/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.3651269]

>tfw too smart for your psychotherapist

[Anonymous No.3651270]

>tfw too ubermensch for other people

[Anonymous No.3651273]

He just makes you think that you're too smart for him so that he can find out where your superiority complex stems from.

[Anonymous No.3651276]

>tfw psychotherapist, and lulling my narcissistic patient into a false sense of security.

[Anonymous No.3651279]

Is your psychotherapist an idiot?

[Anonymous No.3651288]

>>3651279
He doesn't know anything about philosophy or history or mythology, let alone psychology. His certificate said Indiana University. I'll never make any progress with this guy

[Anonymous No.3651307]

>>3651288
you should probably get to know each other first
retard

[Anonymous No.3651326]

>>3651307
Whatever. I'm too good for all this shit. I'm just going to buttfuck his mind.

[Anonymous No.3651328]

>tfw your shrink refers you to another shrink who has a degree in philosophy because she feels insufficiently qualified to engage you in conversation on your level

[Anonymous No.3651343]

i had to give up on professional help. They are all to linear to give creedence to philosophy, thought, or existential conundrums

[Anonymous No.3651344]

If you are so smart why do you need a psychotherapist? Check and mate, mate.

[Anonymous No.3651345]

>having shrinks
>2013
>not being your own theraphists
>not being attuned to the changes of your mind
>not picking a mind discipline

[Anonymous No.3651350]

>tfw too smart for everybody
>tfw smartest person in the world
>tfw the bank teller can barely even manage to respond when I try to engage her in philosophical discourse
>tfw try to engage a group of construction workers in conversation about Kierkegaard and they only know about his views on Christianity
>tfw my grandma just smiles and compliments my intelligence when I ask her to explain her views on Kant's approach to religion

Why is everyone in the general public such plebs?

[Anonymous No.3651354]

>>3651344
This, the real smart-asses know exactly how to study themselves and figure out what needs to be changed.

Get the fuck in line.

[Anonymous No.3651359]

>opfw too stupid to distinguish between being smart and being stupid

[Anonymous No.3651363]

Guys, thinking a psych worker of any kind can't help you because you're smarter or more educated is silly: You're not there to engage in a battle of wits, or a contest of quotations or literary trivia. He's a technical expert, in a very specific field, and he's there to follow protocols and procedures to help you solve whatever problem brought you to him in the first place. If you went to him for a philosophical discussion, you're an idiot. That's like going to the grocery store for furniture.

Einstein was pretty smart, but when he went to the doctor he didn't say "Durr, University of Indiana, no physics background" he took the guys advice and followed it.

If you insist that a guy know more about philosophy than you before you'll hire them for a specialized job, I hope your pipes never leak.

be twice as intelligent as the best plumber, or the best cook or the best psychologist on earth and it won't help with your toilet, your souffle, or your superiority complex. And Why would you be discussing history, mythology or philosophy with him anyway?

I'm picturing you saying something to your surgeon like: "You read Tolstoy in translation? Keep your hands off me, you quack!"

let the guy help you. chances are pretty good he knows how.

[Anonymous No.3651369]

>>3651344
I mostly just needed someone to talk to about some shit, but he tried to work the conversation down to this tiny level where no progress will be made.

But since I'm apparently unable to be helped I'm over it.

[Anonymous No.3651372]

>>3651363
I still think OP is an idiot, but I think it's the responsibility of someone who may be helping people get past their existential crisis to at least have some knowledge in philosophy.

My mom made me go to a shrink for a few weeks in high school after she found out I smoked weed, and I regret shutting him and not taking the chance to have decent discussion with him.

[Anonymous No.3651387]

>>3651372
he probably does: just not the philosphers you're likely to be familiar with. James, for instance, or Skinner, or Russell, and maybe de Chardin. He's not going to want to enter a discussion in philosophy though, any more than a discussion in automotive repair. and if he does, it's probably to draw you out. A philosophical problem just isn't the sort of thing you go to a psych guy for. He's used to existential crises and philosphical problems as just rationalizations for social and emotional problems, and he's likely to traet them that way

[Anonymous No.3651388]

>>3651344
>if you're such a great athlete who do you get cancer?

[Anonymous No.3651391]

>>3651363
>Why would you be discussing history, mythology or philosophy with him anyway?

Maybe my problems involve those disciplines, plus psychology of course? Maybe I was expecting someone who would be equipped enough to discuss them? But I guess not. I could feel his intimidation too, lol. I quit.

[Anonymous No.3651394]

>>3651389
Sure sure. Be careful not to get sucked into your own tricks.

[Anonymous No.3651389]

>>3651345
>not knowing it's about creating a papertrail of mental instability to use as reference when applying for disability benefits

Amateur.

