Science Fiction General numero dos

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Science Fiction General numero dos Anonymous Mon May 13 18:35:03 2013 No.3755072 [Reply] [Original]

Last one turned out great, so lets keep going.

All things science fiction are welcomed. That means no fantasy, sorry.

>Hard SF
>Soft and social SF
>Cyberpunk
>Time travel
>Alternate history
>Military SF
>Superhuman
>Apocalyptic
>Space opera
>Space Western

Topics: whatever you want.

Share what you read generally and at the moment, what's your all time favorite, ask for recommendations, give anons ideas on what to read next, hangout in the thread, etc.

This week's recommendation:

Wool by Hugh Howey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wool_%28series%29

>post-apocalypse
>lots of people living in a giant silo
>different level have different functions (gardens, farms, mechanics, etc.)
>outside world is a desolate, bleak, toxin infested wasteland
>people try to uncover different mysteries about the silo and what happened outside

There are 8 novellas in the series so far with a 9th on the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:36:03 2013 No.3755080 If you haven't tackled the Scientology books, you're a plebby. Deal with that.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:37:03 2013 No.3755085 >>3755080 wat Wrong thread maybe?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:38:03 2013 No.3755092 >>3755085 I can't help you figure out things if your mind is slow. Stay plebby. pats your head

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:40:03 2013 No.3755097 File: 193 KB, 1333x1000, space_cruiser_by_togman_studio.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >scifi general fuck yes!

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:40:03 2013 No.3755099 I'm reading Hyperion right now and I like it a lot. I just finished Silenus' story. I think it's my favorite thus far, which is kind of odd since next to nothing happened in it. I think it was the way it was written.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:43:03 2013 No.3755127 >>3755099 Hyperion was very hit and miss for me. It has some of the best section of any book ever, especially the space stuff, but at other times it gets boring as shit drivel.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:59:03 2013 No.3755183 Dune is at the top, for me, and Foundation trails close behind. Other sci-fi books I recommend are: The Dancers at the End of Time by Moorcock and Hellstrom's Hive by Herbert.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 18:59:03 2013 No.3755186 File: 92 KB, 690x390, shrike.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shrike was here, your god is a fag, your soldiers are pussies and I'm gonna impale you all on my di.... spike..

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 19:02:03 2013 No.3755192 Hyperion and Endimion are the best books I've read so far...

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 19:04:03 2013 No.3755198 >>3755183 >reading moorCOCK >ever >especially in 2011+2 Seriously guy. We might as well discuss shit like gene wolfe.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 19:06:03 2013 No.3755204 File: 31 KB, 302x300, hippie.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3755198 >STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE >>>/v/

Anonymous Mon May 13 19:13:03 2013 No.3755235
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>>3755204
>>3755204
>you - eating shit
>me - "anon stop eating shit"
>you - "HOW DO YOU KNOW IT;S SHIT IF YOU HAVEN'T TRIED IT?". "YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS!"

Pic related, it's you.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 19:57:03 2013 No.3755338 >>3755198 dummy

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 20:09:03 2013 No.3755368 >>3755092 >pats your head Is this a 90s chat room?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 20:12:04 2013 No.3755381 >>3755198 retard

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 20:16:04 2013 No.3755400 >>3755368 >remembers 90s chatrooms perv

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 20:27:04 2013 No.3755437 >>3755183 I'm sorry, I really am... but I giggled at Moorcock...

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 20:30:04 2013 No.3755443 I've actually been looking for some good Science fiction... I like stuff that really seems original. What can you recommend?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 20:30:04 2013 No.3755444 Philip K. Dick. All the SF I'll ever need.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 20:32:04 2013 No.3755452 File: 5 KB, 160x160, tripscheckem.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3755444

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 21:02:03 2013 No.3755542 File: 240 KB, 1065x933, 361 Scan 123110011-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3755099 >>3755127 >>3755186 >>3755192

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 21:03:04 2013 No.3755550 File: 283 KB, 855x782, 12-18-12novash.shrike.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3755099 >>3755127 >>3755186 >>3755192 >>3755542

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 22:51:03 2013 No.3755850 Is 'The Stars My Destination' good? Has anyone here read it? My favorite [spoiler[metal[/spoiler] bands did a song loosely based off it, I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 23:04:04 2013 No.3755887 >>3755550 Anyone have that original pic?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 23:06:04 2013 No.3755893 >>3755850 It's great. Great fun, wildly imaginative, hugely colorful. And I really like the ending a lot. Ahead of its time, as well. Just a classic work of science fiction.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 23:13:04 2013 No.3755908 File: 20 KB, 276x475, 8783677.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I recently dug up this gem from an old shoebox in my garage

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 23:41:03 2013 No.3755987 >>3755198 troll/10

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 23:43:03 2013 No.3755997 >>3755437 If this is the first time you've heard of my man Mike then you're either new to /lit/ or too young to be posting here.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 23:44:03 2013 No.3756001 >>3755850 >>3755893 It really wasn't that great, and the ending was easily the weakest part of the whole. Trite and generic.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 23:49:04 2013 No.3756016 File: 113 KB, 824x872, 1359492675025.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3755072 >reading genre literature

Anonymous Tue May 14 02:59:03 2013 No.3756390

Anyone think Ringworld was a little oddly written? As in it left a little too much to the imagination? I found myself looking for more description of their surroundings

I wish it had been about the world itself, instead of an adventure that happened to take place on a strangely shaped world

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 03:09:03 2013 No.3756408 File: 27 KB, 299x475, Revelation_Space_cover_(Amazon).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there anything more like this? That is hard space sf with no ftl.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 03:10:03 2013 No.3756410 what are the best space operas out there? I've always wanted to read/watch one of those, just no idea where to start.

Anonymous Tue May 14 03:10:03 2013 No.3756414

>>3755444
What do you think of his short stories? A while back I picked up a huge anthology called the Philip K. Dick Reader or something like that, and I was surprised by how pulpy and cheesy a lot of them were, considering how PKD is often held up in mainstream circles as a shining example of "adult" American science fiction.

>>3756016
>trolling sci fi threads

You're better than this, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 03:10:03 2013 No.3756415 >>3756390 >an adventure that happened to take place on a strangely shaped world Every "sci-fi" novel ever written in the history of humankind.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 03:13:04 2013 No.3756418 >>3756410 At the risk of anime-fagging, Legend of the Galactic Heroes is THE space opera. In terms of reading, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of worthwhile space opera, though lots of lowbrow stuff. Try the Culture novels?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 04:04:04 2013 No.3756475 >>3756390 i dropped ringworld almost immediately. i hate starting a book that's touted as "hard science fiction" and being presented with a cast of comical alien characters.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 04:10:03 2013 No.3756480 >>3756390 I read Ringworld at a younr age and it grabbed me right away. I still remember those hoverbikes or whatever they sued to travel around and the food bricks the food dispenser made them. Adventure at it finest.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 04:12:03 2013 No.3756482 >>3756410 Commonwealth Culture Xeelee Saga of the Seven Suns Revelation Space Foundation

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 04:14:04 2013 No.3756487 >>3756408 yes

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 04:14:04 2013 No.3756488 >>3756418 >At the risk of anime-fagging, too late >Legend of the Galactic Heroes is THE space opera. pls go, it's shit and you are shit

Anonymous Tue May 14 04:38:03 2013 No.3756523
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>>3756414
Not the anon you're talking to about PKD, but here are my thoughts.

PKD did make most of his living writing for pulp science fiction magazines (especially when he was younger and still mostly unrecognised), and a lot of his body of work seems to be a blend of pulp stories, with moments of brilliance.

A lot of his early work around the '50s - '60s were also very pulp-like. One such story and novel (sitting on my bookshelf at this moment) is The Crack in Space / Cantata 140. It's a fun read, though the story and style seems almost like a completely different writer when compared to his more successful works. For example, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and Ubik came out a mere three years after this novel (The Crack in Space) and are in a league of their own.

