Hello /lit/ I was wondering if you could make any suggestion to me as to books outlining the benefits of having a traditional family (man goes and works, woman raises the children and keeps the house). It is something I believe in and want to read further into it. Thank you.

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Anonymous Fri May 10 12:29:01 2013 No.3743123 [DELETED]

Hello /lit/

I was wondering if you could make any suggestion to me as to books outlining the benefits of having a traditional family (man goes and works, woman raises the children and keeps the house). It is something I believe in and want to read further into it. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:31:01 2013 No.3743132 Why can't the woman go to work and the man stay at home?

Anonymous Fri May 10 12:33:00 2013 No.3743145

Of Human Bondage is a story where it says that the traditional path is better than anything else. The main character goes off to be an artist, tries to have affairs with several women and then settles down into a pleasant relationship with a woman who would make a good mother.

What's sad about it all is that it is written by a man who was homosexual. Imagine he wanted a traditional life but society and that point wouldn't allow it.

Anonymous Fri May 10 12:35:00 2013 No.3743153

>>3743132
that wasn't the question

and also.

Women have gone through an evolutionary process over the course of hundreds of thousands of years in order to become as good as raising children as they possibly can. They have evolved mammary glands to feed them, wide hips to birth them, and the mentality to look after them (eg, lots of women cooing over a baby, they've been conditioned to react that way in order to take care of babies instinctively)

Men, evolved for hunting, they evolved to adapt according to their environment, to overcome puzzles, and to effectively track pray (all valuable skills in the modern day workplace)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:35:00 2013 No.3743156 >>3743145 Thank you, I will look into it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:35:00 2013 No.3743157 >>3743123 Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:36:00 2013 No.3743159 I don't know. We haven't invented a time machine yet to go back to the 1950s.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:38:00 2013 No.3743172 >>3743153 oh look, dumbasses with no actual knowledge of biology abusing evolutionary theory at 12. is it time for another /pol/ raid?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:40:00 2013 No.3743176 >>3743172 what?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:42:00 2013 No.3743183 >>3743176 Take your theory in >>3743153 to /sci/ and see what they think about its veracity.

Anonymous Fri May 10 12:43:00 2013 No.3743189

>>3743132
>>3743157
>>3743159
To make it clear. I'm not saying that this is the way it should be for everyone. It's up to the couple as to what they decide to do within their family. Freedom of Choice is also something I have a strong belief in. I, however, think that the traditional family role is the best basis to help raise your kids and have an efficient way of life.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:48:00 2013 No.3743203 File: 120 KB, 468x700, 1366684265108.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743183 >>3743172 >>3743159 >>3743157 >>>/r/SRS

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:50:00 2013 No.3743214 >>3743189 good thing no one gives a shit about what a stupid american thinks about how to speed up the "efficiency" of life by setting women's rights back half a century with some crockpot theory.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:51:00 2013 No.3743223 >>3743214 Well my wife does for a start.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:51:01 2013 No.3743216 the man in the grey flannel suit.

Anonymous Fri May 10 12:52:00 2013 No.3743228

>>3743153
This is 19th century anthropology, for the most part. It's not wrong to talk about women's place within family, but a strict definition based on what "makes sense" for gender roles is unscientific.

I guess Italian fascists were pretty into rural families? That's all I can think of

>>3743203
I don't know what would describe "effete internet male" better than someone who posts a ready-made image on an anonymous message board to mitigate their own butthurt, though

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:52:00 2013 No.3743229 >>3743123 Probably some Nazi book.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:54:00 2013 No.3743237 File: 115 KB, 791x585, me.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >anything but being a bachelor or having a woman take care of you Full pleb.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:59:01 2013 No.3743260 >>3743229 it's not a great book, but it's about a man with a traditional family who turns down a promotion in order to be able to spend more time with his wife and kids. it's from the twenties.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 13:00:01 2013 No.3743262 How can you believe in something and not already know the benefits of it?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 13:16:00 2013 No.3743349 guys, this isn't your normal faggot /pol/ thread, he's actually asking a valid question about literature no need to be cunts this time i actually want an answer to this one, i for one now plan on reading of human bondage

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 13:44:01 2013 No.3743473 File: 32 KB, 260x392, 9780892813155_p0_v2_s260x420[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Good lord, look at all of the asshurt ITT. OP, pic related might be relevant to your interests

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 13:44:01 2013 No.3743480 >>3743237 that's a beautiful painting

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 13:48:00 2013 No.3743492 >>3743172 Are you serious? You can't possibly believe that males and females are anatomically and psychologically the same with exactly the same abilities, right? Or do you really believe this?

Anonymous Fri May 10 13:50:00 2013 No.3743500

>>3743228
>but a strict definition based on what "makes sense" for gender roles is unscientific

How is maximizing our potential by designing society in such a fashion that men and women are put in the most optimal positions for their unique skill sets unscientific?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 13:54:00 2013 No.3743515 the bible

Anonymous Fri May 10 13:56:01 2013 No.3743522

>>3743132
No woman respects a domesticated man. She would be cheating on you constantly---if she didn't leave you within the first month of your unemployment, that is. Passivity as a character trait is more detrimental to your pussy getting ability than outright ugliness. Women just loathe it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 13:57:00 2013 No.3743524 >>3743522 Vilar's The Manipulated Man

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 13:58:00 2013 No.3743525 wow, so many edgy kiddies in this thread spouting politically correct hate speech

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:00:00 2013 No.3743529 File: 16 KB, 181x302, The_Abolition_Of_Britain_Cover_UK_ed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you want a modern day author Peter Hitchens is a good place to start. Although if you're not British some of what he says might go over your head.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:00:00 2013 No.3743531 it's funny how majority left-wing boards and forums are invariably less tolerant of divergent views than their right-wing equivalents.

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:00:00 2013 No.3743532

>>3743123
Sorry this isn't really an answer to your question:

I find it pretty peculiar for somebody to ask for recommendations on reading something for the sole purpose of reinforcing beliefs he currently holds.

Unless you are subconsciously doubting your beliefs, and considering this is the only criterion you've given, it seems like a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:03:00 2013 No.3743536 >>3743532 >I find it pretty peculiar for somebody to ask for recommendations on reading something for the sole purpose of reinforcing beliefs he currently holds. Are you dumb, or just very inexperienced?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:03:00 2013 No.3743538 >>3743531 Yeah because if I were to post something about feminism, which wouldn't be criticism of it on /pol/ they totally wouldn't send me to SRS.

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:04:00 2013 No.3743542

>>3743532

You sure are making a lot of assumptions. How do you know the OP isn't some gay same sex marriage supporting liberal that grew up in a single parent household who only wants to learn more about what traditional families are? Stop bringing your own bias into everything.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:05:00 2013 No.3743545 >>3743531 can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:05:00 2013 No.3743547 >>3743538 There are at least 2-3 Feminist threads going on at any one time over at /pol/. The threads go on with lots of debate and it's not a problem for anyone. Criticism of any ideas is a good thing. Not sure what you're talking about here.