[Anonymous No.3651398]

>>3651394
In what way?

[Anonymous No.3651406]

>>3651398
Its easy to avoid using words. But playing the fool eventually makes you into a fool. Those weaker willed will under take this scam and end up being real patients.

Lesson here is that only you know yourself to your fullest extent (and you don't even know yourself in that respect). So fuck a shrink.

[Anonymous No.3651417]

>>3651406
I fully accept that I'm actually dysfunctional. I just don't see a shrink fixing that. I don't think I even want to be fixed. I just want money so I can be deranged in my little bubble of automythology without bothering with thinks like working and such.

[Anonymous No.3651421]

i kind of feel this but i haven't tested it because i'd feel like an asshole

maybe i just need to embrace being an asshole. i'd accomplish more

[Anonymous No.3651429]

>>3651421
You will accomplish everything. Except meeting with skilled psychotherapists

[Anonymous No.3651430]

>>3651421
you feel too smart for your shrink that you don't have?

you might need to get help.

[Anonymous No.3651431]

>>3651391
That's got to be the funniest thing Ive read all day.

"Doctor! You have to help me! I went back in time to talk to Diogenes, and we were attacked by a griffin! That's not a greek heraldic beast is it? It's making me question my masculinity!"

[Anonymous No.3651442]

>>3651429
i don't think i'd need to at that point

[Anonymous No.3651445]

>>3651391
so what are your problems exactly? some kind of "I'm looking for the purpose of life that's why I'm so autistic" thing?

[Anonymous No.3651446]

>>3651430
i have a "counselor"

[Anonymous No.3651462]

>>3651445
>>3651431
Whatever "problems" there were I'm now fully embracing. I can't let incompetent morons interfere with my life

[lazy No.3651474]

>>3651417
Great. Consider planning a scam. One good haul could last you a long time, depending on how you spend your money.

I was thinking selling high quality furry masks (under a pseudonym of course) and go to furry cons and sell them for ridiculously high prices. COuld net me 1000$+ for less than 100$ materials.

[Anonymous No.3651483]

>>3651462
you want to be careful who you put in the incompetent morons category. There are going to be people who will want to "interfere" to do you some good. And you have to be sure of the incompetence. A guy that doesn't know anything about Spinoza might still be the most competent psychologist in the country. And the fact that he knows everything about his field and can practice it takes him out of the moron category.

[Anonymous No.3651484]

>>3651372
Your mom made you go to a shrink for pot? Thats the most ridiculously middle class white thing ive ever heard! Did she believe pokemon was satanic as well?

[Anonymous No.3651486]

Psychology students make me laugh, always trying to convince me that proper treatments are 'simply bandaids'

[Anonymous No.3651495]

I've tried going to therapists twice, and each time it felt like that DFW story- Good old Neon, I think- where the narrator manipulates his psychoanalyst to react the way he wants to react, all the while understanding exactly the methodology the analyst will use, and accurately predicting the guy's next move, reaction, and even self-assurance at thinking he made a sort of 'breakthrough' or something in the narrator's consciousness, even though the narrator simply played along with the guy's routine and lead-up into that 'realization' that he was supposed to have. It's difficult to explain without feeling pompous but I'm simply too good at understanding the psychology of others for them to effect any change. I either end up lying to make myself appear healthier than I am (this was in the case where my parents forced me to go) or simply telling them I've realized I don't need help, and I stop going.

[Anonymous No.3651498]

>>3651486
but a bandaid is a proper treatment for a small cut or what not.

[Anonymous No.3651505]

>>3651484
No she wasn't religious or anything. But anything that's illegal is absolutely abhorrent to her without exception whether or not she has proper justification for it. Like a few years ago she flipped shit on me because I wasn't going to be able to file my taxes on time (my w2 hadn't arrived in the mail yet) and would have to pay a penalty.

[Anonymous No.3651509]

>>3651474
I live just fine @ €840 a month. i don't see the need for risk and I'm probably up for promotion soon.

[Anonymous No.3651510]

>>3651486
>>>/sci/

[Anonymous No.3651519]

>>3651498
Yes, but their intention is to emphasise the lack of impact pharmacological treatment has by comparing it to a sticky bandage

[Anonymous No.3651524]

>>3651269

Which is why he's in the psychotherapists chair and you're not whilst seeking his help.

[Anonymous No.3651525]

>>3651269
it's not your fault

[Anonymous No.3651526]

>>3651484
>>3651505
I should also mention that that this is someone who was diagnosed borderline schizophrenic as a teenager and still shows signs of it, though she doesn't take meds, as well as someone who played tricks to pay for college. Not that I particular hate her or anything, she just has too many control issues for us to have a close relationship.

