/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.3697781]

Well...fuck.

[Anonymous No.3697782]

Sage and hide.

[Anonymous No.3697783]

>tfw philosophy and english
>tfw double shit tier

[Anonymous No.3697786]

Political science should be higher.

[Anonymous No.3697788]

>>3697786
HAHAHAHA

why in the world would it be higher

[Anonymous No.3697791]

Please report off-topic materials. Do not respond to them.

[Anonymous No.3697794]

>>3697781
>basing life choices off charts created by close-minded STEM neckbeard fuckers on 4chan

[Anonymous No.3697802]

>>3697794
To be fair, /lit/ severely undervalues STEM in much the same way.

[Anonymous No.3697807]

>kinesiology
that just says all we need to know about this thing

[Anonymous No.3697808]

>>3697781
>Well...fuck.
If a chart on the internet made you doubt your interests and studies then you should probably just give up life.

[Anonymous No.3697810]

might as well embrace shit-tier, it's all i've got.

[Anonymous No.3697812]

>>3697781
The people who are desperate to be seen as successful construct their own heirarchy by where they are on top, as a way to justify doing work they hate.

They will come last in the history books. That's why they are so committed to making everyone else accept their delusional standards.

[Anonymous No.3697837]

STEMs are basically the worker drones that make the world a more comfortable for me to study philosophy.

[Anonymous No.3697839]

>>3697788

not that i know anything about political science, but those two words together make it sound like, in terms of practical knowledge at least, especially compared to things like "womens studies" or "classics", that it could be useful, no? again, this is my uninformed opinion, but it seems to me, at the very least, it's something every citizen of a state could benefit from.

[Anonymous No.3697843]

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[Anonymous No.3697846]

>>3697837
comfortable place*

[Anonymous No.3697851]

>>3697837
>make the world a more comfortable for me to make them coffee

FTFY

[Anonymous No.3697861]

>>3697851
So the science and engineering students end up living in cars, and the liberal arts student owning a coffee business?

Is there supposed to be some sort of message to this?

[Anonymous No.3697863]

>>3697851
>Implying I don't live off of your hard-earned tax money.

[Anonymous No.3697866]

>>3697802
Breaking news: people like what they like.

[Anonymous No.3697867]

>>3697851
>Many girlfriends
Slut

[Anonymous No.3697882]

>>3697851
So STEMs are unthinking consumerists.

[Anonymous No.3697890]

>>3697851
>STEM: The Myth
>I-it's okay that I'm a lonely freak now... when I graduate I'll get money and a car and women will suddenly like me!

>STEM: The Reality
>I've graduated and my job pays well but I'm still a lonely freak and my only friends are anime figurines.

[Anonymous No.3697894]

>Engineers
>God tier
>Have the knowledge to make consumer prodcuts more efficient and much less pron eto breaking
>Suck the capitalist cock because it relies on shit products that break
We could have flying cars by now

[Anonymous No.3697897]

Lol /lit/ you crack me up.

>WAHHH LIFE IS HARD EXISTENTIAL CRISIS WHY DO I LIVE!?!?! I'M SO UNHAPPY! I'M SO INSIGNIFICANT!
>Somebody insults you
>I'M A PROUD INTELLECTUAL WHO PLACES THINKING ABOVE ALL ELSE! HOW DARE YOU INSULT ME CONSERVATIVE CONSUMERIST PIG

Baha.

[Anonymous No.3697899]

>>3697781
Unspecialized engineering and pure mathematics are definitely NOT God-tier, but the money-centric logic that this chart operates on.

[Anonymous No.3697980]

Why does /lit/ have a hateboner for science?

[Anonymous No.3697982]

>>3697980
>science
scientism*

[Anonymous No.3697984]

>>3697899
based on*, not but, what the hell?

[Anonymous No.3697987]

>>3697982
/lit/ might as well have humanities...ism if that's the case. Posters here are terribly arrogant when talking about STEM.

[Anonymous No.3697992]

>tfw philosophy, music, math triple major
>tfw I have defeated the chart

[Anonymous No.3697994]

>>3697897
We're not the best people
but we're at least better than you

[Anonymous No.3697999]

>>3697992
You are mid tier at best seein as you have one god tier and two shit tier

[Anonymous No.3698001]

>not just doing what you like and ensuring that you have some knowledge of other fields

[Anonymous No.3698002]

>>3698001
>not just doing what you like
>it's ok if I choose escapsim as long as I can lie to myself

[Anonymous No.3698003]

sage

[Anonymous No.3698004]

>>3697999

Right, but my point is that "shit tier" and "god tier" are equally valuable and interesting.

[Anonymous No.3698007]

>>3698002
I don't know what you're really getting at, anon. Give us your stance.

[Anonymous No.3698010]

>>3697781
>econ low tier

Shit chart already.

[Anonymous No.3698014]

Titan Tier reporting in.

[Anonymous No.3698015]

>>3698002
>dose of reality
Don't anon, they aren't ready for it.

[Anonymous No.3698017]

>>3698007
We have a hierarchy and you choose not to adhere to it because of individualism.
>Actually becoming a higher tier seems like work
>Lowest is also okay as long as I like it
>Yeah everything is equally valid hehe

[Anonymous No.3698023]

>>3698017
I'm more on the side of STEM being better, but I see value in both.
/lit/ is full of wannabe philosopher-kings though.

[Anonymous No.3698025]

>>3697987
>Posters here are terribly arrogant when talking about STEM.

Ha. Do you realize the kind of shit humanities majors get all of the time from STEMfags?

[Anonymous No.3698027]

>>3697781
What are these even ranked according to?

[Anonymous No.3698029]

>>3698025
Humanities majors are less likely to be valuable than your average STEMfag.