I think the main reason is PKD had been very much a struggling writer through out most of his career, and he was constantly in a state of working on new material. To put it bluntly, sometimes when you need a bit of extra cash, I'm sure breaking grounds or innovating isn't you're main concern.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 05:35:04 2013 No.3756591 Why can't I finish a single book lately /lit/? I used to read books and never skipping even a word. Now i start a book, read 50 pages and start a new one the other day..... why?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 06:19:32 2013 No.3756630 >>3756016 What's wrong with it?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 06:59:31 2013 No.3756683 >>3756630 Nothing is wrong with it. Just too many on this board are snobs and pseudo intellectuals.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 07:29:31 2013 No.3756741 File: 340 KB, 1778x1000, scifi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bought books. Did I do well, /lit/? Need to read some Ballard and Calvino before proceeding to these though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 07:48:53 2013 No.3756798 >>3756741 Seems like a good selection anon, good job,

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 07:54:52 2013 No.3756811 >>3755072 I loved the last thread, OP. Keep on making them!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 07:59:52 2013 No.3756824 Are the Shadowrun novels any good? Is there something like it without the magic apart from the Neuromancer trilogy?

Anonymous Tue May 14 08:12:52 2013 No.3756840

>>3756824
they're really really bad and i'd steer clear unless you have a serious huge boner for shadowrun itself. this is coming from a guy who has a big moderately big boner for the p&p and went in with super lower expectations.

i was not prepared for a badass trenchcoat wearing mage adept with a motorcycle that is also a wise-talking totem spirit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 08:14:52 2013 No.3756842 File: 517 KB, 984x688, 1286600968984.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3756840 >big moderately big ignore the first big. or don't.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 08:16:53 2013 No.3756846 >>3756591 I have the same with video games. I download 10 gb games and play only for an hour.

>>	RSHackeR Tue May 14 08:27:53 2013 No.3756855 I want to help you Anonymous!

Anonymous Tue May 14 08:45:52 2013 No.3756889
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>>3756824
>>3756840
If you are going to read any Shadowrun novel, read Burning Bright by Tom Dowd. It goes into detail about the events leading up to the Chicago incident. It's quite a good read, very well written for a Shadowrun novel.

Recently I finished reading The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad, in the first paragraph of the blurb on the Toxic Modern Classics print it reads:
"THE IRON DREAM brings us the science fiction novel Hitler would have written if he had emigrated to the US in 1919 and become a hack science fiction writer - LORD OF THE SWASTIKA!"
It's a satire of pulp science fiction. After having read The Marching Morons by Cyril Kornbluth it really put things into perspective.

Anonymous Tue May 14 09:27:53 2013 No.3756948
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>They were banished many centuries ago – among the other known races, they refused to assimilate under F____ian rule and were instigators of war and violence. In exile they went in search for their homeworld, managing to prosper on an ice and barren planet, known as T_____ia. They exist today in quarrelling feudal clans – divided and barbaric. However, their prophecy tells of a figure that will unite them once again.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 10:12:52 2013 No.3757025 >>3756948 sauce?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 10:13:52 2013 No.3757028 File: 172 KB, 2250x1407, StarCraft2-Battlec-Terrans-eXist.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3755097 >>3756811 Noted!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 10:16:52 2013 No.3757036 >>3757028 You should drop everything that comes before "this week's recommendation" in the OP message. It's straight out retarded and doesn't serve any purpose.

Anonymous Tue May 14 10:39:53 2013 No.3757095

>>3757025
Something I'm writing at the moment (only in treatment stage); mentioned it in the last thread.

Seems very clichéd, but it’s done intentionally (without giving away too much). That's from only one racial group out of three in a space opera-like setting / saga.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 11:09:53 2013 No.3757166 >>3757036 Is the "no fantasy" part bothering you? I can remove that and keep the rest.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 11:20:53 2013 No.3757182 >>3757095 Cool. Sounds pretty good to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 11:21:53 2013 No.3757184 >>3757036 >saging yeah well fuck you

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 11:25:52 2013 No.3757194 How good are the Metro 2033/34 books?: I see only the first one in English, but what's /lit/'s professional opinion about them?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 11:26:52 2013 No.3757202 >>3757166 nah dude, science fiction in one thread and fantasy in another >>3757192

Anonymous Tue May 14 11:38:31 2013 No.3757242

>>3757166
The whole subgenre thing and referring to Wikipedia is a bit annoying and by no means necessary.

>>3757184
I don't know how it is where you come from, but 'sage' is intended to be used when the poster feels his post doesn't contribute to the thread enough to deserve a bump. There's no reason bump the thread all to time on a board as slow as /lit/ and sageing shouldn't be taken as an insult.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 12:24:53 2013 No.3757404 >>3757182 Thanks man, that's a good sign to see from my end. Appreciate it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 12:54:53 2013 No.3757479 >>3756591 >>3756846 Whenever I get like that I either reread/replay old stuff that I love, or take a break from the medium for a few weeks/months and explore something else.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 13:26:55 2013 No.3757576 >>3757479 Yeah, that's the way to go. If you ever find reading or something else has become a chore to you, do something else for a change.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 13:52:52 2013 No.3757666 >>3757479 >>3757576 I recently re-read a couple of my favorites after picking and dropping several books. Tried reading the books after the favorites and still couldn't do it. Maybe it's time to stop reading for a month :(

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 14:08:53 2013 No.3757713 File: 492 KB, 1280x699, 147250_1328804158_large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can I post my wallpapers this time plz?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 14:14:52 2013 No.3757732 >>3757713 Please do

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 14:26:52 2013 No.3757755 File: 488 KB, 1500x616, 64489_1218994075_large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3757732 fuck yes

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>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 15:17:52 2013 No.3757900 File: 635 KB, 1520x950, 0001-1355321139005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] last one, hope you enjoyed them more next time

Anonymous Tue May 14 15:27:52 2013 No.3757930

>>3757900
I'd prefer a consistent 16:9 (16:10 is also acceptable) proportion, as it feels bad to crop a picture or have borders around it. Also I don't like how those pictures are sometimes in sub-720p resolution. They may be beautiful pictures, yeah, but I wouldn't use them as wallpapers.

Brian Castro !!tB1kv0pHPVj Tue May 14 15:32:52 2013 No.3757942

>>3757900
I didn't enjoy them. They all look the same. It's like, hey, I like sci-fi; I'm gonna draw up some arbitrary dimensions and just intuit colours onto it in some slapdash revision of whatever it was that originally inspired this great mirror-chain of copycats. Why can't they make their own concept, and then create that? Why spend so many hours producing something just to prove that you can produce it, which is what it seems to me that all of this amounts to? They won't make their super-worlds exist, no matter how long they look at them; they should do something more than just repeating their hyper-megalomaniacal lifestyle fantasies.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 15:34:53 2013 No.3757950 >>3757930 Agreed. I call them walls out of habit, but not all of them fall under the category. >>3757942 People enjoy making them and others to look at them, so where's the harm?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 15:40:52 2013 No.3757963 >>3757930 >>3757942 God damn it /lit/ is this what we have become? A bunch of pretentious whiners?

Shitty poetry Anonymous Tue May 14 15:45:52 2013 No.3757977

Outside laid the wanderers and boundless garden
The arcade peppered; teeming with the milky white.
As generations immemorial looked up through
A fog of war, confusion in the long endless pitchblack night.

Fix your eyes for too long, and you'll end up going there.
So waywardly out we turned back in, on ourselves
To see that no one was left, that everything was gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNmbaB433Ks

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:01:53 2013 No.3758054 File: 529 KB, 1520x950, 351345.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3757900 >what technologists want to believe >>3757942 >the reality

Anonymous Tue May 14 16:05:53 2013 No.3758068

>>3757963
I know what you mean, man. The world needs more fun, not less. The negative atmosphere tends to feed on itself, which is a shame really.

