad in this pic :( I haven't even read his philosophy but I just want to sit next to him and rub his shoulder or something and tell him we'll get through this :((

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:30:20 2013 No.3789151 what sort of insecure little bitch keeps making these threads...

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:41:18 2013 No.3789176 Im sure even god was a hypocrite; your welcome nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:44:18 2013 No.3789180 >>3788719 Nah, Nietzsche was a gentleman in person.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 24 23:56:19 2013 No.3789193 >>3789140 >his brand of pessimism and nihilism. Nietzsche is neither of those things, so don't make the comparison.

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>>	Definitely Not P !p/dpBgmya. Sat May 25 00:14:17 2013 No.3789215 >>3788749 Except Tel Aviv is mostly Sephardim. Checkmate zog. Sorry, I'm Jewish too. Couldn't resist.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 00:47:18 2013 No.3789244 >>3789140 >nihilism What, the passive kind?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 00:57:21 2013 No.3789250 >you will know them by their fruits so why would I consider the words of men who died miserable and insane?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:18:35 2013 No.3789276 >>3789250 deeds are what you do, not what happens to you, even Jesus got flogged and tortured

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:20:35 2013 No.3789279 >>3789276 Going insane and being miserable has very much to do with what you do and how you think.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:20:35 2013 No.3789281 >>3789279 so does getting crucified and spit on

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:23:34 2013 No.3789288 >>3789281 Jesus was a fine enough fellow before being apprehended, while Nietzsche basically deteriorated without many people touching him.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:28:35 2013 No.3789298 >>3789145 maybe you will, but he wont...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:29:34 2013 No.3789300 >>3789288 >while Nietzsche basically deteriorated without many people touching him. but he contracted a disease that ruined his brain...what are you trying to say?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 01:31:33 2013 No.3789302 >>3788749 >>3788728 You goys do know that Nietzsche said that the Joos were the purest and strong race in all of Europe, right? And that Germoney was weak as fuck for hating the jews and trying to pass laws to ban them?

Anonymous Sat May 25 01:36:34 2013 No.3789311

>>3789302

He praised some aspects of jewish culture, like how it gave rise to Jesus the most noble human ever.

But he also critiqued them a lot more than he praised them, " “the youthful Jew of the stock exchange is the most repugnant invention of the whole human race.”
"their souls have never known chivalrous noble sentiments."

Anonymous Sat May 25 01:42:35 2013 No.3789318

>>3789311
Paragraph 251 of Beyond Good and Evil:

"But jews are, undoubtedly, the strongest, most tenacious and purest race that lives, in these days, in Europe; they know how to impose themselves even in the worst conditions (even more than in favourable ones)[...]"

Yeah, he may have criticisms (I can't find a thing Nietzsche hasn't criticised), but still, it's a pretty bold statement. Even more when you take in consideration that he is widely regarded as a "spiritual founding father" of nazism.

Anonymous Sat May 25 02:01:34 2013 No.3789336

nietzsche was pretty revolutionary for his time, most of his work is outdated now though.
he laid the foundation for the liberal theologians of the 20th century, showed the incompleteness of the death of god in the modern atheist critique, and helped kickstart a trend towards embracing subjectivity.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 02:21:34 2013 No.3789355 >>3789336 >most of his work is outdated now though. how so? we haven't had a good philosopher since nietzsche

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 04:19:34 2013 No.3789467 >>3789355 AHAHAHAHAHAHA!! It's top much, stop it, I'm choking! AHAHA!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 04:39:33 2013 No.3789479 File: 13 KB, 400x261, 9MW8l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3789355 It is hard to be a teenager, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 04:40:34 2013 No.3789481 >>3789355 Wittgenstein came after Nietzsche, if you didn't know.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 05:24:34 2013 No.3789532 >This board full of stupid religious Amerifats. >That bile against Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 05:41:33 2013 No.3789540 Another fucking FN thread jesus christ.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:02:33 2013 No.3789549 >>3789481 Who is wittgenstein? Never heard anything about him. Stop circlejerking about unimportant things

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:23:33 2013 No.3789559 >>3789318 >he is widely regarded as a "spiritual founding father" of nazism. That's because nazis are fucking dumb. Maybe german nationalism was one of the things Nietzsche hated the most.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:24:33 2013 No.3789561 >>3789355 wut >>3789549 confirmed for troll or someone who should not be on /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:33:33 2013 No.3789573 >>3788746 He thought Nietzsche was full of shit. H e thought what doesn't kill you makes you stronger was a pile of bollocks, referring to his cancer

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 06:35:33 2013 No.3789577 Last philosopher who obeyed his own teaching's was Diogenes.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 09:39:33 2013 No.3789789 >>3789573 His cancer did kill him, Chrissyhitch was a decadent pile of failed instinct and a halfwit. His few tiresome atheist critiques and political writing don't acquire him the right to even glance at the big boys.

