Would /lit/ die for a revolution?

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Anonymous Tue May 7 02:47:59 2013 No.3732196 [Reply] [Original]

Would /lit/ die for a revolution?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 02:52:59 2013 No.3732201 File: 78 KB, 700x360, yukio_mishima_1970.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] of course, only faggots keeps clining to life with no other reason than being afraid.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 02:52:59 2013 No.3732203 No.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 02:53:59 2013 No.3732204 the only revolution /lit/ wants involves dance-dancing

Anonymous Tue May 7 02:55:59 2013 No.3732205
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Probably not. We're too occupied with our little lives, arguing about the merits of popular fantasy fiction, hating on Ayn Rand, and have the same discussions about God, Nietzsche, Dostoyevsky, and the worthiness of Kindles ever day. Who needs a revolution when we can fight about Harry Potter and Schopenhauer.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:01:59 2013 No.3732216 No but I would probably die in one.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:03:59 2013 No.3732220 >>3732216 relevant, all the faggots saying no in this thread are the first ones to go.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:08:59 2013 No.3732226 File: 28 KB, 500x338, prince-2ICP_o_tn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3732196 Yes, for Prince!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:11:59 2013 No.3732232 What kind of revolution? That seems rather pertinent here. Also, whether you would die is only part of the question. Whether you would kill is another. And perhaps a more indicative one.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:13:59 2013 No.3732234 Depends what revolution, obviously.

Anonymous Tue May 7 03:14:59 2013 No.3732236
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no. revolution is bullshit. its very name betrays it: to go in a circle. all violent revolutions end up in counter revolutions worse than the conditions which sparked the initial revolution.

all hope is lost when Danton is beheaded, when Girondin loses to the Mountain, when the Mensheviks are gunned down, etc. this always happens.

cf Darkness at Noon for the absurdity of revolutionary logic, and the film Danton by Andrzej Wajda to show its detachment from the people which it is supposed to serve.

>>	« 零 » !Ry9.23Wow. Tue May 7 03:20:00 2013 No.3732245 >>3732196 ONLY IF MY DEATH IS SIGNIFICANTLY EFFECTUAL ON THE "REVOLUTION", AND ONLY FOR A "REVOLUTION" THAT I SUPPORT, OBVIOUSLY.

Anonymous Tue May 7 03:20:59 2013 No.3732244

>>3732236
Not the case. American Revolution is one example which did not issue into the kind of permanent revolution or repressive countermeasures you're talking about, as long as you're capable of sorting through the the economic issues & not just dismissing it out of hand as bourgeois & take it on its own terms. Whether it was ultimately successful is another matter, but I think it was a revolution and it did not issue in the kind of violence that you're talking about, and that fact is in and of itself interesting, and demands more thought.

Anonymous Tue May 7 03:28:00 2013 No.3732256
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>>3732244

ah i forgot about that. you're right. Arendt thought the American Revolution was successful because it established permanent institutions and a rule of law which prevented degeneration into terror, while the French Revolution was a failure because it wasn't able to do the same thing.

but it seems to be the exception in a long line of failures. it might come down to the personality of Washington, not sure.

on a sidenote, Kant thought the French revolution was important for the objective development of humanity even though he couldn't' support it if it caused a single death. the American Revolution doesn't seem to have the same substantive content as the French, it was just about securing property rights.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:32:59 2013 No.3732260 >>3732256 >implying property rights aren't an integral aspect of modern post-Feudal civilization

Anonymous Tue May 7 03:37:59 2013 No.3732265

>>3732260

obviously, but there are a host of problems that have arisen from the over-emphasis on them. e.g. narrow negative conceptions of freedom lead to atomisation of individuals, dog eat dog mentality, disregarding of anything resembling "fraternity" or "equality" in the French conception.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:38:59 2013 No.3732266 >>3732260 I think you mean "property rights were the basis of feudalism".

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:39:59 2013 No.3732268 I wouldn't just lay down my life for one (especially considering any revolution that isn't based around individual desire seems fucking dubious to me, so why should it require self-sacrifice), but I would sure as fuck put my life on the line.