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:07:00 2013 No.3743550

>>3743531

The difference is, the leftwing boards will shout you down and cry racism or mah feelins hurt, without ever trying to engage in a logical debate. The rightwing boards inundate you with facts, figures, statistics, and irrefutable data. And for all that effort, the usual response is just:

>but my feelins is hurt by dis!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:09:00 2013 No.3743556 >I have an uninformed opinion on a subject I'm interested in >Plz refer me to works on the subject, but only those which reinforce my opinion You are truly shit-tier human, OP

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:09:00 2013 No.3743559 >>3743550 lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:09:00 2013 No.3743560 >>3743547 if by threads about feminism you mean hurr we need to kill all the liburtards and wymen because they are oppressing white man, you're right. But those threads are of same quality as this one is. It's just the other side of butthurt.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:09:00 2013 No.3743561 >>3743556 See >>3743542

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:10:00 2013 No.3743565 File: 9 KB, 213x236, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743550 >The rightwing boards inundate you with facts, figures, statistics, and irrefutable data best top lel evar, 10/10 m8

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:11:00 2013 No.3743566

>>3743542
>How do you know the OP isn't some gay same sex marriage supporting liberal that grew up in a single parent household who only wants to learn more about what traditional families are?

Because he said this:

>It is something I believe in and want to read further into it

I'm not "bringing my own bias into everything" (Everything? This is one thing, if I were), I'm going off the information OP posted.

And it was a question.

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:12:00 2013 No.3743567

>>3743560

No one wants to kill libertarians and women. You're talking about an extremist minority and extrapolating that as a representation of the entire /pol/ demographic, which is so vast and varying that it doesn't fit under any one political banner or ideology.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:13:00 2013 No.3743570 >>3743567 it does fit under any one political banner or ideology, /pol/ hates kikes and niggers indiscriminately

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:14:00 2013 No.3743573

>>3743560
So you admit that /lit/ is just a mirror image of /pol/, then. But when you think about it, /lit/ is actually worse, since this board is meant to just be a place to discuss books, with no political agenda. This guy asked for recommendations, and you all Othered him to hell just because the books he wanted might have contained content you don't like.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:14:00 2013 No.3743574 >>3743545 It's like a kitchen because there is nothing but submissive beta males and their women overlords here, amirite?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:15:00 2013 No.3743575 >>3743574 shhh, read a book babby

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:15:00 2013 No.3743576 >>3743123 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_Gray_Flannel_Suit

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:15:00 2013 No.3743577 >>3743529 I am. Thanks for the recommendation

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:16:00 2013 No.3743580 >>3743573 Yup pretty much this. This thread, at least the beginning is as bad as /pol/. Or worse, as politics should stay at /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:19:00 2013 No.3743589 >>3743573 That wouldn't happen if /pol/ didn't raid /lit/ on a daily basis. I don't mind that kind of question in itself but the thread always ends up a shithole. We need a board dedicated to humanities and social science.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:20:00 2013 No.3743590 >>3743589 >That wouldn't happen if /pol/ didn't raid /lit/ on a daily basis. It wouldn't happen if shit reddit says didn't raid lit

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:26:00 2013 No.3743611

>>3743589
>That wouldn't happen if /pol/ didn't raid /lit/ on a daily basis.

I don't see why right-wing readers shouldn't be allowed to discuss literature pertaining to their ideologies on here without interference. As long as the discussion is related to books, no ideology should be privileged over another.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:29:00 2013 No.3743618 >>3743611 Because it makes shitholes. And /pol/ is well-aware of that. I would be glad to have cross-board discussions if it wasn't always like this.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:31:00 2013 No.3743622 File: 27 KB, 552x550, cletus.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743611 Mullet detected Go back to >>>/pol/ you filthy trailer park inbred.

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:31:00 2013 No.3743623

>>3743123
you can maybe find copies of jackson's "life among ther savages" and "rasing demons" for a lighter hearted look at this. also you might like "cheaper by the dozen", "life with father" and "please don't eat the daisies" they're a lot of fun, and also the books of jean shepherd ("a Christmas Story") Garrison Kiellor and earle hamner jr. might suit you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:32:00 2013 No.3743625 >>3743622 I want kids to leave Don't cry about lit turning to shit if you ignore the argument of posters which you "send" to other boards.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:33:01 2013 No.3743627 >>3743625 >>>/hm/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:34:01 2013 No.3743628 >>3743622 That's classist. Why don't you check your privilege, ivory tower scum?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:34:01 2013 No.3743629 >>3743627 >>>/lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:35:00 2013 No.3743630 >>3743625 I'm pretty sure the "Mullet detected" spammer is black or female. Of course they aren't capable of rational discussion.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:36:00 2013 No.3743636 >>3743627 >>3743629 >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:37:00 2013 No.3743637 >>3743636 >>>/s4s/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:41:00 2013 No.3743647 >>3743628 Go the fuck to >>>/pol/ now

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:42:00 2013 No.3743649 >>3743630 >>>/pol/ Trash where it belongs

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:43:00 2013 No.3743655 >>3743649 Get the fuck out Do you know how absurd you sound? You're sending people out of your "classy" board by calling them trash for no reason

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:43:01 2013 No.3743654 File: 6 KB, 198x160, fascinating.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743630 >>black or female One thing you fear and another thing you ignore. Interdasting. Tell us more.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:44:00 2013 No.3743660 >>3743647 Maybe you should go to /pol/, right-wing scum. Me, I'm a communist. I believe in empowering the proletariat, not oppressing them with offensive buzzwords like "Mullet".

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:44:00 2013 No.3743662 >>3743622 >filthy trailer park inbred. How ironic that you're exactly what you claim to hate. This type of stereotyping and bigotry is an essential part of your world view, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:45:01 2013 No.3743664 >>3743655 Get the fuck out. >>>/pol/ Now.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:45:01 2013 No.3743666 >>3743654 If you said that I feared girls and ignored blacks, you'd be slightly closer to the truth.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:46:01 2013 No.3743668 >>3743623 oh, and "Cheerfulness breaks in"

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:47:00 2013 No.3743674 >>3743664 You are literally retarded. Why are you on /lit/? Do you even read books?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:47:00 2013 No.3743675 File: 582 KB, 753x899, leftist zombie.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743664

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:48:01 2013 No.3743678 >>3743666 No, it's the other way. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it. People like you hate what you fear and feat what you ignore. And you don't get pussy, unless it is the sister's or with a fat, smelly stormcunt from a white ghetto.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:49:01 2013 No.3743680 Well, it seems that /lit/ is incapable of discussing things it doesn't agree with. Hardly a bastion of free-thought.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:50:01 2013 No.3743682 >>3743674 Go to >>>/pol/ Your people is there.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:50:01 2013 No.3743683 Dear god you are all horrible people

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:50:01 2013 No.3743687 >>3743680 It is not. And we like it that way. Now fuck off to >>>/pol/ scum

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:51:01 2013 No.3743689 >>3743687 How about you go to leddit and stop shitposting same post over and over again?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:53:01 2013 No.3743693 >>3743680 Fuck free-thought. Free-thought is what got us the shithole that is /pol/. A community should be willing and allowed to enforce its own standards of what's acceptable.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:54:01 2013 No.3743695 >right-wingers try to discuss a book in peace >left-wingers throw a shitstorm >both sides tell each other to go to /pol/ The cycle continues. You exist because we allow it, you will read because we demand it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:54:01 2013 No.3743696 >>3743693 In that case it is completely justified for pol to invade lit and change the standards that define it

Anonymous Fri May 10 14:54:01 2013 No.3743697

>>3743689

This is my board and your kind ruined it. So, you've been ordered:

Fuck off to >>>/pol/

Either you do, or you keep whining here, which reinforces what we all already know, that you are a mullet raiders of the kind that ruined lit.