[Anonymous No.3651528]

>>3651388

That's a terrible analogy and you should feel doubly ashamed.

[Anonymous No.3651533]

>>3651276
>tfw you're pretty sure your psychotherapist is doing this

He keeps trying to convince me to say "I'm smart."

[Anonymous No.3651538]

>>3651483
I feel like the most competent psychologist alive would know a bit about philosophy though

[Anonymous No.3651542]

>>3651328
>has a woman shrink

[Anonymous No.3651544]

I wouldn't go to a therapist unless she was sexy.

[Anonymous No.3651551]

I've been sufficiently handling my own problems, but I always wanted to know what it's like seeing a psych, as long as I'm not prescribed anything.

[Anonymous No.3651552]

>>3651495
>tfw realizing you and DFW are alike
No.

Also another thing, I'd do much better with a female shrink just because. Men are soooo insensitive

[Anonymous No.3651555]

>>3651538
he might: he might not reveal that though, or care to discuss it. people do play games with therapists of all kinds, trying to avoid confronting things they have problems with.

[Anonymous No.3651581]

I enjoyed group therapy because it let me see how fucked up everyone else is

[Anonymous No.3651588]

send him a link to this thread

[Anonymous No.3651601]

>>3651552
Nice generalization. Besides, psyches spend all that time in school basically learning how to be sensitive.

[Anonymous No.3651609]

>>3651601
Well. learning how to pay attention and take note of significant details. The hardest thing to teach intake counsellors (the only kind I've ever trained) is how to not pigeonhole, or classify people by checking things off a list. Two people with exactly the same problems, from exactly the same background might require almost opposite treatment entirely because of the way they're comfortable dealing with things.

[Anonymous No.3651621]

>>3651269

That's why I only trust Freudians OP, if everything has to do about sex, libido and your mother the I'm pretty sure they can get to the bottom of your problem. Plus they are stone cold analytic and don't give a fuck about your feelings.

[Anonymous No.3651636]

>>3651542
They're easier too manipulate.

[Anonymous No.3651646]

>>3651391

Anon has lost his battle with autism.

Don't look down on him, men. It will happen to all of us, someday.

[Anonymous No.3651695]

>>3651524
Oh God no. Trust, even if you are visiting a proper psychiatrist who made it through medical school, some of these guys are THICK SHITS.

Or they try and force their favourite diagnosis/interpretation of the human psyche on you.

Don't get me wrong, they're not all like that. But just because you're sitting in a psychiatrist's chair doesn't make anything you say intelligent or worth listening to

[Anonymous No.3651703]

>tfw solving a trauma.
>tfw your sexual behaviour improves due to solving the trauma.
>tfw after solving some problems you give the credit Dr Freud deserves.

[Anonymous No.3651706]

>needing a shrink
>not being able to self medicate your soul with the vast tradition of philosophical works by such great thinkers as Epictetus and Seneca
>too smart

stay pleb

[Anonymous No.3651709]

Psychotherapy is bullshit. Shrinks are for dispensing pills, not gay chats about feelings.

[Anonymous No.3651710]

>>3651709
>being this ignorant

[Anonymous No.3651712]

What do you call the cheer from a crowd as their leader holds a motivating speech

[Anonymous No.3651713]

>>3651710
sadly enough, he's more correct than you know

[Anonymous No.3651715]

>>3651713
Do you really think that the solution to all psychological problems lies in prescriptions, and talk therapy is worthless? Are you in sixth grade?

[Anonymous No.3651725]

>>3651519
>Implying a mixture of drug and theraputic treatments isn't invariably the best option

[Anonymous No.3651726]

>>3651715
let him pay for expencive pills to blast his brain. If we are lucky enough he will be out of the gene pool pretty soon.

[Anonymous No.3651728]

>>3651709
>>3651486

Medicated American ladies and gentlemen

[Anonymous No.3651730]

>>3651495
This is more my level.

I've gone to therapists twice and both times I just ended up playing their game, acting a part in their play, reciting the lines, and then leaving a "reformed and energetic young man"

Too bad once I leave the door the play's over.

[Anonymous No.3651732]

>>3651269
>paying 200-300 $ per hour someone to talk
>feeling smart

[Anonymous No.3651735]

>>3651732
>living in an uncivilised country
>feeling smug

[Anonymous No.3651737]

>>3651715

The notion that psychological problems can be "cured" by talking about them is one of the most disastrously wrong-headed ideas of the last few centuries. You can go on and on about how psychoactive drugs are a poorly understood treatment and may have disastrous side-effects or whatever, but the fact remains that drugs treat a problem at its source (the brain) instead of attempting to magically change the brain through ritual incantation.