Anonymous Tue May 7 03:53:59 2013 No.3732285

>>3732256
lol yeah, this is just straight Arendt pretty much, I've actually just been re-reading On Revolution the last couple days. Obviously for her it's a question of political objectives and judgment as much as anything else - American Revolution had an experience and an awareness that the French lacked. She would disagree (and I think I would as well) that the American Revolution was solely about restoring property rights, because I don't think you can reduce history to economic motives in that way, and I think they did accomplish meaningful, substantive things - they just weren't meaningful substantive economic things.

At the end of the day, though, her account of why the French Revolution and subsequent revolutions have failed, where the American Revolution didn't, is because of the French Revolution was dominated by the question of poverty, whereas the American Revolution was dominated by questions of politics - and for a lot of complicated and maybe dubious reasons, the focus on poverty led to incredible violence and meant that none of the accomplishments stayed around long. Which is a problematic conclusion because, I mean, what the fuck do you do with poverty? I mean, are you just supposed to tell the poor to go fuck themselves? It's not a useful analysis, in that sense.

Anonymous Tue May 7 03:55:00 2013 No.3732288

>>3732285
Disclaimer: It's late and I'm tired as shit and it might be the case that none of this is comprehensible.

What I'm trying to say, essentially, is that I think Arendt's analysis of the political differences between the two revolutions is fascinating and useful and insightful, and the fact that (as she says) the American Revolution was successful is important and needs to be considered, but ultimately her analysis seems to simply ignore poverty in itself, and I'm not sure that's a good conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:59:00 2013 No.3732291 >>3732244 >American Revolution Are you talking about getting rid of British? I wouldn't even call it revolution, it is more a decolonisation, removing external sources.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 04:09:59 2013 No.3732302 >>3732291 yeah some have even called it a civil war not a revolution revolution implies class war, which was conspicuously absent from the so called "American Revolution"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 04:11:59 2013 No.3732306 >>3732302 Revolution does not necessarily imply class war unless you're a Marxist. Which, there's nothing wrong with that, but not everyone is.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 04:27:59 2013 No.3732328 File: 53 KB, 640x402, CryingEagle-Flag640.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3732196 yes

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 04:41:59 2013 No.3732336 >>3732196 Idk. How hungry am I?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 04:48:00 2013 No.3732342 File: 1012 KB, 1541x1200, 3632[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3732336 you're a starving indian during WW2 under the British Raj

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 04:49:59 2013 No.3732345 It depends on what the revolution was against.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 05:35:59 2013 No.3732397 >>3732345 NEETs.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 05:51:59 2013 No.3732411 File: 56 KB, 410x648, sage.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3732196 Lelno.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 05:59:59 2013 No.3732415 >>3732196 No. I would gladly die fending off the filthy revolutionary masses though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 06:14:59 2013 No.3732437 The problem is that violent revolutions most often creates an organization of violent men who are then perfectly placed to maintain their influence over what comes after.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 06:19:00 2013 No.3732442 Absolutely not.

Anonymous Tue May 7 07:06:00 2013 No.3732490
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I think I would have fought for the Spanish Republic if I had been born in the right time. Some of the international brigades lost over half their number over the course of the war so it seems likely I would end up dying.

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 07:28:59 2013 No.3732521 >>3732490 I's have probably fought there too... Against the fascists and the stalinists.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 07:40:59 2013 No.3732537 >>3732521 You mean at both sides at the same time?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 07:46:59 2013 No.3732546 Of course, but only a fascist revolution.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 07:49:59 2013 No.3732551 >>3732546 Has there ever been a modern fascist state that didn't squander the trust of its populace?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 07:54:00 2013 No.3732554 >>3732551 Replace 'fascist state' with any form of political organisation and you are right.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 07:56:59 2013 No.3732556 >>3732490 Would have fought for the anarchists, just to see if the experiment would have worked or not.

Anonymous Tue May 7 08:01:59 2013 No.3732564
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>>3732244
1776 wasn't really "revolutionary" in the same sense of 1789. It was more akin to a rebellion - a native upper class throwing off a foreign one.

Apart from who called the shots nothing much changed. Black slaves before 1776 were still slaves after, Native Americans were still being shafted, women held no rights, neither did the poor etc.