[Anonymous No.3698030]

>>3698025
STEMfags are borderline autistic though. They rarely can into empathy and sympathy and pursue their fields because it is full of rules and therefore understandable and safe for these control and number freaks.

[Anonymous No.3698037]

>>3698025
It's because they're such losers that it's all they have to make themselves feel better.

>>3698029
MUH MONEY
MORE ANIME FIGURES

[Anonymous No.3698039]

>>3698014
>Titan tier
>I'm not even average at atleast 4 of the fields above mid despite sitting on my lazy ass all day

[Anonymous No.3698040]

>not realizing the whole STEM major movement is the last in a series of crumbling substructures that will precede the Great American College Riots once that market is completely saturated

And it mostly already is saturated. Science/math/computer science majors are having a harder time finding work. And a recent study suggests that STEM never even needed as much labor as people thought: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/study-there-may-not-be-a-shortage-of-american-stem-graduates-after-all/2013/04/24/66099962-acea-11e2-a8b9-2a63d75b5459_story.html

[Anonymous No.3698044]

>>3698030
Humanitiesfags are borderline retarded though. They rare can into mathematics and logic and pursue their fields because it is full of feelings and therefore understandable and safe for these relativist and word freaks.

[Anonymous No.3698045]

I'm going into college soon. I've seen studies that show that Master's degrees have the highest earnings to debt ratio, so I'll probably go for that. I'm thinking of majoring in Chemistry and then having a minor in CS to fall back on, seeing as that seems more releastic for career paths. Don't know how impressive that will look though.
>mfw about to define what I do for the rest of my life

[Anonymous No.3698046]

Survival-tier:
Fire making, stonemasonry, carpentry, fishing, hunting

[Anonymous No.3698047]

Why is Astronomy god-tier?

All they do is take instruments built by engineers, record data, and then give it to the physicists to solve

[Anonymous No.3698050]

>>3698046
Mein negroe

[Anonymous No.3698053]

>>3698044
>Autists devaluing feelings because they lack empathy.

Wow tell me more.

[Anonymous No.3698054]

>>3698029
>Valuable
any STEMfag should realise that in the potentially-infinite and non-teleological universe we occupy there is no such thing as value. But you wouldn't know that because you're a STEMfag and non-descriptive topics aren't your thing

[Anonymous No.3698056]

>>3698044
Monkey see monkey do? Yep it's a STEMfag

[Anonymous No.3698058]

baby boomers with stem degrees moved up in the world and got hot wives

stem majors today are ponyfags who can barely keep an interesting conversation. when they use their money to get a trophy wife, instead of having been a woman who was looking for someone responsible and a provider to raise and start a non-broken family, it will be a woman who is straight up looking for money, and who will divorce him and take half of it.

oh, also, stem majors have the same unemployent rate as the social sciences.

fags.

[Anonymous No.3698061]

So is humanities or STEM better?

[Anonymous No.3698065]

>>3698045
>Computer science
maxlel

[Anonymous No.3698066]

>>3698061
Better in what sense?

[Anonymous No.3698068]

>>3698061
INB4 semantic argument of how things can never be "better" than other things

[Anonymous No.3698070]

I'm a STEM major and I kind of hate it. I'm doing really well, and it's sparked an interest in math that I get to divulge in on the side, but I feel like I'm pursuing the wrong path in life.

[Anonymous No.3698071]

>not doing the niche field of health informatics
There will always be enough dead and ill people to keep the job

[Anonymous No.3698067]

I hope I didn't burst your bubble, OP.

[Anonymous No.3698072]

>>3698066
Like, which will make me feel better about myself.

[Anonymous No.3698073]

the Classics are the last refuge of serious academia in the Humanities.

[Anonymous No.3698074]

>tfw doing English because that's what I'm good at

fuck the police

[Anonymous No.3698075]

>>3698067
Physics and astrophysics should be god-tier, just saying. Philosophy probably top-tier.
>Inb4 STEMfag, I'm in philosophy and scientific method

[Anonymous No.3698076]

>>3698072
Only you know that.

[Anonymous No.3698077]

>>3698045
I've heard good things about petroleum engineering at the moment.

chemistry is shaky right now, and CS and IT are saturated with borderline retarded immigrants from china and india.

the fact that foreigners are still demanding american engineers in the oil field is a significant indicator, probably

[Anonymous No.3698078]

>>3698065
It's just an easy career path with a decent growth.
Just sit down, wrattle out a few lines of code, dick off, then get payed.
I really like actual science more, so I'm hoping chemistry opens up for me.

[Anonymous No.3698079]

>>3698070
Philosophy major with same feelings, you up for a face/off switch?

[Anonymous No.3698081]

>>3698067
>Law
>Astronomy
.
.
.
>Fine Art

lmao

[Anonymous No.3698082]

>>3698067
Medicine is god tier. Curing ailments is a godly skill.

[Anonymous No.3698083]

>>3698074
>Good at reading
Well, shit son, you must be top-tier genius

[Anonymous No.3698085]

>>3698076
In my time on 4chan I've come to think that I really don't.

[Anonymous No.3698088]

>>3698078
>Just sit down, wrattle out a few lines of code, dick off, then get payed.

How long do you honestly think this career model will last? People will catch on eventually that half of the code monkeys can be replaced with code.

[Anonymous No.3698091]

>>3698068
>>3698066
Shucks too late!

[Anonymous No.3698092]

>>3698073
they havent been polluted by lberalism if that's what you mean. but only because it's outdated and no one cares

[Anonymous No.3698096]

>>3698073
The classics should be taught instead of high school.