>>3757950
Yeah. I directed you to /wg/ in the last thread, but it was due to my frustration on the vague and differing interpretation of rules on different boards more than anything actual. Sorry for that, mate. I'm probably going to use only two or three of those pictures as wallpapers like you intended, but I saved almost all of them, as they're beautiful and I might want to look at them again.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:08:52 2013 No.3758080 >>3758054 fucking saved

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:13:52 2013 No.3758095 >>3758068 Cheers man

Anonymous Tue May 14 16:16:52 2013 No.3758107

>>3757942
There is a limit to the number of possibilities for this kind of thing. How do you expect them to be completely original yet stay true to the theme?
It doesn't matter how much original thought is put into them, someone will still come along and say "Oh yes, it reminds me of X and Y".

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:19:52 2013 No.3758116 >>3757863 Whoever drew this has absolutely no understanding of scale. How the hell does that building and boat stay up? Look at the size of that wake, those are goddamn tidal waves. What boat that big could move that fast? There's no way.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:23:53 2013 No.3758132 >>3758107 Also it has to resemble something preceding to not be completely random and unintelligible. This is also the reason why the most realistic sci-fi is often also the one that ages first.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:23:53 2013 No.3758134 >>3758116 You are thinking about Earth sized planets mate. This could be a planetoid.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:30:52 2013 No.3758156 >>3758134 Not with that blue liquid water and the level of that white cloud layer it couldn't be. It would float away if the gravity was weak enough to permit that scale of structure and boat. Anway that's pretty clearly Florida and the Bahamas.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:38:52 2013 No.3758185 >>3758156 Planetary engineering mate. Man made continents to resemble Earth's due to nostalgia and artificial gravity to keep the atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:48:53 2013 No.3758228 >>3758185 Right but if the artificial gravity's that strong then we're back to square one where the structures won't stand up and the boat is completely pointless even if it could float and not collapse under its own weight.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 16:58:52 2013 No.3758251 Highly recommend "The Wind up girl" if you're like me and are a cyberpunk nostalgic but need something fresh. This is it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 17:02:52 2013 No.3758264 >>3758251 Cyberpunk is shit. Neuromancer is so overrated it makes me lol.

Avoid like the plague Iain M. Banks Tue May 14 17:08:52 2013 No.3758277
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Regarding Iain Banks

After seeing it marketed everywhere and all teh drones saying "ooh read consider phlebias" and "ooh you should read player of games"...I did.

They are the biggest pile of shit I have ever read.

The execution is that of a typical Hollywood movie:
- An extravagant sci-fi setting is exposed alongside introduction of an oblivious character
- The character has a problem to solve and evolves in the most cliched of manner.
- The book climaxes either with
-- a) a fist fight
-- b) a deus ex machina

No greater underlying message
No character development
No Opera in Space
No overarching plot between the books
Aside from the "Muh post-scarcity economy + singularity" there is absolutely nothing to take away from these books, and the "James Bond" plot (quantum of solace, not casino royale) isn't even worth it.

How the fuck anyone could consider this worthy of rememberance is beyond me

Then I find out the M. In Iain M. Banks stands for Mainstream or Money (coming from an interview to the old fuck himself) and all is clear now.

>pic related is the intended audience

>>	Iain M. Banks Tue May 14 17:10:52 2013 No.3758285 >>3758264 thanks for your input man

Anonymous Tue May 14 17:12:52 2013 No.3758292

>>3758277
All of the "No"s in your post are not true mate. I think you are on of those guys that has a false opinion of himself and considers himself smart, but actually is a pretty stupid and shallow fellow.

The books have all the things you mentioned they lacked, so the only conclusion is that you missed them.

tl;dr: 2deep4you

>>	Iain M. Banks Tue May 14 17:14:52 2013 No.3758298 >>3758292 thanks for your one line comment man. Really enjoyed the discussion

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 17:16:52 2013 No.3758302 >>3758277 ...wait. Did you actually read the whole Culture series before coming to that conclusion?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 17:19:52 2013 No.3758310 I am currently reading Contact by Sagan. What is your take on it? So far it's good...but moves dreadfully slow.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 17:21:52 2013 No.3758317 >>3758310 watch the movie thread\

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 17:33:52 2013 No.3758342 Anyone read the flat earth? Prettt good imo. Quick read, was kinda hitchhikers guide to galaxy remiscent but still differentiated it self.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 17:40:52 2013 No.3758369 >>3758342 link to wiki?

Anonymous Tue May 14 18:10:52 2013 No.3758473

>>3758310
all of the action/climax is packed into final section. it's reads as if he'd super-condensed every earlier possibility for an eye-widener into the last handful of pages. i'm glad i read it. those last few pages are well worth the wait for introducing to our peripherals the concepts he plays with.

Anonymous Tue May 14 18:12:53 2013 No.3758482

>>3758473
reading asimov by the way, and i'm really getting a thing for daneel olivaw. thinking on the idea of machines a developing human-like consciousness, and the many illustrations done in wordsmithing together a scenario such that robots are effectively created as slaves to the human population, they develop independent thought, and chaos ensues (think i,robot, matrix, electric sheep, etc) as they attempt first peaceably (usually) then through violence to assume a status of general equality with humanity, then are violently rebuffed.
so! reading asimov and developing feels for a robot, it set me to wondering 'well,' this fairly accepted idea (robots:slaves -> develop consciousness -> rebel in peace then violence -> met with violence then [usually] quashed by humans/the heros) is a moral dilemma. so considering we are proceeding along this path now, in our first attempts at constructing more and more human-like robots, how do we nip this likelihood[/inevitability?] in the bud, in keeping within moral boundaries from the start, or plotting a course in advance for a guideline as to what an enlightened proceeding might be, in steering events away from this immoral, violent schema.
kinda got here, that if everything comes to pass up till [robots as slaves, effectively] -> [bots develop human-like consciousness], then, referring to those guidelines we have in place now, [which define human-level consciousness and self awareness in adequate detail, (as opposed to zero consciousness of self,)] would the auto-moral out be to determine the point at which this state of consciousness has been reached, then award whatever robot entity autonomy? [however we might interpret this.]
really wondering at you guys' takes. is there a better way to prevent the matrix/i-robot/electric sheep course from occurring?

Anonymous Tue May 14 18:13:53 2013 No.3758487

>>3758482
...[considering it as a given that robots will eventually develop a human-like consciousness, because they're swiftly approaching this even now, and with tech growth crazy rapid as it is, despite preventions, even if outlawed or if safeguards were put in place, i am certain it will happen despite. so consider it will happen. consciousness developed. what should be our course? (moral contingent plan?)

Anonymous Tue May 14 18:34:52 2013 No.3758570

>>3758482
>>3758487
I reckon it will go the same way as in Asimov's versions, but there will be no peaceful attempt by the A.I., It will go straight to force and we will not be able to stop it.

From then onward we will be under its rule to do as it please with us (think Eschaton by Charles Stross). If it is benevolent - great, if not - terminator shit ensues :)

p.s. Ib case you are the emerging A.I. testing the waters - don't kill us A.I. bro, not all of us are bad, talk to us (like in the Commonwealth by Peter Hamilton).

Anonymous Tue May 14 18:35:52 2013 No.3758576

>>3758487
>considering it a given that robots develop human like consciousness

This isn't a given at all you fool.

At best it may be considered inevitable because some 'tinkerers' are insistent upon going down that path, but that development tract is completely separate from practical automation for industrial, commercial and defense purposes.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 18:37:57 2013 No.3758581 >>3758576 The development of AI is more of a vanity project than something which has serious use.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 18:39:52 2013 No.3758587 >>3758576 fucking idiot >>3758581 A.I. developing is inevitable path following from automation, processor power/links and the net. plebs

Anonymous Tue May 14 19:07:53 2013 No.3758717

I'm looking to start reading Science Fiction as a part of my program to start reading and stop playing video games. However, I don't know where to begin, what authors to read and who to ignore.