In fact the only "revolutionary" act for it's time was the Separation of Church and State. However 200 years later we see that Jefferson shouldn't have even bothered.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 08:02:59 2013 No.3732565 >>3732556 >comfortably writing online about risking your life in a civil war out of mild curiosity

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 08:05:59 2013 No.3732569 >>3732565 >This thread >comfortably writing online about risking your life in a civil war

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 08:06:59 2013 No.3732570 >>3732236 >Glorious Revolution

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 08:08:59 2013 No.3732575 >>3732569 >This thread >comfortably writing online about risking your life

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 08:22:00 2013 No.3732598 >>3732537 Stalinists killed anarchists and practically anyone who didn't want to obey the USSR (even if they were fighting against Franco).

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 08:24:00 2013 No.3732600 >>3732556 It did in Catalonia, but for a short time. It's difficult to survive as an anarchist when you're surrounded by commies and fascists...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 08:36:59 2013 No.3732619 I wonder if there any books about Spanish Civil War described from the fascist side. >>3732600 It's difficult to survive as an anarchist in general. I've read about anarchists in Russian Civil War and their troops were completely lawless and fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 08:50:00 2013 No.3732632 >>3732619 >I've read about anarchists in Russian Civil War and their troops were completely lawless and fucked up. What sources were you reading?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 08:54:59 2013 No.3732642 >>3732632 The novel "Quiet Don".

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 09:01:59 2013 No.3732652 >>3732642 >Quiet Don >First three volumes were written from 1925 to 1932 and published in Soviet magazine "October" in 1928-1932. That's why.

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 09:34:59 2013 No.3732692

>>3732600
Fascism is by far a lot more potent as a force than either Communism and Anarchism.

It combines human instinct with nationalism which makes for soldiers with high morale as well as a sense of pride that a man always has to defend, as it is his responsibility as one.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 09:43:00 2013 No.3732707 >>3732642 It's Don Quixote, not Quiet Don.

Anonymous Tue May 7 09:46:00 2013 No.3732715

I like to think so. I like to thing it'd give the rest of my life meaning, a retrospective direction. 'It was all leading up to his eventual involvement in x.' I like the idea of being remembered as a part of history. The violent part, not the 'he had a normal job, watched a lot of TV and died of heart failure at 70' part.

But I'd probably pussy out.

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 09:49:59 2013 No.3732719 >>3732692 >combines human instinct with nationalism Yeah. Uneducated and dumb people are easy to manipulate through fanatism.

Anonymous Tue May 7 09:57:59 2013 No.3732738
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>>3732719
People in general do well with some proper grand narrative. Fascism with it's almost mythical nationalism offers this in a more enticing way than the stale theories of anarchism and communism. There's a reason why not only plebs but also a lot of artists have a weak spot for fascism and it's derivatives. I mean, look at pic related. Aesthetically speaking the commies don't stand a chance.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:00:00 2013 No.3732744 probably not, I'm too cynical and cowardly I would send help though

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 10:04:59 2013 No.3732752 >>3732738 Aesthetics, mysticism and fanaticism being his main appeal says all about the its theory. Btw, the distinction between artist and pleb died during WWI.

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 10:06:59 2013 No.3732755 >>3732738 >>3732738 >People in general People in general are stupid. Aesthetics, mysticism and fanaticism being its main appeal says all about its theory. Btw, the distinction between artist and pleb died during WWI.

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:08:59 2013 No.3732756

>>3732719
That's exactly why it was mainly a movement of the middle class and the upper class?

>>3732755
Saying people are stupid implies that you're on a high horse of infallibility.

Stop being so pessimistic about a political system that has created some of the most wondrous economies in the world.

caption: ikedfta mythological

>>	Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:08:59 2013 No.3732759 >>3732756 captcha* 10/10 retard

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:18:59 2013 No.3732768 >>3732756 >That's exactly why it was mainly a movement of the middle class and the upper class? The middle and upper classes were sexually repressed. Same for the peasants. Sexual repression leads to Fascism. t: Wilhelm Reich

Anonymous Tue May 7 10:22:59 2013 No.3732773

>>3732755
To me it shows an insight regarding the fact that people need more to fulfil them than the vast cultural and spiritual wasteland that most leftist ideology offers. I think that's the strength of fascism, not what discredits it. I meant pleb mostly in the philistine sense of the world here, by the way. Fascism seems compatible with basic human instincts and needs. Communism and anarchism seem constantly at war with them.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:23:59 2013 No.3732774 >>3732768 Or chanelling sexual energy in something other than blatant release is what creates high culture.