[Anonymous No.3651738]

>Vehemently deny that I am intelligent
>Not sure if this stems from a genuine belief, or from some subconscious need to actually prove to myself that I /am/ intelligent; I know about the Dunning-Kruger effect, so it's not unthinkable that I should use it as evidence in some perverted way
>In the end just end up hating myself

[Anonymous No.3651739]

>>3651730
So why havent you fixed yourself yet?

[Anonymous No.3651743]

>>3651739

The ability to recognize incompetence in others doesn't demand one to be competent oneself. Come the fuck on.

[Anonymous No.3651744]

>>3651737
Smells like a goddamn barn in here.

Discussing problems only works if the individual is willing to put himself out there alongside actually learning what's behind his troubles. With that clarity achieved he had a better idea on what to do to get better.

Please don't mouth off on things you know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.3651746]

>>3651737
well talking worked for Woody Allen. He had a productive life, made awsome movies..

meanwhile, who are you?

[Anonymous No.3651748]

>>3651744
>>3651746

Which is my point: the only thing that words can possibly get you is a better-developed self-delusion.

[Anonymous No.3651751]

>>3651738
pls don't post diogenes with such antidiogenean words

[Anonymous No.3651752]

>>3651738
>mfw Diogenes shaves his body hair

[Anonymous No.3651753]

>>3651746

Woody Allen was fucking his stepdaughter. Good think psychotherapy can be trusted to make us well-adjusted and healthy, though!

[Anonymous No.3651754]

>>3651748
No, delusion only comes from avoidance. If you take the time to sit down and ponder the hows and whys of your issues, you will find your answer. Journaling or talkng can help but is not strictly required.

[Anonymous No.3651755]

>>3651743
Thats true.
But it seems you're claiming you are fairly competent in terms of seeing peoples psychological makeup and manipulating yourself (and others). So why not turn it on yourself and give yourself a true overhaul?

[Anonymous No.3651756]

>>3651269

.. If your problems stems from philosophical conundrums, then don't go see a fucking shrink you idiot.

Go see a shrink if you can't understand the way you're reacting to something. There's lots to you which you don't know/understand - A psychotherapist will help you with that.

There's lots about the universe which you won't ever fully grasp - the same goes for the psychotherapist.


You could go get some philosophical counseling, but it's not easy finding someone who's good at it.

[Anonymous No.3651758]

>>3651754

The answer is (always) that something in your brain is not working in the way you wish it would. So again, why are you futzing around with language trying to convince yourself that the problem is something else? Don't you see that psychotherapy is a game played on a completely different level which is utterly irrelevant to the underlying issues that it purports to address?

[Anonymous No.3651759]

>>3651751
Antidiogenean is an antidiogenean word.

[Anonymous No.3651762]

>>3651758
I don't think you see my point, language is a means to an end, that being clarity. But ultimately the process of healing is a largely intuitive process.

[Anonymous No.3651763]

>>3651755

i'm not >>3651730 jsyk. But surely it should be obvious to everyone on /lit/ that "OH YEAH, WELL IF YOU DONT LIKE JOYCE THEN WHERES ALL YOUR CRITICALLY ACCLAIMED MODERNIST NOVELS" isn't a worthwhile argument.

[Anonymous No.3651767]

>>3651762

>clarity
>healing
>intuitive

No, seriously, wtf are you babbling about? Are you sure I shouldn't just find myself a nice trustworthy faith healer instead?

[Anonymous No.3651769]

>>3651763
Not sure what it is you think Im arguing.

Its more like "If you dont like Joyce why not go out and use your incredible talent to create something new?"

[Anonymous No.3651770]

>>3651759
No.

[Anonymous No.3651772]

>>3651767
>no argument
>I'll try to talk shit instead

You only look like a retard fumbling over three simple words.

[Anonymous No.3651777]

>>3651328
>yfw shes actually just annoyed by you and rather make you someone else's problem

[Anonymous No.3651784]

>>3651769

Your argument as I'm reading it is: "If >>3651730
can see that his therapists are ineffectual, why can't he cure his own mental problems?" Which is absurd, since knowing what DOESN'T help him is no guarantee that he knows what DOES help.

[Anonymous No.3651788]

>>3651758
psychotherapy and conitive/behavioral therapy are different things, though, and the problem is not usually something "wrong" in your brain. It might be something emotional that you find hard to address, but it's often just a set of behaviors that are perpetuating an unhealthy cycle.

Just getting someone to change when they get up and go to bed, and what they do in reaction to stress can help them quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.3651790]

>>3651767
knowing something new, like theory of evolution, or nietzche's morals, or any concept didn't change your behaviour and the way you see the world without taking any pill?

