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How come Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man is so good? I don't think I've seen any other book fully capture that sense of nostalgia and coziness that childhood memories give us. That first chapter just blew my mind aways.

Every damn passage is so vivid and thick (in the sense that it emanates a feeling of completeness), young Dedalus is one of the most loveable characters in literature.

Every little description is warm and brilliant. Are there any other books like this one? I've read lots of coming-of-age stories, but this one was the best. Can you recommend me some?

>> No.3775019

>>3774969

The Tin Drum.

>> No.3775045
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3775045

>>3774969
It's soooo good. But here's a review to make you rage.

>> No.3775070

>>3775045
>as the reader's voice droned

Why do people listen to audio books? It's the most stupid shit I've ever encountered.

>> No.3775074

>>3774969
>I don't think I've seen any other book fully capture that sense of nostalgia and coziness that childhood memories give us.

You haven't read In Search of Lost Time, then.

>> No.3775076

>>3775019
Except that The Tin Drum is bad.

>> No.3775087

> I don't think I've seen any other book fully capture that sense of nostalgia and coziness that childhood memories give us
>Every little description is warm and brilliant
You should read In Search of Lost Time.

>> No.3775095

>>3775070

because they think reading make you more intelligent, but they don't have time to read, so listening is the second best.

>> No.3775118

>>3775074
>>3775087
I think I will, altough the size is menacing.

>> No.3775123 [DELETED] 

>>3775095
autistic

>> No.3775128

Wait what the fuck is he wearing in the picture

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3775136

>>3775118

That's what she said!

>> No.3775239

>>3775128
What?

>> No.3775255

Can't say any of Joyce's writing is "cozy" to me. It's cold and barren like an Irish coastline. Portrait of the Artist was one of the most depressing things I've read. Not qq depressing, but the soul crushing kind.

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3775301

>>3775045
>Penny

>> No.3775312

portrait is shit imo. really drones on with no progress til you-know-what in the middle

liked the bits of finnegan's wake I read though

>> No.3775314

>>3775136
>just looked them up
mother of jove

>> No.3775342

>>3775255
nigga aint u red Dubliners?

>> No.3775346

>>3775255

>thinks Portrait is depressing
>this nigga hasn't read A Painful Case

;_;

>> No.3775357

>>3775346
>A Painful Case
I was actually surprised at how hard that story hit me.

>> No.3775364

>>3775255
It's that kind of coziness which is hard to explain. Everything around him is gelid, and I can't picture wet stones from the a thin drizzle all around, but Dedalus's descriptions of his infancy (hiding besides the table, between the sheets in the infirmary, the smell of the peasants going to the church) it all gives me a sense of warmth and of vibrant things.

>> No.3775411

this book blew huge cock. If it wasn't Joyce you wouldn't like it.

>> No.3775418

>>3775301
lulz

>> No.3775425

>>3775411
I don't live in an english speaking country, nobody here praises Joyce, no one knows him, there's no prestige to be gained, people are absolutely unaware of his existence and we don't have English Literature classes. I also barely knew the author when I picked up the book.

I'm absolutely unbiased on this one.

>> No.3775433

>>3775425
Then I congratulate you on being able to get more out of it than I did. But my accusation still stands for the majority.

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3775547

that feel when no eyepatch to grab the interest of qt patrician gf

>> No.3775608

>>3774969
I thought Sons and Lovers by DH Lawrence was really good as a coming of age story. Not as good as A Portrait. But definitely readable and enjoyable. Dat ending, manly tears were nearly invoked.

>> No.3775645

>>3775433
No, it doesn't. You're just being silly.

>> No.3775655

>>3775364
I know exactly what you're talking about. My favourite descriptions are the ones of Daedelus leaning against the Library colonnade with his classmates, or the one at the end of the first chapter of the children running around the field on a grey evening. The descriptions of water also have some very particular sentiment about them. It's a wonderful book.

>> No.3775657

Am I right in thinking Ulysses is at least party nostalgic in nature, what with it taking place before the War and on Joyce's first date with Nora and all?

>> No.3775660

>>3775657
partly*

>> No.3775662

>>3775433
>I don't like it, you're all just pretending to because the critics told you to!
I wish people like you didn't exist.

>> No.3776003

>>3775655
Oh God, the one where they go "Huroo"?" That scene just gives me a big feeling of accomplishment. I just felt so happy for Dedalus, and I kept picturing these kids running around, throwing him in the air and goig "Huroo! Huroo!" it's so damn cozy.

>> No.3776021

>>3775433
You sire, you are wrong;

>> No.3776114

>>3775411
>this book blew huge cock. If it wasn't Joyce you wouldn't like it.
This. So much this.