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:23:59 2013 No.3732776

>>3732768
LOL. Reich is a joke.

His works have been refuted MANY times, it's even on Wikipedia. Sexual Repression is not a cause for Fascism, that's stupid to even suggest then and is stupid to suggest now.

Mind you, the author is more important than the history being written:
>Raised by Jews
>Slav (hated by fascists [even though the definition of it isn't even clear to this day]
>Marxist
>psychotic
>criminal
RIIIIIGHHHHTTTT

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:24:59 2013 No.3732778 >>3732642 Soviet sources about anarchists are always bullshit. Don't trust anything published in a Soviet publication from the years 1917 - 1989.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:25:05 2013 No.3732780 For the Arab Spring Revolutions? No The fight for the Spanish Republic or the Cuban Revolution? Always.

Anonymous Tue May 7 10:27:59 2013 No.3732785
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>>3732776
>His works have been refuted MANY times

His work on character analysis is still widely used, even if Wilhelm Reich is disgraced because of his later work with orgone. The Mass Psychology of Fascism was never refuted.

>Sexual Repression is not a cause for Fascism, that's stupid to even suggest then and is stupid to suggest now.

Sexual repression in the family is the germ of Fascism. It's one of the primary incubators of Fascist ideology and mysticism.

>Implying you've read Reich
>Implying you can argue with a Fascist
>Implying your face shouldn't be splattered over the pavement

Smelly, dumb, Fascist scum.

Anonymous Tue May 7 10:28:59 2013 No.3732790

>>3732778
Lenin had a lot of respect for Pyotr Kropotkin, and the fight between the Red Army and Anarchist Army in Ukraine is quite hard to decipher. They both fought alongside many times, and cooperated to destroy the White Army, but numerous times each of the groups provoked the others.
Anarchists were not that hated in Lenin's Soviet Union.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:28:59 2013 No.3732791 >>3732780 A Third world country overthrowing a dictator is better than another third world country overthrowing a dictator?

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Anonymous Tue May 7 10:31:59 2013 No.3732799

>>3732791
I wouldn't fight to get the Islamic Radicals in power sorry. When their Revolution is towards an egalitarian secular and classless society, count me in. That Revolution in specific was doomed from the start, same as Lybia, Syria, Egypt, and the Mali Revolutionaries have already succumbed to the pressure of the Al-Quaeda

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:31:59 2013 No.3732800 >>3732791 >implying replacing a dictator with some commie regime is the same as a fundamentalist muslim regime

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:32:59 2013 No.3732803 >>3732790 Anarchists were put in jail in the Soviet Union. Any sympathies Lenin had for Makhno or other anarchists were clearly displayed when he ordered the destruction of the Kronstadt Commune and the invasion of the Free Territory.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:32:59 2013 No.3732805 >>3732799 Syrian civil war isn't fought by Islamist Radicals though. It's the youngsters who want democracy and secularism.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:32:59 2013 No.3732808 >>3732785 >antifa tantrums >2013 Vegan squatter pls go

>>	Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:33:59 2013 No.3732809 >>3732785 >mysticism Fascism is not related to mysticism, Nazism is. >still hasn't addressed his bias >German Jewish Marxist who's psychotic and also a slav Yeah, everyone would have loved him.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:33:59 2013 No.3732810 >>3732799 >Lybia, Syria, Egypt, and the Mali Revolutionaries have already succumbed to the pressure of the Al-Quaeda Are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:34:59 2013 No.3732813 >>3732810 Are you, have you not been paying attention?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:34:59 2013 No.3732815 >>3732778 Anarchism is bullshit anyway so who cares.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:34:59 2013 No.3732816 >>3732809 A Fascist complaining about bias? That's fucking hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:35:59 2013 No.3732817 >>3732803 A Regime applied force to crush a rebellion which wanted to overthrow what they had conquered? Those devils!!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:35:59 2013 No.3732819 File: 23 KB, 375x500, brutalism.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >that calm and collected realistic pragmatic centrist feel Feels good not to be posturing radical scum with head in the clouds

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:36:59 2013 No.3732821 >>3732810 You don't really pay much attention to the world don't you? The Secular Revolutionaries still protest to this day. A Communist that was one of the major figures of the opposition in Tunisia was shot down a couple months ago...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:37:59 2013 No.3732822 >>3732817 I'm not saying anyone should have been surprised. I'm just saying that Lenin was clearly not sympathetic to the anarchists, at least not sympathetic enough not to order them all shot or imprisoned.