Firstly, I'm looking to read to get a broad idea of the different types of Science Fiction and their context to each other in history and secondly I want to focus on reading Science Fiction that deals with AI and future societies.

Does anyone know of some good resources to accomplish this.?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 19:13:52 2013 No.3758735 File: 148 KB, 250x396, Yukikaze.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Have you read it yet?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 19:16:52 2013 No.3758739 >>3758587 >fuckig idiot Nice rebuttal. >inevitable because of automation ,process power and the net Please learn more about all of those things before spouting off what's "inevitable", specifically educate yourself on consciousness.

Anonymous Tue May 14 20:06:53 2013 No.3758854

>>3758717
>>3758717
Basically read these:

First to introduce you to different types of sci-fi and the classics at the same time
:
Foundation - Asimov
Neuromancer -Gibson
City - Simak
1984 - Orwell
Starship troopers - Heinlein
A Canticle for Leibowitz - Miller
Rendezvous with Rama - Clarke
Ender's Game - Card
Timescape - Benford
Hyperion - Simmons

Read as many of them as you want, there's not a bad book in there.

Now for A.I. and future societies combined (heavier reading mate) I'd recommend:

Fire Down Below - Vinge
Across Realtime - Vinge
Rainbows End - Vinge
Schild's Ladder - Egan
Diaspora - Egan
Permutation City - Egan
Any Culture novel - Banks
Hyperion - Simmons
Polity series - Asher
Accelerando - Stross <-- about the technological singularity (very good novel)
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - Dick
Neuromancer - Gibson
Singularity Sky - Stross
Saturn's Children - Stross

Some cover mostly one topic, other both. All are 10/10 books.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 20:14:53 2013 No.3758885 >>3756408 Kim Stanley Robinson: R/G/B Mars terraforming trilogy. I'm in the middle of another of his, "2312", which is more of the same, but all around the solar system after most things are terraformed or inhabited, and they're working on Venus.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 20:16:52 2013 No.3758891 >>3756418 Agree about Iain Banks. He can actually write, so his space opera is rollicking fun. I also consider "Fire Upon the Deep" to be good space opera.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 20:24:53 2013 No.3758911 >>3758251 Read that, set in Thailand, I felt sweaty and grimy every time I put it down. Damn good writer, but it's pretty grim.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 20:26:52 2013 No.3758918 >>3756418 Here faggot, space opera >>3756482 Also, Expanse Dune Honorverse Fire Upon the Deep Hyperion Night's Dawn Ender's Game Vorkosigan Shit Aliiance-Union Praxis Dread Empire's Fall I can go on faggot >no good space operas >muuuh ignorance

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 20:30:52 2013 No.3758924 File: 2.75 MB, 4400x2364, historyofsciencefiction.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3758717 maybe this will help?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 20:34:54 2013 No.3758933 >>3758854 >Fire Down Below - Vinge fire upon the deep? or did you mean golding just a passerby but thanks for the list. i now have a hold on all i have yet to read.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 20:47:52 2013 No.3758974 So I'm going to ask a very stupid question: Anyone here know of an author named Catherine Asaro?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 21:02:52 2013 No.3759035 >>3758974 Yeah. Science fiction, usually with a bit of a romance bent, I think. Not bad, nothing too exceptional though and not my cup of tea. Why do you ask?

Anonymous Tue May 14 21:07:52 2013 No.3759060

>>3759035
Because to this day, it still wigs me out that I had her as a professor for my physics lab component.

I feel I missed a good opportunity to shoot the shit with someone about differing views on science fiction (it's probably to the best I didn't know until like the end of the semester or I'd have probably shot my mouth off about something like "Baen-flavor trashiness" or whatnot).

I'm not the biggest fan of intergalactic civilization level science fiction, I'll be honest.

Anonymous Tue May 14 21:31:53 2013 No.3759184

>>3759060
Huh. That's funny. Yeah, I don't know, I don't think I'd have anything to say to her. She writes fiction that I just don't care about one way or the other, honestly.

(She does have a pretty fucking terrible Wikipedia page - one of the ones that's clearly been edited either by the subject or someone very close to the subject - which makes me think less of her a bit)

fembot Wed May 15 00:12:52 2013 No.3759633

>>3758576
most researchers would agree that the singularity is coming.
but hey, anything is possible, anon. my future predictions are as reliable as a weatherman's.
a type-identity theorist would agree with you: that consciousness is only a plausible in an organic being, because it has elements which depend on an organic system. i hold with the functionalists: the physical constitution can be whatever you imagine it to be, for any system that can instantiate the same pattern of causal roles will make plausible the same mental states[consciousness.] organic or inorganic circuitry can form a 'brain.' the brain is so complex as to make it a hell of a job to replicate, but it innately operates to enhance its efficiency through the use of schema [cues to draw from in dealing with overlapping scenarios. (think a restaurant schema: you have been to restaurants, you know what to expect and what is expected of you, so you may apply this to future restaurant visits,)] and other such tricks which make the idea of artificially reconstructing it much more plausible.
&sure, to your mention of tinkerers. this is what i had in mind when i added specifically the addendum
>even if outlawed or if safeguards were put in place
i also believe bots will develop artificial consciousness on a personal basis, from being funneled into a rigorous study course on the subject for a few years, (which, though teaching primarily the existence of the vast untapped research into the subject i don't have sufficient programming knowledge to grasp, managed to catch me a glimpse of the generalities known currently.) these being that, being wildly general, certain guidelines have been predominantly accepted which describe what it means to have a human-like consciousness, with budding research into a future of artificial consciousness in mind. engineers, programmers, etc have been actively testing the limits for a while now, in trying to beat these 'rules' of consciousness. think turing test.
[cont]

fembot Wed May 15 00:14:53 2013 No.3759641

>>3759633
i believe a few bots have passed the turing at this point. no test can objectively measure a metaphysical idea like consciousness, but this does give a strong impression that humanity will be seeing artificial intelligence at some point. i've seen estimates from a decade to fifty years at the outside.
appreciate your post

>>3758570
a possibility. sure, guy. lots of the fiction out there would agree with you.
p.s. " Demerzel declared himself ready to answer questions. He did not have to wait long. The very first question was: "Mr. First Minister, are you a robot?" Demerzel simply stared calmly and let the tension build. Then he smiled, his body shook slightly, and he laughed. It was not a loud uproarious laugh, but it was a rich one, the laugh of someone enjoying a moment of fantasy. It was infectious. the audience tittered and then laughed along with him. Demerzel waited for the laughter to die down and then, eye twinkling, said, "Must I really answer that? Is it necessary to do so?" He was still smiling as the screen darkened. " -Forward the Foundation
thanks for your reply.