[Anonymous No.3651791]

>>3651772

The only "argument" you've provided is that having a conversation or ten with some asshole will inspire me (magically, I guess, since you haven't provided any other explanation) to change my brain into something that it currently isn't (again, I can only assume that this happens by some form of strange wizardry with which I'm unfamiliar). Basically I am alleging that psychotherapy is on a level with faith healing. I am alleging that when it shows effect, this is the result of placebo: faith that the "treatment" is actually doing something that it isn't.

[Anonymous No.3651799]

>>3651790

Sure they change the way you look at the world, but if I were depressed and reading Kierkegaard for the first time I don't think I'd be like, "holy shit, I can just take a leap of faith and stop being depressed" and then do just that. And how much more effectual is anyone who isn't Kierkegaard?

[Anonymous No.3651800]

Manic Depression and no money to afford a shrink
but Marijuana helps balance me out, I just wish they would make it legal so I dont have to hide the one thing that helps me cope with it

[Anonymous No.3651801]

>psychotherapist

[Anonymous No.3651803]

>>3651269

But OP, you aren't smart. Your brain isn't stronger than its weakest link, so your entire personality is too stupid to take care of yourself. Hate to break it down to you, buddy.

[Anonymous No.3651804]

>>3651799
he is not going to tell you anything "magical", he just help to discover something about yourself!. and as Nietzche said "self-knowledge is the most important knowledge"

[Anonymous No.3651805]

>>3651791
If you even began to pay attention to what the fuck I was saying you'd know that part of my argument was that you could do it at home.

No, psychotherapy is not faith healing. It's the process of finding out why you do a certain thing, changing your perception, and working towards the desired result, this typically involves asking yourself a series of questions on the matter and recalling past events which may have had a deal in this. We can get as complex as we want with this matter but "feelings" are definitely involved in this , trying to grind it out by pure intellect will get you nowhere, hence my use of the word intuitive. This may seem like wizard shit to you, which I can understand, but it's a very real thing many people have done and dealt with.

[Anonymous No.3651808]

>>3651784
No, but he claimed he could pick up on their patterns of behaviour. In my mind if you're capable of seeing it in others, you're capable of seeing it in yourself; you just have to shift the focus.
Not that seeing others isn't helpful.

[Anonymous No.3651811]

>>3651788

Yeah, this is a good point actually and I think there's at least something to be said for CBT's focus on straightforward modification of specific behaviors (in contrast to the "self-discovery" stoner bullshit >>3651804 >>3651805 are pushing).

[Anonymous No.3651813]

>>3651811
Did Freud and Jung smoke weed?

[Anonymous No.3651814]

>>3651811
It's funny seeing guys like you calling an age old process stoner shit, it's like you don't even read, much less have any practical knowledge on this matter.

[Anonymous No.3651817]

>>3651813

Not that I'm aware, though Freud did cocaine. But if you think Freud or Jung are appropriate authorities to cite in talking about how to solve the real problems of real people, I think you are foolish.

[Anonymous No.3651818]

>>3651343
to linear

[Anonymous No.3651819]

>>3651817
And it's a damn good joke that you think you're qualified to decide what works or not.

[Anonymous No.3651820]

>>3651811
man you are full of prejuices towards something you dont even know.

I dont blame you , the first time I looked at the plato's "theory of forms", i was like.. wtf did the oldman smoke. but now i realize is a great concept.

[Anonymous No.3651823]

>>3651791
i have to agree that psychoterapy ahs pretty much entirely been supplanted by psychiatry and the different schools of psycholgy, especailly cognitive and beahvioral therapy. Psychotherapy is really closer to a philosophy than a diagnostic and treatment plan these days anyway.

[Anonymous No.3651827]

>>3651819

You could always take it from Wampold, who I entirely agree with in his conclusion that psychotherapy's effect is basically placebo (the effect is proportional to how strongly the patient believes in the therapy and especially in the therapist).

[Anonymous No.3651851]

>>3651827
Psychotherapy is a wide field, so let's file it down a bit. You're saying that all alleged change achieved from deliberate delving into one's personal history regarding their psychological state is bullshit?

[Anonymous No.3651861]

>>3651269

>tfw I can psycho analyze myself and know exactly what my problem is but I just don't feel like changing

[Anonymous No.3651866]

Why is Freud the most famous while Jung is obviously superior?

[Anonymous No.3651868]

>>3651866
Freud talked alot about sex.
People like sex.

[Anonymous No.3651869]

>>3651851

I'm saying that when change occurs (which it does not always, since about half of everyone who ever receives psychotherapy drops out) it has a lot to do with the patient's trust of the therapist and his or her faith that the therapist's method (whatever method it may be) is helping them. By contrast, it does not have a lot to do with the actual content of the psychotherapeutic sessions, much less the actual content of any "insights" into oneself that one has received. The insights themselves are not important when compared to the impression that one has had insights. If it works for you, that's nice and all, but I still think it's a delusion that doesn't touch the underlying causes of mental problems.