Anonymous Tue May 7 10:39:59 2013 No.3732829

>>3732785

>Sexual repression in the family is the germ of Fascism. It's one of the primary incubators of Fascist ideology and mysticism.

Sexual repression in the family? Yes, sexual repression like the Nazis encouraging their citizens to have as many children as possible. Or servicing their soldiers with armies of prostitutes. Yep, those Fascists sure hate sex.

>Smelly, dumb, Fascist scum.

Scum from your perspective, perhaps - but you seem like the dumb one.

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:40:59 2013 No.3732833
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>>3732816
I'm not fascist, in fact, I'm a centrist. But hey, since we're throwing labels around, you seem like a marxist hippie who works at the shelter for immigrant somalians and has a black boyfriend that has part time residence in Oslo.

>hey Fascism created some of the most powerful economies in the world
>lel sexual repression lel
>Korean, Taiwan, Japanese and German history, not even once

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:41:00 2013 No.3732834 >>3732822 They were against his Revolution, he fought against them. The Leninist Period was the only where Anarchists could do demonstrations and make their opinions heard publicly.

Anonymous Tue May 7 10:41:59 2013 No.3732836

>>3732780
I would have fought in that revolution, on certain fronts.

Take Egypt as a prime example: the Egyptians are on the one-step-forward, two-step-back plan of attack (proposed first by the great Islamic warrior-poet P. Abdul), and they're going to have as much trouble under one leader as the other. But the mobilization of many millions of people refusing to stay underfoot (as Egyptians have been doing for some time, under various dictators) is a good and noble thing.

I use Bassem Youssef as an example of a modern-day revolutionist: all you need to do to embarass and denegrate a man like Pres. Morsi to the masses is to make an ass of him on the television and fight for your right to do so. This weakens the state's authoritarian power symbolically, and since they're tossing on charges of "tarnishing Islam" or whatever else they can find, its also loosening the fundamentalist stranglehold on the Egyptian people.

Call me naive, but that's inspiring to me. And yes, I include that in the "Die for a Revolution" category: anyone not suspecting death or lifelong imprisonment as a real threat for Mr. Youssef hasn't been keeping an eye peeled.

Eye-peeling also a real threat.

Anonymous Tue May 7 10:41:59 2013 No.3732840

>>3732813

The politics of the Muslim world is one of the main things I study; I have to pay attention. If you think that the MB in Egypt or the General National Congress of Libya are "Al-Qaeda", you have no idea what you're talking about.

The only notable group with Qaeda connections in Syria is Jabhat an-Nusra. And that's a rather recent development.

The conflict in Mali grew out of Tuareg secessionism, not a popular uprising.

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:42:59 2013 No.3732842

>>3732829
It's kind of funny, considering every rally that has nationalists in it looks like they have men in them, while in communist ones it has little faggots who look like they've never ate meat in their life because they're too busy listening to bands no one gives a shit about or pursuing a future in artistic feministic non-cis transbisexual liberalistic socialism.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:43:59 2013 No.3732843 >>3732833 Centrists and Agnostics. The two groups who are afraid to take a position and prefer to say they are both so as to not upset anyone. Fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:45:59 2013 No.3732853 >>3732840 The secession was made by armed struggle of its people. With Al-Qaeda what is meant is extreme-Islamism, and i don't think any of this countries is faring very well today.

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:45:59 2013 No.3732854
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>>3732843
Actually, you know so little about politics that you couldn't see the sarcasm.

Fascism, in many circles, is actually recognized as extreme centrist or... third positionist. Either Communism or Capitalism? Now that's just fucking ridiculous.

Agnostic is indecisive? Oh, wow, you really are a dumb one.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:46:59 2013 No.3732855 >>3732785 >Smelly, dumb, Fascist scum Hahaha antifa got mad.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:46:59 2013 No.3732859 >>3732817 You gotta remember that the Anarchists followed Nstor Mahkno, who fought in Civil War against Bolsheviks with Cossacks and whites in Ukraine.

