Japan lit thread

[Wepz No.3661696]

Essential Japan Lit thread right now.

[Anonymous No.3661710]

Hagakure
Bushido
Musashi
Book of the 5 Rings
Haruki Murakami

[Anonymous No.3661960]

how about the things on the recommendation chart

[Anonymous No.3661982]

>>3661710
>Haruki Murakami

hardly.
jap lit for american readers.

good chart
>>3661960
unnecessary thread

[Anonymous No.3661987]

>>3661982
What makes you think Murakami isn't essential? Are you even Japanese? Because I am, you stupid pretentious weeaboo.

[Anonymous No.3661991]

>>3661987
Pic related it's you.

[Kekkafuza !IDCVJudge6 No.3661992]

>>3661987
lol'd

dazai is cool, guys

[Anonymous No.3662034]

>>3661982
You do realize that you criticized Haruki Murakami then complimented a chart recommending Haruki Murakami?

If you want to criticize his writing, style, message, tone, prose, that's fine. I'll entertain that, but the criticism I keep hearing on here that "That's Jap lit for American readers" that reeks of a little hipster mentality, as if I should be concerned of how he's received in his own country. And that's not to accuse you of being a hipster, it's just that I'm not going to stop reading it out of a desire to get more "Authentic" literature. As if I was a foodie trying to get "The real experience" and not just chasing the best read I can find.

[Anonymous No.3662040]

>>3662034
Wouldnt a hipster be more interested in him because he is less popular in Japan, and therefore more "obscure"?

[Anonymous No.3662047]

>>3662040
I'm just saying it's a little hipster to consider popularity in the equation at all.

[Anonymous No.3662050]

ah, just the thread i needed.
is there a way to get a hold of Sugawara no Michizane's poetry, or is it too old?

[Anonymous No.3662061]

Kokoro by Soseki

> there's a /lit/ recommended reading list, and "essential japanese" is a category

[Anonymous No.3662092]

>>3662050
>p-please respond

[Anonymous No.3662207]

recently on NHK (japanese public news channel) they had a special about murakami in translation and the differences that appear. for instance "Zou no shoumetsu" is translated as The Elephant Vanishes even though shoumetsu actually has several meanings in Japanese, vanishing just being one of them. it can also be a polite/poetic way to say dies.

also in the same story, in japanese he writes about 5 people together on the 5th of may. written in japanese it would like something like 五人五月五日 (not exactly) and is something akin to alliteration that is lost in english. finally, one last point they mention is that in japanese, the subject is not often mentioned (for instance, "I came by train." would be "Densha de kita." where the subject would be implied), but murakami tends to often use subjects when he writes in Japanese giving his writing a peculiar feeling for Japanese readers that is lost on an English audience because the subject is standard.

i'm not speaking to the quality of his work, or whether or not it is japlit for americans or whatever, i just thought it was interesting

[Anonymous No.3662221]

>>3662061

[Anonymous No.3662742]

>/lit/ will never acknowledge the existence of Sentou Yousei Yukikaze as a legitimate work of Japanese science fiction

[Anonymous No.3662801]

>>3662034
I know it's in the chart, but it also has a lot of other postwar author and presents a much more wellrounded exposure to jap lit.
I didn't say anything about my opinion of his work, but the guy is putting it by 4 fucking books on feudal samurai code and we're discussing essential japanese lit, what I mean by american readers is that it appeals much more to western sensibilities than the Japanese, similar to Jarmusch or Lynch's popularity in european circuits. I don't care why you read what you do, I like Ryu Murakami and Osamu Dazai because I relate to their lives and stories, but their popularity and recognition is relevant because its proof they widely represent and appeal to the postwar Japanese.

>>3662047
That's an incredibly stupid post. Please don't post about "hipsters", you've no idea who the fuck you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.3663040]

>>3662801
>that fat wrist

>>3662742
is dat translated into eigo?

i'm reading musashi right now and the translation/prose is pretty fucking terrible.

[Anonymous No.3663612]

>>3663040
First and second book are available in english.

[The Sound and the Fury !!KlYr/MIPjaz No.3663638]

I love Kawabata, so -

Thousand Cranes
Snow Country
Beauty and Sadness

Mishima

Temple of the Golden Pavilion
Patriotism

Dazai

No Longer Human
The Setting Sun

Tanizaki

Some Prefer Nettles

And Soseki - I haven't read any.

[Anonymous No.3664047]

Does anyone have any recommendations for Japanese poetry that I could read in the original Japanese? Where should I start?

[Anonymous No.3664266]

>>3664047

Theres a few old classic compilations of poetry, look up the Maoyushu, or however its spelled. Look up the kojiki (oldest japanese book, tells the creation myth of japan) on wikipedia and you should see the other old books, click them and youll find it. also look up basho, famous poet.

[Anonymous No.3664422]

>>3663638

I'm a huge fan of Kawabata, to the uninitiated I'd probably recommend starting with snow country.

[Anonymous No.3664436]

>>3664422
second. I don't know why but snow country was just so.... something.