Anonymous Sat May 25 09:45:34 2013 No.3789796

>>3789577
Then you're forgetting Crates. And probably a lot of other Cynics. Most Epicureans also tended to keep to their path quite well (since it's a rather pleasant one) and there were a lot of Stoics quite well at being a Stoic too. Diogenes could rather be seen as one of the first ones with an emphasis on very practica lifestyle philosophy as it were. But as for sticking to your convictions, this is still alive to this day. Just look at some of the modern Buddhist masters for example. Or the boys locked up at the Grande Chartreuse. Maybe not exactly philosophers or founders of philosophy, but nonetheless followers of one in a very strict and dedicated way. Integrity isn't dead yet. If anything I would say it's making a return.

I've recently read that the religious hermit scene in the west has gotten quite a boost in the last few years. I guess there's more and more people looking for something else again now that they realise economical flourishing isn't the pinnacle of achievement for a person.

Anonymous Sat May 25 10:59:34 2013 No.3789915

"The good fortune of my existence, its uniqueness perhaps, lies in
its fatefulness: I am to express it in the form of a riddle, as my father,
already dead, as my mother still alive and growing old. This dual
origin, as if derived from the highest and lowest rungs on the ladder of
life, at the same time a décadent and a beginning — this if anything
explains that neutrality, that freedom from faction in relation to the
total problem of life which perhaps distinguishes me. I have a finer
nose for the signs of ascent and descent than any man has ever had, I
am the teacher par excellence of this — I know both, I am both. — My
father died at the age of thirty-six: he was soft, kind, and morbid, like
a being destined only to pass by — more a goodly memory of life than
life itself. In the same year that his life went on the decline, so did
mine: in the thirty-sixth year of my life I reached the lowest point of
my vitality — I still lived, but without being able to see three steps in
front of me. At that time — it was 1879 — I resigned my Basel
professorship, lived through the summer like a shadow in St. Moritz,
and the following winter, the most sun-starved of my life, as a shadow
in Naumburg. This was my low point: “The Wanderer and His
Shadow” originated during that time. Undoubtedly I knew about
shadows then..."

Anonymous Sat May 25 11:00:34 2013 No.3789918

>>3789915

"In the winter that followed, my first winter in Genoa,
that sweetening and spiritualizing which is almost dependent on an
extreme poverty of blood and muscle produced “Daybreak.” The
complete brightness and cheerfulness, even exuberance of spirit,
reflected in the said work, is compatible in my case not only with the
deepest physiological weakness, but even with an excess of the feeling
of pain. In the midst of the torments of an uninterrupted three day
brain-pain accompanied by troublesome vomiting of phlegm — I
possessed a dialectical clarity par excellence and thought very coldbloodedly through things for which in healthier circumstances I am not enough of a social climber, not cunning enough, not cold enough.
My readers perhaps know to what extent I regard dialectic as a
symptom of decadence, in the most famous case of all, for example: the
case of Socrates. "

Anonymous Sat May 25 11:00:34 2013 No.3789922

>>3789918

"All morbid disturbances of the intellect, even that
semi-stupor attendant with fever, have remained to this day alien
things to me, about whose nature and frequency I had to first obtain
information in a scholarly way. My blood courses slowly. No one has
ever been able to confirm fever in me. A doctor who treated me for
some time as a nervous case finally said: “No! there is nothing wrong
with your nerves, it is simply I myself who am nervous.” Absolutely no
demonstrable local degeneration of any sort; no organically
conditioned stomach complaint, however much of a profound
weakness of the gastric system there may be though as a consequence
of general exhaustion. Also the eye trouble, at times coming
dangerously close to blindness, only an effect, not a cause: so that with
every increase in vital strength my strength of vision has also
increased again. A long, all too long series of years signifies recovery
for me — unfortunately it also signifies at the same time relapse,
decline, periods of a kind of decadence. After all that, must I say that I
am experienced in questions of decadence?"