Stop sucking cock, you fucking hipsters.

>> No.3776174

>>3775128
Can't unsee.

>> No.3776216

I loved Dubliners, but I didn't really enjoy this or the half of Ulysses I read. I think Joyce's stream of conscious reads more like an author's thoughts about the situation than the character's. Like he's sitting there watching them act, writing down something he remembers, watching again, something he remembers, and so on. I remember the beach scene in Ulysses where Dedalus takes a piss and turns the stream into a metaphor while moving across several time periods + the dog and the couple and the other dog. The thoughts are too perfect and dense, and I find the over-editing off putting - it's like how speech in literature is much less redundant than real speech, but much more extreme.

Maybe it's intended to be that way - I don't know. But even if it is, in the end of the day the things that Joyce found interesting just aren't that interesting to me. Nor do I really want to get interested them. The references to antiquity maybe, maybe, but all the shit about Ireland? Naw.

>> No.3776542

>>3776216
But in Portrait there really isn't a hard-to-follow stream of consciousness. I haven't read Ulysses, but it boggles my mind that people find Portrait difficult to read or complicated.

>> No.3776551

>>3776542
It would seem that the only thing that boggles you is boggling itself. This is very wise.

>> No.3776552

How come Flann O'Brien is a better writer?

>> No.3776675

>>3776542
>But in Portrait there really isn't a hard-to-follow stream of consciousness. I haven't read Ulysses, but it boggles my mind that people find Portrait difficult to read or complicated.
Way to miss the point of guy's post, you dipshit. Are you even literate?

>> No.3776727

>>3775357
'The Dead' got me pretty hard with the way it hits you completely out of nowhere in the last 10 pages. But on re-reading Dubliners, I always found the most cripplingly depressing atmosphere in 'Little Cloud'.

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3776760

>>3775357
>>3776727

I'm feeling an urge to re-read Dubliners. Damn it.

>> No.3776772

>>3776552
Mah fucking nigga. You should read his polemic on Joyce, absolutely destroys him.

>> No.3776864

>>3776772
>You should read his polemic on Joyce, absolutely destroys him.
Do you have a link or at least a title? I want to read it.

>> No.3776872

>>3776864
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~maelduin/cruiskeen.html

>> No.3777064

Anyone have an ebook of Ellmann's bio of Joyce? Hook a nigga up?

>> No.3777087

>>3776872
>Joyce was illiterate. He had a fabulously developed jackdaw talent of picking up bits and pieces, but it seems his net was too wide to justify getting a few kids' schoolbooks and learning the rudiments of a new language correctly. every foreign-language quotation in any of his works known to me are wrong. His few sallies at Greek are wrong, and his few attempts at a Gaelic phrase are absolutely monstrous. anybody could have told him the right thing. Why did he not bother to ask?

Oof. Even hardcore fans will have to concede to this bit.

>> No.3777094

>>3777087
As a fluent gaelic speaker, he's dead right.

>> No.3777103

>>3777087
It's like his artistic vision and what not. He was being wrong on purpose you numbskulls.

>> No.3777112

>>3777103
How blind I've been!

>> No.3777116

>>3777112
Being American will do that to you.

>> No.3777121

>>3777103
>He was being wrong on purpose

Really, he probably wasn't.

>> No.3777214

>>3775095
>they don't have time to read, so listening is the second best.

But it's quicker to read surely..?

>> No.3777252

And along comes the Joyce-bashing train! Choo Choo! Hop in everybody, this will make you edgy as phuack.

>> No.3777277

>>3777252
Here comes the Joyce wanking train! Choo Choo! Hop in everybody, this will make you smart as fuck. Even if you don't understand a word he's saying.

>> No.3777305

>>3777252
And along comes the someone-posted-something-slightly-critical-of-Joyce-yesterday-but-I'll-go-out-of-my-way-to-insult-them-and-revive-a-dead-debate train! Hop in everybody, this will make you mainstream and passive-aggressive as faulk.

>> No.3777325

>>3777252
>>3777277
>>3777305
Fucking public transport.

>> No.3777498

>>3777305
>yesterday

I posted 20 minutes after some guy.

>> No.3777532

>>3777305
>>3777277
>>3777252
You wait for a bus and then three come along at once, huh?

>> No.3777545

>>3777532
I know. Welcome to Dublin.

>> No.3777766

>>3776872
> blanshardish
What does this even mean? Is it an Irish word? Or is he just making up words to parody Joyce?

>> No.3777774

>>3777766
Could be a reference to Brand Blanshard or Blanchardstown

>> No.3777778

>>3777777

>> No.3778322

>>3777766
It's just bad writing