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Where does one start with lits favourite philosopher?

>> No.3679145

http://www.historyofphilosophy.net/<wbr>

>> No.3679148

>>3679145
i mean what books...

>> No.3679152

>>3679139
Being and Time

>> No.3679167

The Birth of Tragedy
Beyond Good and Evil
The Genealogy of Morals
and
Thus Spoke Tharathustra

>> No.3679172

>>3679139
Read Zarathustra. Here he writes his famous 'God is Dead' line and also develops the theory of the Übermensch. Everything else he wrote is gibberish.

>> No.3679175

"The Will to Power" is my favourite work...

>> No.3679176

>>3679139
i don't know why nobody recommends twilight of the idols, freddy himself said he wrote it as a sort of introduction, i'd start there

>> No.3679187

>>3679139
Obviously, not at the beginning. "The Birth of Tragedy" is background reading, once you've gotten into him and want to find out where all that came from.

Why not, indeed, right at the end? The last thing he wrote in a state of sanity was an overview of all his own works - "Ecce Homo" - and that really still is, contrary to certain scurrilous rumours, a basically sane and brilliant book.

And needless to say, avoid the ostensible "final statement" of his ideas put together by his witless Nazi sister after his death - assuming that piece of crap is still even in print. Anything with the name Elisabeth Foerster-Nietzsche attached to it in any way is to be avoided.

>> No.3679193

>>3679172
I started reading that book because of that line when I was fifteen.
Found out the line was only like ten pages in. Didn't finish it. Still hasn't.

>> No.3679196

>/lit/s favourite philosopher

Nope. Half the threads about him are troll threads (like the Stirner threads)

Nietzsche said a lot of profound things, but he was above all else an edgy faggot

>> No.3679202

Twilight of the Idols/Beyond Good and Evil/The Anti-Christ/The Genealogy of Morals. Take your pick, but I recommend Twilight of the Idols.

DON'T start with Birth of Tragedy, Zarathustra, Ecce Homo, or the Will to Power. Especially not the Will to Power.

>> No.3679210

>>3679175
Protip. This is probably a post by the aforementioned Elisabeth Foerster-Nietzsche.

She'd be....um.....166 now, but these Nazi women live a loooooooong time. Leni Riefenstahl got well past 100.

But seriously, "The Will To Power" is one of the Nazi bitch's semi-forgeries. Don't read it.

>> No.3679222

>>3679196
>Nietzsche and Stirner
>troll
>edgy
You clearly didn't understand any of them.

>> No.3679223

>>3679222
No, you don't.

>> No.3679226

>>3679202
What have you got against Ecce Homo as an introduction?
It's not "systematic", true, but then nothing of Nietzsche's is.
And it is written in a brilliant, crystal clear style and reviews every book from the Birth of Tragedy on.

>> No.3679227

>>3679176

I agree with this anon.

>> No.3679229

>>3679223
>no u argument
someone not worth arguing with then

>> No.3679237

>>3679229
Is the joke that you're overlooking "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT", implying that is an interesting argument?

>> No.3679263

no gay science?

/thread

>> No.3679313

>>3679139

>Where does one start with lits favourite philosopher?
>Nietzsche

Start by learning German, you illiterate American cunts.

>> No.3679342

>>3679313
Sei' nicht so uebereilig mit Deiner Verachtung.

Soweit ich sehen kann, wurde es nirgendwo in diesem Thread ausdruecklich ausgesprochen, dass der OP diese Werke erst in Uebersetzung lesen sollte.

Zwar habe ich die Werke, die ich genannt habe, mit ihren englischen Titeln genannt. Aber nur aus Hoeflichkeit. Gelesen habe ich sie alle auf Deutsch.

>> No.3679352

>>3679342

>Gelesen habe ich sie alle auf Deutsch
Na fein, damit dürften wie beide hier auf dem Board aber ziemlich alleine sein.

Abgesehen davon: Wer fragt denn bitte auf /lit/ nach, wenn er deutsch lesen kann Ratschläge zu Nietzsche sucht?