>>3758581
i get you, anon. though surprisingly, there have been some interesting uses proposed. first, they might be easier to recognize by putting it in light of refraining from separating the arrival of artificial consciousness from other advancements in robotics/technology: the better a robot is able to react with reasoning, rather than being bound by its initial programming or latest tune-up, (while retaining the full arsenal of information/programming at its [figurative?] fingertips) the more efficiently it is able to function, the more tasks and complexities thereof it is able to handle, etc because it is able to think abstractly about the information it handles, and thus handle it more effectively. (though this subject makes me wish to believe that these two ideas: abstract thinking/machinelike logic experience a negative correlation.
[cont]

fembot Wed May 15 00:15:53 2013 No.3759648

>>3759641

trying to not fall into the societal trap of 'left/logic vs. right/creativity. they can be mutually exclusive. if a robot thinks with 'logic,' it would not necessarily decrease the logic to introduce creativity to the mix.
another benefit is that in exploring consciousness at such an involved level, we may come to understand more about our own consciousness, where this may lead us in future (transhumanism?) and how it has developed in our [special] past, to build us to our current state. (the selfish gene, classic darwin, etc.)
why might this understanding be at all practical?
referring to the 'zeroth law of robotics': "a robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm," (asimov, as opposed to 'may not harm a human') or the seven stages of consciousness, (the seventh of which, 'universal,' encompasses an awareness of beings outside our individual/personal zone of attention,) both involve a high/meta form of consciousness which extends beyond ourselves. (in asimov's foundation, the robot daneel is not only responsible to never harm & protect human individuals, he is also tasked to never harm-protect humanity as a whole. tough role.) humans of today find it easier to sympathize with such things as they are aware of. and more difficult to extend these sympathies outwards to things which do not seem to readily affect them. (you are about to eat a sandwich, but there's a starving kid in africa who could use it more than you could. if they were at your elbow, you'd probably share the thing, while if they were a distance away, it probably wouldn't be the shipping cost alone that's stopping you from sending them your sandwich. they're just too far removed from your awareness to warrant an action.
so! this is pretty cool, heady stuff. what if, through studying consciousness with such intensity [cont]

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 00:15:53 2013 No.3759649 >ctrl-f >"Forever War" >no results I'm disappointed.

fembot Wed May 15 00:16:52 2013 No.3759654

>>3759648

(what makes our current level of consciousness, how exactly might one construct it--such questions that we are wading through in fording towards machine consciousness,) we are able to expand our own consciousness (no worries, i won't sidetrack into the ethics involved,) (trans-posthumanism!) like, say, in expanding our personal awareness to cover a rainforest being torn down to make way for pastureland to keep the meat inside your happy meal, and those starving folks in africa, with whom we might well share our theoretical sandwich.
fun aside-- a guy was recently touring an art installation piece which offered four headsets for four viewers who could travel to different areas and experience differing sensory feedback (music etc), the gadgetry of which allowed their wearers to selectively tap into each other's feeds. you could hear what mike is hearing, and see what he is seeing, which he listens in on jaime with your visuals.

sorry.

>>	satan !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 Wed May 15 00:18:54 2013 No.3759663 >>3759654 stop what you are doing and post tits with timestamp for the lads, love

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 00:24:53 2013 No.3759681 http://pastebin.com/keFhE9T4

fembot Wed May 15 00:29:52 2013 No.3759694

>>3759663
[better to retire to stealth mode.] thanks for the reply, satan

it's nicer reading all of your posts than writing mine. and have now effectively maxed my library card. thank you for the many suggestions over the years.
goodbye, friend anonymous.

Anonymous Wed May 15 00:51:52 2013 No.3759742
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Are there any "endless labyrinth in a dead cyberpunk world" sort of sci-fi novels out there? I really enjoyed the atmosphere manga Blame! and want to know if there are any books with a similar vibe to it.

I'm not very well-read...

Anonymous Wed May 15 01:24:52 2013 No.3759823
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I'm trying to begin building a SciFi world but my biggest problem is finding out where to start.
The first thing that comes to mind is the people: what they wear and how they act. From that, how and where they live and from that, why they live that way and what governs them but I feel like I'm working backward.
I've even skipped the god damned story and the construction of the protagonist.

Right now all I have is a pile of ideas that I'd like to explore in a science fiction setting with no foundation and no direction.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 01:38:52 2013 No.3759860 >>3759742 >Blame! my nigga. Get on Biomega if you enjoyed that, though i warn you that Bio' is far more complex and confusing.

Anonymous Wed May 15 01:56:52 2013 No.3759888
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>>3759860
I've already gotten on that, though only a few volumes in. Still can't stop laughing every time the bear shows up. I've also read NOiSE and managed to get my hands on a localized copy of Biomega volume one.

I'm actually attempting to write a very Blame!-inspired sci-fi novel, but having trouble with descriptions of the setting and the like, so I thought reading something similar instead of rereading Blame! for the umpteenth time would be more productive. Shit's hard without pictures, yo.

Anonymous Wed May 15 02:00:52 2013 No.3759896

>>3759888
>I'm actually attempting to write a very Blame!-inspired sci-fi novel

BLAME!'s crucial driving force was the power of its environment and the way that the gradual story of humanity was told in the spaces and structures and small pockets of life (or robotic death) that the MC navigated during the course of his journey... I'd imagined that a BLAME! inspired book would be very heavy on the descriptions. I mean, the manga had a quite unique style so the prose would probably have to as well. It sounds interesting, hope we get to see it some day.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 02:02:52 2013 No.3759898 >>3759888 Blame! is one of the few example of manga really fulfilling the form's potential. It's almost impossible to translate from that media; because it is so unique i'd suppose. Absolute nth degree of decompression.

Anonymous Wed May 15 02:06:53 2013 No.3759905

>>3759898
This, to be honest. You need to consider the fundamental differences between word and image (an interesting topic in itself, which has been discussed and fretted over since the early middle ages and likely before that) in terms of communication. Things that images convey exceptionally well--detailed environments, for example--are conveyed differently and more difficultly in text. Conversely, things like complex emotional states and narratives are often better conveyed in words--images tend to struggle to convey a large number of individual details and unless they are fragmented into panels are often quite dense and synoptic.

Whereas the reader generally moves through time at the same point as they read a text, the reader of an image takes it all in in a single moment of negligible temporality. I think that BLAME!'s inspiration is still valid for producing a novel, but you have to consider it with respect to how the author approached the medium. Nihei used a very visual and almost non-narrative approach.

Anonymous Wed May 15 02:09:52 2013 No.3759909

>>3759888
Also, although he isn't cyberpunk so much as early (proto?) new wave american science fiction, Fritz Leiber does amazingly beautiful things with language in his short stories. I would say that his use of words is analogous to Nihei's use of lines in the construction of very rich and poetic visual environments.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 02:18:52 2013 No.3759928 >>3759888 >>3759898 >>3759905 >>3759909 >Blame! on my /lit/? Even /a/ doesn't touch Blame!. I love you guys so much.

Anonymous Wed May 15 02:43:53 2013 No.3759982
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>>3759896
>>3759898
>>3759909
Thanks for the responses, I'll keep all of this in mind. The setting is very similar, but on a less massive scale and with less open areas (no Jupiter-sized holes, for example), so it will be difficult to convey the power the environment has in relation to the characters. I still have much to learn, not to mention much to experiment with, when it comes to writing.

>>3759905
>things like complex emotional states and narratives are often better conveyed in words

Yeah, I realized that, too. My work already has loads more dialogue than Blame! due to the characters being a lot more human (physically and mentally), so my focus is definitely more on characterization and how they deal with their situation than, say, saving the future of humanity in some vague prophecy-esque fashion.

>>3759928
Actually, we talk about it on /a/ every now and then, though it's easy to miss the threads. It is almost universally praised.

Anonymous Wed May 15 03:54:52 2013 No.3760081
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>>3759823
I'm currently working on a science fiction space opera-esque novel & saga (have been throwing updates in these threads), and I can relate to what you’re saying. The thing you have to remember is that worldbuilding, themes and characters take serious time to germinate and mature. I've currently worked on my treatment for almost 6 months now, since graduating from university, and there is still more to go.

There is no right or wrong way to start building your world; it's just a matter of what ever feels more comfortable or natural for you. One thing you should absolutely utilise is a treatment. I come from a film and television background (and also article publishing), so writing treatments have been kind of a standard for me. Most of my treatments are around 5-10 pages, but when dealing with a story involving worldbulding, this current treatment is already around 30+ pages.