[Anonymous No.3698095]

>>3698088
Yeah, but by that time capitalism will have become too efficient for it's own good a collapse

[Anonymous No.3698099]

>>3698077
>CS and IT are saturated with borderline retarded immigrants from Chindia

I disagree, CS is saturated by people who frequent 4chan. I guarantee that you will never find a bigger collection of neckbeards than in a CS class; the whole course is marketed to a generation who spent their time in their mother's basement without interacting with real people. The course is also simply a reaction to a booming technological marketplace which will eventually either 1)Plateau, or 2) burst. In both of these situations, the rate of CS students will continue to increase beyond market capacity and then there will be a whole load of shit-tier graduates with no social skills, no degree-specific jobs and who can't even get a back-up job in management because they have the social ineptitude of a mute autist.
>Tl;Dr - don't into computer science

[Anonymous No.3698100]

>>3698085
Then don't expect anyone to know the answer.

[Anonymous No.3698101]

>>3698096
>pseudo-science should be taught for 4 years!

lol.

[Anonymous No.3698102]

>>3698082
If you can pay for it unless you are a socialistic pig who actually cares for the well being of other citizens without resorting to work harder and man up.

[Anonymous No.3698105]

>>3698078
See here >>3698099

[Anonymous No.3698108]

>>3698101
>Implying our cultural heritage, which fathered the entire modern academic system worldwide, is not important
Faggot detected

[Anonymous No.3698104]

>be engineering student
>tries to incorporate ethics/morals study
>teacher presents three ways to approach human morals, concludes that all of them are heavily flawed, lesson ends.

I don't want to look down on liberal arts, but really, why even teach things that they know are wrong?

[Anonymous No.3698112]

>>3698099
Funny since my CS classes in highschool were polluted by Redditors.

[Anonymous No.3698114]

>>3698104
>nothing is perfect
>nothing is right

[Anonymous No.3698115]

>>3698104
>Implying that your teacher is the complete measure of ethics
>Implying it isn't a continuous struggle to find the right answer
>Implying that answers should come simply through rigid rules and formulae
Yep, you certainly are an engineering student

[Anonymous No.3698118]

>>3698099
Can't you still successfully pursue a niche field in computer science to secure your future from the masses that can be replaced by mudslime indians?

[Anonymous No.3698119]

>>3698101
It's not the 1800s anymore. Nobody tries to pass off the classics as a science. But, yes, humanity would be much better off if classics were taught instead of your typical high school curriculum.

[Anonymous No.3698123]

>not getting an English degree and moving to Japan or Korea to teach English in their schools

They will literally pay for your living and travel expenses as well as give you a decent salary and they don't even expect you to speak their language.

[Anonymous No.3698127]

>>3698112
Even worse. Sadly, they will come to define internet culture in the next generation. Just think about that. We don't even have it bad, we are dealing with the first generation of redditors. When it is an all-pervading IRL cultural phenomenon (which it will be) then the shit will really hit the fan.

[Anonymous No.3698130]

>>3698123
>he still believes in this fantasy
saturation friendo. The same goes for CS.

[Anonymous No.3698132]

>>3698123
Might do this or get into Technical Writing after my English Degree

>300k starting

[Anonymous No.3698134]

>>3698127
Just embrace anger and be a bitter old man, it's the best fate it seems.

[Anonymous No.3698137]

>>3698123
And you have to live in a 5'x6' apartment and bang Asian women for the rest of your life. No arigato, Tim.

[Anonymous No.3698144]

>>3698130
>saturation

Not really, in Japan they have mandatory English courses in their schools so they're always looking for native speakers. Pretty good chance of finding a job as long as you're literate and not a felon.

[Anonymous No.3698151]

>subjects involving pure information at the top
>subjects involving understanding and wisdom at the bottom

[Anonymous No.3698153]

>>3698115
I didn't imply there was a right answer, just that I find it pointless to 'teach' formulas for making ethical choices when there isn't one yet.

[Anonymous No.3698148]

>>3698118
>Niche field
The simple nature of niche fields is such that it is possible but not for everyone, surplus is still surplus and market saturation is almost inevitable with emerging markets. Especially when Moore's law is beginning to fail and computing is reaching the physical barriers of silicon. You can scream MUH QUANTUM COMPUTING all you want but the reality is that it is a field for physicists more than computer studies. The only suitable path for CS now is IT support, which is a shit-tier, dead-end job, and even then the rate at which CS is producing grads is so high that eventually IT workers will be at a surplus for each firm, so there'll be employee saturation. Historically, that is terrible for the employees.

[Anonymous No.3698149]

>>3698102
>not living in glorious socialist canada

[Anonymous No.3698156]

>>3698123
>2013
>Being this weaboo
>Not realising that you may as well teach in literally any other country without shouting about Japan's 'superior culture'.
Faggot

[Anonymous No.3698158]

>>3698134
I am already a bitter old man
>Be 18

[Anonymous No.3698159]

>>3698123
>>3698132
>>3698137
>>3698144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prNYOW0_kms

Fascinating documentary on living in Japan (usually working as a teacher there).

Interesting, but not for me--I would lose my mind in the crowds, dogmatism, and not being able to communicate what the hell I wanted.

[Anonymous No.3698160]

>>3697839
It's a social science, like sociology or psychology. AKA something easy bros and hipsters major in so they don't 'waste' mommy and daddy's money.

[Anonymous No.3698166]

>>3698153
There isn't a known one, but the history of philosophy should show you (if you have any knowledge of it) that progress is incredibly slow in the subject and there might not be any answers right now, but we can definitely distill the subject. As long as you ignore bumps along the way like Derrida or the Linguists

[Anonymous No.3698169]

>>3698160
Sociology can be really informative, if you cut out all the new-age shit-tier perspectives like post-modernism.

[Anonymous No.3698174]

>>3698148
Is IT demand really being met with that much supply? I can see the market for business getting flooded, but the TE of STEM seems fairly safe, as long as you're careful about what you specialize in (and internships ofc).

Also I can imagine that foreign workers probably come with their own baggage, unrelated to the lower labor costs. Like having a shitty education and iffy language skills, which isn't really that useful for companies serious about keeping their networks running.