Anonymous Tue May 7 10:48:59 2013 No.3732862

>>3732821
>You don't really pay much attention to the world don't you? The Secular Revolutionaries still protest to this day.

"Secular revolutionaries" not rising the power isn't tantamount to an Al-Qaeda takeover, buddy. Secularists did a piss poor job of organizing themselves into a political party in Egypt, lost the elections, and are now being petulant fools and shooting themselves in the foot by protesting fair election results and refusing to cooperate with the government. Morsi and company have their own major faults, but none of the country's problems will be solved as long as the opposition continues to be unreasonable.

>A Communist that was one of the major figures of the opposition in Tunisia was shot down a couple months ago...

Communism doesn't have a broad enough base of support in any Arab country to be the guiding ideology of a popular government. That doesn't mean that Al-Qaeda is in control of Tunisia.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:49:59 2013 No.3732863 >>3732833 > Taiwan > Fascit what the fuck am I reading Autocracy =/= fascism

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:49:59 2013 No.3732865 I believe in transhumanism, so I'm down for never dying never ever never ever never ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:51:59 2013 No.3732868 >>3732843 Lel, that's like a person who drinks a screwdriver can't make up his mind between being an alcoholic and a teetotaller. Centrism is a position. It's a position that says the best way to go is somewhere in between both extremes.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:53:59 2013 No.3732870 >>3732863 >taiwan >not corporatist

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:54:59 2013 No.3732872

>>3732863
>Not realising that a nationalist autocratic party can be realised as fascist

Wow, you are one special case mate.

Look man, I know that you, somewhere, know that Reich was kicked out of every respectable organisation he was part of for writing such a fucking retarded book. I mean, he got kicked out of the communist part of Germany. You had to be a nutcase to be a communist and a bigger one to be kicked out of one.

He was kicked out of a psychological society and then created something called an orgone accumulator. Taking Reich seriously is like taking Neitszche too seriously considering he's the modern day Herodotus of bias.

>>3732870
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini
This guy. Tyvm.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:55:59 2013 No.3732874 >>3732872 You are an idiot.

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:56:59 2013 No.3732878

>>3732863
On that note, I need sleep Antifa. People like me work, and study. You know, PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY know how it feels to not want socialism and stuff. Goodnight sweet prince, my Marx roll in his grave forever onwards.

Anonymous Tue May 7 10:57:59 2013 No.3732882

>>3732853
>With Al-Qaeda what is meant is extreme-Islamism

The MB in Egypt aren't extreme. At the moment the party leadership is being too partisan, preventing Morsi or anyone else from taking a more inclusive approach to the opposition. Egypt's Salafis are more hardline, but generally not as radical as AQ. They have significant support, but I don't think it will ever be a majority.

Countries generally require some time to recover from revolutions, particularly popular uprisings that overthrow political systems that have been in power for 50 years or more. And keep in mind that these governments often employed large portions of the population; large public sectors in most Arab countries are a colonial legacy. Tourism has also declined.

Youssef Bek Karam !jfJxNLwYMY Tue May 7 10:59:59 2013 No.3732886

>>3732874
Anon's rebuttal was strong, it flowed like a river and could be sang like a song, he called me an idiot and it hurt my feelers, probably pissed that he got bad meth off his dealers, little does he know of anything relevant, he believes humanity is loving and benevolent, one day you will grow up king of the edge and dumb, one day you'll stop taking it up your bum. - Adolf Hitler

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:00:59 2013 No.3732887 >>3732878 What are you doing on /lit/? What a childish post...You should be ashamed of even saying something along those marks...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:01:59 2013 No.3732888 >>3732836 Can't we all just talk about Paula Abdul you cunts?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:03:59 2013 No.3732889 >>3732878 I'm a NEET parasite and I prefer centrism as well. I prefer my welfare state to be based on market economy so that there is actual wealth for me to leech off instead of being clubbed to death for not mining coal or some shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:08:00 2013 No.3732897 >>3732887 Yeah you are right, this post was stupid. We need to have more posts of antifa saying how they will smash the fascists in the streets. They are much more amusing, lol.

>>	trotskyist Anonymous Tue May 7 11:09:59 2013 No.3732898 over and over.