Your choice.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:55:01 2013 No.3743701 >>3743678 Whoa, why so hostile, Jamal? I don't have a problem with you, I have a problem with your people.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:55:01 2013 No.3743702 >>3743697 >shitpost and spam the same thing constantly over a dozen times in the same thread >accuse others of ruining /lit/ ribbit pls

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:55:01 2013 No.3743703 >>3743696 Read the rules of 4chan Now, off to >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:56:01 2013 No.3743705 >>3743693 >Fuck free-thought Ladies and gentlemen: leftism.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:56:01 2013 No.3743708 >>3743703 >Read the rules of 4chan You read them. OP is ontopic. On the other hand, you're stating that community is what sets what board is about.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:57:01 2013 No.3743709 >>3743693 >Fuck free-thought. Free-thought is what got us the shithole that is /pol/. A community should be willing and allowed to enforce its own standards of what's acceptable. Modern day liberalism gentlemen. Locke would be turning in his grave.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:57:01 2013 No.3743710 >>3743693 >Fuck free-thought. /lit/ in a nutshell, lol.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:57:01 2013 No.3743711 >>3743702 Get. The. Fuck. Out. >>>/pol/ Don't you have your sister waiting at the trailer park? Some NRA gathering? Black metal concert? Just fuck off. Your kind is the cancer of lit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:57:01 2013 No.3743714 >>3743589 >That wouldn't happen if /pol/ didn't raid /lit/ on a daily basis. >implying top lel

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:58:01 2013 No.3743715 >>3743708 No, you read them, Cletus. No raiding is allowed. Now go to >>>/pol/ with the rest of the swine.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:58:01 2013 No.3743718 >>3743703 I don't see any rules prohibiting right-wing beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:58:01 2013 No.3743719 >>3743711 >insulting black metal I've been putting up with your shitposting thus far, but you just earned yourself an ignore with that gem, my good sir. Eat shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:59:00 2013 No.3743723 >>3743719 Thanks. Now... >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:59:01 2013 No.3743721 >>3743715 >No, you read them, Cletus. No raiding is allowed. You're raiding right now.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 14:59:01 2013 No.3743722 >>3743714 Green text is pleb. Fuck off to >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:00:00 2013 No.3743724 File: 476 KB, 960x720, nice cup of tea.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743711

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:00:00 2013 No.3743725 >>3743721 I am waiting for you to join your flock at >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:01:01 2013 No.3743726 File: 57 KB, 800x399, calm hitler vs irrational opposition.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:01:01 2013 No.3743728 >>3743725 Why? I'm not raiding for pol However, you're raiding for your own personal beliefs. You should be reported.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:01:01 2013 No.3743729

>>3743674

This inept buzzword-slinging dork (no offense to dorks intended, I'm one myself) does not represent us, and we do not condone his bigoted and intolerant views. All are welcome to /lit/ to discuss literature.

Sincerely,
The sane half of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:02:00 2013 No.3743730 >>3743728 Do it faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:02:00 2013 No.3743733 O.k., I am off to >>>/pol/ like the autistic ordered. Fuck this place. Fuck you all.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:02:00 2013 No.3743734 For the love of god, just stop posting you morons. All of you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:03:01 2013 No.3743736 >>3743678 >racist and bigoted stereotypes are ok as long as I'm using them!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:03:01 2013 No.3743737 >>3743733 Same here. Fuck /lit/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:03:01 2013 No.3743739 >>3743500 Claiming that there are "unique skill sets" is the unscientific thing, you fucking dolt.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:04:00 2013 No.3743743 >>3743678 Yeah, blacks are such a huge threat to white people, with their overwhelming political, media and banking influence. Gee, we just don't know what to do. We're so petrified.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:04:00 2013 No.3743744 >>3743733 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:04:00 2013 No.3743745 Hey autistic social justice warrior, I'm still here, waiting for sane discussion. What now?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:04:01 2013 No.3743740 >>3743737 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:04:01 2013 No.3743741 >>3743709 /pol/ internet defense force detected. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:04:01 2013 No.3743742 File: 54 KB, 468x286, hurt_feelings_police.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743733 >>3743725 >>3743723 >>3743722 >>3743715 >>3743711 >>3743703 >>3743697 >>3743687 >>3743682 >>3743664 >>3743649 >>3743647 >>3743622 >This incredible butthurt

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:05:01 2013 No.3743749 >RIGHT WING SCUM, YOUR TIME HAS COME

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:05:01 2013 No.3743750 File: 120 KB, 498x720, 1350714671109.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743682 >Your people is there. >people is Confirmed for Sub-Saharan.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:05:01 2013 No.3743752

Pretty much any treatise dealing with the stability of civilizations. Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, etc.
The whole shebang with the dismantlement of the family unit started with marxism and is mostly championed by similarly minded sociology-dropouts nowaday.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:06:01 2013 No.3743757 File: 10 KB, 197x255, 8756.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743743 >Yeah, blacks are such a huge threat to white people, with their overwhelming political, media and banking influence. So who does have that influence?

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:07:01 2013 No.3743761

>>3743752
The "family unit" didn't even come into being until the most recent few millenia and wasn't even a universal idea then. Societies outside of Eurasia have had other social structures (and continue to have other social structures) for untold centuries.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:07:01 2013 No.3743763

Hi there. I seem to be lost. I had hoped to find a place where I could discuss important contemporary right-wing issues like the Holocaust lie and how all feminism is misandry, but I must have somehow wondered into the wrong place. Could anyone suggest a board that would be more suitable to the type of discussion I am seeking? Thanks in advance.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:07:01 2013 No.3743764 >>3743739 Right, because women certainly aren't smaller and have lower muscle mass, making them less capable in physical positions... Do you even 3rd grade science?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:08:01 2013 No.3743767 >>3743668 >>3743623 >>3743216 Has anybody else noticed that these are the only posts suggesting books that fit OP's question, and neither he nor anyone else is commenting on them? They are all excellent books by the way, especially the Jackson ones.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:08:01 2013 No.3743768 File: 124 KB, 573x572, 1234.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >anon wants to read literature about the traditional family unit >BACK TO /pol/ >OMG ITZ A /pol/ RAID >MAN THE RAMPARTS ITZ /pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:09:00 2013 No.3743771 >>3743697 >i migrated here from Rebbit 2 weeks ago fair and square! THIS IS MY LAND NOT YOURS!

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:09:00 2013 No.3743772

>>3743764
Statistically insignificant difference and also not universally true. There are many, many men with muscle mass that pales in comparison to that of some women.

All you're saying here is "strong people should do things that strong people can do".

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:10:00 2013 No.3743775 >>3743763 I believe /sci/ has what you seek.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:11:00 2013 No.3743778 >>3743768 >tfw no1curr

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:11:00 2013 No.3743779

>>3743761
>didn't even come into being until the most recent few millenia and wasn't even a universal idea then
Yeah, not like we have Babylonian and Assyrian law texts enforcing monogamy on their subjects for anything short of the wife being barren.
>Societies outside of Eurasia have had other social structures
Societies outside of Eurasia have never managed to achieve stable tribal structures to grow on.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:11:00 2013 No.3743781 >>3743763 >that straw man Maybe you could try >>>/b/ instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:11:00 2013 No.3743783 >>3743752 >Babylonians, Assyrians Temple whores >Persians Overthrown by a bisexual >Romans Who were at their most powerful when they were at their most decadent.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:11:00 2013 No.3743784 >>3743772 are you for serious, nigga? if bitches be equally strong to dudes, then how comes dudes be raping bitches so easily yo?