[Anonymous No.3698176]

>>3698091
>Building a building
>STEM > *

[Anonymous No.3698178]

>>3698148
What are some booming fields or upcoming ones then? I will soon go to college and thought about doing health informatics for quite a while now but I am open for changes.

[Anonymous No.3698180]

>not embracing the "create your own major" detail at your school that most universities participate in if you can justify it

I'm majoring in Poetic Neurophenomenological Chemistry

[Anonymous No.3698183]

>>3698169
I'm not arguing against its merits as a field of study, but rather the caliber of person in an undergrad program for sociology. Scratch all this if they're planning to go on to get their MSW or whatever, which is totally legitimate and worthwhile IMO.

[Anonymous No.3698185]

>>3698169
What is an example of postmodern sociology?

[Anonymous No.3698187]

>>3698160
Sociology is actually an elaborate parody of science.

[Anonymous No.3698189]

>>3698180
>Neurophenomenological
Nice buzzword, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3698190]

>>3698180
Alchemy?

[Anonymous No.3698193]

>>3698137
>caring about the amount of living space

le diogenes face.jpg

>bang Asian women for the rest of your life
>implying that's not a bonus

[Anonymous No.3698194]

>>3698180
I got my degree in botany so I can grow my own artisanal coffees to serve down at the local café.

[Anonymous No.3698196]

>>3698166
I get that, but in maths we don't teach false theorems with hopes that they'll inspire future good theorems.

I admit that I'm biased from the way I usually study, but yeah, it just feels like people taking wild stabs in the air.

I don't know much about philosophy, do you have any books that you'd recommend?

[Anonymous No.3698198]

>>3698187
Hence why I called it a social science.

[Anonymous No.3698199]

>>3698156
Korea and Japan have like the highest teacher salaries in the world and they're the only countries that will fly you faggots out there and give you a job just because you speak English and have a degree.

Doesn't have anything to do with being a weeb.

[Anonymous No.3698202]

>>3698189
Not sure how that qualifies as a buzzword, but okay.

[Anonymous No.3698205]

>>3698185
The Frankfurt School marxists and French post-structuralism are both taught in sociology programs.

[Anonymous No.3698217]

>>3698174
Yes, the ratio of people doing CS doesn't really matter as much as the fact that the number of companies needing CS cannot keep up with the university output. First of all, demographically, CS students are young males and mature students are generally rarer than in other courses; the population of the course is not a resource which will need replenishing in the next 10 years because CS students are likely to spend those 10 years in one position; IT promotions are very scarce. Furthermore, is it really the case that 5,000 jobs are going to open up in CS in even the UK, every year, in perpetuity? Of course not, it is a simple Malthus calculation: the population size is going to outstrip the opportunity size very quickly. More simply put, the demand is nowhere near high enough per year to justify the supply which is now being produced. Another problem is the way that the IT systems tend to work in corporations: You can run an IT support team with three guys in a small room, as previously mentioned this could probably last for years on end without change. There is no need to replace them because they don't really get promoted all too often and they don't need to change jobs; the pre-existent shortage of positions relative to the number of CS students simply means thatno jobs are really going to open up in the higher-levels at a sustainable rate. Engineers should be fine, however, because that is a less specific course and has more demand in the labour market

[Anonymous No.3698221]

>>3698130

>CS
>saturation

Me and my entry-level 55k salary are laughing at you. Enjoy McDonald's, if they'll even take you that is.

[Anonymous No.3698229]

>>3698185
Really?
...the entire Post-Modern perspective which originated in the mid 20th century with Baudrillard and later with Lyotard in 1979. Just find it on wiipedia, there is a fair amount.

>>3698205
Ignore this faggot, neither of those are post-modernist, the former is vulgar Marxist militarism. The post-structuralists isn't really a thing in sociology, post-structuralism isn't even a sociological term in the academic circles.

[Anonymous No.3698231]

>>3698221
>55k
>He actually boasts about 55k
back to gentoo

[Anonymous No.3698233]

>>3698221
Nice sample of one, must be representative, fucking imbecile

[Anonymous No.3698236]

>>3698217
Thanks for this bloated diatribe that could've been summed up in "There's very little opportunity for advancement in the field of IT and job growth in CS isn't sustainable."

[Anonymous No.3698238]

>>3698148
>The only suitable path for CS now is IT support, which is a shit-tier, dead-end job (etc)

I'm glad to hear that; I know a guy with some kinda CS degree who has ended up working the 3rd-shift help desk at a local industry and seems to think that he's king shit of shit mountain; I always had the feeling that he was just, well, full of shit - but never knew enough about the IT world to confirm it.

Thanks; you have made my weekend.

[Anonymous No.3698240]

>>3698229
>Ignore this faggot, neither of those are post-modernist, the former is vulgar Marxist militarism. The post-structuralists isn't really a thing in sociology, post-structuralism isn't even a sociological term in the academic circles.

No they're absolutely taught in these programs as "social theory", shithead. Despite your quibbling over nomenclature all of these thinkers fall under the broader definition of post-modernism.

[Anonymous No.3698241]

>>3698229
>Baudrillard
>mid 20th century

[Anonymous No.3698248]

>>3698196
Except, you do. Sorry to lay the philosophy on heavy but Euclid did, Descartes did, Godel did, Frege did, Russell and Whitehead did, and I'm sure there are other theories. THe tihng is you never know what's wrong until afterwards. You have to keep pushing the frontier. They generally do exactly that, unfortunately.
Initially, if you're just learning to into it, i'd go with the following pattern:
>Sophie's world (Gaarder)
Everyone worth their salt has read this, good introduction to the process
>Philosophy - the basics (Warburton)
basics, as it says
>History of western philosophy (Russell)
>History of ethics (MacIntyre)
Then begin reading the texts, Plato then Aristotle, then find Inwood's hellenistic philosophy (hackett publishing 2nd ed.), Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas (find a summary somewhere), Descartes, Hobbes, Locke, Spinoza, Berkeley, Hume, Kant, Fichte, Hegel (Singer's Very short introduction is good as a guide), Marx, then move up to G E Moore, Russell, Wittgenstein and you should be able to proceed by yourself

[Anonymous No.3698249]

>>3698198
>Hence why
DYER?