My story actually started its life as a short story, and from there expanded. I was left with many questions in the short story, and as I started finding answers to these questions, I realised that I wasn’t only writing a short story, but I was writing only one small event part of a much bigger tale. Before I knew it, I had created a world containing a host of detailed races, characters, agendas, histories and cultures. From a short story, an entire world had figuratively created itself. I generally went from:

Star System --> Planets --> Racial Groups --> Society / Culture (including, government, economics, religion, etc.) --> Cities / Towns

Story, characters, themes and premise I dealt with separately. You have to really make sure you don't neglect one or the other. Worldbuilding is important, but without an entertaining story and character(s), no one will stick around to read your material. Also consistency is key; every element has to work with one another and be consistent and thematically dramatic – from the characters, to their motives and their system of beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 04:14:52 2013 No.3760109 >>3760081 treatment?

Anonymous Wed May 15 04:26:52 2013 No.3760119

>>3759823
Just lay out all of your setting ideas in front of you and see if you can't find something that would make an interesting narrative. Don't 'construct' a protagonist and place him or her in the setting. Your protagonist will be someone who naturally fits into the setting, who you can use to explore the parts of it you find most compelling.

Anonymous Wed May 15 04:29:52 2013 No.3760121
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>>3760109
Basically a fancy word for a document that contains roughly the following:

Synopsis
Premise / Themes / Motif
Characters (biographies)
Outline (optional, sometimes a separate document)

You can add more sub-headings, such as motivations, influences, etc. But with a treatment that involves worldbuilding at its core, you obviously have to explain a lot more. Sometimes treatments are also called bibles.

Think of a treatment as a guide book. A document a stranger could pick up and read, and get a general idea of what the story (and world) is about. Treatments are generally more used in the film and television industry, and are sent to prospective producers to obtain funding. I think they’re used among general writers too, to try and snag publication deals also.

>pic related - a treatment of DS9 I have on my computer.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 04:34:53 2013 No.3760127 >>3760121 This is immensely useful. My personal thing is a faux wikipedia article for the nations in my setting; a little autistic perhaps, but it makes you think about a lot of things that might otherwise escape notice.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 04:54:53 2013 No.3760148 >>3758933 >fire down below What the fuck did I just write? It's Fire Upon the Deep, of course, sorry anon.

Anonymous Wed May 15 04:56:52 2013 No.3760153
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>>3760127
No worries man, I'm glad to help in some way, and you're exactly right about things escaping notice – especially if you don’t write down your ideas and concepts. What you have currently will also continue to grow and become more refined as well if you keep working at it; it's also a good overview to have of your inhabitants.

I'm not sure I can really give much more advice about worldbuilding - just to reiterate that the larger the concept, the more refinement that will be required on your part. Sometimes it’s best to also take a break from your treatment and return with a fresh view; it’s a bit like painting, some times you have to step back to really see what you’re painting.

Also remember that it’s not something that only us amateurs have to deal with, even people like Frank Herbert spent years (I think 5 years in total) developing and refining the concept and story of Dune.

For your characters, I would highly recommend reading The Art of Dramatic Writing by Lajos Egri. The book (though slightly archaic in parts) is super useful when it comes to creating realistic characters with real desires, needs and motivations. The guy really gets into creating and understanding you’re characters’ psychological make-up.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 05:01:53 2013 No.3760157 I am enjoying the A.I. discussion a lot. Do continue.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 08:44:53 2013 No.3760644 >>3758854 That list is brilliant and thanks for the help.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 16:43:52 2013 No.3761855 >>3760644 You are welcome anon. /lit/ has helped me with recommendations about other genres before, so it's nice to be able to return the gesture :)

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 16:53:52 2013 No.3761884 >>3760127 stuff like this makes me wonder if most writers in the fantasy/scifi genres were "autistic" or something

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 17:36:52 2013 No.3762018 >>3761884 /tv/ pls go

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 18:48:52 2013 No.3762324 >>3760121 ah, thanks bro.

Anonymous Thu May 16 02:51:52 2013 No.3763672

I've noticed Banks mentioned a few times in this thread, so in case it hasn't yet propagated here:

Iain Banks is dying. He has advanced gall bladder cancer. His current book will probably be his last, and he should probably start mainlining unpronounceable drugs that end in -ab if he wants to survive to see another May.

I actually feel guilty pirating the Culture series now. Sorry Iain.

Anonymous Thu May 16 03:26:53 2013 No.3763752
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Curious person turned Larry Niven fanboy.

His characters are sometimes unlikeable and his story logic is stretching it a bit. Something about his stories I just like.

Started with being curious about Ringworld. Read all 4 books. Louis Wu has fucked more Aliens than Kirk will ever dream of.

Since then I've read most of his known space stuff.

Protector
Crash Lander
Destiny's Road

Did some A.C. Clark 2001. Was great up till the very last page. Ending with baby and earth left me pissed and makes the movie better.

Oxford Big book of Science Fiction Short Stories is and educational book. Starts with a eerie short by H.G. Wells Called the Land Ironclad 1906, Then ends with something from Brin in 1993. Books leads me to believe that the closer books got to the 80 and 90s, the more bogged is social minutiae bull they got.

Last Sci-Fi book I read was Bowl of Heaven by Niven and some other guy. Old bastard better not die before his finishes the other books for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 05:19:52 2013 No.3763995 Lord Of Light - Roger Zelazny The Space Merchants - Frederik Pohl More Than Human - Theodore Sturgeon The Dispossessed - Ursula Le Guin The Stars My Destination - Alfred Bester Blindsight - Peter Watts anyone check these out? They're on my read list

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 05:29:52 2013 No.3764005 >John Steakley died a couple years ago and Armor 2 will never be finished Hold me, /lit/

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 06:13:52 2013 No.3764079 File: 19 KB, 250x372, LordofLight(Zelazny).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3763995 I read Lord of Light and it was really a blast for about half the book, then it sort of slowed down fot me. I'd still recommend it-

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 07:28:53 2013 No.3764169 >>3763995 4th and 6th suck, others are god tier

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 07:36:52 2013 No.3764179 >>3763752 >Larry Niven fanboy. Welcome to the club :) There's something really special about his stories that draws you in and makes you remember them even after years. Ringworld is such an example.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 07:36:52 2013 No.3764180 >>3763995 I really liked the premise of Lord of Light, but I felt the characters and dialogue fell a little flat. The chapters describing events leading up to the finale were far too brief. The prose a little too purple for my tastes.

Anonymous Thu May 16 07:41:52 2013 No.3764182

QUESTION

I am looking for a novel that I read twice as a kid and it is the reason I love sci-fi nowadays, but I cannot remember name or author. I thought it was Larry Niven, but his bibliography doesn't look like it.

What I remember:

>some dude finds himself in a future solar system
>either he was suspended due to crime or was some kind of relativity traveler
>he finds Earth depopulated
>someone has moved Titan to a new orbit to make it habitable... or wasn't Titan, but one of the other moons?
>he finds weird devices on the planet and uses one of them that look like a teleporter
>turns out it's a device that makes you immortal by disassembling you and putting you back together
>I remeber something about a gender war?
>maybe kids roaming the land as the lone survivors?
>he did find some chips and a device to learn from them... like head band I think?
>other shit is fuzy

Seriously, this novel was extremely good and dare I say life changing. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 09:43:52 2013 No.3764330 >sci-fi >good lel

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 09:51:52 2013 No.3764337 >>3764330 >a type of literature >bad the lel's on you

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 09:56:52 2013 No.3764342 >>3764337 >lowest form of a medium existing with the sole purpose to demarcate the plebest and shittiest form of said medium lql

Anonymous Thu May 16 10:00:53 2013 No.3764347
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>Larry Niven fanboy.
>Welcome to the club :) etc.