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:11:00 2013 No.3743785
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>>3743711
>Don't you have your sister waiting at the trailer park? Some NRA gathering? Black metal concert?

Just like to point out this is the same crap that comes from the other side far too often, but directed at us. Please don't stoop to this level. You really are acting a fool right now with these racially based stereotypes.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:11:00 2013 No.3743787 >>3743772 >Statistically insignificant That's a polite way of saying he's right. If it's insignificant why are professional sports gender segregated?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:12:00 2013 No.3743788 >>3743767 I'm pretty sure some of old Hegel works also apply. I think it's Philosophy of Right where he talks about family and it's importance for the state.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:12:00 2013 No.3743792 >>3743779 >Societies outside of Eurasia have never managed to achieve stable tribal structures to grow on. You are completely full of shit and know nothing about history or anthropology. A fucking Cracked writer would be more well-informed than you.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:13:00 2013 No.3743795 >>3743772 An average male is significantly stronger than an average female, so it's not statistically insignificant at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:13:00 2013 No.3743797 >>3743715 >No raiding is allowed. >posting anything I disagree with is raiding and should be banned!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:13:00 2013 No.3743798 >>3743783 homo > bi > heterosexuals deal with it cis hetero scum

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:14:00 2013 No.3743802 >>3743798 Greek love, splendid

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:15:00 2013 No.3743803

>>3743783
>Temple whores
Yeah, and? Do you understand what family means?
>Overthrown by a bisexual
Again, and?
>Who were at their most powerful when they were at their most decadent.
Not at all. The west Empire's late period left them so weak they couldn't even keep internal control anymore.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:16:00 2013 No.3743809 >>3743792 That's a whole lot of butthurt with no examples to go with it you got there.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:16:00 2013 No.3743813 >>3743798 actually bi > hetero > homo now back to /pol/ you go!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:16:00 2013 No.3743814 >>3743772 >Statistically insignificant difference >roughly 50% more upper body strength and 30% lower body strength on average

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:16:00 2013 No.3743815 >>3743808 What does that even mean?

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:17:00 2013 No.3743817
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>>3743772
>Statistically insignificant difference and also not universally true.

It's not statistically insignificant. We learn this in elementary science class. Women have more fat and less muscle and men have less fat and more muscle. It's a fact. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge it shows the level of brainwashing you've allowed yourself to succumb to. When all logic and science is dismissed because of:

>MUH FEELINZ!

You know you've lost touch with reality. Get help.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:17:00 2013 No.3743818 >>3743785 >from the other side far too often It's extremely common from all sides.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:18:00 2013 No.3743820 >>3743808 >tfw you will never partake in radical gay subculture

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:18:00 2013 No.3743821 Have you noticed how the /pol/tards keep referencing elementary school science?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:19:00 2013 No.3743826 >>3743821 No, but I have noticed that radical leftists like to pretend to love science but don't really understand it and are very quick to attack biology as "evotruth".

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:19:00 2013 No.3743827 >>3743821 That or basic summary from Wikipedia.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:19:01 2013 No.3743823 >>3743821 Have you noticed how the libtards keep getting things wrong on elementary school science level?

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:19:01 2013 No.3743824

>>3743803
So sleeping around is not detrimental to the family structure?

Apparently, bisexuals are more successful than virtuous family men, if your generalizing is to be applied fairly.

The Romans were probably at their most decadent under Augustus. The declining Western Empire was staunchly Christian. Read Gibbon.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:20:00 2013 No.3743832 >>3743798 Homosexuality was cool before it went mainstream. Now it's totally lame. Who wants to be associated with those shrill mincers?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:21:01 2013 No.3743835 >>3743821 That's only because your lot keep getting it wrong, lol.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:22:01 2013 No.3743838
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>>3743824
>So sleeping around is not detrimental to the family structure?
Have some data

>>3743832
This. It was okay before everyone feeling bad took it up to fill the hole in their heart. It's all about debauchery nowdays.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:22:01 2013 No.3743841 File: 51 KB, 502x258, joe-rogan.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743763 Rebbit is where you belong, plebeian.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:22:01 2013 No.3743844 >>3743823 >>3743826 >>3743835 lol damn you guys are ready to jump on people now haha

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:22:01 2013 No.3743845 >>3743824 Tacitus believed that the Empire had become more decadent since Augustus's death.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:23:00 2013 No.3743847 >>3743838 Oh boy is it infographics time now? This is my favorite part of /pol/ arguments

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:23:00 2013 No.3743851 >>3743847 Don't forget to check the citations listed on it!

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:24:00 2013 No.3743854
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Granted, no wife in the book, but there are consequences to that. Atticus came off as mopey and withdrawn (mind you, it's been years since I've read this) to me, and Scout is a tomboy with no maternal figure. OP, you need to delve into some Mark Twain (Tom Sawyer, not so much Huck because that's I'm-on-a-boat-with-a-darkie and his father's disappeared for most of the book) and Faulkner. Southern writers, essentially. As to the thread, I'm from /pol/ and was curious to see if /lit/ was as bad as they said. This was a cleverly disguised troll thread (I'm not OP). Move along with your retarded lives.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:24:00 2013 No.3743856
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>>3743824
>So sleeping around is not detrimental to the family structure?
Clearly not if it doesn't affect the family. The strength is in how stable of a ground it is, not being "nice".
>Apparently, bisexuals are more successful than virtuous family men
Apparently one of them was. White supremacists share that very same logic and they have far more data points.
>Read Gibbon.
A work outdated by 224 years of advancement in a field that, at the time, amounted to little more than taking written sources as fact.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:25:00 2013 No.3743859 >>3743838 I was talking about temple whores and you give me data about homosexuals. Good job, son. I know it's pointless to continue talking to you now.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:25:00 2013 No.3743860 >>3743851 Oh I know, I've got to look at every citation and refute every word or he wins! And then he just has to post another one!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:26:00 2013 No.3743863 >>3743860 You don't need to check every citation, just point me to the reason why the data is wrong.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:27:00 2013 No.3743867
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>>3743818

I know it does, but what I am trying to say here is that it is pointless to try to fight racism by using racist stereotypes against people that you don't agree with. I see this same crap far too often and I always call it out. How can someone complain about common minority stereotypes when they're slinging stereotypes about white people? It's self-defeating and makes us look bad. I am alienating myself from this idiot because I don't want to be associated with it and I want you guys to know from your political perspective that not all of us engage in this type of bigoted behavior.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:27:00 2013 No.3743871 >>3743838 Those facts are rock solid. At Uni we did a class analysis on them to debunk at least some... and the teacher canceled the project when defeat was the likely outcome.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:27:00 2013 No.3743872 >>3743824 How were later Romans less decadent under Augustus? It seemed to me that greed has run so rampant in the later empire it rotted from the inside, but I haven't read Gibbon (it's on my list) so I'm curious what he says.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:28:00 2013 No.3743873 >>3743856 >>Apparently, bisexuals are more successful than virtuous family men Good job leaving out the bit about your generalizations. Apparently when bisexuals are concerned you shouldn't generalize?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:28:00 2013 No.3743874 >>3743867 >white people Stop. White people don't exist. White is a designation for the ruling class and are defined by oppression of minorities.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:28:00 2013 No.3743875 >>3743860 You realise you're basically conceding defeat, right? You're saying "I know I'm wrong, but I will still act as I'm right because fuck it!" Anti-intellectual scum.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:28:00 2013 No.3743876

don't miss "the road to many a wonder" and "Mrs. Mike" either, and a lot of louisa may alcotts books too stress the traditonal family and its ups and downs. You'll find quite a bit in late nineteenth and early ywentieth century literature. You could also do worse than to read Kiplings story of his marriage and family life from "something of myself"