[Anonymous No.3698254]

>>3698236
>Implying the actual explanation isn't necessary
fuck off, faggot, you may as well have just written boo, fucking hypocrite

[Anonymous No.3698255]

>>3698067
lol'd at medicine mid tier

[Anonymous No.3698257]

>>3698240
I know they're taught you fucking idiot, but the frankfurt school absolutely cannot be considered post-modernist. The frankfurt school was vulgar marxism and the fact that you don't know that simply implies you need to go read some fucking sociology.

[Anonymous No.3698260]

>>3698196
>I don't know much about philosophy, do you have any books that you'd recommend?

If you want reading lists from an actual university program instead of advice from people on 4chan, here you go.

http://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/pros_students/reading_list_prosp_ugrads.pdf
http://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/u_grads/reading_lists/reading_lists_a.html
http://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/u_grads/reading_lists/reading_lists_b.html
http://www.phil.cam.ac.uk/u_grads/reading_lists/reading_lists_2.html

[Anonymous No.3698265]

>>3698241
>1968
>Not mid-twentieth
alrighty then

[Anonymous No.3698267]

>>3698260
The into books are terrible.

[Anonymous No.3698269]

>>3698248
Not him but is The Story of Philosophy by Durant a good introduction? I've been reading that.

[Anonymous No.3698271]

>>3698257
I wasn't passing a judgement on their works, I was stating a fact. Don't start jiggling with rage you inept heap of genetic rubble.

[Anonymous No.3698274]

>>3698267
They're fine.

[Anonymous No.3698275]

>>3698231

>implying you don't make under 25k a year

Enjoy your poverty!

[Anonymous No.3698276]

>>3698196
>I get that, but in maths we don't teach false theorems with hopes that they'll inspire future good theorems.
>we
Your idea of what maths is shows you're an outsider.

[Anonymous No.3698279]

>>3698275

>under 25k a year
>poverty

Not who you're talking to or anything but I make about 22k a year and I live quite comfortably with one roommate. I can't afford to travel the world but I'm happy enough.

[Anonymous No.3698281]

>>3698260
>Implying the cambridge reading list is not full of shit
>Mfw none of these are introductions, but require foreknowledge of the subject
He's getting into philosophy, dropping into Hume and the greats isn't the way in, and don't try to appeal to institutions as intrinsicaly more valuable guides. First of all he isn't doing a philosophy course so your list is almost irrelevant, and secondly I am a Philosophy Graduate working on my masters, with a fair amount of personal experience of subject introduction.

[Anonymous No.3698283]

>>3698279

>this is what librul arts majors actually believe

[Anonymous No.3698284]

>>3698269
Not too bad, I was never a fan of Durant but whatever works for you, I've heard he has been good for others

[Anonymous No.3698288]

>>3698248
Yes, they're all good introductions, but I'd also recommend Kenny's New History of Western Philosophy and Scruton's Modern Philosophy.

When it comes to starting with Wittgenstein, start with Frege, Russell and then the Investigations before the Tractatus. Whenever you need Tractatus knowledge to understand the Investigations, (a few times,) Wittgenstein explicitly quotes or references the Tractatus.

[Anonymous No.3698289]

>>3698275
I work for oil companies in Alaska and you can only dream of the numbers I make in half a year while you sit at your desk and slowly rot in a cubicle while I enjoy real work for men that have not yet given into the beta life. But keep throwing around your mcdonalds nad poverty claims.

[Anonymous No.3698291]

>>3698271
Your 'fact' is wrong. I am not passing judgements either, vulgar marxism is a term coined by Swingewood, which denotes a type of caricatured marxism focussing on materialistic and non-dialectic theories. Babby's first marxism lesson going okay?

[Anonymous No.3698292]

>>3698284
I've heard that Russell is shit, so I went with Durant.
It'll do me.

[Anonymous No.3698295]

>>3698279

How the fuck is that even possible?

[Anonymous No.3698300]

>>3698274
It might be me reading them to see how they are and not experiencing them as an introduction, but certainly Nagel and Blackburn's books in the gen intro lists are really not good and somewhat tedious, and the list of others is rather hit and miss. And the "Great Dead Philosophers" list seems like a last minute afterthought.

[Anonymous No.3698302]

>>3698291
My bad.

[Anonymous No.3698303]

>>3698281
How is say, "Think" by Simon Blackburn not an introduction? Their lists are full of modern words and don't just "drop you into Hume and the greats" and also have multiple books dealing with the great philosophers when they get to them. I don't know what you mean, honestly.

[Anonymous No.3698297]

>>3698274
Nope, they're not

[Anonymous No.3698298]

>>3698295

Well not owning a car helps. And just basic budgeting.

[Anonymous No.3698306]

>>3698303
modern works*

[Anonymous No.3698305]

>>3698283
I'm not sure if that was intentional or if you're an idiot; your tone suggests the former but the content of your response is definitely leaning the other way

[Anonymous No.3698309]

>>3698288
I would dispute the investigations -> Tractatus bit. Otherwise you'll never realy get the way he rescinded his ideas in investigations. I think the development of his thought is too important to ignore for ease of reading

[Anonymous No.3698310]

>>3698303
>How is say, "Think" by Simon Blackburn not an introduction?
Because it's terrible.