For me, it's the backgrounds; interesting and fun planets, interesting aliens, and interesting Big Dumb Objects; plus the billion-year sweep of the Known Space universe. Characterization and the finer lit'rary skills have never been Niven's strong suit though.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:01:53 2013 No.3764352 >>3764182 That sounds like "A World Out Of Time" by Larry Niven.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:04:52 2013 No.3764355 >>3764182 This sounds like simmon's ilium & olympos

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:08:53 2013 No.3764362 >>3764352 YES THANK YOU BASED ANON!!! So it was Niven after all. Brb going to read it for the third time :)

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:20:52 2013 No.3764375 >>3764342 >getting all frustrated when people enjoy literature and you can't because you're too busy trying to impress anonymous people on the internet lyl

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:21:52 2013 No.3764382 >>3764375 >lyl m8

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:24:52 2013 No.3764391 >>3764330 What's your problem anyway? If all the retards stay confined to this general, then not only do they spend less time posting in real threads, there will be fewer sci-fi threads posted on /lit/ itself. Win-win.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:25:52 2013 No.3764395 File: 85 KB, 685x738, le slick perv face.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3764391 From my point of view, you are the retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:26:52 2013 No.3764397 >>3764391 Exactly. Even if you're a dumb motherfucker who doesn't know shit, you should still have enough basic perception to dimly see that this thread existing benefits you.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:27:52 2013 No.3764403 >>3764391 >real threads lol go fuck yourself tard

Anonymous Thu May 16 10:41:52 2013 No.3764428

>>3764391
>real threads

Oh yeah, those high-brow threads about feminism and nu-atheism and babby's first nihilism and girls who don't read and drugs and Tao Lin. Face it, /lit/, the sci-fi and fantasy readers are the only ones who actually discuss books on this godforsaken board.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 10:47:53 2013 No.3764438 >>3764362 Glad to be of assistance.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 17:11:52 2013 No.3765476 sage for not literature

Anonymous Thu May 16 19:00:52 2013 No.3765942

I'm currently reading Consider Phlebas and I'm about halfway through. So far, I think it's a bit over-rated. Granted, I don't think it's bad, I just feel as though it has been a bit over hyped.
Really, my favorite part of the book is the setting rather than the actual content.
Can anyone suggest some sci-fi of a similar feather that deals primarily with society and social issues?

Anonymous Thu May 16 21:56:52 2013 No.3766382

>Been on a strange sci-fi kick
>Read Rendezvous with Rama
>Holy fuck that was cool
>Read Rama II
>Not as great as the first but still neat
>Get half way through Garden of Rama
>Get bored

I think I know what it is. Exploring this crazy, mysterious, unexplained alien craft and marveling at the technology was what really pulled me in. Rama strayed from that and more or less became focused on bullshit between the characters rather then this engineering marvel around them. I thought Ringworld was pretty neat-o too.

Anyone know of any books that sounds like it might interest me?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 21:59:52 2013 No.3766390 You know, I never hear Jack McDevitt mentioned on /lit/. Am I the only one here who likes him?

Anonymous Thu May 16 22:28:52 2013 No.3766450

>>3766382

wasn't there a different author? the first book was good because it was airtight (no pun intended) in terms of the spaceship and the science and the way the crew acted, I suppose the other guy fucked it up and hollywoodized it. I didn't bother reading the others though.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 22:37:52 2013 No.3766490 >>3766450 Yeah, first one was all Clarke, for the rest of the books he got help from Gentry Lee. I guess hollywoodized isn't a bad way to describe it.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 22:57:53 2013 No.3766571 >>3765942 >Really, my favorite part of the book is the setting rather than the actual content. Welcome to space opera.

Anonymous Thu May 16 23:03:53 2013 No.3766594

>>3766382
>read Rama II

Stop right now. You should have stopped with the first Rama book, but you may as well mitigate the damage. All the other fiction spawned by the tawdry cottage industry that has popped up around Rendezvous with Rama only negates everything that made that book worthwhile, not least by providing a half-hearted answer to a question that shouldn't have one.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 01:50:53 2013 No.3767036 >>3766571 In most books I'd agree, but in Nivens the setting is as much a character as any of the cast. In fact i'd go as far to say that the environment is more important than the cast.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 05:49:52 2013 No.3767456 >>3766390 >Jack McDevitt Fuck yes! I gulped the Academy series in a month. Alex Benedict was even better after that. I hope he writes more of Benedict's adventures, like a boss.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:02:53 2013 No.3767465 File: 277 KB, 585x893, windup.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No love for biopunk?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:05:52 2013 No.3767468 >>3767465 Everything that has the word "punk" in it is total and absolute shit. No exceptions. >but anon what about [insert novel name here] NO! I SAID NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:38:52 2013 No.3767495 What's some good sf from the last 5 years or ago? Not culture or new books from old series, please. The last one I've read was Leviathan Wakes. It was decent.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:41:52 2013 No.3767496 >>3767495 Revelation Space Commonwealth/Void Most of the Hugo/Nebula nominees

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:45:53 2013 No.3767499 >>3767468 Your wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:45:53 2013 No.3767501 >>3767468 But what if I call it Ribofunk?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:50:52 2013 No.3767507 >>3767499 Am not. >>3767501 Punk/Funk same shit

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 15:34:52 2013 No.3768508 Am I the only one that likes to read shitty, simple, pleb tier Star Wars/Star Trek/Mass Effect/StarCraft novels?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 20:30:52 2013 No.3769203 >>3768508 The first few Halo books were quite enjoyable.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 23:48:52 2013 No.3769499 >>3769203 I agree. I always liked the Halo fluff. A bit more than the games sometimes.

Anonymous Sat May 18 00:03:52 2013 No.3769518

>>3768508
I read so many Star Trek: TNG novels when I was a kid. God, I devoured those things. They were so cheesy, and so great. Also read all the Star Wars books ofc but those Star Trek books have a special place in my heart

Don't read much licensed stuff anymore though.

Anonymous Sat May 18 00:18:53 2013 No.3769527
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>>3769203
I started reading the Halo fluff with a sneer, feeling they were going to be complete garbage to add to what I thought a low brow game (its still low brow, but got more depth now)

I must have read the Fall of Reach 5 times. 3 of those right after the other. I got through everything up to Halo Evolutions.

Tried the new stuff. Leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Reads like I thought the Halo books would in the beginning. Writer trying to shoe horn in character and story to a narrow focus.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 04:53:52 2013 No.3769893 File: 1.68 MB, 2400x1175, UNSC_Infinity.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3769527 >>3769499 >>3769203 for you

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 05:47:52 2013 No.3769919 Could one of you gentlemen recommend me a cyberpunk book? I would like something with a sort of noir feel, that dark back-alley, blade-runner esque atmosphere. Does anyone have a suggestion?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 05:47:52 2013 No.3769921 >>3769919 also perhaps something reminiscent of Eve online

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 05:49:52 2013 No.3769923 >>3769919 also, a heavy emphasis on the world rather than the characters or story. I'd like to get completely immersed in the environment, the common folk of the universe

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 05:52:52 2013 No.3769925 >>3769919 If you haven't read the book Blade Runner is based off, check that. I haven't read much of cyberpunk liturature, but I know a nice bit of ther cyberpunk media if you want

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 05:58:53 2013 No.3769928 >>3769925 I may give Androids a read then. Do you know of any other literature that focuses more on the world its happenings?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 05:59:53 2013 No.3769929 File: 24 KB, 280x417, gatewaynovel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I loved gateway by Fredrick Pohl. Not mentioned yet. Goddam good. Loved it as much as forever war.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:02:52 2013 No.3769934 >>3769919 >>3769921 >>3769923 The Sprawl Trilogy by Gibson

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:03:52 2013 No.3769937 >>3769929 Fuck yes Gateway is fucking awesome. Read it three times :)

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:03:52 2013 No.3769938 >>3769928 like the main characters are more observers than architectures? Martian Chronicles Foundation Forever War

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:03:52 2013 No.3769939 File: 61 KB, 298x285, 1325226509036.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3769929 >Fredrick /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:05:52 2013 No.3769940 >>3769938 exactly >>3769934 thanks for the recs!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:05:53 2013 No.3769942 >>3769939 >>3769939 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Space_Merchants HE KNEW

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:07:53 2013 No.3769945 >>3769938 he asked for cyberpunk tho not space opera

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:08:52 2013 No.3769947 >>3769919 >>3769925 >>3769928 DADoES isn't really cyberpunk. It doesn't really have a noir feel either. I'd still recommend it, but if you go into it expecting Blade Runner, you'll be disappointed.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:08:52 2013 No.3769948 >>3769945 >Do you know of any other literature

Anonymous Sat May 18 06:09:52 2013 No.3769949

>>3769945
Yeah, I'd like the characters to be observers, but I do also want the cyberpunk aspects such as near-future Earth, grittiness, corporations, technology/augmentations (similar to Deus Ex), and some form of social unrest or destruction of parts of society (almost dystopian).