[Anonymous No.3651885]

>>3651739
That's an entirely different game isn't it?

I mean when I walk into that office with the therapist I'm entering into a new game. I attempt to "beat" it and I do this by subverting my true self (if one can really be said to exist) and assume a role that is me and not me simultaneously. I give the therapist the success story, the feel good story, because to me being "cured" is beating the game.

So basically I walk in and perform brilliantly and pretend to be making progress because I know thats how you win the game I know thats how the therapist WANTS me to act.

None of this helps me get over my own problems. It's just another game that I play at in order to "win".

The reason I can't apply this same logic to combat my own problems is simply how do you "win" life, what game am I playing right now? You set up the parameters of life and by god I'll put in 110%, but what parameters can you set up for the grand game of life that aren't false?

[Anonymous No.3651890]

>>3651869
People always do things for a reason, the whole point is to uncover those reasons and undo the damage done, basically learning from it.

What do you mean the insights are not important? That's the entire point of even trying to solve the problem, you're there to learn about whats going on no matter what you think. People have all types of methods with varying degrees of success, but the simple self-questioning which can be done at home, in private, is the tried and true.

[Anonymous No.3651891]

>>3651748
And if that self-delusion persists until my death can it be said then that I was cured?

[Anonymous No.3651893]

>>3651885
maybe your game is a way to avoid something you dont want to face./

[Anonymous No.3651896]

>>3651891

Sure, but it doesn't mean I'm going to believe psychotherapy is more effective than taking pills.

[Anonymous No.3651902]

this thread makes me happy inside :)

[Anonymous No.3651920]

>>3651896
maybe when you really understand what psychoterapy is about..

till then keep believing that is about "magical words" that "magically" cure people.

[Anonymous No.3651947]

>>3651902
this thread makes me sad. People doesnt understand psychoanalysis.

how they can get Kubricks movies? or Hitchhock? or Kundera? etc...

[Anonymous No.3651964]

>tfw you teach your therapist about philosophy and she teaches you about psychology
best feel

[Anonymous No.3651985]

>tfw your chakras are all fucked up

pls help

[Anonymous No.3651994]

>>3651985
You need a colour bath. Paint the room red, and lay for a few hours every day inside a pentagram with crystals marking the tips.

[Anonymous No.3651995]

>>3651985

have you tried psychotherapy

[Anonymous No.3651999]

>>3651758
>You can go on and on about how psychoactive drugs are a poorly understood treatment and may have disastrous side-effects or whatever, but the fact remains that drugs treat a problem at its source

Let me tell you something about drugs:
Doctors may call what they are doing a cure or therapy, but their work often enough isn't about curing a disease, but getting you back into a mental/physical conditon where you are willing and able to work asap. Before you actually try to deny that, please take a look at the facts. Often enough, the medications that are prescribed to "help" people fight harmless medical conditions are more harmful in the long run than waiting out the diseases in question, while simply lying in bed and drinking tea.

Psychiatry should also distinquish between "sickness" that needs to be cured, and "stopping a person from behaving in a certain way, because it is a burden to society." Saying that the symptom of "not functioning" needs to be treated with medications, is like saying "your wife just died in a horrible accident, better take those Antidepressiva and get back to work, sucker."
Not functioning the way your teachers/ family/ employers/ society might want you to isn't a mental disease in and of itself. It is, however what gets you a visit at the Psychiatrist most of the time. If you have reason for your behavior, and if it isn't simply caused by something not working correctly inside your brain, then the only way to actually overcome it is thinking things through. Talking to someone helps with that, even if your conversation partner serves as nothing but an echo chamber for you. OP might be a pretentious little faggot, or he may simply be facing an existential crisis without having anyone on his wavelength to talk to. I wouldn't know. So, OP, my advice to you is: If there's someone you know, who you truly admire as a person, then talk to him/ her. I used to talk to my old latin teacher about these things, but he passed away last year.

[Anonymous No.3652003]

>>3651885
Maybe it isn't a game? Are there parameters? You created them, couldn't you tear them down?

I'm not saying any of these questions hold the answer, but my suspicion is all it takes is to keep asking yourself about it, and answer and observe honestly. Eventually the "solution", whatever that may be, will take form.

[Anonymous No.3652006]

>>3651995
Yes. I still can't overcome my sense of alienation, anxiety, humiliation, lack of masculinity, authority and confidence.

My therapist finally said it may be time to consider medication.