[Anonymous No.3698315]

>>3698279
>but I make about 22k a year and I live quite comfortably with one roommate.

Yeah, I was making about 18K on my first job and was living quite comfortably.

[Anonymous No.3698316]

>>3698283
>librul
>Penn Gilette
Back to >>>/pol/ with you.

[Anonymous No.3698320]

>>3698310
Whether or not you like it is irrelevant to whether it is an introductory book.

[Anonymous No.3698321]

>>3698248
>>3698260
Thanks, I'll take a look at both suggestions.

[Anonymous No.3698327]

>>3698288
oh lawd
>thinks he can crack the tractatus without knowing mathematical and philosophical logic

[Anonymous No.3698329]

>>3698221
What currency is this?

[Anonymous No.3698325]

>>3698303
The cambridge list is generally loaded with actual works on topics whereas if you start with those then it is hard to get to grips with the basics of actually doing philosophy. Introductions need to come first, whereas the Cambridge course seems too heavy for someone who is only just starting out in the subject.

Also, Julian Baggini - all that matters; Philosophy is good and readable in around 4 hours

[Anonymous No.3698331]

>>3698315
*That's pounds not dollars. I don't know which currency you're using.

[Anonymous No.3698335]

>>3698325
And I'm saying that the prospective students list has introductory works on it. I'm not telling to guy to pick up their list on Metaphysics and go through it, or something. Do introductory reading first. If you don't like the introductory books they suggest use other ones, but their reading lists are good.

[Anonymous No.3698338]

>>3698329
Pound probably; $55k would only be £35k, whereas £55k would be $84k.

[Anonymous No.3698339]

>>3698309
That would be fine I guess and undertaking the Tractatus first is the common wisdom. But to me, the Tractatus became much clearer after studying the Investigations. If someone were to dive right into the Tractatus, they would need a damn good introductory text.

Which could perhaps be done with the likes of Mcginn, Kenny or Schroeder.

In the Investigations though he does use phrases all the time like "the author of the Tractatus thought X..." or "In the Tractatus, I said Y..." which helps to link the texts pretty well.

[Anonymous No.3698340]

>>3698338
You won't get £55k entry level CS jobs generally

[Anonymous No.3698343]

>>3698335
Also the reading lists are divided by year. 1a is year one, 1b is year two, and 2 is year three. You're not supposed to just drop in.

[Anonymous No.3698344]

>>3698327
Precisely why I suggested to start with the Investigations where Wittgenstein expands on much of the Tractatus providing argumentation for a lot of it.

These arguments did exist at the time of writing TLP, but are mainly found in obscure German exercise books called the Werkhausgabe, and the Nachlass of course, but they are most conveniently explicated in the Investigations, Zettel, etc.

[Anonymous No.3698348]

It's funny - philosophers are often horrible at writing, yet it's now the main topic of discussion on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.3698354]

>>3698331

I'm using dollars but 22k dollars is probably roughly equivalent to 18k pounds?

Yeah I don't understand how people who make 60+k/year have tons of credit-card debt. I don't even own a fucking credit card. And I save 10% of my income (should be more but hey, I only make 22k).

[Anonymous No.3698361]

>>3698354
>I'm using dollars but 22k dollars is probably roughly equivalent to 18k pounds?
It's a bit less, though for a real comparison you'd have to look at net rather than gross and living costs. ~£20k is more than good enough for one person to live on, just no lobster dinners.

[Anonymous No.3698362]

>>3698354
Shitty mortgages, kids and status symbols like expensive cars are all incredibly expensive.

[Anonymous No.3698371]

I don't care if CS/Engineering majors make more than me, their behavior on 4chan is so disgusting I would rather live in a junk-yard than be associated with them.

Shallow, autistic, uneducated twats the lot of you.

[Anonymous No.3698372]

>>3698371

lol whatever you say, I'll be enjoying a three-week vacation in Cannes this summer while you're unemployed in your parents' basement scrambling to find a part-time retail job before school starts again.

[Anonymous No.3698375]

>>3698371
Seriously. It's like making money by being a brony.

[Anonymous No.3698378]

>have phd in math
>any job i want
>300k starting

[Anonymous No.3698380]

>>3698371
>actually talking to other engineering majors while studying it

Shiggington Diggington, old chap.

>not just sitting in on the cool classes whenever

[Anonymous No.3698383]

>>3698295
Are you serious? You can live decently on 10k a year. Perhaps less. There's people making it on around 7 even in the US and they aren't even homeless.

[Anonymous No.3698384]

>>3698378
>have PhD in women's studys
>cunt destroyer

[Anonymous No.3698385]

>Be ranger
>Outside all erryday in beatiful nature
>Carry books to read during downtime in the forest
>Make enough money to live comfortably and be close to the forest

[Anonymous No.3698386]

>>3698384

This made me laugh way fucking harder than it should have.

[Anonymous No.3698387]

>>3698383
Sure, if you want to live in fucking Appalachia or the Ozarks in a trailer, you can get by on $10k. Comes with free EBT and medicaid applications.

[Anonymous No.3698388]

>>3698385
lol whatever you say, I'll be enjoying a three-year vacation on Mars this summer while you're chopping down trees and trying to stop forest fires

[Anonymous No.3698389]

>mfw stem kiddies talk shit

[Anonymous No.3698391]

>>3698383

Maybe if you get government assistance or live with four or five roommates.

[Anonymous No.3698395]

>>3698279
>I can't afford to travel the world
There are ways to travel cheaply, you'd be surprised.

[Anonymous No.3698397]

>>3698389
>flaccid demand for stem jobs

HEH,

[Anonymous No.3698399]

ITT: /lit/tards justifying their <20k/y is good lifestyle.

sour grape eh?

[Anonymous No.3698405]

>>3698354
>I'm using dollars but 22k dollars is probably roughly equivalent to 18k pounds?