Anonymous Sat May 25 11:01:34 2013 No.3789924

>>3789922

" I have spelled them out
forwards and backwards. Even that filigree-art of prehension and
comprehension in general, that finger for nuances, that psychology of
“seeing round the corner,” and whatever else is characteristic of me,
was acquired only then, is the true gift of that time in which
everything became more refined for me, observation itself together
with all the organs of observation. Looking out from a sick perspective
toward healthier concepts and values, and again conversely, looking
down out of the abundance and self-assurance of a rich life into the
secret working of the instinct of décadence, that was my longest
exercise, my true experience, if there be any at all in which I became
master. I have it now in hand, I have a hand for it, reversing perspectives:
prime reason why a “revaluation of values” is perhaps possible for me
alone."

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 11:02:35 2013 No.3789925 >>3789577 Jesus

Anonymous Sat May 25 11:02:35 2013 No.3789926

>>3789924

"Apart from the fact that I am a décadent, I am also the opposite of
it. My proof of this, among other things, that I have always chosen the
right means against bad conditions: while the décadent always chooses
the means harmful to himself. As summa summarum, I was healthy, as an
angle, as a specialty, I was décadent. That energy for absolute isolation
and separation from accustomed circumstances, the self-opposed
compulsion to no longer let myself be looked after, waited on, doctored
to — that betrayed an unconditional instinct of certitude about what
was needed at that time. I took myself by the hand, I made myself
healthy again: the stipulation for this — every physiologist will admit
it — is that one is fundamentally healthy. A typically morbid being cannot
become healthy, nor even less can he make himself healthy; on the
other hand, for a typically healthy person being sick can even be an
energetic stimulus to life, to more life. Thus in fact that long period of
sickness now seems to me: I discovered life anew, as it were, myself
included, I tasted all good and even small things in a way others could
not easily taste — I made my philosophy out of my will to health, to
life..."

Nietzsche - ecce homo

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 11:13:35 2013 No.3789942 >>3789926 What a glorious writer he was.

>>	satan !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 Sat May 25 11:36:57 2013 No.3789977 pls Jesus Christ destroy everyone in this thraad

>>	Anonymous Sat May 25 11:39:56 2013 No.3789987 Wow.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 06:42:55 2013 No.3792576 Am Meursault. Don't care about the future.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 06:44:55 2013 No.3792579 >>So how full of shit was Nietzsche? Up to his eyeballs.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:04:56 2013 No.3794205 >>3788706 Does someone have this exact picture but with the caption: "now, allow me to ripe the fruits of my DEMENTIA" or something like that

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:07:56 2013 No.3794210 >>3789140 >fallen for ur a fag dud

Anonymous Sun May 26 19:20:55 2013 No.3794234

"I pretty well know my privileges as a writer; in some cases it has
even been made plain to me how much getting used to my writings
“spoils” one’s taste. One simply cannot stand other books, least of all,
philosophical books. It is a distinction without equal to enter this
noble and subtle world — one must absolutely not be a German; it is
in the end a distinction one must have earned. He, however, who is
related to me through loftiness of will experiences true ecstasies of
learning thereby: for I come from heights to which no bird has ever
flown, I know abysses into which no foot has ever gone astray. People
have told me that once they begin it is impossible to put down a book
of mine — I even disturb a peaceful night’s sleep...There is absolutely
no prouder and at the same time more refined kind of book than mine
are — they attain here and there the highest that can be attained on
earth, namely, cynicism; even so, to conquer them one must have the
softest fingers as well as the bravest fists. Every infirmity of the soul
excludes one from them, once and for all, every form of dyspepsia: one
must have no nerves, one must have a joyful belly. Not only the
poverty, the crooked air of a soul excludes one, even more so the
cowardly, the unclean, the secret vengefulness in the innards: a word
from me brings all these bad instincts to the surface."