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:28:00 2013 No.3743877 >>3743863 >I'm right prove me wrong I thought this was bannable on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:29:00 2013 No.3743878 File: 9 KB, 200x295, Take a hike.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >people seriously believing the family unit is a post-industrialization phenomenon Sociology hasn't believed that since the 60s. Read some Laslett and unplebify yourselves.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:29:00 2013 No.3743879 >>3743877 I provided you with a reason why I'm right. You're refusing to refute that reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:29:00 2013 No.3743880 >>3743872 That Christianity brought down the Empire. I don't strictly agree, but it is worth noting that the Romans could be debaucherous deviants and still rule the known world.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:30:00 2013 No.3743882 >>3743875 Yep, I concede defeat. You win the internet! Congratulations! Your trophy is in transit!

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:30:00 2013 No.3743883
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>>3743821

I noticed a lot of retarded creationists ITT saying crap like men and women are physiologically identical, etc.

>BUT GOD PLANTED US HERE ON THIS ROCK AND MADE US EQUAL EXACTLY AS WE ARE HURR DURR

No, retard.

No.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:30:00 2013 No.3743885 >>3743874 not sure if serious do you people understand the concept of phenotypes?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:32:00 2013 No.3743888 >>3743885 >phenotypes So Michael Jackson was white?

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:33:00 2013 No.3743893

>>3743882
Great. So you acknowledge that homosexuality is a degenerate culture and a mental illness. I'm glad you've seen the light.

Oh, but you haven't, have you? You recognised data that you couldn't dispute, but instead of acknowledging it and re-evaluating your position, you prefer you close your ears and shout "la la la I'm not listening!" because your ideology is more important than the truth.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:34:00 2013 No.3743895
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>>3743874
>White people don't exist.

Of course they do. Are you living under a rock? Europeans are colloquially known as white people because, well, they're white! Diversity isn't something to be ashamed of. Did you know that Africans are the most genetically diverse on the planet? Not saying that makes Africans better, just an interesting fact. We all have unique differences about us and I do believe that all races on Earth serve a unique purpose.

BTW, whenever I post something about "Black Power" I do not mean that as an equivalency to "Black Supremacy" which many idiots will confuse it with. Just to clear it up in advance, I don't think any race is superior to another.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:34:00 2013 No.3743897 >>3743888 oh god you honestly are retarded aren't you? why is /lit/ so science illiterate?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:35:01 2013 No.3743898 >>3743897 /lit/ hates /sci/ not that /pol/ is more /sci/ than /lit/

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:36:01 2013 No.3743899 >>3743897 Phenotype: how it looks Genotype: what's in the genes Don't be so arrogant if you don't even know basic biology yourself, you cunt.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:36:01 2013 No.3743900 >>3743897 Some of the new left's more favorite authors abuse science like it's going out of style. Lewontin's Fallacy is STILL an extremely common chant of the new left.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:36:01 2013 No.3743901 >>3743893 Dude you already won what more do you want lol

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:37:00 2013 No.3743902 >>3743899 If you're going to cite wikipedia at least keep reading beyond the first few lines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype#Difficulties_in_definition

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:37:00 2013 No.3743903 >>3743898 hating /sci/ doesn't mean you have to hate or ignore science. that's retarded. i have to say that i'm very disappointed by /lit/, it really seems like an awful board. /tv/ had such nice things to say about you, too.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:38:00 2013 No.3743904
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Hey SJW, if blacks and whites are exactly the same physiologically since evolution is a big lie from satan and all that, why are there no white CBs in the NFL?

Furthermore, why can't white Europeans win a 100 meter dash since blacks started competing? I'll be waiting for your feel-induced response.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:38:00 2013 No.3743906

>>3743897
You know, if you were a eugenicist designing people for better adattation to the earth, you'd probably make them all short and black, but with better digestive enzymes and different immune characteristics.........and wait a minute, isn't this thread for books featuring traditional families in positive lights?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:39:01 2013 No.3743908 >>3743904 >>3743903 Guys, you're forgetting that science and logic don't matter in post modernism. We're on /lit/: post modernism general

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:39:01 2013 No.3743909 File: 61 KB, 700x716, 1304009759411.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743903 /lit/ has gone down in quality since pseudo-philosopher shitheads invited their political friends. >muh lacan, deleuze, kuhn, feyerabend

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:39:01 2013 No.3743910 >>3743906 That's never what this thread was for and we tried to tell you that. It was obvious /pol/ bait.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:40:01 2013 No.3743912 >>3743854 Oh my god I haven't read this in ages... you just inspired me. Thank you anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:40:01 2013 No.3743913 >>3743902 it's not citing wikipedia. it's citing high school biology, which you obviously never took

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:40:01 2013 No.3743916 >>3743899 the phenotype is largely the product of the genotype. michael jackson had cosmetic surgery to disguise his true phenotypical traits.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:41:00 2013 No.3743917 >>3743879 >You're refusing to refute that reason. Because he can't. If he engages you, he knows he'll lose. See the SRS rules for non-SJW; you never engage them fully or you lose, they know this.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:41:00 2013 No.3743918 >>3743910 well, in that case wouldn't it amke it a better /lit/ thread if thats what we actually talked about? there a re plenty of great ones. at the worst, it would kill the thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:42:00 2013 No.3743920 >>3743902 Erm, it just says that chemical and behavorial properties are also part of the phenotype. So, uh.. Being raised by a doctor of Biology I'm pretty fucking confident I will win this argument, son.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:43:00 2013 No.3743923 >>3743838 thank god all those references are all 30 years old. god. I might've been worried that homophobic heteroscum been right with his outdated data.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:43:00 2013 No.3743926 >>3743923 >heteroscum Good job rising above it, moron.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:44:00 2013 No.3743930 >>3743926 >I don't have to behave like a decent human being because you don't either!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:45:00 2013 No.3743936 >>3743880 Gibbons was proved wrong by fellow historians. The military and economic theories stand, but not the Christianity one.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:45:01 2013 No.3743933 >>3743909 this board is only going to get worse and it isn't fucking /pol/'s fault

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:45:01 2013 No.3743934 >>3743923 Good thing that no one on /lit/ reads books older than 30 years because they're outdated.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:45:01 2013 No.3743935 [DELETED]

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>>3743904

Gee, nobody wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole. What's the matter? I'm sure there is some non-physiological, non-biological, non-adaptive explanation for all of this, right? Come on, show me what you got.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:46:00 2013 No.3743940 >>3743909 >>muh lacan, deleuze, kuhn, feyerabend implying those philosophers are bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:46:00 2013 No.3743941 >>3743934 You just demonstrated you know fuckall about science and academia

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:47:01 2013 No.3743942 >>3743909 This is like atheist+ fedoraland.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:48:00 2013 No.3743946
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>>3743123
>to me as to books outlining the benefits of having a traditional family
Peter Laslett.
The World We Have Lost: England Before the Industrial Age.
Household and Family in Past Time.
Statistical Studies in Historical Social Structure.
The World We Have Lost: Further Explored.
Family Forms in Historic Europe.