Nah, $22k is £14.2k

[Anonymous No.3698406]

>>3698391
Bare minimum to live hand to mouth in London for one person would be about £8K, though living to work and maybe have paltry savings is not what I'd consider decent either.

[Anonymous No.3698409]

>tfw long and prosperous humanities literary neet slack godbound sneaklife tradition of rogue do-nothings from shamans to philosophers to clergy to academia to the welfare line all abound up in one glorious unbroken linage to the day I cash my next check
>tfw I hear a whisper upon mine ears
>it's diogenes, anselmus, nietzsche, buddha, jesus and every other sage and thinker of history saying "doing it right" in a conspiring manner
>tfw the STEMs are toiling and mumbling about their tvs and vacations while they work work work 50 weeks a year
>laying in the field with a sack of wine slumbering with a heart full of mischievous joy
>nomine patri otium est
>et feeli
>et spiritus vini
>ramen

[Anonymous No.3698410]

I'm an English major, planning to chill out and teach English in Japan for a while. Then I'm going to return to the US, go to law school, and work at my uncle's law firm (he recently made partner). Gotta have fun in life brahs, its not all about the money. I'll be fucking a bunch of Japanese housewives, traveling across the world on my vacations, and possibly fucking my students too. And THEN I'll settle down and marry someone once I become a lawyer.

[Anonymous No.3698413]

>>3698387
>>3698391
Didn't know you were princesses, sorry.

[Anonymous No.3698415]

>>3698409
Typical suburbanite trying way too hard to glorify homelessness. Don't you have a swap meet down at the thrift shop to attend?

[Anonymous No.3698417]

>>3698385
rangerbro reporting in. fulfilling my tribal fetish al erryday in the reservations with native american after slowly gaining their trust shit be like avatar
>them tribal decorations
>my dick

[Anonymous No.3698419]

>>3698410
>Then I'm going to return to the US, go to law school, and work at my uncle's law firm (he recently made partner).
I bet nepotism must sure feel nice.

[Anonymous No.3698420]

>>3698409
It feels great, doesn't it? Leeching off of workers to pursue my intellectual interests is my life dream. Goddamn I hope I never have to put in a hard day of work in my life.

[Anonymous No.3698421]

>>3698409

>that dog-latin

I threw up in my mouth a little bit.

[Anonymous No.3698423]

>Be princess of nigeria
>1 billion zimbabwe dollar starting
>any email address I want

[Anonymous No.3698425]

>>3698123

>read cv
>taught english in X country
>look at cv's language skills
>don't see "fluent in X language"

In to the trash it goes

shit tier job for failures

[Anonymous No.3698428]

>>3698413
I dunno, living in an area populated with neo-confederate clansmen, violent meth heads and opiate addicts sounds appealing in bent sort of Maury Povitch way, but I think I'd rather aim a smidge higher and live in a cheaper part of actual civilization.

[Anonymous No.3698429]

>>3698415
Why would I be homeless when mother State provides me with ample dwellings?

[Anonymous No.3698430]

>>3698419
Eh, my uncle says the job market for lawyers is good even if I don't want to specialize in his type of law work (business contracts). Going to college for 2-3 more years is gonna be a bitch though.

[Anonymous No.3698431]

>>3698420

You don't even know basic Latin, you are not an intellectual, you're just a hipster from a middle-class home in the suburbs who has never spent a significant amount of time on the streets.

[Anonymous No.3698433]

>>3698425
>>taught english in X country
>>look at cv's language skills
>>don't see "fluent in X language"
Not that guy, but that's p typical for teaching ESL, or any other language like that.

[Anonymous No.3698435]

>>3698431
>Implying I'm the same person.
>Implying I don't have an intermediate knowledge of Latin.

[Anonymous No.3698436]

>>3698429
Because section 8 takes years to get in most places.

[Anonymous No.3698432]

Fuck your bitch and the clique you claim.

[Anonymous No.3698443]

>>3698432
bravissimo!

[Anonymous No.3698446]

>>3698432
WE HAVE A WINNER!

[Anonymous No.3698451]

>>3698431
Latin really isn't that useful anymore, unfortunately. It's not longer the shared language of the intellectual west.

[Anonymous No.3698452]

>>3698420
It does. I worked a few weeks once. Never again.

>>3698421
You just hate freedom.

>>3698428
You can live cheaply in better places as well. Like Europe.

[Anonymous No.3698458]

>>3698436

Unless you're a minority single mother.

[Anonymous No.3698463]

>>3698432
What if it's high mid and low tier?

[Anonymous No.3698465]

>>3698432
This is pretty morally repugnant advice assuming the person in question is taking out loans to study.

[Anonymous No.3698468]

>tfw I would kill myself if my life ever came to the point that I had to get a real job

[Anonymous No.3698472]

>CS and Math Major
>Watch tons of films and read in free time

>2013
>not majoring in a stem major that you like so you can live comfortably and spend your free time studying your artistic hobbies

[Anonymous No.3698473]

>>3698458
No.

>>3698452
Right but illegally immigrating to Europe also means I can't collect benefits. Unemployment is skyrocketing there, so what's the point?

[Anonymous No.3698474]

>>3698468
>tfw I got disability 4 life because I told shrinkies that I would rather go full bandit than work

[Anonymous No.3698479]

>>3698468
>>3698474
iPad itinerants detected

[Anonymous No.3698480]

>>3698474
I'm jelly. I have a job where I basically do nothing but read, thankfully. Would rather be at home though.

[Anonymous No.3698483]

>>3698479
fruit preserve noted

[Anonymous No.3698488]

>>3698483
smelly dumb, slummer scum

[Anonymous No.3698492]

>>3698474
I think this should be more common. Especially as manufacture is requiring increasingly less manual labour, and jobs are having to be fought for.