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 11:14:00 2013 No.3732913 >>3732773 >people's needs >glorification of war >absolute submission to a supreme leader Makes sense because I though people's needs were something like basic needs and self-realization.

AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 11:16:00 2013 No.3732927 [DELETED]

>>3732756
>Saying people are stupid implies that you're on a high horse of infallibility.
Saying people in general are stupid implies I look at what the uneducated majority chooses and accepts and the only logical explanation I find is they're stupid.
>Stop being so pessimistic about a political system that has created some of the most wondrous economies in the world.
Yeah, this is why fascism did so well until today.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:19:59 2013 No.3732934 >>3732887 Yep, childish fascists. Why can't they present coherent arguments instead of employing empty rhetoric and nebulous sloganeering!? Smelly dumb, fascist scum! Back to your basements, neckbeard virgins! Oops...

AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 11:21:00 2013 No.3732941

>>3732756
>Saying people are stupid implies that you're on a high horse of infallibility.
Saying people in general are stupid implies I look at what the uneducated majority chooses and accepts and the only logical explanation I find is they're stupid.
>Stop being so pessimistic about a political system that has created some of the most wondrous economies in the world.
Yeah, this is why fascism did so well until today.
>That's exactly why it was mainly a movement of the middle class and the upper class?
Yeah, that's exactly why this was a movement created by the bourgeois to maintain their system and continue exploiting the working class until today. Those high and middle class created something for the masses, something to appeal to their feelings and not their reason, something for dumb and uneducated people to swallow.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:22:00 2013 No.3732947 >>3732913 Which is where we arrive at our probably fundamentally different ideas of human nature. I think the vast majority of humanity is of better use and better off themselves obeying.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:26:59 2013 No.3732961 >>3732941 Maybe they are not stupid but just don't care. With the rest I'm not even going to argue, I just wonder where you live that you use the phrase "working class". China, India, Bangladesh?

AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 11:35:59 2013 No.3732982

>>3732947
>obeying.
I call sheeple what you call humans according to your idea of human nature. Sheeple are inferior to humans. They need to obey, they need a master, they accept their own inferiority.
>>3732961
>Maybe they are not stupid but just don't care.
You don't care about your future, your status, your dignity...? Then I call you stupid.
>>3732961
Barcelona. I know that term isn't really relevant today, but we were talking about fascism/communism so I was using early 20th century terms.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:50:59 2013 No.3733021 >>3732982 This sheeple is by far the majority of humanity.

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 11:52:59 2013 No.3733024 >>3733021 Yeah, I was implying this like 5 posts ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:52:59 2013 No.3733026 >>3732941 The working class deserves to be exploited and is best of being exploited as long as they're reasonably comfortable. They need humane treatment, not self-government. Like cattle.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:53:00 2013 No.3733029 >>3733024 Why are you in favour of egalitarianism then?

AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 11:58:59 2013 No.3733040

>>3733029
lol what? Are you sure you didn't misquote? Because I don't remember posting anything in favor of egalitarianism.
>>3733026
Not all the working class, you take this out of your ass. I say most, not all. The working class doesn't deserve exploitation as long as they're willing to fight back the capitalists.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 12:02:59 2013 No.3733050 File: 138 KB, 200x275, 200px-Destroy_the_old_world_Cultural_Revolution_poster.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >being this much of a decadent counter-revolutionary

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 12:03:59 2013 No.3733055 >>3732521 >implying you wouldn't have been an indoctrinated international communist who fought for the Stalinists

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 12:05:00 2013 No.3733061 >>3733055 >Implying absurd implications No.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 12:07:00 2013 No.3733070 >>3732982 Sure is armchair revolutionary sheeple in here.

>>	AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw Tue May 7 13:51:06 2013 No.3733326 >>3733070 >armchair revolutionary Sure is pseudo-intellectual using buzzwords to pathetically attempt to dismiss somebody's opinion and sound smart in here.

Anonymous Tue May 7 16:16:00 2013 No.3733744

Depends on a lot of things, but I'd like to think yeah.

I'm depressed and borderline suicidal anyway, so fuck it, may as well go for a 'glorious' death, and maybe even be immortalised in song or on a mural or have a street named after me.

I suspect that's what's motivated a lot of militants throughout history.

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