Pic related is for all the off-topic bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:48:00 2013 No.3743947 >>3743936 I'm aware. Still, it's worth reading. Interesting stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:48:00 2013 No.3743949 >>3743946 Based anon

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:49:00 2013 No.3743953 >>3743940 They're the fucking worst of the worst. There's people actually seriously arguing that people couldn't have died of diseases before they were officially discovered thanks to solipsist demagogues like kuhn and feyerabend.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:49:00 2013 No.3743955

>>3743926
ohh no. did I hurt your poor hetero feelings? it sucks being hetero in this homonormative world where you can be straightbashed if you're taking a walk home, or not having basic human rights or having people label you mentally ill. my deepest apologies, my fellow het brethren. your oppression is well noted, I shall check my fag privilege.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:50:00 2013 No.3743959 >>3743941 It's not easy finding research on topics that are politically correct. Moreso in last fifteen years.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:51:01 2013 No.3743962 >>3743953 You just proved how little you actually know about any of those philosophers thoughts.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:51:01 2013 No.3743965 >>3743934 good thing there exists fiction and non-fiction.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:51:01 2013 No.3743968 File: 144 KB, 1255x505, class lit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743955 Enjoy your aids. Knowing your kind, you're spreading it everywhere intentionally

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:51:01 2013 No.3743969 >destroying the family unit in the name of "womyn's empowerment" Feminism is/will be the downfall of society, which will ironically be the end of female "choice" once we are back to living in caves.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:51:01 2013 No.3743970 >>3743962 Or rather, you proved that there are idiots that don't understand them.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:52:01 2013 No.3743973
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>>3743941

You don't know shit about science. You have a total lack of respect for any scientific literature that disagrees with your indoctrinated Marxist worldview. You're a braindead lemming serving a political class of oligarchs that don't give a shit about you.

I'm about to crush you SJW faggots under the weight of peer reviewed evidence. Hold onto your fucking ovaries, because shit's about to get real.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:53:01 2013 No.3743976 >>3743955 What in the actual fuck is this post?

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:54:00 2013 No.3743980
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>>3743968
God I love this picture so much.
The best thing is that Foucault didn't only know and even understood analytical philosophy, but also agreed with it and appreciated it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:54:00 2013 No.3743981 File: 66 KB, 670x870, 1363465315532.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] FACT is, homosexuality is a fetish or a hobby at best. Nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:54:00 2013 No.3743982 >>3743973 I shiver with anticipation.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:54:01 2013 No.3743979

>>3743962
>>3743970
a) You can't claim "not understanding them" because at least Feyerabend opposed such qualitative judgements cause you can't prove shit through empiricism anyway and b) they're a bunch of obscurist hacks who are known solely for their opposition to Science in favor of making us all sociologists guessworkers instead.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:55:00 2013 No.3743986 >>3743981 It should be that way, but the majority of fags prove it to be otherwise. I'm okay with a homosexual. I'm not okay with a fag on a parade.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:55:01 2013 No.3743983 >>3743973 Oh boy oh boy it's time for the infographic bomb! Everyone grab your popcorn and milk duds!

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:56:00 2013 No.3743988
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>>3743973

Let me preface this by saying I strongly believe all humans to be equal in rights, but to say our genes have not been selected on differently is erroneous and shows a lack of understanding of natural selection.

PEER REVIEWED STUDIES INCOMING

Africans have brains that are between 9%-20% smaller than Caucasoid/Mongoloid brains (see sources). And while there is certainly a correlation between brain size and intelligence in relation to body size as indicated by this study:

http://soozzone.com/PDFs/ED690DesCorr_SConnell.pdf

scientists continue to argue to what extent brain size and intelligence are related. In other words, there is a correlation, and that correlation has been determined to be significant, but some argue about how significant it is.

What we know today is that the hominid brain tripled in size over the last 3 million years from Australopithecus to Homo erectus to modern humans, so obviously brain size has something to do with our development as a species. Growing a larger brain requires more resources (in the form of calories, food intake), and our understanding of natural selection tells us that the body is designed to run as efficiently as possible. The larger brain would have been developed in an era of food scarcity, so it is hardly an accident or coincidence that hominids developed larger brains; it had to be selected for. Having a larger brain gave earlier hominids a distinct advantage and therefore, those individuals with the larger brain (and the advantage that larger brain gives) passed those genes down to their offspring, while our smaller-brained ancestors didn't make the cut.

Brain size and intelligence:

http://public.gettysburg.edu/~leinbach/Bioinformatics2007/Microcephalin%20pos%20selcn%20humans%20Science%202005.pdf
http://link.springer.com/article/10.3758%2FBF03210739
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_and_intelligence#Brain_size

African brain:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aja.1000050402/abstract

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:56:00 2013 No.3743990 >>3743983 >100 images omitted At least it's becoming funny.

Anonymous Fri May 10 15:57:01 2013 No.3743993

>>3743979
Well I read only two books by Feyerabend, but I think he's basically saying:
a) identifying AIDS as AIDS isn't anything really
b) you can't cure it just with scientific identification of something.
c) The cure might be in something that is currently seen as pseudo-science, just like heliocentric system was.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:58:01 2013 No.3743994 File: 58 KB, 648x486, bdsm_by_Listentothevoices.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743980 >Foucault, philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 15:59:01 2013 No.3743998 File: 16 KB, 310x233, 3qb0rf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3743988 TL;DR Sorry. Now I'm off to my swag party with my niggers Jay-Z and Rihanna, get high on weed, and shag delicious mamas. Enjoy your basement!

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:00:01 2013 No.3744000 >>3743994 I don't even get what are you trying to imply. But before you try to imply something wrong you should read Archaeology of knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:00:01 2013 No.3744005 >>3743998 top lel >>3743988 Thanks anon. I'm saving that to my studies.txt file

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:01:00 2013 No.3744009 >>3743988 If that were true though, and Africans were really mentally less capable, why aren't they getting government compensation for their disability?

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:02:01 2013 No.3744011

>>3743988
>Brain size and intelligence
Again with this bullshit.
Even if there is correlation, that's just correlation between size and capacity for intelligence.
You can be born with large size of brains, but that won't help you if you don't use them...

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:02:01 2013 No.3744012 [DELETED]

>>3743904
>Furthermore, why can't white Europeans win a 100 meter dash since blacks started competing? I'll be waiting for your feel-induced response.
Because Africans can't afford complex sport installations and running is cheap so it's the thing they focus on. It ain't rocket science.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:02:01 2013 No.3744013

>>3743993
Kuhn was reasonable most of the time but decided to start bullshitting about how old science was suddenly not living in the same world as new science and that it was a fundamental mistake to consider more refined and accurate methods to be better.