But I don't know. I watched a family member slowly kill themselves using anti-anxiety medication.

pls why does life have to be so painful all the time
pls save me

[Anonymous No.3652007]

>>3651985
oh my god
i am so so sorry

[Anonymous No.3652008]

>>3652006

That's life. I recommend suicide.

[Anonymous No.3652009]

>>3652006
>just realizing now that life sucks
read meditations, get back in tune with your natural self

[Anonymous No.3652010]

>>3652007
You pity means a lot to me.

[Anonymous No.3652014]

>>3651735
explain

[Anonymous No.3652023]

>>3652010
Honor that pity and hang onto it like grim death, because nobody can take that pity away from you. You've earned it.

[Anonymous No.3652029]

>>3652006

I don't know if this will work for you, as I've never heard anyone do this, but when I was in a similar situation you're in I started reading Alan Watts. I read almost all of his books and moved on to read some more Eastern philosophy. I didn't realize this as it was happening because the changes were gradual, but once I was done with these books my outlook on life changed almost completely and all of those feelings you're complaining about now went away. I still have them from time to time, but I'm able to function now and I'm much happier. It worked much better than any medication or discussions with therapists. I don't know -- if your desperate it might be worth trying. Hope that helps some.

[Anonymous No.3652032]

>>3651273
>>3651273
>>3651273

Bingo. The most insecure people go into sessions and treat it like a game.

I'm betting OP couldn't truly open up and be honest even if he wanted to. Which is a shame.

[Anonymous No.3652046]

>>3652029
I've already listened to many hours of Alan Watts lectures. After many months of this, I still feel like death.

Are his books more effective? Did you only notice changes when you moved on to more Eastern philosophy?

Because Alan doesn't seem to be helping. I mean, I can often see his point intellectually, but it doesn't hit me intuitively or emotionally.

I still feel like everything and everyone is wrong in some indefinable way.

[Anonymous No.3652053]

>>3652046
because you're denying your true nature

[Anonymous No.3652054]

>>3652046

>I've already listened to many hours of Alan Watts lectures. After many months of this, I still feel like death.

use a program like download helper, rip them from youtube to your ipod, and listen to them while running/lifting

do that and you feel like you're improving yourself while ACTUALLY physically improving yourself, after you're tired and feel a little bit enlightened and generally at peace for the day. it's impossible to feel depressed after a workout like that trust me

[Anonymous No.3652060]

Mine actually told me I was a genius. She was young though, so I'm assuming that she was just inexperienced.

[Anonymous No.3652061]

>>3652053
But I readily confess to being a pathetic beta.

[Anonymous No.3652063]

>>3652061
not like that ya dangus
read some stoicism

[Anonymous No.3652065]

>>3651985
i seriously hope that you don't take that seriously

[Anonymous No.3652075]

>>3652061
Well, if you're just going to give into that "nature", then have fun living out the rest of your days being the man you are now. Because what you're doing isn't anything so positive as acceptance, it's resignation. Quit being a whily little bitch and fight the power!

[Anonymous No.3652076]

>>3652046

I started out with his lectures too, and that's what piqued my interest, though I can't say I noticed any of the changes after the lectures alone. I started reading his books -- I don't remember the exact order in which I did this -- and it was after finishing The Wisdom of Insecurity then reflecting on my life, comparing it to how it had been just weeks prior, that I noticed I was starting to feel better. After that I started reading books on Zen Buddhism, starting, I think, with D.T. Suzuki. Then there's a long list of books from various authors that I read (I can list the ones I can remember if you're interested). What I can say is that reading books was more effective. I completely immersed myself in Eastern thought, not really allowing myself to regress into old thought patterns, and I think that's what really did it. It was hard to motivate myself considering how depressed I was in the beginning, but I was somehow able to force myself to read all of these books. Though it didn't take long until I didn't have to force myself; I really enjoyed reading them. The ideas did get repetitive after a while but I didn't really mind, and it was that repetition, I think, that ingrained them in my head. But, yeah, it was the total immersion that did it for me.

[Anonymous No.3652084]

>>3651999
>It is, however what gets you a visit at the Psychiatrist most of the time.
is the comma there correct?

Serious question

[Anonymous No.3652086]

>>3652084
yeah but there should be one after however too
or just one after however, either way works

[Anonymous No.3652087]

>>3652084
I hit the 2000 character limit and removed a comma at random, thinking that noone would notice.

I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.3652088]

>>3652076
>I can list the ones I can remember if you're interested

Please do.

I'll take anything I can get.

Where'd you pick up Alan's books, anyway?

[Anonymous No.3652093]

>>3652084

Yeah.