Working should be optional.

[Anonymous No.3698494]

>>3698488
More like delicious depraved, drinking knave.

[Anonymous No.3698497]

>>3697851

I've got to say, the STEM students I know, while I like them, are for the most part horrible with women. They can't compete with us English/philosophy double majors.

[Anonymous No.3698498]

>>3698468

>mfw i am an artist and the word is my billfold

[Anonymous No.3698499]

>>3698492
SSI is already being used as a de facto minimum income because of this. The only reason it's distributed the way it is is because it's very easy to pathologize poverty in the US and protects the system from the FYGM people in red states.

[Anonymous No.3698500]

fixed

[Anonymous No.3698508]

>>3698067

Move medicine up and law down and I agree.

[Anonymous No.3698509]

Can we all atleast agree CS majors are the worst?

>Full of neckbeards
>Kids tend to not be as smart as other STEAM majors
>I WANNA MAKE VIDYA
> Uncultured plebians

[Anonymous No.3698510]

>>3698492
>Working should be optional.

"Look, government, I will never work in a taxable job. Give me money."

"No, the only way to get money is wage slavery."

"I will sell drugs."

"We will arrest you."

"That will be far more expensive than giving me welfare."

[Anonymous No.3698514]

>>3698494
>corpulent wino wallowing in his own destitute filth
>delicious

[Anonymous No.3698519]

>>3698514
Stop being mad that you have to work. We need people to pay for our lifestyles, might as well be you.

[Anonymous No.3698522]

>>3698510
Once you realize political rhetoric about welfare revolves around dogwhistle social darwinism and middle class spite, rather than cost, American politics makes much more sense.

[Anonymous No.3698526]

>>3698514
Actually I'm rather splendid since I have all the time in the world to stroll around all day and cook tasty healthy meals.

Not to mention stress free. Enjoy your Stroka Strola.

[Anonymous No.3698528]

>>3698519
You spending MY TAX DOLLERS isn't my concern. You potentially deciding to bring your filth and stink into my place of business does.

[Anonymous No.3698530]

>>3698528
Good thing the state doesn't let you run your business however you want, eh?

[Anonymous No.3698536]

>>3698530
>>3698530
#rekt

based government to protect the freedoms of the down & out against the big bad business people and racists etc.

[Anonymous No.3698537]

>>3698530
I'm just tired of having to hose down the floor and walls of my tiny music venue every time the crusties show up for a free show.

[Anonymous No.3698538]

This was made by a nobrain STEM major.

Have fun being a human calculator.

[Anonymous No.3698540]

>yet another NEET thread

[Anonymous No.3698543]

>>3698510
You're going to wish you did something with your life 30 years from now.

[Anonymous No.3698545]

>>3698543
and then he spoke upon the edge of his grave: if only i had spent more time at the office

[Anonymous No.3698546]

>>3698543
Like what? Work in a cubicle? Start a business and oppress people?

[Anonymous No.3698547]

>>3698537
You should be cleaning it more regularly than that.

[Anonymous No.3698553]

>>3698547
This isn't mutually exclusive with regular cleanup.

[Anonymous No.3698561]

>>3698545
>>3698546
No, like travel or meet new people

[Anonymous No.3698564]

>>3698561
So you're telling NEETs to bum around more?

[Anonymous No.3698570]

>>3698564
I wonder how a social networking/meetup/dating type site for NEETs would work out. inb4 you say 4chan

[Anonymous No.3698578]

No college degree Allah Tier reporting in

[Anonymous No.3698586]

>>3698570
Sounds pretty cool actually. Some sort of self-defined unworking class community. Fund it.

[Anonymous No.3698593]

>>3698465
Just about everyone takes out loans to study. Mapping your life around the least expensive degree you can afford is morally repugnant.

[Anonymous No.3698597]

>>3698593
Encouraging people to waste a fuckload of money they cannot pay back because "passion" is morally repugnant. Do you know what happens when you graduate with a liberal arts degree $20k in debt? You get a shitty job you have to work way too much at.

[Anonymous No.3698781]

/lit/ I don't know what to do!

I love all the subjects so much. I love physics and astronomy and engineering, but I also love chem. and Law, and psych and architecture as well as "humanities" like languages, and literature, history and politics

man how the fuck am I gonna choose my major. fuck

[Anonymous No.3698795]

That good feel when Law

[Anonymous No.3698803]

>>3698781

I felt the same when I first started college and, after taking classes in various subjects, many of which were completely unrelated, I wound up in cartography -- a major I hadn't even thought of before entering college.

[Anonymous No.3698812]

>>3698803
I'm just gonna go off my little knowledge and assume you make maps?

what do you actually do?

[Anonymous No.3698817]

>>3698795
enjoy working 100 hours a week and being the partners' bitch for 10 years

[Anonymous No.3698826]

>>3698812
Buster Bluth?

[Anonymous No.3698838]

Technical writing major and geology minor, where does that put me? Also, switch chemistry and geology, much easier to get a good job outside academia as a geology major, plus you get be outside or fucking around in caves instead of being a fucking labrat.

[Anonymous No.3698846]

GOD TIER: Having a genuine love for your major, exploring it outside of the classroom, and working hard to get on a good career path related to it
HIGH TIER: Picking a major thst you like, pays well, or your college is strong in and completing all of the required courses for it
MID TIER: Not really caring about what your major is as long as you get a good education
LOW TIER: Choosing your major thoughtlessly and realizing you hate it after a few courses
SHIT TIER: Going to college so you can have all the freedom of an adult with none of the pressure and responsibility and not because you want to learn

[Anonymous No.3698904]

>>3698099
But what if I love it?

[Anonymous No.3698930]

>>3698846

This this this this is very correct

[Anonymous No.3698954]

GOD TIER: not going to uni at all

SHIT TIER: everything not listed