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:21:55 2013 No.3794237 i actually started reading geneology of morals wanting to like it...but it was kind of contradictory and stupid...i was a bit let down

Anonymous Sun May 26 19:24:55 2013 No.3794244

>>3794237
Some people recommend GoM on here, at best it's like /fa/ telling you to dress gothninja or dadcore, or /a/ telling you to watch Boku no Pico. Or the people spouting that are idiots that don't know what they're talking about. It's one of the worst places to start.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:25:55 2013 No.3794250 >>3789140 >Calls Nietzsche overrated fuck >"I've fallen for the most overrated philosopher to date" I just don't know

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:26:55 2013 No.3794252 >>3794237 2deep4u

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>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:42:55 2013 No.3794276 >>3794271 Somebody doesn't have a joyful belly.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:46:56 2013 No.3794283 >>3794271 He actually admitted the last part and sort of said his ethos of vitality stemmed from his sickness.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:48:55 2013 No.3794290 Plato refuted all of Nietzsche`s doctrines before he was even born.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:52:56 2013 No.3794294 >>3794290 Yes, but Plato was gay.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 19:53:56 2013 No.3794297 >>3794290 Nietzsche is basically a more sadass version of Thrasymachus

Anonymous Sun May 26 20:02:55 2013 No.3794312

>>3794237
>geneology of morals

It takes a little effort to 'get' but it's the only work that retarded German ever produced that gave a worthwhile take away: looking at the social origins of our ethical claims, when questioned can bring about a new reflection.

It was an important ethical discovery because it puts all our own ethical claims under the spotlight. When you think about where our claims come from, you're forced to reexamine them. And that brings a serious questioning of whether or not we should have known better. This kind of thinking was considered dangerous by some, even today it considered taboo.

Nietzsche was a horrible philosopher, but he had one really good idea.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 20:29:55 2013 No.3794369 >>3794297 No. Thrasymachus is too ambitious and political to be in any way comparable to Nietzsche's conception of the powerful individual. Even Socrates is closer than Thrasymachus.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 20:31:55 2013 No.3794372 >>3794312 You can't isolate the genealogy as his only good book. Your stated reasons for liking it give you grounds for appreciating most of the rest of his work.

Anonymous Sun May 26 20:35:55 2013 No.3794380

>>3794312
that's why i wanted to read it because i know foucault used nietzsche's "genealogical method" and i think the main thesis of GoM is ok but the problem i had is the contradiction that the rich/aristrocrats/ruling class/etc. are like that because they are so much more stronger and willful than the pussy ass peasants...and i'm like well ok i can entertain this idea...but wait, doesn't all of the ruling class "life affirming" behavior like fucking mad chicks, being gay, being high all the time, etc. actually show the same kind of "weakness" that the craven masses show? so then i guess it's not a matter of "self-discipline" and being a moral scold to the poor i.e. "you poor because you have poor morals like fucking hookers all day" when he also congratulates the ruling class for the same shit...yeah, ok, the idea that morals are relative is nice...but excuse me i do believe the marxists "discovered" this same idea between bourgeois and proletarian morals, so "meh".

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 20:36:55 2013 No.3794383 what happened to the daily "you better look out [...] all moral values are merely spooks" daily Stirner threads? this thread is a decent/funny substitute though

Anonymous Sun May 26 21:48:55 2013 No.3794550

>>3794372
Yes I can, and I just did. He was a one hit wonder deal with it.

>>3794380
>thesis of GoM is ok
The questioning of ethical origins is not the thesis, the actual thesis was the erroneous claim that Jews inverted axiological terms. His method was unscientific and biased from the get go, but the philosophy that was behind it is the prize.

Nietzsche is strange in that he is probably the only western philosopher who was terrible at doing his own philosophy. This why it takes effort to read his stuff, and it's better to start with his admirers and apologists, working backwards from there. That way when you begin to actually read Nietzsche you won't become distracted by all the racist, sexist, anti-semitic, arrogant egotistical noise that is the bulk of Nietzsche's voice.

Karl Jasper's Nietzsche: An Introduction to the Understanding of His Philosophical Activity is a better approach to hearing the good parts. And is considered a more fair presentation than Heidegger's.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 21:53:55 2013 No.3794567 >>3794550 are you saying the origins of christian morality isn't jewish bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 26 21:55:55 2013 No.3794573 >>3794567 It's also tinged with some Greek bullshit, it should be said

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