[Anonymous No.3652101]

>>3651288
Hey, you're the one visiting a therapist

You're no ubermensch

[Anonymous No.3652111]

OP here. There is some choice retardation in this thread, might delete

>>3652101
I've already given up on seeing him

[Anonymous No.3652147]

>>3652111
You can still see other therapists, go shopping until you feel comfortable with one.

[Anonymous No.3652177]

>>3652088

An uncle of mine gave me a few of them as a gift and I forgot I had them until I found those lectures online. The rest I bought online, mostly on Amazon. If you look, I'm sure you can find them all for low prices on used book websites.

You should be able to find the Watts and D.T. Suzuki books, so I'll just name off the titles of other books I read. Oh, and try to keep an open mind when reading them. There are parts I would disagree with and still do, but I made a point of not discrediting everything they had to say merely because I couldn't accept all of their words. Take what you can from these. Most of it, if taken seriously, will help.

Here are some of the books in random order: Tracing Back the Radiance; The Flight of the Garuda; Tao Te Ching; The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying; Quintessential Dzogchen; Chuang Tzu: Basic Writings; Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind; The Tao is Silent; I Am That; Freedom From the Known (Krishnamurti seem anti-intellectual, which often deters people from his work); Wen-tzu (might as well get the Complete Works of Lao Tzu); Tao of Jeet Kune Do (I'm a Bruce Lee fan); The Book of Tea; Tao: The Pathless Path; Mindfulness in Plain English; Essential Rumi (this one's not so essential for you); Contemplative Science; Essays in Idleness; Introduction to Emptiness

Those are all I can come up with right now after looking through my books and trying to recall the ones I don't own. Aside from Suzuki and Watts, I know there's more than what I listed. I'll come back if I remember them.

[Anonymous No.3652193]

>>3651269

[Anonymous No.3652213]

>>3652193
Damn my post hit you hard

Make some more

[Anonymous No.3652216]

>>3651343
>tfw to busy with existential conundrums too learn basic english

[Anonymous No.3652229]

>>3652213
only if you talk to your therapist about me

[Anonymous No.3652269]

>>3651350
nigga u autistic

[Anonymous No.3652278]

>>3651288
>His certificate said Indiana University
...

Be honest with me /lit/, should I just kill myself now? Am I going to spend the rest of my life being looked down on by even the lowest of the low (mentally ill 4chan users) because my degree isn't from a top ten school?

[Anonymous No.3652282]

>>3651326
>2012
>being this pathetic

[Anonymous No.3652297]

>>3652193
why would you bother making that image?

honestly, is this some /b/ tier level trolling or what?

[Anonymous No.3652303]

>>3652278

>being looked down on by even the lowest of the low

If you go out more you'll find that no one is as severely critical of people as us mentally-ill 4chan users. I think a lot of you NEETs are scared of people because your perception of them has been skewed by 4chan's unattainable standards. I'm ugly, quiet, and have very little to show for myself but I'm still able to get along just fine with people. Every single person you encounter will be nicer to you than 4channers.

[Anonymous No.3652307]

>>3652278
Oh god I laughed

No, I was only dismayed at his Indiana degree because I was already uncomfortable with how much he knew

Top 25 seems fine enough

>>3652282
Stay angry

[Anonymous No.3652318]

>>3652307
stay 14.

[Anonymous No.3652324]

>>3652307
You're OP right?

>going to the therapist because your mom is afraid of weed

Move out kid.

[Anonymous No.3652341]

>>3651269
>2013
>going within 100 yards of anyone who uses the prefix 'psycho' in away seriously

[Anonymous No.3652347]

>>3652324
>>3652318
The insecurity/projection is outrageous in here

[Anonymous No.3652377]

Well this thread was much better therapy than that dickhead could have provided. Thanks /lit/

[Anonymous No.3652428]

>>3652377

fuck off

[Anonymous No.3652458]

Bump

[Anonymous No.3652492]

What's the best way to go about seeking psychiatric help in the UK? I am desperately in need of it.

[Anonymous No.3652604]

[Anonymous No.3652826]

>>3651269
theres a dfw story about this.
ends with suicide.

[Anonymous No.3652844]

>>3652053
>2013
>'true nature'

[Anonymous No.3652855]

>>3652844
sartre pls go

[Anonymous No.3652868]

>>3652855
keep the telosfaith alive my little acorn

[Anonymous No.3652890]

>>3652492
see a psychiatrist

[Anonymous No.3652892]

>tfw your psychoanalyst doesn't understand your obsession with the literary life

[Anonymous No.3652896]

>tfw want to see shrink but worried Freud was full of shit

[Anonymous No.3652919]

>>3652896
>implying Freud has shit all to do with modern psychiatry

[Anonymous No.3652932]

>>3651621
also completely bullshit but why not lie to yourself to be happy