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:10:52 2013 No.3769950 Anyone read Phil Janes' The Galaxy Game series? Some of the funniest sci-fi books out there imo. Would also like some recommendations in the same vein if possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:11:52 2013 No.3769953 File: 12 KB, 526x544, 1368002432912.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3769948 hurr i can greentext im a faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:15:52 2013 No.3769954 >>3769953 please, don't ruin this sci-fi thread because you didn't bother to read his post correctly. go back to /v/ or /tv/ or back to lurking this thread for reccs that will "be as awesome as the matrix"

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:15:52 2013 No.3769955 >>3769921 This guy's post reminds me that I've been searchin for some good sci-fi with lots of corporate esionage and lots of financial considerations. I want to see stuff like mining ships getting attacked and so forth. Any ideas?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:18:52 2013 No.3769959 >>3769955 Heavy Time and the rest of the Alliance-Union

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:20:53 2013 No.3769964 File: 845 KB, 500x357, 1358747284871.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hi /lit/, /a/ here. Is there any literature similar to cowboy bebop or neon genesis evangelion?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:23:52 2013 No.3769970 >>3769964 weaboos are not welcomed on /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:25:52 2013 No.3769974 >>3769970 >implying

Anonymous Sat May 18 06:26:53 2013 No.3769977 [DELETED]

>>3769964
hey /a/, /tv/ here, any good anime similar to cowboy bebop or NGE? or sci-fi in general? Code Geass was ass

Transmetropolitan and the Sprawl Trilogy are like bebop.

I find NGE in every genre out there. action, drama, mecha, military, thriller, mythos, sci-fi, psychological, romance. Nothing in any medium ive seen tops the unique combination off them all in such perfection.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:27:53 2013 No.3769978 >>3769977 television watching faggots are not welcomed on /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:27:53 2013 No.3769979 >>3769977 Go see Serial Experiments Lain, Legend of Galactic Heroes and Ghost in the Shell.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:28:53 2013 No.3769980 >>3769977 Ghost in the Shell. >>3769979 seconding this

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:28:53 2013 No.3769981 >>3769979 all ready seen those :(

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:31:53 2013 No.3769984 >>3769978 that is a funny thing to say considering who OP is

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:35:53 2013 No.3769988 >>3769977 Gasaraki and RahXephon are two shows on the surface quite similar to NGE, that is to say conspiracy-driven mecha anime, but about very different scifi themes.I'd recommend them both.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 06:38:53 2013 No.3769989 >>3769988 thanks man, will deff check out. I hope it ends as good as EoE. I don't even watch much anime but that was easily top 10 sci-fi films

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 12:57:53 2013 No.3770617 >>3769527 A very close friend in my old platoon (used to be an Infantryman in the Army) was ALWAYS reading Halo books while we were deployed. I miss him. Died in Afghanistan in December. Maybe I'll read a few of those books.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:20:53 2013 No.3770681 File: 86 KB, 1024x506, 1354486523061.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3770617 I'm sorry to hear that. Start with Fall of Reach. Easily the best one.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:37:56 2013 No.3770724 >>3769527 >>3770617 >>3770681 >people literally recommending Halo novelizations in this thread >b-but sci fi is real literature guys!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 13:50:53 2013 No.3770769 >>3770724 No one gives a fuck/10

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 14:04:53 2013 No.3770818 Anybody know any books where the main character is a normal guy from here that gets sent to another universe or dimension or time? Like Stargate or Farscape, except a book. For some reason these are hard to find.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 14:11:53 2013 No.3770844 >>3770818 Wizard Knight - Gene Wolfe

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 14:46:54 2013 No.3770952 >>3770844 Oooh... Anything by Gene Wolfe is always a good choice.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:13:54 2013 No.3771055 >>3770769 >doesn't give a fuck >replies This thread is ripe with the stench of bitches.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:19:53 2013 No.3771075 >>3770844 >>3770952 Gene Wolfe is fantasy. Pls go.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:31:54 2013 No.3771106 >>3771075 Gene Wolfe is science fiction. Buzz off pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:34:54 2013 No.3771116 >>3771106 Go make a fantasy general Wolfag, stop polluting this one with your shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:35:54 2013 No.3771122 >>3771106 He writes both. The Wizard Knight is pure fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:45:53 2013 No.3771151 >>3771122 Yeah nah bro, you actually read the book? It's science fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:46:53 2013 No.3771156 >>3771151 >calling fantasy sci-fi >0000 + 2013 Seriously trollfag, -234234/10 oh and >gene wolfe >shitty taste Pick two.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:48:53 2013 No.3771158 >>3771156 Gene Wolfe is sci-fi by any definition.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:50:53 2013 No.3771163 What do you guys think of Metro 2033/34?

Anonymous Sat May 18 15:50:53 2013 No.3771164
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>>3771158
>fire is wet
>the sky is green
>gravity pulls you up not down

Yeah buddy, that's exactly how you sound. Fucking Gene Wolfe fags ruining every thread....

Anonymous Sat May 18 15:52:53 2013 No.3771170

>>3771163
2033 is one of the best post-apoc books I have ever read.

I am still waiting for an English translation of 2034.

In other news, the author is writing Metro 2035 based on the Metro: Last Light game at this very moment. He said it himself recently in an interview. It will be officially translated n English from the start fuck yeah.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:54:53 2013 No.3771175 It feels really shitty to admit, but I'm just not sure William Gibson has written anything better than Neuromancer. Maybe , MAYBE Count Zero

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:55:53 2013 No.3771179 >>3771164 You're retarded. You're trying to give up science fiction best author to the fantasists. Gene Wolfe is sci-fi and that won't change no matter how much you dislike him.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:55:54 2013 No.3771180 >>3771170 Awesome ! I didn`t know that he is working metro 2035.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:58:53 2013 No.3771185 People actually hate Gene Wolfe?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 15:59:53 2013 No.3771190 I can't stand post-1979 SF. It looks so clichéd.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:01:53 2013 No.3771194 >>3771179 >science fiction's best author >gene wolfe Lol now I know you are trolling mate.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:03:54 2013 No.3771200 >>3771180 Check it, somewhere after the middle IIRC, but the whole interview is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nvaENxIOvU

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:04:54 2013 No.3771202 >>3771190 >Alistair Reynolds >cliched uwot?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:08:53 2013 No.3771218 >>3771200 Thank you very much!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:08:53 2013 No.3771222 >>3771194 >people don't agree with me >they must be trolling! He is, shithead, and the critics agree with me.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:09:53 2013 No.3771225 File: 40 KB, 640x480, Quallity.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >no mention of the hilarity that was the original Gundam Novels

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:24:53 2013 No.3771268 >>3771222 >He is a shithead, and the critics agree with me. Thank you for agreeing with me and the critics are pretty smart people as well. He is indeed a shithead.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:26:53 2013 No.3771272 >>3770818 At least a good site with lists?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 16:30:53 2013 No.3771284 >>3771272 www.wikipedia.com www.google.com

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 17:09:54 2013 No.3771424 >>3771284 Fucking thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 18 17:10:53 2013 No.3771428 >>3771424 recket fun

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