Feyerabend meanwhile was a relativist prick who outright states he believes "anything goes" solely arguing that it's true cause all methods have their limitations. He's only ever brought up because he did his best to legitimize pseudo-science.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:03:00 2013 No.3744016 File: 57 KB, 699x467, hdfsd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3744000 well played.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:03:00 2013 No.3744018 >>3744011 >You can be born with large size of brains, but that won't help you if you don't use them... Platitudes are cool and all, but did you care to refute the scientific evidence, or...?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:04:00 2013 No.3744024 >>3744013 But anything does go. Shit if anything wouldn't go we'd still believe that Earth is the centre of solar system and that oxygen is dephlogestinated air.

>>	OP 0krs25Dkz Fri May 10 16:04:00 2013 No.3744026 >>3743988 How does that Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study not disprove your entire argument? You showed that differences in home environments have enormous effects on IQs.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:05:00 2013 No.3744028
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>>3743988

The 15 point IQ difference between blacks and whites is in part due to genetics
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/pppl1.pdf
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2005hereditarian-hypothesis.pdf
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2012RaceandRushton.pdf
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen-reply-to-commentaries-on-30years.pdf
http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/004064.html

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:05:00 2013 No.3744030 >>3743988 >Intelligence is Real, Objective, and Mesurable oh dear

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:05:00 2013 No.3744031

I'd say the best fictional treatment I've seen of this idea has got to be "greenwillow" by B.J. Chute. She tells a great and fun light fantasy love story about a boy who want s to marry a nice orphan girl, who also wants to marry him, but he is afraid that his family "curse" to wander off and leave your wife to raise the children alone, will strike him, and he can't stand the thought of deserting her in that way. He has had to take care of his family farm, including his grandmother and mother, both of whom were deserted by their husbands, and several younger siblings. He makes the farm into a going concern and educates the next oldest to take care of it when he leaves, as he feels he inevitably must when his "call" comes. Involved in all this is a possibly magical minister at the local church, an old miser who was jilted by the grandmother, a lot of cats that cause theological disputes, and the devil himself. I's an amazingly good book on families and relationships and you couldn't ask for more traditional virtues. I'm surprised there was never a movie.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:06:00 2013 No.3744036

>>3744018
That's just basic logic.
Also:
Early anthropologists and psychometricians found correlations, but modern studies began with Van Valen 1974, which suggested a correlation of 0.3. Jensen & Johnson's 1994 "Race and sex differences in head size and IQ" wrote of the successive literature that

"In all of the 25 independent studies we have found in the literature, nonzero positive correlations between head measurements and intelligence measurements have been found, all but five with correlations significant beyond the .05 confidence level. The average correlation between various external measures of head size and IQ is close to + .15. But external head size is a rather weak proxy for brain size. Two recent studies have measured brain size per se by means of magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and found correlations with IQ in the .30 to .40 range (Andreasen et al., 1993; Willerman, Schultz, Rutledge, & Bigler, 1991)."

Nguyen & McDaniel's 2000 meta-analysis[3] found similarly, as did McDaniel's 2005 "Big-brained people are smarter: A meta-analysis of the relationship between in vivo brain volume and intelligence":

"...based on 37 samples across 1530 people, the population correlation was estimated at 0.33...For external head measures, Vernon et al. (2000) reported the population correlation between head size and intelligence to be 0.19. Nguyen and McDaniel (2000) reported population correlations from 0.17 to 0.26 for three different sub-categories of external head size measures. Studies assessing the correlation between in vivo brain volume and intelligence are more rare. Vernon et al. (2000) reported data on 15 such correlations and obtained a population correlation of 0.33. Nguyen and McDaniel (2000) reported the same population correlation based on 14 correlations. Gignac, Vernon, and Wickett (2003) reported data published in 2000 or earlier with a mean correlation of 0.37."

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:06:00 2013 No.3744037

>>3744024
>But anything does go.
Not in the pursuit of truth in science, which is what he was arguing.
The methods he spoke of were the scientific method(s).
He said that since they're all limited in some way anything should go.

Which is like sort of like the idiots bringing up Gödel's incompleteness theorem in non-arithmetic systems only far more blatantly retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:07:00 2013 No.3744041 File: 2.14 MB, 3741x3887, ethnicity.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3744028 >using taxonomic arguments when talking about races >implying races have any kind of biological founding principles

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:08:00 2013 No.3744044
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>>3744026

Intelligence is largely heritable
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/full/mp201185a.html
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ng.2250.html
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ng.2237.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/309/5741/1717.abstract
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/international-team-uncovers-new-231989.aspx
https://gene.sfari.org/GeneDetail/CNTNAP2#HG

CNTNAP2 and MCPH1 genes.
The rs10784502 (T allele) variant of the CNTNAP2 gene associated with increased cranial volume has a greater frequency in
East-Asian and Indo-European populations, and less in most African populations:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/SNP/snp_ref.cgi?rs=rs10784502

The Haplogroup D allele of MCPH1 gene is unique to Eurasian populations. Sub-Saharan Africans lack this allele:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcephalin#Evolution

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:08:00 2013 No.3744046 >>3744036 >correlations from .3 to .4 >significant muh social sciences

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:09:00 2013 No.3744051 /lit be honest you just don't -feel- like reading black authors, can we keep /pol/iticking out of this?

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Anonymous Fri May 10 16:10:00 2013 No.3744055
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>>3744044
Ongoing Adaptive Evolution of ASPM, a Brain Size Determinant in Homo sapiens
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/309/5741/1720

Microcephalin, a Gene Regulating Brain Size, Continues to Evolve Adaptively in Humans
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/309/5741/1717

Mainstream Science on Intelligence
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997mainstream.pdf

Haplogroups as markers for genetic intelligence/cognitive ability
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/haprinderm.pdf

Negroids of different lineage to Caucasians, haplogroups A&B
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

>>	OP 0krs25Dkz Fri May 10 16:11:00 2013 No.3744058 >>3744044 But you just showed a ton of different nongenetic factors that can affect IQ

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:12:00 2013 No.3744063 File: 202 KB, 723x948, argument.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3744058 /pol/tards don't understand how discussions work.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:13:00 2013 No.3744065
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>>3744055

In 1959, AAMD set the IQ threshold for mental retardation at < 85. The civil rights movement of the next decade forced psychologists to rethink this boundary, because half of the African American population fell below it. In 1973, responding to this concern, AAMD changed the threshold for retardation from IQ < 85 to IQ < 70. The boundary moved south by one standard deviation! The proportion of blacks below the threshold instantly dropped from about 50 percent to 12 percent. Subsequent refinements made it still more difficult to meet the criteria for retardation.

Erectus Walks Amongst Us
http://erectuswalksamongst.us

Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:13:00 2013 No.3744069 >>3744058 Nature and nurture both play a role. Your point?

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:13:01 2013 No.3744064

>>3744037
Gödel's incompleteness theorem is always a fun thing to name drop if you try to sound like a pretentious fuck.
And again, you can't deny that some of the biggest epistemological breaks came outside of the mainstream science.
Why should we now try to limit ourselves on just what we understand as science fact, if this changes all the time?
Stop cargo worshipping scientific facts, just because they're said to be scientific facts.