Ansonsten kann hier natürlich jeder tun, was er will. Ich wollte nur mal ein wenig edgy sein.

>> No.3679349

>>3679222
I didn't say Nietzsche was a troll, I believe he was sincere in his madness.

I've read everything he's written (aside from the letters) and much of the secondary literature about him.

I think his geneality of morality is superb, and the whole idea of the slave revolt in morality is spot on.

Much of what he wrote (in regards to women, democracy, how one should treat other human beings) is beyond edgy

>> No.3679357

>>3679349
>I've read everything he's written
Highly unlikely.
> and much of the secondary literature about him
Hardly.

Wannabe.

>> No.3679360

>>3679357
Just because you're an ill-educated pleb doesn't mean he is.

>> No.3679367

>>3679342
amazingly enough, this reads like you are not a native speaker but very, very astute in your language learning. Gratulor!

>> No.3679370

>>3679360

Just because you can hit a keyboard doesn't mean the result to be a valid insult.

>> No.3679376

>>3679352
Ich bestreite nicht, dass Du hoechstwahrscheinlich, ja fast mit Sicherheit, mit Deiner "edginess" aufs Richtige getippt hast.

Trotzdem ist ein Thread zum Thema "Nietzsche" wohl der am wenigsten geeignete Platz....Pessimist (!) zu sein.

>> No.3679381

>>3679357
How is that unlikely? It's around 13 books plus nachlass.

>> No.3679398

>>3679193
>>3679172
Didn't he originally write it in The Gay Science?

>> No.3679400

>>3679376

Lass es mich so sagen: Es gibt hier schon zu viele Leute, die ständig betonen, was sie bereits alles gelesen haben und wieviel sie wissen. Ich warte (Optimismus!) auf jemanden, der zur Sache schreibt und bei dem ich selbst beim Lesen denke: "Oh, der hat wirklich Ahnung, was er da sagt." /lit ist einfach voll von prätentiösen Möchtegern-Intellektuellen (wie das ganze Internet), und manchmal habe ich einfach Lust, das laut auszusprechen.

Ich habe nicht alles von Nietzsche gelesen (viel, aber nicht alles), und schon gar nicht alles, was ÜBER ihn geschrieben wurde. Aber auch so hat mich hier im Thread noch keine Äußerung beeindruckt (abgesehen von deinem Deutsch, bravo!), obwohl man bei den vorliegenden Selbstbeschreibungen davon ausgehen können sollte, oder?

>> No.3679416

>>3679381

>13 books
Have you ever laid eyes on a complete edition of his works (let's leave aside letters and Nachlass for the moment)?

You can't have traveled very far.

>> No.3679417

>>3679367
Well, thanks. The compliment is certainly pretty heavily left-handed, as you've obviously picked up on some clearly recognizable shortcoming in my German. But it IS a compliment, I suppose, to be told that I can write fairly well in a language that plainly isn't my own.
I am actually an Englishman, currently resident in France, but with several years' residence in Berlin behind me too.
It's not unlikely, though, that I owe a large part of my written German to Nietzsche, whom I read almost in his entirety in my early twenties. (He almost killed me, and the piece of flotsam I clung to for a few years to avoid going under in the bitter sea of his insights was a particularly crude and stupid variant of Marxism. It served its purpose, and a few years later I was able to abandon it, having gathered the inward strength to face what Nietzsche had shown me without being destroyed by it).

>> No.3679435

Plato.

>> No.3679448

I read the first 20 pages of Beyond Good and Evil aloud to myself and stopped.

Not because it bored me or I found it distasteful, I just had something else to do.

>> No.3679467

>>3679448
Nominated for the 4Chan /lit/ Board "Relevant-Information-Free Dadaist Non Sequitur" Award 2013

>> No.3679487

>>3679467
It's a daring synthesis of social commentary on the fundamental lack of sincerity in society and ADHD.
You're just too plebeian to get it.