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Anonymous Fri May 10 16:17:00 2013 No.3744084

>>3744064
>epistemological breaks
Is not what scientists are after. They recognize the limitations of the systems they work within even if people like Feyerabend liked to pretend they were far more limited than they are.
>on just what we understand as science fact, if this changes all the time?
It doesn't. Like most things they are iterated upon, more refined than before. As long as you are aware of those limitations it can be safely acted upon.
You're pretty much just arguing in favor of creationism at this point. "Teach the controversy".
>Stop cargo worshipping scientific facts
Stop replacing ego for thought like most degenerate continental worshippers. "But it's soooo interesting!"' the Frenchmen cries as his dinosaurs no longer live next to his cavemen.

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Anonymous Fri May 10 16:18:00 2013 No.3744090
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>>3744026

You mean the study that clearly shows black admixtures reduce standardized test scores, no matter whether they're raised in white households or not?

It's not all nurture, anon...

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:19:01 2013 No.3744094 >>3744089 >proof niggers refuse to work and steal and kill instead

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:20:00 2013 No.3744105

>>3744084
>Because science came to an end. There's nothing we can learn, nothing that can be discovered. We have reached the absolute knowledge!
I pity most of modern so-called scientist being afraid to go into unknown, because it's scary and might be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:20:01 2013 No.3744100 >>3744094 That's not the murder rate by ethnicity anon! Those are even worse.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:20:01 2013 No.3744104
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>>3744089

This is a chicken or egg scenario. All you have to do is look at bastions of non-white areas like Haiti and Detroit to see what a nigger left to its own devices devolves into with no white interference.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:22:00 2013 No.3744109 >>3744105 And how would they go into the unknown?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:22:00 2013 No.3744110 >>3744009 They are. It's called welfare and white people are paying for it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:23:00 2013 No.3744113 >>3744110 So what's the problem then?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:23:00 2013 No.3744115 >>3744105 Scientists work with the unknown. They just look for things in nature, much like all philosophers of value, rather than pretend water has memory or that physical constants are all relative.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:23:00 2013 No.3744116

>>3744011
>Even if there is correlation, that's just correlation between size and capacity for intelligence.

You basically agreed with him and didn't even realize it. This is the whole point of the post, he's saying that blacks have a smaller capacity for intelligence than whites and that's shown by the data. That doesn't mean that a black cannot be as smart as a white, but that the white person has a genetic advantage when it comes to this physiological trait.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:26:00 2013 No.3744127
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>>3744009
>>3744011
>>3744026
>>3744036

So none of the scientific evidence for difference in mental acuity is accurate, yet this is:

>>3743904

Funny how nobody even bothered trying to refute this. It's so blatantly obvious that blacks have an advantage that to even acknowledge this post means facing the reality of the situation: humans evolved in different geographical areas and developed different traits most suited to that environment.

Deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:28:00 2013 No.3744135 >>3744115 Well yeah, and again, maybe I'm misinterpreting Feyerabend, or maybe I forgot that part. But the way I understand his reasoning is, that every method works if you attain actual measurable results. Which is basically what science should do.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:28:00 2013 No.3744137
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>>3744113

Niggers are a burden.

>White Americans have an average IQ of 103 (tied for 5th highest globally)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#US_test_scores

>White Americans score 7th highest internationally on PISA reading comprehension test.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/pisa-scores-show-demography-is-destiny-in-education-too-but-washington
-doesnt-want-you-to-k

>White Americans have an average income of $55,000 (9th highest in the world)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2009/09/chart_american_income_by_race.html

>White Americans have a adjusted Disposable Income of $39,000 - the highest in the OECD (even when adjusted for the benefits of the welfare state and government healthcare).
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/docserver/download/3010161ec007.pdf?expires=1361821064&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=111DB29091BC3407ECF14955A76F6434

>White Americans have an unemployment rate of 6.6%
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm

>White Americans have an average net worth of $110,000 (2nd Highest in the world after Australia, higher than Switzerland and Norway)
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/21/news/economy/wealth-gap-race/index.htm

>White Americans have a murder rate of only around 3.5 per 100,000 - equivalent to the European average.
http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=5969

and finally...

>White Americans have a gun ownership rate of 44%, well above blacks and hispanics and by far the highest rate in the developed world.
http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/

If one simply looks at the white population of every nation, White Americans are arguably the most developed in the world (when a range of indicators are examined). This is all the more impressive because there are 200 MILLION of them and they are surrounded by 100 million non-whites dragging them down.

White Americans truly are the Master Race.

Even the British acknoledge American superiority.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAKghnzxzM

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:30:05 2013 No.3744141 >>3744116 I can agree with this. This still doesn't mean, that blacks are less smart on average than whites. Also, the differences are so small that don't really mean that much.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:32:00 2013 No.3744146 >>3744137 Acknowledge even.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:32:00 2013 No.3744153

>>3744135
>that every method works if you attain actual measurable results.
The thing is he doesn't qualify measurable results and actively opposed the only disciplines that have actual depth to their qualifications i.e. the scientific method. (falsifiability, reproducibility etc)
Anarchist hackery at it's worst.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:35:01 2013 No.3744166
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>>3744141
>This still doesn't mean, that blacks are less smart on average than whites.

Of course it does. All standardized testing shows it. The employment numbers reflect it. The crime rate reflects it. There is no denying it. In fact, the decline of major cities like Detroit, along with the increase in crime and murder, directly correlates with increased black population and white flight. I'll look for the graph.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:36:01 2013 No.3744181 >>3744153 >the scientific method lel When Catholic church denounced heliocentric system, they also defended the scientific method. Seriously stop with this cargo worshipping of a certain way of doing things.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:37:01 2013 No.3744187 >>3744166 This graph proves no such thing though.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:37:01 2013 No.3744191 File: 63 KB, 1214x665, cleveland-homicide-changes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3744166 One for Cleveland. As successful white populations decline and move away from the encroaching black plague, crime rates drastically increase.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:38:01 2013 No.3744192 >>3744187 I said: >I'll look for the graph And here is one from Detroit: >>3744191

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:38:01 2013 No.3744194 >>3744187 You might as well come out and admit that nothing will ever prove it to you because you've accepted racial equality as a dogmatic, absolute truth.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:40:01 2013 No.3744205 >>3744181 >they also defended the scientific method. Which at the time was heavily flawed. You don't actually think it's the same one, right?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:42:00 2013 No.3744211 File: 87 KB, 1600x900, detroit-white-flight-crime-rise.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3744166 >>3744191 >>3744192 Here is Detroit.

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:42:00 2013 No.3744213

>>3743980
Its pathetic just how much Foucault has been re-appropriated and misread by the left to fit into their agenda. Earlier in his career some people were calling him a fascist, now he's held up as some kind of freedom fighter.
What's worse is that his critique of the modern penal system promoting self-surveillance and panopticism is exactly what SJWs are now promoting (consistently monitoring one's own thoughts and actions for any sort of "privilege" or micro-aggression).
Ridiculous

Anonymous Fri May 10 16:43:00 2013 No.3744214

>>3744205
No.
>Which at the time was heavily flawed.
>You don't actually think it's the same one, right?
This exactly what I got from Against Method.
The scientific method is always flawed.
You do know that they didn't see it as flawed, just like you don't see current scientific method as flawed, while 100 years into the future they'll laugh at our stupidity.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 16:44:00 2013 No.3744222 >>3744214 >You do know that they didn't see it as flawed The people who actually used it did as they had already improved on several earlier forms. Hangers-on like you of course will champion anything you think sounds nice at the moment.

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